Are Ev's cheaper than gas vehicles to refuel?

0:00 Intro
2:08 DC fast charging
6:37 The results

[@mowcowbell]

My daughter used to live in Honolulu. Her electric rate was .32 per kWh! With the cost of natural gas going down so much, OG&E has reduced our rates a bit. Mine is averaging around .11 to .13 per kWh. I charge my Model Y with the Tesla Mobile Connector using a NEMA 6-20 plug which maxes at 16amps at 237v. Public charging rates are insanely expensive.

[@LarsDennert]

California is also in the .32 per kwh just because they can...

[@SkaBob]

I have found Yes, ours is always cheaper than gas. We charge at home 95% of the time and like yours it only costs a few dollars. When we fast charge the cost is about the same as driving a 25-30mpg car depending on the cost of that charger. A car like the Ioniq 5 (320HP AWD) would likely get around 20-22mpg so paying to fast charge is still less expensive than buying gas. On a recent trip to Reno many of the hotels and casinos had free chargers, no one ever offers free gas. Then when we charge at home it's more like you would need to get 120-130mpg for the price to start to come close. And just the convenience of home charging and normally never needing to stop for gas/charging the car is always full and ready to go. We use to buy gas twice a week in our subaru and even at 5-10 minutes per stop that was still an hour per month buying gas.

[@Lynyrd_Evnyrd]

Glad to see you finally have a working DCFC! It’s expensive for sure but at least you now have a quick charge option.

[@Crazypostman]

Yes such a relief! Something I don't really need... unless I do!

[@professionalelectronics3158]

I remember looking a while back at Chargepoint for L2 charging and i calculated out that filling the Tesla m3 100% (220mi) was almost as expensive as filling my gas car (with 360+mi range). Definitely not cheaper (per mile) if you live in an apartment or condo.

[@bigdougscommentary5719]

So you started the test route at 90% and 100 miles cost you 45% of your charge. 90-44=46%. Terrible efficiency if that’s the case. You left out the total useable size of your battery in kWh. However, if 38.8 kWh is 45% of your battery, your battery must hold around 85 kWh

[@dianewallace6064]

Thanks for the facts and data. Great video. Your infotainment screen looks just like my screen. LOL. (Shout out to Jiselle, my Ioniq6.) My husband calculated we spend $.12 a kw for home charging and let's say $0.50 average a kw for DC charging. So, I would say a road trip in an EV costs the same as a road trip in an ICE car. However, commuting miles (AC charging) are much cheaper in an EV than an ICE car. When I go to Cars and Coffees, I get asked these ?s all the time. I am honest. I say commute locally in an EV and road trip in an ICE car. If you can't afford 2 cars, maybe wait, unless you are young. The young folks (I'm talking High School, College) are loving my Ioniq 6 at Cars and Coffee to the chagrin of their parents. And this was before the Hyundai Electric Lineup totally "rad" commercial.

[@prwilson101]

Here in the UK it's similar. We have specific EV electricity tariffs - so overnight, say from 12pm to 4am you electricity would be 7p per kWh (around 25p per kWh for the rest of the day) - so 100 miles in an Ionic 5 Long Range would be just over £1, whereas rapid chargers (up to 350kw) are around 80p per kWh - so ~£12 for 100 miles. Petrol (gas) is around £1.50 per litre (£5.68 per gallon) which equates to around £17 for £100 miles at 30mpg. Hybrids are popular though, which do around 50mpg - £11.35 for 100 miles.

[@Crazypostman]

Oof 5.68 a gallon! That would cause riots here.

[@prwilson101]

@@Crazypostman Over 50% of that is tax.

[@Crazypostman]

@@prwilson101 I just googled because I didn't know... Our federal gasoline tax is 18.4 cents per gallon and the state I live in has a 19 cent per gallon tax

[@ntsecrets]

In Massachusetts I’m definitely paying less for charging. Figure a car that gets 22 mpg at $3.50 a gal = $.159 per mile. A Tesla model 3 getting 4 miles / kwh (usually get better) at a supercharger is $.38/kwh so $.095. And that’s rather worse case. At home I pay about $.23 kwh with solar getting it down to $.057.

[@Reddylion]

Dc fast charging when in hurry cross country, ot ac charging is good. Hindusthan south.

[@bigdougscommentary5719]

And for any ICE vehicle trolls out there jumping on the time it took to charge, the charge rate was 60 kWh max not the 250 kWh max of a Tesla at Tesla Superchargers.

[@thenetworkarchitectchannel]

DCFC is about double gas prices I am seeing. You can make a plan to stop at chargers that cost less and make it about the same as gas, but the idea of saving money on gas by buying an EV if you live in an apartment just isn't the case. For me, I actually do not mind. I do not nicle and dime my way through life like that. I am an EV enthusiast for the sole reason of their insane dependability. I love that they just break down WAY less. So for me that is what sold me on them. The charging thing is just ancillary. I enjoyed watching the video. Thanks for sharing.

[@ntsecrets]

In Massachusetts I’m not seeing that at all. Figure a car that gets 22 mpg at $3.50 a gal = $.159 per mile. A Tesla model 3 getting 4 miles / kwh (usually get better) at a supercharger is $.38/kwh so $.095. And that’s rather worse case. At home I pay about $.23 kwh with solar getting it down to $.057.

[@JohnMcAfee-se9ms]

Your apartment doesn't even let you trickle charge? Crazy

[@RobotMowerTricks]

So Tesla's free super charging to the OG owners... was an amazing deal.

[@Crazypostman]

Yeah, if you took lots of road trips certainly. But to replace home charging as cheap as mine is to recharge my car it's not worth my time even if it was free just sit it is charger for 45 minutes or an hour. Btw I have free charging with the ioniq-5 that I hardly ever use.

[@Hitstirrer]

This is just maths. And the difference in price between the home, public and petrol costs. Here it's 7c against 55c - so each kWh costs 48c difference. That's 40 kWh @ 7c = $2.80 at home. And 40 kWh @ 55c = $22.00 at a public charger. No need to drive at all. The petrol equivalent was done on paper to prove the point. Just needs a home calculator. And it's then easy to conclude that an EV at home costs 1/5th that of gas and 1/10th that of public charging. No driving involved.

[@bigdougscommentary5719]

WHY would you charge to 90% when your “test” run is only 100 miles? Waste of time. My time is much more valuable than that.

[@SSPsGoku1]

Your home charging costs are ridiculously low. The average in the US is 0.16kWH and you're looking at 0.06. That's not just cheap that's insanely cheap. On the other hand your DC fast charging rate is almost twice what I am averaging on my car. Just as an example in my latest charge I charged 39kWh @ 0.22kWh for 8.58 which that rate is below my average which is 0.30kWh but my highest cost was 0.42kWh. My car averages 240Wh per mile, making an expected consumption of 24KW for 100 miles or between $5.28 to $10.08. Also I'm a tad concerned about your consumption. If you are traveling 100 miles in that car you should be using closer to 28KW as the car is rated for 288Wh/mi. I am well aware driving an EV can have significant variables but I would assume your test would have consistent driving to try to minimize any fluctuation from driving conditions. Even at your very expensive and unusually slow charging session that would be $15.40 for 100 miles. With this in mind DC fast charging is on par with gas cars if not slightly better cost wise. Also there was an error in your 30MPG calculation. Based on the 3.59 average in your image to drive 100 miles at 30MPG it would take 3.33 gallons of gas and 11.95 in fuel costs. It's worth noting that the EV charging industry is not regulated like the fuel industry. There are bad actors taking advantage of this and leading to wildly different costs. There are networks I would never use for this reason. Chargepoint for example will regularly charge the same rates for L2 charging as fast charging, when they are paying a low cost for equipment and sometimes even getting low cost commercial electricity rates.

[@sHuRuLuNi]

If it's not cheaper than gas, then what's the whole point of the damn things. That would have been the only reason to buy one (that and the fact that these asshats are forcing us to go "electric").

[@Crazypostman]

Here's something to consider though, You will mainly do all your charging at home only using DC fast charging when necessary for long trips. Normally you would just plug in every night At home. I agree personally do not like government mandates.

[@sHuRuLuNi]

@@Crazypostman 1KWh costs 40 Euro cents where I live ...

[@DerekDavis213]

@@sHuRuLuNi 32 Euros to charge an 80 kwh battery? Too expensive.

[@djnor1979]

@@DerekDavis213 Gas prices all around europe areas well expensive ...

[@bigdougscommentary5719]

Big flaw in your conclusions. The VAST majority of annual miles, about 95%, are local miles. DC Fast Charging is mostly used on road trips. Yes, on a road trip it can be more expensive, BUT for the other 95% of annual miles, you are paying astronomically high prices for a gas car. This video is an example of SELECTIVE methodology. I’m not saying this was your intent, just the result of the comparison.

[@CDKladis]

Tesla supper charger is cheaper

[@Crazypostman]

The nearest supercharger to me is $0.47 per kilowatt hour so not much cheaper. It would still be more expensive than the gasoline car to drive on a trip.

[@unclerichard6729]

Comment deleted?????

[@Crazypostman]

I didn't do it, must have been KZbin. I can see the first couple lines of it in my notifications You were talking about all the subsidies that oil companies receive and this is true electric gets a lot of subsidies too, But not near the amount oil companies receive.

[@unclerichard6729]

@@Crazypostman I was just looking at vids about why KZbin deletes so many comments. It may have been because there was a link to the website that tracks those subsidies. I'll try again without the link.

[@unclerichard6729]

Nope, deleted again. I can only contribute it to all the money youtube makes from oil companies. Have to keep a tight censor on post so people never learn just how much more they pay to drive gas cars.

[@unclerichard6729]

Tried a third time, deleted a third time. It's not deleting my replies, I'll try posting here. Oil companies were given 7 TRILLION DOLLARS in subsidies in 2022 and that number climbs every year. This is why so many pro EV groups will say that if EVs received the same amount of subsidies batteries would be free and you would get paid to charge them. One fact that people overlook, and always argue over, is that gas cars use much, much more electricity that EVs do. To fill an ice car you have to drill for oil, pump it up, transport it to a refinery, refine the oil which is extremely energy consuming, transport the gas to storage tanks, pump it into trucks or trains, transport it to the final destination, then pump it into cars. Every step in this process either uses electricity or uses fuel which used electricity previously. An EV you simply plug in and charge. Ice cars use much, much more energy than EVs and we do pay for it, dearly, with our tax dollars. There is no redeeming value with ice cars any more, they all need to go away.

[@dianewallace6064]

@@unclerichard6729 Yes, links will get deleted for sure. Sometime, the names of YT channels get deleted. Other social media platform names get deleted.

[@DerekDavis213]

EVs are cheaper to charge, but gas is *much* faster and more convenient. 5 minutes to fill the tank, gas stations are everywhere. Road trips can be a hassle with Tesla.

[@Crazypostman]

It'll get there, within 10 years I bet we'll be charging in 5 minutes.

[@DerekDavis213]

@@Crazypostman Maybe so, but not with the millions of Tesla vehicles on the road today. People will have to buy new cars. And the old vehicles will drop in value like a rock.

[@richardshultz6834]

Well that took a real rockett scientist.

[@Crazypostman]

Thanks! No bodies ever complimented me before on my smarts before!.... Wait a second... Now I'm suspicious 🤔

[@davidlloyd1526]

Just get solar panels. How dumb is this?

[@bigdougscommentary5719]

So you started the test route at 90% and 100 miles cost you 45% of your charge. 90-44=46%. Terrible efficiency if that’s the case. You left out the total useable size of your battery in kWh. However, if 38.8 kWh is 45% of your battery, your battery must hold around 85 kWh.