Are Data Removal Services A Scam After All?!

[@ThirtytwoJ]

Is it just me or does every single youtube sponsor get found to be a total scam?

[@VinzentB]

Being some years on the internet, I’ve learned everything is a scam.

[@Vividstar]

there has been some good sponsors i seen, there is just a lot who share trash like when NordVPN was being marketed by even people who wasn't even a tech channel were doing it. even betterhelp i think it was that was also trash.

[@ThirtytwoJ]

@@Vividstar become a scottish lord...

[@Slimothy]

Honestly there's plenty of data out there about DeleteMe not being the best option. They just have the biggest budget. YTers eat it up.

[@Slugbunny]

Most entertainers are simply charlatans when it comes to sponsors - they take the money without knowing if the product or service is any good. It's disappointing to see some favourites of mine recommend bad or nonsense products because they don't know any better - I don't believe they're being malicious, just ignorant. Buyer beware.

[@tiagotiagot]

It's absurd that you have the right to ask them to delete the data but not to punish them for getting and sharing the data without permission in the first place.

[@coolcatjk30]

You agreed when you accepted the terms you didn't read. Yes there are situations where terms are not known and clear. And yes they do try and hid it. But if you actually read the TC it tells you what they will do with your data. And will SOMETIMES contain an opt out.

[@michaellin4553]

​@@coolcatjk30It's called EULA roofieing. And we will use that term until companies can't handle the reputation of being creepy predators.

[@FeedMeSalt]

Actually no. For example i use a fork of youtube. I use a modified client with no tracking or account detials. You literally cant log in via this client. If youtube take my data i have signed nothing. And in my country it is perfectly legal to access websites via what ever method you want.

[@MarjaMariachi]

The future really sucks. I wanted a flying car, not a vacuum cleaner that spies on me!

[@Mordecrox]

@@MarjaMariachi or locked out of a car because of frontal light firmware issues

[@skaldlouiscyphre2453]

If it makes you feel better, the flying car was gonna spy on you too.

[@Mordecrox]

@@skaldlouiscyphre2453 the original deal was you give me something good and I give you data, so flying car would be half ok. Now my data belongs to them by default, forced arbitration, no flying cars, no field emission displays, no nuclear fission, no more relish on Costco hotdog. This blows.

[@aliceb6847]

Any stadium or other venue requiring facial recognition will never get my business

[@kussemeinkont]

supermarkets use facial recognition, pretty hard to avoid them, be everywhere soon

[@dakota9821]

@@kussemeinkont Security cameras are not facial recognition scanners you clown.

[@SomeBody-l5w]

We're really living in a time of hyper mass surveillance

[@1337GameDev]

5:38 - And THIS is exactly why we need transparency and convenience for consumer protections -- ALL OF THEM. Thins from: 1. Cancelling a service 2. Filing a warranty claim/refund 3. Product components, warnings and documents for repairs and parts 4. Transparency on shrinkflation/skimpflation Normal everyday consumers just don't have the time or energy to pay attention to ALL of this.

[@Somebboddyy]

💯

[@ponraul1221]

Also product ownership of digital media like video games and films. Shrinkflation is fundamentally due to actual literal inflation of the currency supply, but there are corporations certainly using this current economic environment as an excuse to raise prices.

[@kellyluvskolors2083]

THE DEFAULT FOR WEBSITES SHOULD BE "OPT OUT OF SELLING & STORING PERSONAL INFORMATION DATA" and it SHOULD BE REQUIRED BY FEDERAL & STATE LAW. and it should be a CHOICE to "opt in". NOT the other way around. With AI, data theft (i.e. NPD Breech Social Security Numbers etc.... being bogus stolen)

[@4bSix86f61]

You try to keep your data off by providing throwaway emails, online only phone to verify bot stuff, placeholder names and po boxes and last of all a privacy card. Also setup a good ad blocking system, both system and dns sided.

[@petersimmons7833]

These only check 13 sites. Some of these services track almost 200. That's a big enough difference that I'm not sure the study is statistically meaningful.

[@thestreamreader]

My question is how do these services protect your information that they are deleting? If they are so cheap and just running scripts I am sure they are a big target now to breach. $20 a yr as an example what layers of security can they really be using?

[@jimmurphy5355]

They (EasyOptOuts) keep as little info on hand as possible - only that which is neccessary to identify the person to be opted out. And of course, what EasyOptOuts asks for is no more than the info the sites already have. BTW, a totally automated process means your info is not in the hands of random low level worker-bees, possibly located in low wage countries and not under the direct control of the removal company. In my opinion, a totally automated process is much, much safer.

[@Ellifiknow]

What is the incentive for data removal services to do a thorough job in a month? Wouldn't people cancel their service after a month? I use them and it seems like they string you along forever.

[@Slugbunny]

It's a never-ending struggle with data, so I believe the services don't even need to be lazy or negligent to guarantee repeat business. Data is collected, compiled, repackaged and sold all the time.

[@deconstruct1]

The incentives are to make more money by collecting subscriptions for perpetual data removal services. Who owns the data deletion services? That’s right, they’re data brokers too. They can sell your data when they are acquired by someone else.

[@jimmurphy5355]

@@deconstruct1 EasyOptOuts is totally indendent and not associated with any data brokers.

[@shodanki3736]

The biggest differences between US and EU is GDPR of the EU. If you are in Europe you ASK for example incogni to act on your behalf based on a law. Out Side of Europe you May Not have a law that helps so they basicly Just beg for removal.

[@jimcabezola3051]

These data removal service reports are VERY interesting! I wanted to start using them...then THIS report came out. I'm glad you folks are covering this for me! Mahalo!

[@l1ghtd3m0n3]

The main thing I found odd about data removal shit was that in order to remove your personal information from a corporation…you had to give your personal information to a corporation

[@lythd]

from when i first heard of them i felt like they were either a scam or just a vulnerability, i was like great having all of my data in one place with some company ive never even heard of before, scam or not i would never trust them

[@gregf3021]

Yeah no way I would spend the time doing manually. I bet it would take a month. I'm pay for optery personally and it does a lot of sites. I have tested the results and haven't found anything on me on the sites they claimed to remove data on.

[@tiagotiagot]

How do these services work in the first place? Do they get a hash of your private data to check against the hash of what the datarobbers have, or do you have to give them your personal data and hope the datarobbers don't actually just add that additional piece of info to their database, and maybe with some time-out to keep it hidden while they're checked for deletion....

[@carly09et]

Data Removal is moot as the 'source' will ALWAYS be there to refresh the record...

[@thomasslone1964]

KZbin is like antenna tv, every thing sold on it is a scam

[@4bSix86f61]

This is the year where corner cutting and bad practices come back and bite the developers.

[@uropig]

consumer reports owns a data removal company. isn't that a conflict of interest?

[@ItzBIULD]

Yes, Dream O'Nella

[@foxronyo]

I'd be interested to know if the data removal service failed in 35% of cases, or if they succeeded in getting all brokers to delete their data, but then the brokers reacquired the personal data, so it made it look like the removal service did nothing. It's one of the reasons I've been hesitant to use a data removal service. Couldn't my data just get bought/sold again?

[@da3mons-]

i found optery to be worth the fee. removed practically everything that matched me and even a few things from other people with the same name as me. good stuff

[@bob_kazamakis]

12:40 all of this just sounds annoying. For power users, I know what software I’m running and why. I don’t want a notification for obvious stuff. Also, the change to signed software is just another friction point to punish users because Apple wants devs to pay for a yearly license.

[@skattterdude]

Would have been interesting to see the efficacy of Incogni

[@madbanana22]

imagine hoping to get your personal data removed from the internet and entering your personal information for random people to do that for you

[@apIthletIcc]

Kinda wierd that people are actually paying for data removal services. The built in removal service in the google app works well enough and its free... Never had it fail to remove, and thats over the course of about ten attempts now. Its 10 for 10..

[@mattkeith530]

I just wish I could be removed from these political databases. Ugh

[@Ram84_1]

What about services for us Australians? All the good shit, never available for us Australians, so annoying.

[@BigNad]

We do not have laws that protect your data in such a manner. Write to your local member of parliament.

[@Ram84_1]

@@BigNad Like they ever listen to us.

[@xymaryai8283]

why are these subscriptions, why would you spend multiple years of a subscription if you could just implement better opsec to reduce your data leaking? its fair enough most people can't maintain good enough opsec to keep their stuff out of these systems, but it shouldn't be a constant subscription, maybe 4, or 2 years, at a stretch once per year, yeah its a long process and getting up to date reports is an important part of the service, but its still wild it could be sipping your money in the background forever

[@17Beastmode17]

I figured they were a scam, but I was really hoping they weren't

[@HalkerVeil]

Every breach gives you 1 year of some dumb service they want to sell you. So a breach becomes a selling point to their customers. This has got to stop.

[@skattterdude]

No fix planned for sinkclose on ryzen 3000 is wild... good luck everybody

[@brettlaw4346]

We cannot get out. We cannot get out. They have taken the bridge and Second Hall. Frár and Lóni and Náli fell there (bravely while the rest retreated to Mazarbul. We still hold the passage but hope is now gone. Óin's party) went five days ago (but today only four returned.) The pool is up to the wall at West-gate. The Watcher in the Water took Óin - we cannot get out. The end comes (soon. We hear) drums, drums in the deep. They are coming...

[@TheGeoff]

Come to find that the more they advertise on YT and Insta the worse the product is

[@grejsancoprative]

Here's what I think about these services and vpn;s as well for that matter; it's a service designed for you to freely give up your information to then sell it on as a premium package.

[@JessicaFEREM]

I just straight up disabled the gatekeeper because it was so annoying.

[@2rx_bni]

I'm actually excited about the digital driver license for my state! I use my BART pass through my Apple wallet, pay for things with my phone. This is perfect for me!

[@InventorZahran]

It's fine as an option, so long as it doesn't become mandatory. My worst fear is that one day it could become impossible to participate in society without using a smartphone...

[@leonoddr4228]

What's the site called where they read the articles from? 😃

[@gulagamelee4804]

Comment for the algo, spread the gospel of privacy :) Also first time listener and enjoyed the podcast/newsshow.

[@matthewwilliams5253]

Are the people searches more of a US based thing?

[@Slugbunny]

They certainly are a thing in the US, but selling data is a fundamental part of surveillance capitalism. If you use online services, chances are your data is being sold - then it's a matter of someone making it a business to sell it in your area or country.

[@D.von.N]

@@Slugbunny And I am not bothered at all. They are trading with my data, so what? To target me with ads? I block ads wherever possible, they are wasting their money on me. I fix broken things instead of choking them and buying new. Brands mean nothing to me in principle, going with cheap plain clothes or accessories. I pay for quality where it is needed, but not because they showed it to me in the TV, or my browser -which has ads blocked. Consumerism is a plague.

[@cartanfan-youtube]

@@D.von.NI’m in the same boat of not caring about my info being used for advertising, but ngl the scary part of everyone having all this info is the risk of having your identity stolen if there’s a data breach. Even worse if you manage to be in multiple breaches from which identity thieves can use to cross compile even more information

[@D.von.N]

@@cartanfan-youtube they get the data from anywhere, including sites that must have your data, like health insurer, clinic, governmental institution. Your data most likely is already on the dark web. That you weren't targeted yet is maybe because there are billions of us.

[@fallencyano9015]

i wonder, how many of these data removal companies actually sell your data?

[@IlllIlllIlllIlll]

This is the first time I ever seen you do this format. You should do interviews like this at a fast playback and put in your commentary because it’s better when someone experienced can explain what’s being said. I think you should’ve been fine if you played the pieces you cut off as long as the playback was fast. Where can I get the original video?

[@evanthesquirrel]

I was fired from deleteme for figuring out i was working on a fools errand. Also probably for smelling bad.

[@kishankotadiya1824]

Which RSS feed app do you guys use?

[@RnVjayBZb3V0dWJl]

I use "AntennaPod". It even exists on F-Droid!

[@anon3431]

I wonder that too

[@LeonEdwinsHeart]

Thanks as always! Do you have merch? Would be cool to have stickers of yall channel's icon on my water bottle.

[@subfloor2022]

Next surveillance report: easyoptouts is selling your data lol

[@jimmurphy5355]

Cynicism is understandable - but I know the EasyOptOut founders - and they absolutely won't be selling anyone's data.

[@dakota9821]

@@jimmurphy5355 "Source: Trust me bro"

[@ObamaoZedong]

@jimmurphy5355 you know the easyoptout founders, as in they're paying you to say that? Hmm

[@jimmurphy5355]

@@ObamaoZedong No, I just legit know them. Nothing I can prove over the internet, but it is true.

[@jimmurphy5355]

@@ObamaoZedong Nope. Not getting paid. But I have known both principals since before they were even in kindergarten.

[@realmstupid-on8df]

There is zero reason tonstore your ID in your phone.

[@Mrdrdxse]

Yes they are worthless. I’ve been screaming this since 2022.

[@nullvoid3545]

WTF is AIR vending? Like in the lorax movie?

[@realmstupid-on8df]

I realized it was a scam when experian kept finding mt data "on the darknet" yeah but you wont tell me where.

[@Provocateur3]

Anybody know if Brier works in the RF?

[@kylenorris9585]

There needs to be an Ai based service the remove your data

[@-my-ssma9192]

Why channel logo of portmaster

[@hamms35]

I use Aura.

[@drak_darippa]

18:08 aka valorant anti cheat.. lol

[@kellanaldous7092]

I was interested until i learned that you both, being computer experts supposedly, are using these obvious scam services. I dont know anyone that is an experienced PC user that would even consider using one of these. I'm kind of blown away that you both were.

[@Irilia_neko]

I'm really curious to see, what data removal service really work.