Are Diffusion Filters TOO Cinematic? Black Pro Mist Alternative

[@cameraconspiracies]

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[@Metaldetectiontubeworldwide]

I have K&F adapters Fd and M42 to Ef , they are the best i ever had ! They are of solid aluminum , machine milled and i feel the love for quality !!

[@OutdoorWeekend]

Why you not talking about Samsung s21 ultra camera? I hope you do it soon…!

[@matthewmaccarthy8542]

For anyone who is interested; When Tiffen created Pro Mist Filters they created the different strengths in order to provide a consistent level of filtration across the range of focal length lenses because the filtration effect increases as the focal length of the lens becomes more telephoto. A 1/4 pro mist (black or white) will be much stronger on a 85mm lens than it will be on a 25mm lens. A common formula for using Pro Mist Filters is 1/2 Promist for 18mm and wider, the 1/4 Pro Mist for 25mm - 35mm lenses, and 1/8 for 50mm and above. This principle applies to all diffusion filters. I hope this is information is useful.

[@Indo_chef]

This was very helpful. I just bought a 1/4 k&f and have been having a bit of trouble getting it to look great. I'll play around with it in the 25-35mm range. The effect has been too strong. I think a 1/8 would be more useful to me.

[@deblashbrook3209]

Thank you, that was extremely helpful x

[@fineresolve1540]

does this apply to the final equivalent focal length, or just the stated focal length in the lens? For example, I have a 35mm 1.8oss for my a6400 which is a 52.5mm equivalent. According to this formula, which one should I get? the 1/4 or 1/8?

[@ReviewBru]

Thank you 🙏🏻

[@matthewmaccarthy8542]

@@fineresolve1540 It depends on what other focal lenses you will be using to create images that will cut together with your 35mm. But 1/4 would be a safe bet so you can go to the 1/8 for longer lenses and the 1/4 for wider. I would recommend getting all three and testing them out with all of your lenses to find a formula that works for you. But I want to avoid telling people how to shoot, my only intention was to create an awareness about what Tiffen's intention was when they created Pro Mist Filters.

[@lsamoa]

Every time I get excited about the prospect of a new piece of photo/video gear, I watch an episode of Camera Conspiracies about it, and that excitement is immediately cured.

[@ryandury]

Cameras have become so good we now have filters to make them look worse.

[@chasingvenusfilmarts]

Marketing at its finest while being at its most absurd right? As someone who loves adapting vintage glass to newer bodies- for various artistic reasons- it makes me cringe to think of how misled someone would have to be to spend hundreds if not thousands on a lens only to put a filter in front of it to ...wait for it...make it appear somewhat vintage and "cinematic" aka soft, diffused, whatever. Besides, the over-used term "cinematic look" is totally subjective to the content at hand and/or the valued aesthetics from each individual viewer., once we understand lighting, when and how to use this or that focal length and stop allowing ourselves being sucked into the latest and greatest game or TREND(s) we should then be able to produce videos with true "cinematic" appeal regardless of some quick-fix hack. I love personalities such as Kasey that don't take themselves or all of this too seriously though are no doubt passionate about challenging the norm though and having fun with what is available. (just remember people, its - as he will tell you- his JOB to experiment and review trends. You, you don't have to get sucked in. Just enjoy the show while he does it for us) :-) Peace.

[@DigitalNegative]

I was just thinking that. "Use this filter to make all your 4k bodies look like GH3 HD capture!"

[@jatsajatsa]

😂

[@DigitalNegative]

@@fredriksvard2603 Have we really gotten anywhere since 2012?

[@revokdaryl1]

@@chasingvenusfilmarts To be fair, even back in the days before digital, when 35mm filmmaking and 16mm were the norm, diffusers were used on lenses that cost tens of thousands of dollars. I believe Stanley Kubrick sometimes used diffusers, as well as many other notable directors. And this was with film. But yes, I definitely see your point about the irony of spending a ton of money on a lens to get the sharpest picture possible, and then buy a filter for it to soften the image because it appears too sharp and crisp 😂

[@meterpaffei5810]

I only need one filter for beauty mode. My lens cap.

[@dirtymusicassette]

lol

[@jared_quackenbush]

"Someone watches the news." 🤣🤣🤣 Love it. Stay strong up there in Canada buddy.

[@adhexionaudio6929]

😆😆🤘🏻

[@randytate]

LOL! Classic zinger.

[@GxAce]

Pick up one of those Glimmer Glass filters, man. Mostly effects the highlights and doesn't soften the entire image to the point of the 90's porn look.

[@sclogse1]

Tell us about that...

[@ChampagneRhubarb]

This man out here battling physics one day at a time...

[@Ragnarok.Phantom]

1/4 is way too heavy unless it’s a dream scene, consider using 1/8 - it’s what most use for normal use cases.

[@backyardparkworks]

You, Gerald undone, and Caleb Pike are the only 3 camera channels I consistently bother checking these days. Keep it up brov.

[@LS-oh8kv]

4:31 “now what you’re witnessing is two hobo youtubers, each with less confidence than the other” That’s both hilarious and mathematically hurting my brain

[@TheHallberger]

I love how my YT sub list goes, Gerald Undone, and then we have this maniac 😂

[@meetankush]

Aaaaaand, here we are again. Was planning on a BD filter, not anymore. Thanks for saving my $30.

[@davegillette2715]

When Peter McKinnon hunts you down with the canon cripple hammer… you did this to yourself

[@kalvin.]

He used the cripple hammer on his own hand he’s so committed wow

[@Kapulot]

@@kalvin. 🤣🤣

[@tankivulture148]

7:35 I, an Italian, won't get angry if it happenes to me, Canada is the wholesome country, you have to be wholesome to wholesome people

[@ilfaraone91]

7 seconds in to the video and i'm already dead laughing😂😂😂

[@GabrielDimude]

This man always makes me laugh while watching his reviews! hahaha

[@blackestknights]

Nice review of the product, coincidentally i got an ad from K&F Concepts Spain, I couldn't find that filter on there I also looked for an IR cut filter (I already have one from them so knew it existed) I also couldn't find it. I then went on trustpilot (i was actually looking for where they ship from) and started reading reviews. OK more often than not these reviews are written by unhappy customers but even so.... I have bought K&F products in the past and will continue to do so, they are certainly good enough for my needs but I will continue to buy via Amazon and not risk dealing with K&F customer service. Seems a small individual customer doesn't matter to them but Amazon does.

[@DJ.1001]

The video out of my RP / RF24-105 f4 was unusably sharp without a 1/8 black pro mist

[@Pentax67]

Buy 5-10$ Uv filter , spray black paint = done. Cheapest way. And you can regulate the amount by spraying . Moreover you can remove it with 99.9% isopropyl alcohol and change the strength of softness by re-applying more or less paint

[@eliotopian]

omg, I just now stumbled onto this one, and I was gasping for air laughing at beauty mode!

[@shanjayaweera3036]

best opening to any video ever

[@david.stachon]

Very interesting. They need those type of filters on GoPros and DJI stuff. Yeah, that auto ISO on the A7siii is a no-no unfortunately. To get rid of the noise, you have to be setting the correct ISOs based on what picture profile you're shooting.

[@Austintatious]

Hey when is the R5C coming out? I want to know the exact date AND TIME! How much will it cost TO THE CENT!?

[@Austintatious]

Also filters ARE cool however why not just turn down the contrast.. then if you do want it 1/4 more contrasty edit in post?

[@renzorco]

this felt like an out of body experience

[@Metaldetectiontubeworldwide]

Do i see Chromatic aberation , at the side of the screen ?! I noticed it , also without the filter , lamp indoors at the left side ;) So it has to be the lens 🤔..?

[@ozwrangler.c]

BPM 1/4 with the Fuj … the indoor beauty is yours 😍

[@BoostLeekdMedia]

Will a company make a VHS filter now? with the random lines and chromatic aberration???

[@Zekester-uc8rw]

I sensed a Canadian production for some reason, LOL, enjoyed your video. The LCBO confirmed my suspicions. Awesome production!

[@joeal-ca]

Laughed soo hard when you stacked them "hard" at 6:27.

[@fencing1goat]

I dont get it.. people complain about not having a sharp lens, they finally find one and place a filter which softens an image. Kinda like people who complain about lens vignetting but add vignette in photoshop.

[@meterpaffei5810]

Word

[@fotografoti]

Newbies are more into the gear, than the art. The only filter thats practical is a protective one. Everything else is a gimmick. In most cases, you can get the results of a filter by familiarizing yourself with camera settings, or later in post.

[@audioupgrades]

It seems contradictory but the answer is control. If you have a sharp lens with no vignetting you can control how the image looks. That said, I don't like filters and only use them when I need to protect the front element of the lens.

[@chasingvenusfilmarts]

​@@fotografoti Exactly, marketing at its finest while being at its most absurd right? As someone who loves adapting vintage glass to newer bodies- for various artistic reasons- it makes me cringe to think of how misled someone would have to be to spend hundreds if not thousands on a lens only to put a filter in front of it to ...wait for it...make it appear somewhat vintage and "cinematic" aka soft, diffused, whatever. Besides, the over-used term "cinematic look" is totally subjective to the content at hand and/or the valued aesthetics from each individual viewer., once we understand lighting, when and how to use this or that focal length and stop allowing ourselves being sucked into the latest and greatest game or TREND(s) we should then be able to produce videos with true "cinematic" appeal regardless of some quick-fix hack. I love personalities such as Kasey that don't take themselves or all of this too seriously though are no doubt passionate about challenging the norm though and having fun with what is available. (just remember people, its - as he will tell you- his JOB to experiment and review trends. You, you don't have to get sucked in. Just enjoy the show while he does it for us) :-) Peace.

[@ezustnyar]

​@@fotografoti What about polarizing or ND filters? I have not seen many landscape photographers without at least one of them. Diffusion filters also have their right place to be used mainly for videos or in low light environment with artificial lights. For sure you don't need them all the time for every genres. These are just tools to be used for the right occasion.

[@wlacalle]

Great information and entertaining 👏👏👏👏

[@MotMovie]

After watching 400 videos of camera conspiracies there is a finally a video that contains at least some useful information. I knew it was all for a reason. I will now watch 400 more wishing it will occur again!

[@Jennifer-wr9si]

I'm just starting to look into these filters but having watched many videos it seems like they are best used in harsher/higher contrast lighting situations and are not well suited to cloudy/neutral lighting. Basically you're just diffusing already diffuse light...

[@Soul_Visuals_Photography]

Fuji looks good. Damn.

[@williamcurwen7428]

You got it right on this one. Actually, setting up diffusion filters and making good use of them is quite a difficult thing to do. And for what they are, incredibly expensive. Glad you found humour in this toneh intense 80’s debacle.

[@jumbi555]

Great video as always! What camera do you use for your professional work?

[@MatthewDouglas805]

I feel like the Tiffen has better color neutrality, with the K&F leaning toward red/magenta. But for the price difference it could be a good option for beginners.

[@fotografoti]

Im waiting for a few popular KZbinrs to make foreground Toneh the new trend. Then watch fools compare how incredibly sharp their background is compared to the foreground. watch.. this will happen. Background Blur?? thats so 2020

[@mannietravels]

A great video to make would be the differences (if any) when placing diffuser to the lens followed by nd/vnd and vice versa

[@trym2121]

Compare with DIY BPM, just need dirt cheap uv filter + $1 matte black spray can

[@DiscoverThailand]

If you want to get a softer look, just get samyang 18mm for vlogging, as you complained that it is not as crisp as the other lenses 😅 But in the end those are too sharp for you, so that you need an filter to make them softer and look like the samyang lens as well 😉

[@cameraconspiracies]

No, there's a difference between soft and cheap.

[@james_gemma]

@@cameraconspiracies that's what she said

[@caerphoto]

To what extent could the effect of these filters be reproduced in post-production?

[@lannncan]

Hi Andy, I remember seeing a discussion on Brandon Li's tiffen review. This other content creator went into detail and even made a video. I enjoyed seeing the discussion unfold. I have found it again to share with you. I edited her text and took her explanation. Eugenia Loli Eugenia Loli 11 months ago Finally, to get a film look (an actual 35mm film look, and now what people think as "cinematic" and "film look" these days), you need to work on the acutance of film, not so much on the colors (that everyone is so focusing on). Digital sensors create a positive film look (like Velvia), and to get the movie look you need the negative look. For that, shoot without any such filters (except an ND or an IR/UV CUT), and then on Resolve fix the colors as you would do normally, and then you will find plugins like: lens blur (set it to anamorphic blur at 1.25), gaussian blur (one dimension only), sharpen edges, contrast pop (0.050), and soften and sharpen (0.500, 0.250, 0) and finally anamorphic 35mm grain. With these plugins you will get the edge off the digital look and you will be getting the so called "thick details" that film/ARRI have (rather than razor thin details of Sony digital sensors). Film has thick details, as if it has lines around objects, rather than seeing every little detail. Keep your footage soft, shoot with vintage lenses if you must. In terms of texture, that's what separates digital vs film: acutance. How details are portrayed, basically. With the plugins mentioned above, footage can now pass for film, very similar in look to Uncut Gems, which was shot on 35mm film. No need for promist or other useless filters. It's a matter of texture processing in post to emulate film's characteristics, not something that a filter can do before light hits the sensor. Because no matter what, the sensor will always opt for the thin details look (positive film look).

[@fredriksvard2603]

@@lannncan good tips, but you can't truly replicate diffusion filters in post, amd hence people still use them, nd:s and polarizers

[@dennisbadger]

Too funny!!! K&F filters are the best and Kasey takes the cake.

[@SudarshanAshiya]

k&f is sharper

[@FreddyMadera]

10:09 What is the song that you always use to cross the street in such a majestic way?

[@cameraconspiracies]

vegetablepolice.bandcamp.com/track/benevolent-beast

[@mattcarlson12]

The laugh at 6:30 😂😂 classic Stern

[@makevoid]

the mist filters will probably blur the lights in the background and stuff but they certainly won't blur the light we have in our (hobo youtuber) hearts :D

[@NatesEscape]

The only youtuber I have to watch alone cause if someone heard some of this they'd be like "wtf are you watching?" 😂

[@InvertedHermit]

You should give Kase magnetic filters a try. I bought them mainly for landscape (loser) photography but they've been super useful for video as well. They just snap on and off as and when you need them. Not a perfect solution, but definitely worth a try to compare the pros and cons.

[@jpcreativeimagery]

dude, you paid as much for those as a friggin tack sharp prime lens, are you serious?

[@cfordnathan]

I like that Panda!!

[@dondouglas]

For Tobias and friends: What terrifies me is that thank you for posting a comment on the internet, anyone can do it without having any qualifications or criteria. You can send that storyline to Kubrick (wherever he is) to Polanski or to the director of photography at Peaky Blinders. They will explain how resources are used in film and photography according to what you want to express.

[@agostonberko]

try SLR Magic image enhancer lens.

[@WilliamIdsardi]

Can we do a filter comparison on squirrel footage?

[@Pharesm]

what sunlight?? And what is with the heavy red overdose?? Did they trick you and slip you a RED MIST filter instead?

[@cyberau2023]

Prefer the K&F

[@battitude1753]

It's remarkable how quick that squirrel was able to train you to throw the nut right where she wanted it. LOL

[@BobAsbury]

Just put the lens cap on. Maximum diffusion.

[@jonathanwise84]

Loved the opening 😄

[@MFusys]

Have you try it in bright sunny day?

[@BOOT]

Is there a filter that'll make my VIXIA seem like it's a ZV1???

[@kaislate]

Scrape off the X, the I, and the A and paste on a Z in front.

[@BOOT]

@@kaislate LOL might have to, the ZV1 went up $50

[@dunnymonster]

It would be easier to just call these filters 8K to "the 480P look" filters ☺️

[@JourneyThroughNature]

How about calling it 82480 filter to make it more marketing friendly.

[@dpc4548]

Those filters are for people who don't know how to control their light or those who want their footage to look like the holodeck.

[@Squidpaws-]

@Camera Conspiracies apparently you can use a uv filter and apply a very small layer of Vaseline to have the same effect as the mist filters. I've also seen someone spraying hairspray/gel and then catching the fine mist with the uv filter... Something like that lol... You should try it.

[@paulgthompson]

I love your channel. Entertaining and informative, and some real LOL moments. As a "thank you," I just bought a Camera Conspiracies t-shirt. I encourage everyone who gets a laugh and some knowledge here, to do the same!

[@ValleySubRailfan4643]

I bought one too. I love you Kasey. 😘🤘😻

[@MrDox90]

You are not far from the dirt on lens, actually you were pretty much on point! I got a dirt cheap lens, that had badly cracked coating, don't ask how. The cracks were so deep you could feel them with nails scratching. So I actually sanded the front element, yeah I know how that sounds. But I didn't care. Then polished it to my best ability. It was sharper in the end, it was unusable before! I considered it a slight win. But removing that coating had the resulting effect of slightly removing contrast and hazing the image. So pretty much the same effect this filter does, I hated it though. I always bumped contrast and dehaze heavily to compensate. Oh and interestingly enough, probably slightly messed up the focal point, as there was literally no difference in sharpness when stopping down. So if you want this effect just polish the front element, or buy a crap fully transparent filter and polish that. Same effect for 5 bucks or so. That said everybody to their own, I hate it. It's just haze. You literally just lose detail, from the cheap glass in front of the expensive lens element. You can do in post lol. You can never recover detail in post though. There is a haze option in photoshop that does literally the same, don't know about premiere or other video editing software I don't use them. You can lift shadows too to lower contrast, that's why cameras have so high dynamic ranges today. Editing was never easier, many look up tables do similar things with added color alterations. If you want out of camera footage, then yeah, but how easy editing is nowdays with a click you can have a default preset you like import footage and a simple click and be done.

[@itay.rabinovich]

Listen Dude you're one of the funniest if not the 🤣

[@cdreyes81]

I use cinebloom 10% for both my viltrox for fuji. I Never take them off.

[@bradl2636]

Nice one. ND filters are great for bleeding off aperture to soften up backgrounds particularly with wide/normal focal lengths.

[@ninelaivz4334]

I don't understand this these filters just make it look out of focus and hazy. What am I missing?

[@KenToney]

To me (I am the almighty) the outside video looks much darker than usual.

[@Igorgoat]

How did you know I was eating pork and drinking coffee? It must be the mist-ical powers of the filter.

[@adriannowak485]

Well I had one once but returned it. The effect is nice but they are way too expensive. I found out that you can craft them yourself fairly easily. Get two used slim uv filters. Put one of them on the heater for a week or so until it has collected some dust. Then screw the other filter on top of the dusty filter so the dust cant be wiped away. Screw the stacked filter onto the lens. Done. I even glued both filters together so its more or less a single filter. Creates the same effect for cheap.

[@stingforever]

6:30 when 5 liters of juice hit in the same time and the toilet is kinda far away 🤣🤣

[@jaywalker9788]

i just use a plastic baggie over the lens. cheaper and it works OK. keep on keepin' on dude.

[@SovietLensReviews]

Impressively bad noise performance in this one actually, never ran into that with my Z6

[@KPGuitarStudios]

Man, this 4k footage looks pretty sad. Seems like Sony tends to fall apart, the Fuji did look better but still, looking at this on a 4k TV, it doesn't really look that sharp. KZbin compression issues perhaps? I've had to confirm like 3 times that it's playing back at 2160p on YT. Weird man. Go Olympus :P

[@cameraconspiracies]

It's 1080p...

[@KPGuitarStudios]

@@cameraconspiracies Upsampled in post? I was able to select 2160p

[@gsus3918]

Add 4 of the filters for "dank and smokey bar" look.

[@DodiAzmi]

This is brilliant, it’s hilarious!

[@azizulzulzaha]

Agent smith from the matrix going insane.

[@flyingkok]

couldn't concentrate on the reviews cause the jokes r too on point

[@michaeljkeeney]

"Someone watches the news." 😂🤣

[@Nathan.Willan]

Very humorous guy

[@zezem]

Did you say "beard"?

[@makevoid]

Ok you like aperture priority a lot so I won't ask you to change that setting but... I was looking forward to see a test with the K&F Variable ND + K&F 1/4 at around 1/50 shutter speed (e.g. 1/25 to 1/60) and at an acceptable ISO (800 or 1600 max for example) - great content btw ;)

[@TorErikHaugen]

My god, there are so many people writing things here,I'm stressed. V'been using the sony A6000 now for 245 years, or so. Might have a street foto of Mozart somwhere, without consent, but can't find it right now. Wich camera should I buy next? Thanx in advance for making my life. #streetphotography not creepphotography.

[@TorErikHaugen]

...or wich video would you prefere i posted this question?

[@TorErikHaugen]

thanx in advance

[@audioupgrades]

Yay, a slomo crossing! The mist filters don't do it for me. If you use LED lighting, that can be harsh. Using a softbox or diffusion cloth may actually give you a smoother skin look than these filters. The new one actually boosted the redness, which seems counter-productive.

[@Pharesm]

It all depends on the type of hair spray you use...

[@bestcameralens]

Use your smeary fingerprints on the lens and save your money :)

[@keensoundguy6637]

Better yet, smear petroleum jelly (e.g. Vaseline) on the lens.

[@DixonLu]

?he point of these filters. Paying a month's rent to get a sharp lens, a month's utilities for the filter to make it less sharp? For studio work, couldn't a cheap but nice prime lens from the 80's/90's do the same? Old timers would stretch a thin panty hose over their "overly" sharp lens back then.

[@Finite-Tuning]

Aww man, you've got a nice red shirt but no red background light.... Bummer 😔 Cheers man 🍻.

[@jp2503]

Glimmerglass 1 >>>>> Black Pro Mist, you're welcome everyone.

[@JDFloyd]

"...he saves mosquitos...for snacks."

[@_Sisyphus]

I use varying layers of plastic food wrap. Same, same.

[@JET-Photo]

Slow news day, huh?

[@drewnoirfilmz]

At one point you looked Markus from Markuspix because the background almost looked artificial. 😂

[@nodders5478]

6:25 that laugh is funny

[@MicrophonicFool]

I thought buddy would be angry and Greek in your area of town

[@cowboy6591]

At 10:29 Yikes!! That Vinyetting is torrid.

[@goinggiddy]

buy an UV filter and apply matte clear spray paint... viola