Are Downhill Bikes Pointless? | Enduro Vs DH

[@ondrejjanoska660]

I love my DH....but to be honest is better to have both.

[@LawrenceMacMacster]

You can have only a trail or enduro and not being limited to parks, with a DH bike you won't have a ton of options but it's the most entertaining option for most people who are considering owning a DH bike anyways

[@daniasavei1675]

If you have to chose one ? Because I don’t have money for both. I want to know what is more fun not necessarily for racing but something fun and maneuverable

[@Jonathan-s7u5u]

@@daniasavei1675 it all depends on where you would use it...if you have a downhill bike park near you with chairlift then get it...if not get an enduro.... when i got my bike i didnt even know the difference i just wanted one with a lot of travel and i bought the enduro....i have electric which is nice.....the probably best option is an eletric downhill but thats prob really expensive and heavy and if you dont live by really steep trails it doesnt make much of a differnce in that aspect....sure you could send jumps to flat and get away with it but if ur peddling with a non electric downhill its gonna be a workout.....my advise is find a demo day at a bike park and test a bunch of bikes out...youll probably pick the downhill because its the most forgiving and like this guy said he doesnt even push his bike to the limit its that good.

[@skippylegrandgourou2069]

I have 2 DH and 2 Enduro in Canada and France, bought a brand new Norco Sight that cracked after 2 days in Whistler. meanwhile i have 200 + bikepark days on my 2015 Scott Gambler

[@karvavarba2700]

Rule of thumb... More bikes = better life.

[@fraanzfan8158]

CONTROVERSIAL: DH Bikes with a dropper post and a 12s cassette are great

[@limzhonghan3316]

The DHT(Downhill-Trail) bike for the win and breaking the cycle of DH bikes that can’t climb and the trail bike can’t go fast on the DH trails

[@limzhonghan3316]

No, the hybrid of the 2 cats, meaning front of it including slack is downhill while the back including dropper post, is trail bike

[@fraanzfan8158]

@JamesGoddard-i7s because it makes lots of fun riding it

[@LawrenceMacMacster]

That's how my aurum is set up, 1x11 speed but you get the point

[@LawrenceMacMacster]

​@JamesGoddard-i7s as a former western Canadian I can assure you the freeriding spirit isn't dead, people converting DH bikes into pedalers is as old as whistler bike park 😂

[@JeffMTBinVA]

I love you guys and I appreciate the videos. I was really looking forward to this but I was hoping for more, like switching off bikes and comparing impressions from each.

[@gmbn]

Thanks for the feedback! We wanted to add to this one but Rich is out for a few weeks on paternity 👶 We'll do better 👍

[@Coolcmsc]

@@gmbnCongrats and Very best wishes to the family 😊

[@ZEEPOW77]

If hitting a bike park with super gnarly, steep trails and an uplift a DH bike will provail. But for where most of us ride and how we ride a mid travel Enduro bike is more than enough and is far more practical.

[@jotathompson3647]

I'm 42 6ft 8 104kg the DH bike is required for many reasons. Started doing downhill and free riding in my early teens when it was hardtails with 80-100mm suspension (that did my knees. played rugby in my 20s (there goes the shoulders) and have been a builder/carpenter for 25yrs (rest of my body has now left the chat) so basically need that 200mm travel for the many injuries I've had over the years. And can still ride 8+hrs with my son on gnarly decents to the degree me and him are currently preparing ourselves for crankworx Rotorua 2025

[@blakebradshaw8208]

Watching this as someone who’s rode downhill on 100mm XC hardtail bike as a novice rider. The enduro bike sounds perfect!

[@natepittenger7084]

I have a Pivot Phoenix 29 and I think it’s literally the most perfect DH bike ever for bike park riding. I get a dozen or so days a year at resorts like Vail, Snowmass, and Trestle, and though I know that my enduro-ish bike is fully capable of riding those trails, there is absolutely nothing like a proper DH bike. I actually ride the DH bike more over the summer than I do my trail bike. Obviously a trail/enduro bike is far more versatile, but if you are doing lift-assisted riding often, a DH bike is absolutely the ticket. And I fully believe that learning the kind of stuff you can smash through on the DH bike translates to more confidence on the trail bike too.

[@darrinkulyk9560]

Same next weekend will be my 13X at Whistler This Season .... I have a Good Enduro Bike But I Prefer Running my CF Demo8 it's ALOT Better and Inspiring at Going DH my CF Warden Is A 7.5 /10 and My CF Demo8 Is 10/10 😎

[@trailpimp6369]

DH bikes are a must if you live in a ski town and ride the lift all summer or even shuttling

[@NB-ri8mw]

Best, most honest review by a pro rider! Some of the best content out there!

[@kame83]

I've been dreaming of a dh bike since I first saw a dh fully as a kid in the 90s. Living in a sort of montaneous area with lots of trails but no lifts or shuttles whatsoever, and having turned 41 without ever turning from a very mid rider to a shredding daredevil, I've come to terms with the fact that Enduros or even solid trail bikes will probably be more than I will ever need. Settled for a Giant reign eventually 😊

[@martynashtonGMBN]

Thanks

[@gmbn]

Cheers Martyn 🔥

[@Danny2009ie]

I totally agree. You need both if you can afford it. The Downhill for Downhill specific tracks.

[@danhopkins778]

The coolest one? The one I have in my garage. I would be happy with either! Beats falling downhill for sure.

[@ashleynicholls9526]

Jesus. A GMBN video without an E-Bike 🙌

[@growlith6969]

Aww, and I was going to make a comment about how we all need a purpose built E-DH.

[@MTNMAX88]

DH looks cooler, hands down

[@Norway-BOY-MTB-Mountainbike]

NO Bike be " Pointless ", Just how you ride it !! Right !!??

[@did4h2k]

i kinda disagree: while i love my 2 cruisers/lowriders they are - besides from looking cool - pretty pointless ;)

[@Norway-BOY-MTB-Mountainbike]

@@did4h2k 😅😅🤙🤙✌✌

[@Chops00]

There is nothing like a DH bike

[@thomasnussbaumer1556]

I second that motion

[@Vokunos]

i think Downhill bikes are the best bikes... well for people that actually can use them to their full potential. lets be real most of us dont have the riding skill that requires much more than an decent trailbike. Downhill bikes are made for going downhill fast and everything else besides that is an absolute chore on those so why would yall ride downhill bikes if you cant even ride an trailbike to its full potential.

[@johnssmith4005]

A DH bike in the hands of an average rider can end up with some really bad crashes

[@KarstRats]

For those who only ride park. And dont ever see climbing in their futures downhill bikes can add a level of strength needed to gain confidence. My buddy prigressed so much faster when he got a dh bike vs a trail bike. He was timmid about the narrow stanchions and stuff.

[@growlith6969]

DH are the hyper-cars of the bike world. At about 6:23 you can see the difference in the suspension stacking with each hit, DH has plenty to spare, enduro is outa travel. While most people can't take a DH or a hyper-car to all of their limits, usually there's a quality or two that anyone can use most of.

[@AK-ContentCreatIon]

Cool video as always! Thanks! I would never have the courage and or technical skills to need to ride a DH bike, pretty sure, the enduro that I ride is also be "to good" for me and my skills, too capable. Even on the gnarliest track I have the courage to ride.. And since I can only afford one, AND have not all the time in the world, I'm reaaly happy. The reserves one has with a DH I will propably never need. I ride a NOX 7.1 Hybrid Enduro eMTB with 180/180, Fox 38, DHx Coil.... Stay safe and keep on riding

[@shadowform1264]

That Canyon is just beautiful....

[@lsebsheff]

I've been riding my Banshee legend recently, it's been sitting in my shed for 5 years, I don't plan on leaving it so long again, it was awesome on the rocks at bpw last week

[@growlith6969]

I mean, big hit enduro is 180mm, average DH is 200. You "can" ride park on either or less, but man if you are whooping and the suspension is stacking with each hit, you want to kiss that damn DH bike for saving your ass. I bought my first DH used in a parking lot, nothing about it felt right, it was like wearing clown shoes. The seat, the cranks, the memory foam soft suspension, everything was wonky as hell......until I got it to the mountain, and then all the geo and design came together with perfection. There is nothing like a machine made for a single specific purpose, and then using it for exactly that.

[@williamthompson4568]

I just bought a DH bike and found myself riding my enduro bike at the park and feeling fine. I think you need to have a DH bike that has a well functioning fork for it to be fun

[@rip.tear.]

I have a Capra Core 5 and a Cube Two15 as my park bike where the tracks are gnarly enough for it. A lot of "DH" bike park trails have corners which are too tight for a DH bike so you end up being significantly slower.

[@gmbn]

Nice! Sounds like you've figured out what works well for you 😁

[@Chaoshero5567]

the orbeo in this video is kinda ugly... but Enduros can also look super cool

[@SousaSHJ]

The Canyon is just amazing 🤩

[@1000750]

What about putting DH forks on a big enduro rig?

[@nomadcarpenter8549]

The question for me is, which is more rewarding to ride? I've got to say my enduro mega factory 290 170/162mm travel bike is an absolute joy to ride. i feel the need for nothing more 99% of the time. It makes all tracks more engaging than on a dh bike. The only reason i can think I'd want a dh bike is if i wanted to hit massive obstacles or go faster for the same reward but with more chance of damaging myself if i crash. Honestly, i dont think i want any of those things in my life. But yes, Dh bikes look sick, and i occasionally miss my morewood makulu or my mondraker summum, but they were mostly just protecting my ego.

[@endurancegoliath4569]

tbh, in my country a DH bike would idd be pointless and a waste of money. I live in The Netherlands and except for the province Limburg, the country is flat as a pancake. And even in Limburg a DH bike would be overkill. Highest point in our country is just 322,4 meters above sealvl and is called Vaalserberg. Berg = Dutch for mountain, but lets face it; it's a hill. But in a country with many mountains and thus DH trails, a DH bike would be a nice addition.

[@boogiedownbronx73]

yes i agree in the netherlands not even an enduro bike makes much sense....trail or xc o e-mtb

[@endurancegoliath4569]

@@boogiedownbronx73 exactly

[@Paganiproductions84]

The Netherlands is a xc or down country mtb the best

[@CaveaD]

It's cry country because I've got the wrong hobby for my location. Cries in Spectral

[@augmented2nd666]

I have so many trail networks with high elevations near me, but often no shuttling access, no friends to shuttle anyways cause community is super weird like that, and bike parks seem like a pretty big expense in general so if I ever do go to say Whistler which is across the water from me, one small ferry ride, I'd just rent a DH bike to ride there, although my local shop said my Trek Slash Enduro would do 90% or more of the trails at Whistler, just maybe not at the same speeds. Unless you live close enough to a bike park with lifts or cheap shuttling, there really isnt much point in owning your own DH bike, not when you can just rent one for that day and but own an Enduro or trail bike for your regular trails. Sure my local Mountain trails would probably be more fun on a DH bike but getting it up there would be a very long walk, some of the grades of the fire roads are over 25% which is really, really steep, sometimes I still have to walk some of it as not to burn out my legs, which is a horrible feeling when you finally do reach a summit and need your legs to function for downhill.

[@dltalex207]

Had a sender once but replaced it with a torque. There’s nothing like the sender it blasts down the hill you don’t need to do anything. With the torque there is more to do and it’s way more playful. I’d choose the torque anytime bc I’m not the fast as possible type of rider.

[@schwambo6679]

I feel offended. Downhill Bikes are the best.! Look way cooler than any other bike cause it looks like motorcycle. Cause of the fork. The fat tires and the steep frame. ❤ more love for Downhill ❤

[@rickywoods3101]

Most dh bikes are not steel, most street bikes are nit steel and i dint think anyone makes a steel framed dirtbike anymore.(Other than Maybe some trail bikes)

[@nagykoppany1849]

@@rickywoods3101 Read it again

[@schwambo6679]

@@rickywoods3101 ehm brother. My bike is aluminium. It ways the same as the bike shown in the vid. 17 kg. It's a category 5 frame. I can jump Hardline if I could. And your little sissy road bike is legit the last thing that's gonna last a long time if you crash. And you gonna crash, if u never crashed, u did not ride your bike properly

[@rickywoods3101]

@@schwambo6679 Hugh lol? What bike do you have? And why would you assume I'm going to take a road bike on dh trails ? When I ride dh, I ride my DH bike or enduro bike

[@schwambo6679]

@@rickywoods3101 i mean a crash. Not riding dh with a roadie. Bro read it right.

[@Adwardok81]

The winning formula is a big trail/light enduro bike (140/150mm) and a DH bike. Small, fun but capable bike with the big rig when you go in bike parks.

[@darrinkulyk9560]

I Have a 170/160 CF Warden and a 200/200 CF Demo8 😎 Have Rode Whistler 13X This Season And Zero North Shore Riding ..... 😁

[@JoshuaDomoslai]

I’ve been pricing downhill bikes since in Southern California we have at least 5 ski resorts that open in the summer to use the ski lift and has miles of downhill and park riding. A lot of name brand bikes like YT, Scott have 200mm suspension bikes with quality specs that can be purchased for $3,000 -/+ usd price range which is cheap. If you plan on taking a shuttle and ride this type of stuff I feel like there’s no reason not to get a DH bike even if it’s overkill for your skill. Might as well have the maximum best suspension as possible to make it as plush and smooth like a dirt bike as possible 👍

[@altic_yt2029]

I learnd to measure reach in this video and it's 1,140mm on my hardtail xc bike😅

[@KarstRats]

Maybe wheel base lol. Not reach.

[@BigChrisD1965]

I’m with the enduro bike here, I’ve got an enduro e-bike, only riding local trails, not being able to get to trail/ down hill parks. Simply no need for a down hill bike.

[@_burd]

The correct answer for seatube angle on the DH bike is, "You sit down?"

[@ctunaj5]

I have a TR 11. It's slow, but so fun and forgiving!!!

[@karlxu782]

If I have unlimited budget and spaces, I would buy a AM or aggressive trail bike for local trails and a DH bike for bike parks. But since I don't, I choice the enduro bike. I also tried installing a dual crown fork on my enduro bike, that just felt terrible on North shore janky and tight switch back climbs. And honestly, for my riding skill and intensity, I don't even feel that much improvement at Whistler. I guess if you are not intentionally hitting hard and pushing yourself to the limited, you don't really need upgrade your bike by stepping up to DH bikes. At least, the DH bike should be picked by going faster and hitting harder than you already are, other than use the travel to make up your lack of skills and confidence, which will lead to bigger crash.

[@ChampyOnPC]

Audio was not the greatest in this one. Had fun watching the concept tho🤘

[@TheLoamMountaineer]

A Santa Cruz Megatower solved this dilemma for me 👍👍🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@darrinkulyk9560]

I Have A CF Warden 170/160 Fully Coiled and A CF Demo8 200/200 TI Coiled Live In Vancouver 😎 Since I Bought My Demo8 Last Oct . I Haven't Rode My Warden . I have been to Whistler 13Xs With The Demo8 😎 So There ya Go ......

[@smv9338]

I've ridden Dyfi on my DH bike & on my 150 mm trail / enduro bike. DH way better at Dyfi. Also DH bike gives you more confidence to try scary features. Uplift venue gotta be the DH bike, otherwise enduro unless you enjoy pushing up.

[@danharvey3096]

I'm on a second hand kinda budget, & at this stage i can only afford 2 bikes, a road or now a gravel bike, & a MTB. I found when looking at second hand bikes for around the $2500 NZD & below price range, that i could get a better Downhill bike than an Enduro bike for the same price. Enduro bikes hold their money better, so for the same price you can get a better Downhill bike as far as components & condition goes.. So ive got a 2016 YT Tues that was custom painted ($2100 NZD on marketplace) & then ive spent about $1000 NZD on upgrades/parts replacements. It's not the newest bike, but for an equivalent bike & components id be looking at $6000 NZD new easy.. I should really have an enduro, since i kinda ride my Downhill like an enduro in a way, & despite being only 30 mins away from a lift access bikepark ive never paid for a lift, i make my way up to the top via shuttling, on the public bus up half of the hill, or just even ride/walk it up the 400m hill, which is mission but i can do it. Then i drop into the park for free. If i had bought an enduro for the same price ($2100 NZD) it likely wouldve needed way more fixed, or maybe even had cracks in the frame). To get an enduro with the same specs my Downhill is now i woulda spent $4000 NZD all up, not $3000 NZD. $1000 NZD difference is a big deal on a budget.. So i have a Downhill that i kinda ride like an enduro, & ive found a 32 tooth chainring makes climbing actually dooable, plus the YT Tues suspension design pedals surprisingly well.. So my reason for a Downhill vs Enduro was down to budget/components.. For getting some of that exploration that i cant do on my DH, thats what ive got my Gravel Bike for, which to be honest i kinda ride more anyway, & i think that would be the same even if i had an Enduro. Both Downhill & Enduro bikes are fun, people buy either or both for different reasons. As far as versatility goes, if thats what your judgement criteria is, rather than how well it rides a particular terain, then as far as analog bikes go, a gravel bike is by far the most versatile. But i never think of my gravel bike when im riding my DH bike on a Downhill trail over steep technical terain.. So its different bikes for different reasons, for different moods & different purposes.. No particular bike is "pointless", just suited for a different purpose & a different objective..

[@RalphBrooker-gn9iv]

Do La Paz Challenge on an enduro!!! Can’t see it. The only advantage would be in the long pedal sections.

[@brycesphone9317]

What about a mix of the two? Propain spindrift

[@ltrtg13]

Where I live in the West Midlands. There are some decent hills to ride down. Just not really doable with a dh bike. As there is no uplift. So a dh bike is overkill for me. In fact my Rallon is overkill for me. I just have hit features as hard on it as I would on a dh bike. to get the most out of it as I can.

[@jeffriargon1822]

if what talas tech from fox comes back, you can adjust fork travel on your enduro bike, toggle between 180mm to 140mm of travel, it will be one do it all bike

[@nigelrandtoul8646]

If I only rode uplift bike parks I'd only have a DH bike, but I don't so I have an enduro, but I'd consider a DH as a 2nd bike just for the special days at dyfi, BPW, revs etc. Even at 62yrs old......

[@junka1975]

I think it was just a great excuse for Rich and Neil to whip over some cool jumps on their favourite bikes and let's face it, aside from budget and where you can ride it, downhill bikes will always have the title of King of the downhill and be the dream bike for any hard core rider.

[@pc-dc4gm]

There's nothing like throwing a huge whip on a triple-crown

[@MTB.OG_95]

Enduro bikes are good for enduro riding, and are reasonably useful for DH. and only slightly more capable than a trail bike. But no enduro bike can match a dedicated DH bike. Enduros have at most a very flexy 7 in. fork compared to a stiffer fork with 8 - 9 - or more inches. And a 6 or 7 inch rear travel, compared to as much as 11 inches on a DH bike. Plus the strength of a DH bike is greater than any enduro bike. 37 lbs. isn't heavy at all considering the capabilities of a DH bike. Finally if you have a DH bike , you most likely don't plan on doing much pedaling with it...............

[@ExplosiveNotes]

"Are Downhill Bikes Pointless?" that's offensively stupid question. I'm not interested in getting one as I'm mentaly more trials rider than speed demon, BUT for fawk sakes they are the the best for their designated discipline as other types of bikes are for theirs.

[@boogiedownbronx73]

I love the look of DH bikes...they are even cheaper than a good enduro bike....especially YT !!! but where I live there is almost not much usage for a DH bike...better a e-mtb or good enduro

[@epaquette06]

#AskGMBNTech I have a Revel Rail 29 and want to convert it for DH use. Could I increase rear travel by changing the shock stroke and compensate for clearance with a 27.5” rear wheel? I’d also add a DH fork to raise the bottom bracket. I know the head angle (~62°) would void the warranty, but at 130lbs (60kg), I’m not too worried.

[@bobojo8591]

Greetings Forgive me for asking but Neil says around the 4 minute mark, that Specialised is the biggest bike maker in the world which l think is incorrect and misleading. l believe that honour goes to Giant and Merida respectively. lf l am not mistaken Merida does own about 49% or 50% of Specialsied or at least according to what l have read. l think GMBN as a leading voice in this space should be as accurate as possible with regard to information because that affects your credibility. l could and may probably be wrong but can you support your claims? I am just going off a documentary l watched recently about Taiwan's biking industries and some old pieces l read some years ago. For me as these guys also do contract manufacturing, Giant and Merida, for other famous brands l find it hard to believe Specialised is bigger than them. Anyway it would be interesting to hear GMBN's reply to this.

[@neildonoghueMTB]

Yes that's true, my mistake

[@troymortimer3487]

you just cant beat dual crowns for comfort. nothing compares especially when your exhausted. even if you only shuttle once a year a second hand DH bike is worth the investment.

[@luiscasillas9853]

I just saw.thos video earlier today of another youtuber reviewing enduro vs downhill and he took a enduro bike and replaced the suspemsioms front and rear to downhill specs amd it works better than both and the only place where he had little difficulty was with the climbing.

[@tSobota]

I'm a beginner MTB rider. I have a trail/enduro bike. When would be the correct time to buy DH? What are the limits/features I would like to cross that DH would enable me to do so? I thought about XC but going down is too much fun. I live in Switzerland so I have plenty of places with lifts up the mountains.

[@rickywoods3101]

A good modern enduro bike can do basically everythinga DH bike can. The dh bike will just be alittle more comfortable doing so and alittle faster as well.

[@tehgearz]

@@tSobota do you live close to a bike park?

[@max-eb9vi]

I smashed my back wheel yesterday on my 170mm enduro bike due to hammering it sown rock gardens and now it finally feels like its time to get a dh bike😂

[@tSobota]

@tehgearz not so close - in Zürich area so mostly Antena and Höcler and nice little Bülach bike Park near me. None with lifts though

[@tehgearz]

@@tSobota def get an enduro then

[@WorkLessRideMore]

I love riding my dh bike. Glad to have both.

[@RubRen_23]

Wow from Philippines with love..

[@defiets9332]

What is wrong with the Fox 38? Compare it to the Boxxer and you understand what I see. The Fox is driving in the whole travel and forget tot recover.

[@WasntMeMTB]

E-bikes with 200mm travel are the future!

[@midshralp6095]

I have a enduro bike and the DH bike is way better for high speed and smooths out the trail so you can go way faster. going from 170mm of travel to a stiff 200mm dh fork its night and day.

[@Kubbec]

What are the Jackets boys wear in this video?

[@andresrodriguezperez8597]

I have an impractical Supreme V4 and I literally don't care about pushing it uphill when I have to 😂

[@Jimmyrush89]

DH bike + Ebike is the ultimate combo

[@lukasvrana6388]

Yes! I ended by ebike + DH as well :D

[@greylynnjr]

Heck yea. Trail everywhere

[@evan5167]

Brandon Semenuk answered this question a few years ago ago

[@krazyjey]

To be honest my 160 mm bike is as good as my 12 years old DH. I just don t use the lifts anymore or plan my summer holidays around them.

[@TheSarcasticEngineer]

The DH does look cooler. The enduro is a set of kitchen knives. The DH is a meat cleaver. You could do a lot of the same jobs but when you need it, a meat cleaver is the right tool for the job.

[@juki1x]

Dh only for dh, unless you have so much money that you can buy both, then it makes sense. Otherwise Enduro can do either so there is your answer, Enduro is the best. But I feel the sport is geared towards people with a lot of money. So go get both!

[@drumandbassob0007]

why do bike a geo spec mentioning head angle and reach but leave out Chainstay , Chainstay makes such a big differance many bikes have got longer in reach but fail to get longer Chainstays and you get a unbalanced ride with having longer reach but short Chainstays

[@lindsaymcpherson4744]

Dhill looks cooler and is faster but you really need both and a wild hardtail and a djumper and a moto

[@LawrenceMacMacster]

I don't get Neil's view of things in the sense that if I'm going for a DH track on a trail bike or enduro I never open it up 100% since I'm afraid the thing will disintegrate, on a DH bike I can open up and smash knowing it's solid and travel will eat boulders the size of a human head 😂

[@DizRidesMtb]

Il neva admit to my dh bike bein Pointless . I jst need some Dh friends I am 49 tho 😂😂😂😂

[@akosyjonathan]

How tall the rider of orbea

[@did4h2k]

triple crown forks just look better - however i dont think that for my riding style i need anything above 160 travel.....

[@johnssmith4005]

Check out Formula Belva its a dual crown Enduro fork that way you can have the best of both worlds

[@ivarwideman3805]

I would say Downduro best of both worlds the travel and burlines of a dh bike but also the practically of a enduro

[@chillmtb]

If you could only have 1, get the Enduro. That being said, I love my dh bike

[@LoVE.B.]

11:05 is spot on, the *DH* bikes just look bad a**

[@justinhoskins3888]

My DH is definitely # 1 even though i ride my enduro 85 % of the time. 🎉

[@yungQi]

s Mountain Biking pointless?

[@francisyockey8225]

Enduro bikes are just downhill bikes for people who select normal at the difficulty select screen.

[@nomadcarpenter8549]

Whereas dh is the easy option?

[@japanunfound]

To be clear, I'm going off topic here and not trolling at all. I'm a duffer. Middle aged and just trying to enjoy a hobby. These trails look really easy though and I can't see why you'd ride such enormous suspension on them as an amatuer. I think the challenge is in how to use your elbows and knees to negotiate the bumps. I ride full sus trail bike but my friends ride hard tail on stuff twice as hard as this, Ultra gnarly stuff that I have to dismount regularly. They tell me they would never ride big sus though coz they'd lose their skills.

[@EdFormer]

You ride stuff twice as gnarly as Dyfi Racetrack and your friends do it on hardtails... rightttt 🙄

[@japanunfound]

If you think I’m bragging that’s up to you. I’m not. I’m not a great MTBer at all and I’m taking these trails really carefully because they’re too high level for me. But yes, they ride hard tails. It blows my mind what one particular guy can do. No dropper either. You are welcome to come and ride. I’d show you around and you can judge for yourself

[@EdFormer]

@@japanunfound Dyfi Racetrack is one of the most popular tracks with World Cup DH riders for training, and they ride it on full 200mm DH bikes and still have gnarly crashes. Dyfi in general is considered one of the gnarliest bike parks in the world. If you are only going off the footage shown in this video, then fair enough, as it does not do the place justice. But you are not riding trails twice as gnarly as this, and your mates are definitely not riding them on hardtails, unless you want to claim that you are all better than most World Cup DH riders - something I would definitely call bragging.

[@japanunfound]

Of course I’m judging it on what I see here. I live in Japan, as is obvious. I’m just engaging in conversation based on what I see. I told you I’m no pro. I’m a middle aged duffer. You’d still be welcome though and might be shocked by the wild and untrodden trails we find and ride.

[@EdFormer]

@@japanunfound Well it's unlikely that an MTBer in the comments section of a GMBN video hasn't seen other footage of Dyfi, regardless of where in the world you are from, a lot of which will show just how gnarly it is. Chances are, you've seen plenty and just haven't made the connection. It's the home of the Atherton's and many of the biggest names now live in the area specifically for the bike park, with Red Bull Hardline taking place in the same valley. Not disputing that Japan doesn't have some gnarly trails. I'm certain it does and would love to visit if I could ever afford to. Just taking issue with the idea that Dyfi trails, especially the double black diamond that is Racetrack, are "really easy" and can be done on a hardtail. GMBN actually have a video of Neil trying to ride Slab Track at Dyfi on a hardtail and having to skip some features.

[@Andy-xd7ng]

I thought DH had dropper posts.... WOW please reply if you think some DH bikes have droppers....

[@fud1376]

Love my Enduro Hardtail,Rgley BluePigRace with 160mm Lyrik Ultimates...Its my 'everything' bike..Ha!

[@viperdemonz-jenkins]

would take a long travel trial bike over a DH any day, even better a good enduro.

[@alpenjodel24]

Propain Spindrift making both obsolete

[@ro...valverde1622]

Downhill bikes are great for going down as long as you have someone or something to take you back up again 😅

[@ollimustonen]

Stiff fatbike for the win! 😅😂

[@petrokemikal]

Modern Enduro bikes are more capable downhill than 90 percnt of the riders out there including me.. I have a dh bike but honestly wish it was an enduro.. Id get far better use out of it..

[@SergejGrabun]

You could have swapped bikes, just so Rich rides it an hour or so to then say what he thinks about it :) Video missed a few opportunities for us to watch longer :)

[@davesmith4804]

Enduro all day long, the DH is Ugley looking

[@Markozzy]

Downhill for downhill simple enduro great downhill is for that element of that sport

[@Philoniousmonk]

DH is the coolest of the bikes...least practical...but the raddest.

[@ibh2022]

Does a GMBN video exist where Neil doesn't mention he used to be a pro DH racer? 😂

[@qarhsi]

Great video but music is really loud and distracting. Hope you guys can do away with the music

[@adrian_veidt]

This question again?

[@benlukkie]

Best bike is the bike you have