Are Final Fantasy V's Mediocre Jobs Worse Than the Worst Jobs?

[@vastzero]

7:10 - Stranger of Paradise really caught me off guard. When it was first announced I really hated what I was seeing... then the memes started coming, and my curiosity started to grow. I picked it up on sale and was really surprised not only by how much I liked the game, but by how "Final Fantasy" it actually felt, compared to more recent mainline titles. I'm going to disagree about the DLC, though. While the Trials of the Dragon King can be monotonous (though Summoner is a neat class), after that things ramp up in the rogue-lite Rift with access to accessories that just give you the effect of a class' 400% affinity, as well gaining the Blue Mage class and more item tweaking options. Finally, Different Future breaks things wide open with the gear you can get from Lufenian difficulty which really lets you create plenty of fun and interesting builds, as well as having a very interesting and heartfelt conclusion to the story. The DLC also gives you access to Gunner and Pilgrim classes early on. While Pilgrim isn't my cup of tea, Gunner saved my bacon MANY times. The funniest thing about Stranger of Paradise, to me, is that apparently Nomura and the rest of the devs were completely baffled by the memes and reception of the game, because they intended it to be taken 100% seriously, while a good chunk of the game is some of the best unintentional comedy I've seen.

[@Suprapika]

Yeah I only recommended the game to my friends because I was like "I heard the game was fun, and it's multiplayer, let's try it" and was totally surprised at how awesome it is. On the DLC though, I agree that a lot of the gameplay-related stuff is fun, and the Rift DLC is definitely my favorite part about it, but the new bosses are so insanely hard that it drained all of our enjoyment from the rest of the game. The mecha-dragon-thing, the Emperor, Omega, it was just way too much for us. Also yes, the fact that the devs didn't understand why their trailers were meme-able is still funny in its own way.

[@porygonlover322]

i think Exdeath is like that in dissidia because he's kind of supposed to feel like playing an ff5 boss. very passive and reactive but devastating when it can pull something off

[@porygonlover322]

i get what they were going for with bartz but they needed to just like, give him worse versions of every other move in the game so you could fully customize his moveset like how ff5 endgame works

[@Suprapika]

@ That would be WAY more fitting, although a lot more work for the devs. But still, it revolves around the Mime too much for my liking, I'd rather he have a wide variety of unique stuff.

[@porygonlover322]

@ i think the idea is that rather than just being a bunch of things from ff5, its about the spirit of ff5 - mix and matching a bunch of tools to create your own build. but they didnt have nearly enough moves to really make that work (though i think he does have the largest attack list in the game?)

[@Suprapika]

@ Yeah fair enough there, when you think about it like that, that does make sense.

[@BlitzkriegOmega]

@@porygonlover322 Bartz is such a paradox. He's the best character in original Dissidia that isn't Exdeath, but the absolute worst of the worst in 012. What Bartz really needs is a build-a-combo system like what prishe has, but for his Mimic-moves. just a bunch of pieces of attacks with low CP costs that click together for highly unpredictable combos.

[@calregretsthis]

The way the bravely series handles red mage is interesting, giving them a bunch of really good abillities (mostly ones that let you generate bp) that make it very worth going through. That does mean you kinda just get the abilities and then use them on other jobs instead, but it at least has longer viability as a main job than a lot of it's other appearances due to it's decent utility and the general mechanics of bd

[@bradlyhaskell9821]

the other way the luxendark games of bravely balanced red mage was to give them level 4 or 6-7 black white. if red mage got that in 5 then the get break, drain, bio, shell, blink, reflect aka red is Utility the spell list.

[@danceswithchihuahuas]

In that game red mage is best used as a BP battery by spamcasting Poison, so red mage is still a red headed stepchild in Braveley.

[@bradlyhaskell9821]

@@danceswithchihuahuas a BP battery with a side order of utility is a good place to be.

[@EverfreeFire]

Having rolled Monk/Ranger in a Fiesta a few years back, yeah, Rapid Fire Monk is strong as heck. Granted, having Time Mage/Chemist helped, but even then it's strong. I will say, PR definitely helps buff Monk, with Focus/Kick no longer being row dependent and weapons actually effecting Kick on Monk.

[@Suprapika]

Rapidfire Monk is pretty effective, but takes a really long time in SNES and GBA. I get tired of seeing those 8 long-ass animations every time.

[@OneTrueBark]

One of the ideas I've had for a balance change for this game is being able to swap out your first ability for another one from the same class. E.g. letting Monk replace Kick with Focus. It would definitely help a lot of melee classes.

[@Suprapika]

That'd be cool, a very unique way of balancing. I know there's a mod (Custom Classes, I think?) that lets every job be like Freelancer, which is a little overkill if you ask me, so I like this idea way more.

[@LogeenthLive]

The comment at 0:59 definitely has a good point with Dragoon. All it genuinely has going for it is Dragon Lance, and even that requires a lot of time investment since they're only rare steals. On top of that, you NEED to run Dual Wield on it for it to even be viable just so Jump can keep up with other classes who don't need as much investment, and even then you NEED Dragon Lance because Holy Lance falls off incredibly hard when compared to Excalibur or Masamune in terms of raw damage and support utility

[@gurvmlk]

I've always kind of hated how imbalanced some of the legendary weapons are. Especially since by about the time you've gotten them all, a standard run is likely to be seeing the entire party switched to Freelancers anyway. So despite having these 12 weapons at your disposal, most endgame parties are likely to only ever be using the same handful of those weapons. Making the time spent to get certain ones of them feel like a waste of time every time. Like, I've beaten this game several times. Yet there are probably a few of the legendary weapons that I've never even used, because they just don't seem worth bothering when there are such stronger options that I probably chose first when delivering the tablets.

[@caulder3499]

21:21 You talked about Ike from an outsider's perspective so I might as well spiel. Ike is weird, in Fe9 the game where he is the main lord he's hardly this unique special lord you describe, he's basically the standard weak lord who's got very generalist growths and enough speed to double like most lords surrounded by units who are a better investment of resources than he is, FE9 just has some traits to it that heavy encourage play patterns where you give Ike a bunch of favoritism and then by the time of the end game he's this super strong beast of a man that you perceive as amazing despite the fact it took giving constant favoritism throughout the game to reach that point. The fact the final boss can be damage by 3 units your army max one of which you recruit after already killing the final bosses first phase doesn't help either... Ike's a very mediocre, not bad mind you just mediocre (like the job's your using) unit in a game that gives you both the tools and the incentives to turn him into an amazing unit and you will because the plot mandates you'll suffer if you don't be bias in his favor. In FE10 he plays just as you'd expect smash bros Ike to be, he's a hulking bruiser of a guy with speed problems after his many steroid injections in FE9, which is weird because his Smash appearance started as being based on his FE9 appearance where he wasn't a hulking bruiser in the slightest.

[@leargamma4912]

Yup. In 10nhe is really solid. But 9 he just.... isn't good. You're better off just steamrolling with titania and using the op furry units you get at the end

[@voltron77]

Nah, he’s pretty good. He’s not the best, but he’s good.

[@caulder3499]

@@voltron77 He's really not, he falls below every single mounted unit who isn't Elincia, most Laguz, most mages and like a 3rd of other foot locked units. He's in the bottom 3rd of cast viability and he's not even the best in the terrible subcategory of foot locked sword locked units, he's a mediocre unit propped up by the game he's from being one of the easist and having the largest incentives of any lord to receive massive favoritism.

[@voltron77]

@ No, he doesn’t fall off because Path of Radiance is all about being efficient at killing stuff and Ike is efficient at killing stuff. He has great growth rates and becomes op once he gets the Ragnell, he’s basically your boss killer.

[@caulder3499]

@@voltron77 If we're getting into any talk about efficiently killing stuff Ike is literally the exact opposite and he's never reaching the boss while it's still alive you've got mounted units including Titania, Oscar and Marcia who can counter at 2 range to do that for you, Ragnell's also basically a joke you get during the victory lap that only exists for 2 maps and a cut scene battle that gives you the better unit for running away from it which also saves turns. The more efficient you're playing the more Ike turns into Roy, him being a foot locked sword locked unit who can't promote till chapter 17 is terrible in a game where the main gameplay loop can roughly be described as throw a promoted mounted unit with Canto Plus who can one round the entire enemy army at them and win for 80% of the game.

[@michaelmills8205]

I think a video going over balance patch ideas could be quite interesting. My suggestions: 1) Bug Fixes. 2) Increase availability & choices for neglected weapon types. 3) I would also make it easier to see when your opponents have been inflicted with status conditions by placing little icons at the top of their sprites. This will make using debuff skills much easier and feel more rewarding. 4) I think Knight is in a good place and wouldn't suggest any changes 5) For Monks, I would introduce a weapon type for them, probably fists or nunchucks to allow them to be more competitive in the late game. Kick should be a learnable skill, and I would introduce a "Equip Fists" skill that worked the normal way for them. I'd also move the +X% HP skills. Monk would keep the +30%, but the +20% would be moved to Beserker and the +10% to the Dragoon. Learning these skills would increase the total over percentage increase provided by a single +X% HP skill, so you don't need to allocated more than 1 skill slot to them to get the full benefit. 6) For the Thief, I would change it so that their MUG! skill would replace their Attack command once it is learned. The bug fix for knife damage should help with their damage output. 7) For Black Mage, the only change I would make is change the +X% MP skills to work the same way as I changed the +X% HP. 8) White Mages are also in generally a good place, but I would also let them equip Hammers as a reference to FF1. 9) Blue Mage's Scan! would replace the Check! command when learned. 10) For Red Mages I would let them learn a 4th level of magic, and Dualcast would replace their Red Magic Command when learned. 11) Time Mages wouldn't require any changes. 12) Summoners wouldn't require any changes. 13) I would make a massive change to Berserkers. Instead of always been under the Berserk condition, they would have a (learnable) skill called "Rage!" which would inflict the Berserk condition on them, and cure any status conditions they are afflicted with. I feel this will make them a much more interesting class to play. I would also give them the +20% HP skill, as mentioned above. 14) Mystic Knight is in a good place. 15) Mime doesn't require any changes. 16) Beastmasters are surprisingly good, but I would change their Calm! command a little bit. It would apply the stop status to most enemies (as it is suppose to), but it will also attempt to apply the Confuse status as well with a chance based on your character's level/100. 17) Geomancers would gain the ability to equip rods and have an "equip bells" skill. 18) Ninjas are in a good place. 19) Rangers are in a good place. 20) Bards need a lot of help. The damage formula for harps needs to be changed, and I would also give them the ability to equip bells as well. If possible, I would want to introduce more songs to provide them different options as well, but keep it focused on applying buffs and debuffs. Maybe introduce a song to playing each piano to allow them to apply protection, shell, float to the party? I think there is a lot of things that can be done with the Bard. 21) Dragoon is another job in need of a re-balance. First, I would let them equip all weapons usable in the back row, including rods & staves. This would open up a lot of different options for them and I want to give them a bit of a unique role as the master of the back row. Second, I would change jump so it deals double damage with most weapons, and 4 times the normal damage with spears. 22) I don't really think we can "fix" the Dancer without taking away from it's core identity. I would have it so that each piece of dancer equipment swaps out a different dance for sword dance, making it be always used if you are wearing the entire set. I would also change the flirt command to have a chance to apply the berserk status, allowing it to be used to counter mage-like enemies while making it distinct from the Beastmaster's Calm. 23) Samurai are in a good place. 24) Chemist is in a good place. 25) I am not sure what to do with the GBA only jobs, as I have never actually played with them. 26) Ideally, this would also be a bit of a randomizer, allow you to change up which jobs show up in each crystal. I would also make sure that the increased availability of weapon types would allow early used of specific weapon types to get access to them in the early game. 27) I am sure that there would be tweaks to individual class stats, but I would want to do those after playtesting the above.

[@RoninCatholic]

The GBA only jobs...Necromancer is basically just "Summoner Plus" from what it looks like. Cannoneer could just have shops that sell its ammo available earlier if we were going to make it available any earlier as a job. Gladiator is a straightforward melee class designed for late/postgame adventures and to no shock at all, is solid the way it is.

[@MusicoftheDamned]

Without touching stats or changing any of its abilities, one could probably buff Dancer in a significant way simply by making Swords Dance always be full damage even from the back row. That helps get around Dancer's stupidly squishy HP a lot without having to actually change said HP. Other than that, for Dancer you could probably just make some of the Dancer-only equipment come earlier and/or more frequently. Shrug. Good list of changes otherwise.

[@mindlessmeat4055]

Ff4 had monk weapons, ff6 also had monk weapons (Sabin) but the middle child got ignored.

[@Suprapika]

Wack. I'm sure they were considered during development, but we'll never know what really went down.

[@Meshric]

I feel they didn't give monks weapons to better help set the apart, maybe apply homage to FF1 Monks (Though in that game they are more of the opposite, getting way better the later in the game you get.)

[@Suprapika]

@@Meshric Maybe, but don't the Black Belts at least get like, the nunchucks or something? I've never played FF1 so I don't know how they work exactly.

[@MoogleMoxie]

Yup, Nunchuks are their early game weapons, you'll only use them till like Lv15 or so, when their barehanded attack gets better

[@screwtokaiba]

​@@Suprapikai remember there was jokea about how nunchucks only exists to stop you from realizing Monks are nutty but idk if thats really how it plays out

[@dryzalizer]

-Thunder element is ok, required lobster bosses Karlabos and Crayclaw are pushovers with it and Sol Cannon hates it as well. Nothing after that until optional Omega and Leviathan...OK if you're anti-lamp you can AoE the trench triplet piggies with Thunder as none of them absorb that element. Lots of teams will skip going to the trench anyway. Fire is most important overall, used for required bosses Byblos, Melusine, and Apanda. There's also Shiva if you care to burn her, and somehow three of the crystal guardians are vulnerable to fire but immune to ice and thunder so that's a point for fire as well. -Since you don't play on PR, you might try the ez double release quick kill against Archaeoavis sometime: Release a Ronka Knight and an Aegir, and wait a few seconds. The Ronka Knight does just under the 1600 HP of the first form, and the Aegir inflicts HP leak. When this form dies to HP leak (and basically when any enemy in the game dies to HP leak), it skips the other forms and ends the fight entirely. Speedruns used to do this before they found methods that were faster than catching a couple enemies quickly. It's possible on PR, but the Ronka Knight release damage varies more and the HP leak is super slow so it's not reliable. -Good job finding the best crystal guardians release, Sandcrawler. Not the most reliable, but not too bad either if you're willing to take as few as 2 crystals down to single-digit HP at once. Even if the crystals weren't immune to Holy, Shield Dragon stats are bad so its Almagest is wimpy. -Your CED fight would have gone better if you just had more rods, remember that for your fiesta runs hehe. Red mage on PR really benefits a ton from boosted rod breaking being stupid OP, it's the older versions of the game where Red is so mediocre after W1. -LMAO not surprised you skipped showing the Omni fight since chipping away at him with a solo Red mage using -aras takes quite a while. My advice for the future is to catch a Zuu and Release it immediately after getting a starting whip paralysis proc against Omni to remove half his HP. You could also release a second one, maybe after getting a Silence cast to stick on him and then he'll kill himself with reflected damage. On PR, he doesn't even try to cast Return when you release a Zuu against him so it's even easier. PR also makes the Magic Pots run away every time when you give them an elixir instead of the 1/3 chance of it used in older versions. -Dualcast rules with a Black, Time, Summoner, or White mage in your party to utilize it. Otherwise, yeah it's mostly utility and hey you can dualcast Libra on the two remaining parts of NED so you'll be sure to kill them at the same time! -Odin's Zantetsuken when fighting him just rolls Comet individually on all 4 of your party members. So yeah it's a magic attack, and Shell does help you survive it. Red mage is no help there...again. -Rune Blade Red mage with a tiara using Dance is sneaky strong too, if you ever roll that combo. -I would probably rate Monk worse than Thief in old versions, but PR Monk has quirks that generally make it better. Focus does full damage from the back row, Equip X with a strong weapon equipped makes for good AoE Kick damage, etc. Plus older versions of Thieves will always go first in party order so you can get away from fights more easily and reliably. PR also includes some QoL stuff that renders a lot of Thief's utility irrelevant. -They can't give Calo Curaga, that would be a full heal reflected on herself every time she uses it. She is indeed a pushover for almost any party you can imagine though. -I saw you don't like to break a lot of rods, but some of these late-game fights like Apanda and Azulmagia rod breaking is often Red's best offense. -Pre-frog strats vs. Hali, pro play Red mage! BTW you hitting Hali with Mini was an extremely low chance so congrats on that one! -Fun strat vs. TT, you can also Toad it when it's charging up Gigaflare if needed lmao! -Impressive King Behemoth releases for Gigaflare, Beastmaster has imo the best end credits move where it does that. -Krile should be holding the Aegis shield in the final fight, it gives complete immunity to white hole in old versions of the game (it's also the best general-use shield in the game). -Fun that you caught a Crystelle and put up Mighty Guard against NED. You prrrrrobably didn't need to and could have gone with another big damage AoE release, but either way things will get scary near the end. -Good times, thanks for another fun FFV video!

[@Suprapika]

I didn't know about Zantetsuken basically being full-party Comet, that's interesting to know. Also thanks for all the other comments, I can't really reply to them all!

[@diamondarmedsoldier]

Look up megadrive shmup music, you will probably never run out of music ever again. Thunderforce, Elemental master, eliminate down, gleylancer. Too many to count. Also atomic runner and splatterhouse 2 are strong from that system as well.

[@Carlet_S]

Calofisteri probably doesn't have Curaga because single target Curaga in FFV is straight up a full heal. Probably didn't want people using parties with low DPT to just randomly get stuck for an hour because they can't burst down 18k HP before she heals

[@Suprapika]

I should have phrased that part better, because I meant less "they should give a boss a full heal" and more "they should give this endgame boss a healing move stronger than Cura"; I'm sure they coulda made something up if they didn't want to use White Wind.

[@nilvana7540]

14:45 I don't know what the books' titles were or how the shelves were set up in the original, but Japanese is composed of syllables--either a vowel (a, i, u, e, o) or a consonant followed by a vowel (ka, ki, ku, ke, ko; ra, ri, ru, re, ro, etc.). So Japanese indices are organized by the first syllable: first everything starting with "a," then "i," all through the vowels before moving on to everything starting with "ka," then "ki," and so on, all through the consonants. It could be that the fan translation kept the corresponding bookshelves the same despite the names now being in English, so there's no longer any pattern.

[@Poiman64]

Alright, so, I can comment on the Dissidia stuff given that I actually played the game competitively for quite a while, but I'll keep it somewhat brief. Exdeath: Omniblock is, indeed, very strong. But it would mean nothing if the Opponent had no reason to approach. The real reason he's so good in 012 specifically is because he has the fastest and safest Assist generation in the game. By canceling his HPs into a Block, which can then be canceled into a Dash within about 4 frames at 60 fps (FPS in this game is *really* weird and a topic for another day), and alternating his HPs means he gets a full meter in >2 seconds. Pair that with his absolutely cracked Assist Synergy, it makes it so incredibly hard to get a hit in on him. It's to the point where you need to have an EX centric build just for him. Prishe: One-Inch Punch when charged causes it to become Melee High, completely crushing most Blocks in the game. Raging Fists can be comboed without hitting, allowing it to cover Dodges. Pair that with both being able to combo into an HP via Assist and really safe Assist Generation, and you've got 50/50 the character and she is horrifying. Jecht: Definitely one of the highest skill floors and ceiling in the game. Jecht Block is a Block that's essentially Melee High priority, and it allows him to actually approach Zoners. His Attacks are also fairly fast with a bit more of a disjoint than it initially appears. If you can get combos down, you've got a monster that hates whiffing. Whiffing with Jecht on anything is like putting a giant kick me sign on him. But yeah, if you're curious about anything more on Dissidia 012 and its PvP, check out Dissidia Community. We're finally starting to explore potentially allowing Feral Chaos (with notable restrictions), so things are developing a ton.

[@Suprapika]

Y'know I'm actually such a Dissidia scrub that I forgot that assists were a major addition to Duodecim. This is all super cool though, thanks for the info dump!

[@lionheart8331]

Exdeath maelstrom pressure it's pretty crazy

[@MoogleMoxie]

FF1 is the only game that got Red Mage right, i think. The jack of all trades, master of none class

[@Suprapika]

And even then it seems like it's at least partially that way because the Int stat doesn't do anything, so it can actually keep up in damage/healing way better than its future incarnations can.

[@MoogleMoxie]

True that, and then the GBA/PSP remakes, even with int working properly, he doesn't struggle so much due to the extra weapons on those versions.

[@timothyernst8812]

FF3 also has red mages, and they even get two weapons unique to the class, but because of how leveling and skill progression works in that game red mage isn't worth using.

[@fruitloops2058]

Why do you think they called them Red Mages and not Grey.

[@Suprapika]

@ NES color palettes probably, plus Red is a much more appealing color than gray.

[@screwtokaiba]

Reverend's video on RBY Uber is like so funny in context of what Mewtwo reputation was. Like you'd think a meta who have a mon with bombastic profile like "a move that doubles special attack on 150 base" would be some high octane offensive action game but turns out a gamefreak intern put 20 base PP on Recover and we have to suffer for it lol

[@Suprapika]

At least the devs went all the way in making the balance wacky as shit. Or at least, most of the way.

[@fafnirable1]

Monk is literally only good for the passive strength boost from mastering it. Monk just makes all other melee classes better

[@Mystwarrior1]

Should do videos about best job combinations for each job. Like dancer and monk then barehand makes sword dance x2. Or having a thief will give early access to dancers lamia tiara. Or something along the lines of berserk giving warriors equip axe and access to death scythe while warriors give access to 2h. Or something......

[@Suprapika]

Could be a good idea, it'd definitely take a while to make because of the ridiculously high combination of things in this game.

[@Vulkypsin]

Time Mage/Mystic Knight is amazing for setting up almost Rapid Fire-fast Spellblade nonsense. Geomancer with Summon is a fun sorta Swiss Army Mage that can use free Summoner-boosted Gaia to offset the costly Summon spells throughout the game without needing much MP babying. Black Mage/Ninja is silly because boosted scrolls and dual-wielding Main Gauches for added survivability or Rods for more boosting possibly. White Mage/Knight is a fun and simple Paladin/Cleric build to make either a heavily-armored White Mage or a very supportive Knight. There's a ton of fun and strong options

[@Suprapika]

@ All great recommendations, although I do have to ask, is !Gaia actually impacted by the magic stat? In my and Jam's "talking about the FFV jobs" video, I have footage of using Wind Slash with the Geomancer and Summoner, and the damage is almost identical. Plus, !Gaia doesn't pass over the Geomancer's Magic stat for some reason.

[@Mystwarrior1]

@@Suprapika there is a possibility that Gaia isn't even magic based as it activates Omniscient's return. So then it makes me wonder if physical alterations affect !Gaia? On top of that I'm still trying to puzzle over why !dance is now a magical attack (at least it is in pixel. I'm not sure if it's magic in GBA but a dancer can sword dance Omniscent to death tho.)

[@nameless3556]

Magic should definitely play a role, at least with Wind Slash. Geomancer has a fairly solid magic score, though, so it could be that both characters got the same damage multiplier. Magic damage multipliers also grow fairly slowly.

[@JRPKeller]

In FFV? ExDeath may not mechanically counter you.... ...but in the story? EVERYTHING he does counters the party's efforts at every step. ExDeath is, at all times, 1 step ahead of the party. Nothing you can do meaningfully impacts he plans, goals, or efforts until the very end. It''s actually one of my biggest criticisms of the plot...as it means that the party feels like it has "Fashionably Late" Syndrome, and can never keep up. Makes the story feel very reactive, which gets monotonous after a while. However, metaphorically? ExDeath...counters 95% of the FFV plot. So it works better then it initially sounds...

[@Suprapika]

I can accept that explanation, the "fashionably late" syndrome I feel was also omnipresent in FF4, but way worse, so at least they improved on it a bit in 5.

[@JRPKeller]

@@Suprapika Yeah. Cecil being out smarted by a villain's gloves is...kinda sad.

[@Vulkypsin]

Cecil was no match for... [ Z A H A N D O ]

[@AnAverageGoblin]

@@JRPKeller you're saying that like anyone would be able to notice a severed hand moving while distracted by something else. FF4's story sucks but of all things the hand is the least significant thing to complain about. at least it wasn't a repeated plot beat or another fakeout.

[@JRPKeller]

@@AnAverageGoblin Don't get me wrong; FF4 stands as one of my favorites of the series. I adore it very very much; it's a part of my childhood, and nothing will diminish the sense of wonder it gave me when I played it for the first time. With that said....Cecil stood there, watched a hand make a circuitous, slow, float over the crystal, grab it, and teleport away with a plot McGuffin. It's a really contrived "You lost anyway" part of the plot that really doesn't do much to characterize anyone, raise the stakes intelligently, or otherwise build up to a good payoff. It makes everything in here serve the "The party isn't dead, Rydia is back" fake out from five minutes before. At the time, I was on board....today? I look at it as pretty silly...even if I still love the game it's from.

[@baltemys6097]

Speaking of the Rune Blade, it made for the most fun Fiesta run where I had Two Red Mages, Knight and Geomancer. Two-Handed Rune Blades slap so much

[@derekminna]

I hope you keep doing more FFV videos. I could watch them all day. I normally play a new RPG and have a fiesta run going as well. When I get bored or frustrated I play FFV for a few nights before going back. Curremtly using a very similar party to this vid. Blue Mage, Beastmaster, Berserker, Dragoon. If you want a new FFV challenge run idea, let me know. I have a random job assign challenge that I will be doing soon. Where 2 characters have to go to a randok job after each boss.

[@D4n0w4r]

Would love a full video thrashing YIIK. Can never get enough of dunking on that game.

[@Suprapika]

If I did make a video about YIIK, I don't think I'd be shitting on it (because there's plenty of that on KZbin already, and Running Shine made the best one), I'd probably just be confusedly rambling for 90 minutes.

[@D4n0w4r]

@@Suprapika That's fair. Hope Running Shine is doing alright these days.

[@Suprapika]

@ Same. Just waiting on the TWEWY video, and hoping that they don't retire from KZbin.

[@zombieplasticclock]

Happy to hear the Ib rep, I love that game so much. It's so much better than a lot of RPG Maker horror in that it actually builds a creepy enviroment without relying on constant jumpscares. And also is just a beautiful little story, unlike misery parades like The Witch's House

[@Suprapika]

Lmao yeah, the fact that the game actually has good endings is super nice. "Misery parade" is a great term.

[@yeasstt]

Fire Emblem mentioned! Ok so most FE lords are *really* bad units. Theyre generally fast, but they do not deal damage and if they die its a game over. This is most obvious with units like Marth (specifically in Shadow Dragon) and Roy, who are just awful. Roy in particular is basically unusable as a combat unit until the last 4 chapters of his game. As for Ike, he's just sligjtly better than Roy for most of Path of Radiance. They have nearly 1:1 stats at base, and similar growths. The big difference is that Ike promotes earlier, and his attack speed is higher due to game mechanics. Then in the next game, Radiant Dawn, he has a huge lead in strength, speed, and defense over most other units. He hits like a truck, and takes hits like a truck. Having him be a hard hitter in smash makes sense, and for balance reasons that means he has to be a bit slower than someone like Marth who is notably weak.

[@screwtokaiba]

Its only GBA Marth was high top tier in 3, best character in the game in 1. And Marths entire thing was having the best offense of the roster for a long time. Sigurd was Seth original rival for best character in the franchise overall. Seliph is functionally not too different to Sigurd and is effectively a new game+ character. Alm is at least top 3. Leif is commonly considered top tier nowadays. Its just GBA where Late Promotion in modern stats system + Hector and Ephraim being the only decent lord that had most of them sucking. Also after this point Chrom is like top 3

[@Suprapika]

I do know that Roy is terribad, but I've always been under the impression that he's the exception rather than the rule. I've only played PoR/RD/SS/the one with Eliwood, and all the Lords in those games seemed great to me. Aside from Eirika, she was kinda bad (if she counts as a Lord, I know Ephraim is the "real" Lord of that game).

[@screwtokaiba]

@@Suprapika Eliwood is commonly considered Mediocre. Lyn is bad. Tbh i think if you play Lyn mode, even on HHM Lyn had passable stats due to how the game works, but default Lyn joins a bit too late for her stats(shes notably worse than Guy who is already spotty) The dna of why Roy sucks kinda exists on gba lords with swords and SD Marth and some was by accident. Basically back in Famicom to early snes era, Lords was balanced around being ok early game(bandit phase) and a nuclear bomb against horses. Marth actually does the best against Lances in combat across the board. In fact Marth was the ONLY character who have effective damage against Paladins in FE1 This got changed in FE4 with Sigurd NOT having Rapier and his target enemy was primary axe bandits kingdom. Note that even if the rapier disconnect happened in these games, it wont matter as much because Kaga games was notorious with how blatantly better Swords are over every weapon type(meanwhile Axe barely exists) Roy got saddled with low base stats, late promotion, sword is no longer a blatantly godlike weapom type, and Rapier being 5 MT didnt play well with the higher stats standard of FE6 and on top of this, Weapom Triangle was buffed in Roys game and is now on horses and armor the rapiers are meant to be used for before the system existed. Multiples of these was also found on every Lords up to Awakening Funny enough Roy Rapier is 5 MT. I believe its 15 mt on super effective, and 12 MT on Lance SE because the Triangle substraction is counted towards the effective multiplier damage In Japanese FE7 Mani Katti of Lyn would be 24/21 and Rapier of Eliwood would be 21/18 but FE7 NA changed the effectiveness formula from 3x go 2x, making Mani Katti 16/14 and Rapier 14/12. So they essentially undo the buff

[@Suprapika]

@@screwtokaiba Well I'm glad I have Fire Emblem experts to show me the truth, I've always been a very passive FE player so I never really knew what people thought of all the units. All cool to know.

[@RoninCatholic]

Just like Chess, you don't want to put your King directly in danger. Unlike Chess, there are mechanics in place to ensure your King's most expensive armor actually helps him.

[@mindlessmeat4055]

The graces remaster comes with all the music from other games and you can randomize it. The meta game of "what tales did this piece of music come from" is quite fun.

[@Suprapika]

Yeah that's super sick. I was playing for a long time before any of the songs started repeating, too, which helps them not get old really quick. I haven't gotten any of the costume titles yet, but I'm hoping the songs from those costumes also adds to the playlist.

[@beebo_omgwow]

Yo if that's true I'm definitely picking it up sooner rather than later

[@Suprapika]

@ You should! It's an amazing game, and even if you do decide to wait for a sale, you probably won't be waiting long.

[@Zeikier]

For soundtracks to include, I guess I can throw my hat in with Lunar 2 (PS1), Brave Fencer Musashi (PS1), Contra Hard Corps (Genesis), Legend of Legaia (PS1), Phantasy Star Online (Dreamcast, GameCube, PC), and Jade Cocoon 1/2 (PS1/2). Seven Samurai 20XX (PS2) also has some banger fight themes!

[@Zeikier]

One of my Fiesta runs last year had Monk as one of the jobs and I was struggling so hard until I learned how good Focus was on the early bosses. It also clenched my victory against Omega even if that setup was scuffed as all hell.

[@Suprapika]

Monk being able to do anything against Omega is very surprising to me.

[@Mothuzad]

I gave a Monk Equip Lances because it was the only equip ability on my 4JF team, and it made the Monk actually useful late game just for Kick. Pixel Remaster version. It let the Monk clear most encounters in a single turn until entering the Rift. After that, my Monk became a secondary Time Mage. Unfortunately, they couldn't smash rods like the real deal.

[@Suprapika]

I think PR buffed Kick, not sure how good that would have been here, but it's not like I even tried, I'm kinda used to Kick just being bad. That is a cool combination though, I wish I had thought of that; I'll have to keep it in mind if I get Monk in a FJF in the future.

[@Vulkypsin]

B-but Equip Rods tho...

[@Suprapika]

@Vulkypsin Well, you have to pick either !Time or Equip Rods, and !Time is probably better in the long run.

[@Mothuzad]

If I used Equip Rods on my Monk, then my Magic stat would have been too low for rods to compete with Kick. I should test it out to see exactly how bad it is. White Mage might be the only job in the game that can benefit reasonably from Equip Rods. Not sure how good other rodless jobs are with Magic. Maybe Geomancer would benefit?

[@Mothuzad]

PR did buff Kick. In PR, it has full power in the back row and benefits from equipped weapons. I think those perks are both PR exclusive.

[@gurvmlk]

Since it came up, versatility is absolutely what makes the Blue Mage so much fun to use. Sure, many of its spells aren't as powerful as what you'll get out of a Black Mage or Summoner, and it may not be as consistently useful as other jobs. But it has so many delightfully situational spells that it's just fun to use, and really opens up your solutions to varying combat scenarios in a way that no other job can achieve. Not to mention that when you are in the right situation (such as a group of normal enemies whose levels are all divisible by 5), that niche job suddenly has the power to lay waste to your foes with minimal effort. It's just that at the same time, the Blue Mage can also sometimes feel burdensome when you're not in one of those sorts of situations.

[@bandygojanglesmatriarch1198]

Chakra should apply Haste to its user so you can quickly stack up Focus, as well as get more of the sadly weak bareknuckled punches in. I think it makes thematic sense for the class, and maybe the AB required to learn it could be vastly heightened so it's not an overpowered strat. Monk is my favourite class in FF1, so it hurts to see it so underwhelming in my favourite FF game.

[@Suprapika]

That would be an interesting change, it would definitely allow for people to actually use the Kaiser Knuckles in FJF runs if they did that.

[@davidklein8608]

The game likely expects you to just use a freelancer if you want to replace the default red magic command with dualcast. It would be cool if the game allowed you to change the default job command with another same job command on a mastered job for challenge runs. I always like it when developers think of challenges and add things like that or speedrun rewards like Excalibur 2 in FF9.

[@Starsoulklr]

Yo this was my first four job fiesta set. Neo Exdeath was such a slog brawlfest but they have really easy damage and stopping Shinryu and Omega.

[@Suprapika]

Once again I'm stunned at the fact that I made these "worst/bad party" videos and more than one person in the comments says "this was my run once actually".

[@The_Facepalmer]

Finally an uploader inquiring about Fire Emblem in an unrelated game, now I am given carte blanche to yap. Ike in 9 (Path of Radiance) is a very typical light, accurate & fast swordfighter akin to marth/chrom/lucina. I barely player Smash but, imo, it has no shortage of these guys. In Fire Emblem 10 (Radiant Dawn) Ike is one of the fastest units you'll have available but he also isn't likely to level speed much beyond his base. Ike instead just starts with a big lead in speed compared to most of his contemporaries beside Shinnon (Cannot melee) and Mia (Very frail). The game usually has players use Ike a lot since he's very good initially, lucks into a few critical speed levels, promotes and continues to steamroll the faceless horde. Also playing on medium/lower difficulties makes the speed benchmarks less demanding. Fire Emblem tries designs the lords not getting doubled (lacking speed) since they're game overs and that's an easy way to alleviate not dying. However in design/vibes Ike in gameplay, and visual silhouette can be way more distinct by depicting him closer to the juggernaut/ really huge guy, such as Fire Emblem Engage and Smash compared to other lankier FE Lords. For OST's I really like Persona but that's really mainstream. Also Fire Emblem but specifically the more obscure Genealogy of the Holy War has a lot of good vibe songs. Also maybe just pick the less renowned songs from famous games. Or just yoink them from other videos that use video game ost's, like I watched Reverend make RBY OU pokemon videos and uses Jurassic Park from the SNES. Anyway my question for you is could Monk use !Equip Lances to boost Kick damage with strength/attack pumping? that sounds kinda nice if it could work

[@Suprapika]

Reverend using shit like Stuart Little on the PS2 is the level that I kinda aspire to. A couple people have already compared my voice to his, so I'm like, partway there anyway. And someone else did say they made use of Equip Spears/Kick, but I didn't bother to try because Kick in my experience kinda sucks. I still shoulda tried, though.

[@The_Facepalmer]

@@Suprapika Eagerly but patiently waiting for the Final Fantasy 1 NES video with accompanying backtrack from unremarkable early 2000's childhood movie videogame for the playstation 1 when shades are photoshopped onto the Lilligant pfp.

[@Suprapika]

@ Lmao. If I ever play FF1 and make a video out of it, I'll have to keep this in mind.

[@RwnEsper]

Strangers of Paradise is severely underrated. Good shout, pika.

[@Suprapika]

I only play underrated games, apparently.

[@fluffdafire157]

Prishe is cracked in Dissidia do to her combo system where combining certain effects on your attacks changes the main skill

[@catboyjeremie]

I been really enjoying all those Final Fantasy V videos as of late after stumbling on them and it got me to return to the game recently and it's been more fun than it has ever been before. Thanks a lot for those very fun videos. I'm not quite sure what sort of video game music you're looking for exactly or from which systems are fine, but some SNES games with RPG elements that come to mind are Alcahest, Romancing SaGa 2 & 3, Drakkhen has a few nice and relaxing themes and maybe 7th Saga?

[@fruitloops2058]

If i didn't get lucky with Black Mage and Summoner and X-Fight wasn't busted i'd be dreading having to use Dragoon in my 4JF It looks so cool, why does it have no synergy? Why did the devs make it so bad?

[@Suprapika]

A question for the ages. I'm totally convinced that the devs thought Dragoon would be good.

[@screwtokaiba]

​@@Suprapikaisnt like half the reason Dragoon sucks arguably just from spear sucking?

[@Suprapika]

@ The best thing about Dragoon is that it can equip shields. It doesn't have great stats (it doesn't even have the highest strength of its own crystal), spears are a super lame weapon type, it only has 3 skills, and those skills all suck.

[@JRPKeller]

@ I think the problem is they had to balance 22 different classes...and nearly half of them were brand new to the series. In particular Blue Mage, Time Mage, and Chemist would have required a lot of work compared to something like Monk or Red Mage...and I wouldn't be surprised if there just wasn't the time to go back and analyze some of the older, most established jobs to see if they held up against the other options.

[@Vulkypsin]

The best descriptor for Dragoon as a job is "Selfish" Its main skill only serves to momentarily protect yourself in the most inconsiderate way as you force your most likely less armored allies to risk damage, while you can equip shields and some of the best armor in the game, and all for a disappointing damage multiplier. Said multiplier for its unique weapon has the audacity to only be usable by the gimmick job who whole thing is customizing and mixing skills and every other job is expected to be left out in the cold for this, while literally every other job potentially offers stronger and more supportive options. Lancet is just a trashy combo Drain/Osmose that wastes a skill slot because Ethers exist and the weak HP drain is not saving someone's life. Its stat block is just kinda there and better stat blocks are there and offer better perks that actually have synergy. It says something about a job where running a team entirely comprised of them is the only argument for its team benefit since the instant you introduce almost any other job to the mix, you see just how shittily niche and conditional it's "synergy" is, where it just boils down to "we jumped at the same time" and it's nothing but a mediocre time-wasting beatstick that kinda just wastes some of your heavy armor and shields.

[@Omnicrom]

As the one FF14 person in the comments, Monk weapons are fun in that game because Monks actually have weapons in the form of various knuckles and claws. You actually have to go get a vanity item to fight fully barehanded in 14. There's also a handful of weapons that are fancy gloves you wear all of the time instead of a variety of beating implements you pull out for fisticuffing but those are pretty scarce - not in the "hard to get" sense so much as "it's easier to make distinctive claws/cestii/Baghnakhs" and also the people who model your fancy glove armor get sad when they have to overwrite those models for Monk weapons. Also, Monks wear most of the same armor of Samurai, but that's not unique. Meanwhile Red Mage is also a funny of mix of things in 14, mechanically the gimmick is that you always have Twincast which in the game is represented as meaning every time you cast a spell you cast your next spell instantly. This means you can cast a fast spell and then immediately follow up with one of their super slow spells. It's honestly somewhat mediocre in terms of caster damage but it stands out as being perhaps the best job to get you out of a pinch since twincast means you can cast Raise every 2.5ish seconds instead of the normal full 8 seconds to cast. Just watch the MP cost (2400 a cast)! Dragoon in FF14 also gets to Jump! And it took a very long time for Jump to not kill you since it locked you in place for a very long time for a very long time. It's less bad these days, in fact it hasn't been bad in a while, but you may get dead'd anyways if you Jump stupidly. In practice, though, your Jumps are only half the story as Dragoon is mostly all about it's super long combos chains. You get to hit people with spears in a truly exciting number of ways in FF14. Beastmaster is slated to come to 14 later this year. It's going to be weird. Also Alte Roite/Jura Avis, Catastrophe, Halicarnassus, and ExDeath are all raid bosses in the game. And yes, Almagest is in the game and rips you in half, and Grand Cross also appears and it does dump a dozen status effects on you. And related to all that, if you need music look at some of FF14's OST, it's very good and there's about 600 tracks from it to choose from.

[@Suprapika]

Its funny that Jump continues to be shit in most games that it's in. It's awful in Stranger of Paradise, which is hilarious. Also my only Monk knowledge is that one guy I used to watch on KZbin, SSoHPKC, was a FF14 Monk player, and he occasionally lamented that Monk is kinda shit. Although that was a long time ago, now I know it's different.

[@Omnicrom]

@@Suprapika Jump is fine as it is in FF14, you just have to not be a goober when using it. Jump is also very good in FFT, assuming you pick appropriate targets. If you do that (and have it leveled up) you can just ruin people from halfway across the planet. Also Spears are very good in FFT, two range is a big deal and Spears are extremely strong weapons and you can Dualhand them and just one-shot people. Honestly the worst thing about Dragoons in FFT is that they can't use light armor except robes, being locked to Helmets sucks in Tactics. As for Monk, the biggest problem they have in current moment FF14 is a complete lack of ranged options. Every other Job gets SOMETHING at a distance even if it's functionally a peashooter filler. If a MNK can keep uptime they can put out impressive damage numbers, but out of melee range they're doing nothing.

[@rayquazathenoodledragon9630]

Something funny is that i think Mystic Knights are just a better version of Red Mage, they have better stats and access to some black and white magic and despite not casting them directly and lacking the cure line and buffs they do all the Red Mage do and better and both are Water Crystal jobs, i think that something that would make Red Mage more decent would be not having that horrible -6 stamina that gives them lower HP than other mages, maybe learning up to level 4 spells and be able to use shields, they would still be mediocre but at least they would be useful and viable for more parts of the game and getting the 999 ABP would rely more of playing throught the game than just grinding them

[@RoninCatholic]

Mystic Knight with White as a secondary slot is basically a Red Wizard in both concept and execution.

[@leapy3165]

Ikes design in smash is mostly about comparison imo, speed isn’t his defining stat in radiant dawn or path of radiance dawn Vs Marth and the other lords his speed is less defining to his stat line and he has way more strength than they are usually thought of having. It’s not fully accurate bc his speed is good but it gets his vibe across fairly well. Insane that they did that to Bartz in dissidia though, poor dude 😭

[@RoninCatholic]

Roy was defined in his own game in part by his sword having a ranged attack, but of course that doesn't translate at all because he was just a tweaked Marth to save development resources and make it actually possible to have that many extra fighters at all.

[@Bobkierz]

19:35 You can actually steamroll Exdeath by capturing 4X Lesser Lopros that use Breath Wing.

[@Suprapika]

Yes, or by catching 4 Magic Dragons that use Blaze, but I didn't want to grind 400+ ABP on everyone. I try to not grind in these runs as much as I can, until world 3 anyway.

[@RoninCatholic]

Some of my favorite videogame music not mentioned already in your examples of overused include RPG Maker (PS1 version), Golden Sun, and a couple songs from NES and Famicom games like Getsu Fuma Den, Legacy of the Werewolf, and Deadly Tower. The NES version of Wizardry also has really good music. My music taste isn't high culture - it's "I like videogames and high fantasy adventure" Outside of videogames, instrumental versions of sea shanties are always a classic. Blow the Man Down, Drunken Sailor, Hornpipe, Wellerman...considering how much sailing you do in most JRPGs, always fitting.

[@decadrud]

yiik iv is really interesting but also clumsy, can definitely understand the story complaints but i love the gameplay changes (minor spoilers for yiik for whoever that cares) the majority of the new story content in yiik being behind a "fake" new game+ mode also makes it hard to really recommend the game for its story, since you have to slog through some confusing vanilla stuff

[@Suprapika]

The gameplay of I.V is a definite improvement, but I still don't like it; it's simultaneously overly convoluted, and also extremely easy to abuse. Also it's visual diarrhea.

[@decadrud]

also forgot to say this earlier, but i highly recommend looking into PC98 game OSTs if you want some more obscure background music! some of my favorite are from yu-no and grounseed

[@younesakdah1803]

Here's some more for the patch list. Make a separate slot for passive abilities, and allow jobs to also switch their main ability upon mastery. Bare will still have the upper hand with all equipment and innate ability transfers.

[@Suprapika]

I think in the video of me and RJ talking about the jobs, I say something like it would be cool to have a separate ability slot just for an "Equip [Weapon]" skill, sometimes it feels a bit too limiting.

[@Mothuzad]

There are enemy abilities that can be used via Control but won't appear via confusion. White Wind is an example, with the fans in Ronka. I think you might be able to learn it later on by confusing a different monster, but I'm not sure. I'll learn more workarounds if I'm ever lucky enough to roll Blue Mage in a Fiesta run but unlucky enough to have no Beastmaster with them.

[@Suprapika]

I wish I had known about the Confuse thing in my "best jobs" video, but alas. I also swear that the Ronka Ruins Fan enemy was a specific example that people said worked, but I'm kinda too lazy to check. If I do, I'll edit this comment.

[@Nowaylarry]

@@Suprapika As far as I know (at least in the GBA version) White Wind and Mighty Guard can only be obtained via control.

[@Suprapika]

@ They might have changed how Confusion works in GBA, because I know for a fact you can get Mighty Guard from confusing the Stingray in SNES, I have footage of it happening in the "Ranking the Blue Magic" video.

[@alyssasalmon4883]

The enchanted fans will absolutely use white wind when confused, don’t know where you heard that.

[@Suprapika]

@ With all the conflicing info about this game around, it makes me wonder if Confuse was changed in some way between the SNES, GBA, PR, PS1 and Mobile versions.

[@mimakari]

The Kaiser Knuckle has to be up there in terms of worst items in the game. Its an accessory slot at a point where you'd really rather be using either the Sandals or the Wall Ring, it barely does anything and you have to do 30 optional dungeons to get one (and then steal from Iron Fists in the void).

[@Suprapika]

If you roll a FJF party that has access to Time Magic somehow, it could be decent, because the power upgrade IS pretty noticable. But yeah it's not great.

[@kemix1006]

I feel like in a balance patch for FF5, Red Mages should get access to at least the -Aga series magics through dualcast if you equip it alongside red magic, considering FF1 red wizards were basically able to use all magic outside SPECIFICALLY stuff only for White and Black Mages. It would at least show they still had room to grow after mastering their abilities, and make them viable as an endgame class (as is all they exist as is a vehicle for OTHER mages to dualcast and to be used to the end of world 1 at best, without using stuff like the runeblade.) And giving monks access to weapons (or literally make claws in general) to inflict status ailments or hit weaknesses (We could literally replace the Gaia Bell, Apolo's Harp or Yoichi's Bow for a holy healing claw and/or a dark status inflicting claw) and give them access to Fire/Thunder/Ice claws in the first world and some status inflicting ones in the second. They don't need, like, a Bad Breath on a claw, but giving them poison, paralysis and a couple other ailments would help them thrive more as a offensive class that CAN also support by debuffing enemies. Which would feel in line with what a martial artist can do (AKA: hitting chakra points to cleanse or inflict ailments as we see in later games, notably with Amarant's flairs in FF9 (deep cut I know, people barely remember his existence as is.))

[@Darkfawfulx]

1. I remember Amarant he was in my final party for a reason. 2. Would always be nice to see a 3d FFV new balance and all.

[@RoninCatholic]

I think Red Mages should get access to the first few levels of Time Magic. Spells like Haste and Slow had, up through 4, been either solidly Black or rarely White from game to game and thus firmly in the camp that Red Mages could learn them. A cutoff point of not being able to cast Haste on the entire party SIMULTANEOUSLY might be appropriate.

[@theanarchangel9163]

As someone who has a pretty good grasp of how the Japanese language works, I couldn't make heads or tails of that bookshelf order either...

[@GerBessa]

No Archeoavis quick kill ? Release a Ronka Knight, then an Aegir to skip every other phase with sap ;) Also you don't want to give curaga to Calofisteri. Single target Curaga isn't 9999 heal, it's full heal, regardless of missing hp.

[@Suprapika]

See, strategies like that are a big reason why I like making these videos. Also to rephrase what I was talking about in the Calofisteri fight, I do know that Curaga just sets you to full HP, but my main point was that, they really couldn't just make up an enemy-specific healing spell just for her? I mean they could have just given her access to White Wind to skip the Reflect Shenanigans entirely, it's just super weird.

[@Vulkypsin]

It would be nice if her Cura scaled better

[@Terraflare94]

For adamantoise I just casted lv5 death. I keep forgetting to check enemy level to see if I can use math against them 😂

[@fantomeghostblacksapphire9152]

A challenge that I would like to see is a crystal-locked challenge. Basically, all 4 characters can only use jobs from their respective Crystal (Bartz wind, Lenna water and so on). It would be interesting to see which jobs ends at the end and which abilities would have each one

[@Suprapika]

Could definitely be interesting, the only one that would really get screwed is Krile because she'd basically have to be "Samurai + Mix". A cool idea for sure.

[@fantomeghostblacksapphire9152]

Hahahah yeah, Krile might be OP only for having Chemist in her arsenal. But would be really interesting to see what parties / formation happen against bosses with that condition 🔥

[@DoctorThundah]

This one was a lot of fun to watch, though I can imagine it sucked to actually play. I mentioned in a previous video that my worst Four Job Fiesta party of Monk, Berserker, Geomancer, Dancer was horrible, and I don't think you should do it, but if you do, I would love to see if someone better at the game than I am can make the party not completely suck ass.

[@Suprapika]

Man, I might think that Thief is worse than Monk, but at least with that job, they had access to early Lamia's Tiara and Gaia Hammer, plus Thiefs good abilities. At least they'd have the death scythes, but still

[@ShippoFoxD]

Recommending Stranger of Paradise, just got my friend into that game and he loved it. Based recommendations 💪

[@marakrofitcac3425]

I can’t recommend Lisa The Painful enough as far as rpgmaker games go, it’s my favorite both in terms of gameplay and a story. Though be warned, it goes to some very dark places.

[@Suprapika]

I forgot that was an RPG Maker game, although I'll be honest, I didn't get very far in it. Everyone says it's good though, so it's gotta be.

[@TalesOfBrandino]

I got whiplash from opening the video and hearing Jude's battle theme. Best battle theme in Xillia 1

[@Suprapika]

Xillia 1's battle music is great, my favorite is probably Melee Dance.

[@commanderuseless1685]

Someone else who loves the co-op in Stranger of Paradise! Fantastic!

[@Suprapika]

There's a video series on RetroJam's channel of me and a couple friends playing through the game for the first time, it's a very fun game.

[@no64256]

One thing that bothers me about the Fire Emblem representation in Smash is how repetitive it is. We have 3 separate characters who all use Marth's moveset as a base. Robin, Corrin, and Byleth are okay, but Let Chrom and Lucina use lances, or let Ike use axes and projectile slashes. Roy could be a glass cannon to reflect the fact he's a kinda weak kid with a nuclear reactor of a sword And not to mention all the other characters there could be with different playstyles. We could have axe and lance fighters, archers, mages, characters who fight on horseback or pegasi or wyvern, or even just a straight up dragon. At least Robin, Corrin, and Byleth partially serve some of those roles Personally, some FE characters i think could be cool in Smash are Leif, Arvis, and Tiki. Leif could be like a thief type character to reflect the capture mechanic from Thracia 776, stealing items from other players with a command grab or something, Arvis could be a heavy armor mage, and Tiki could transform into different types of dragons for different attacks, or maybe do a Pyra/Mytha thing with her different dragon forms Also, I have a 3.8k video long music playlist mostly consisting of video game music and remixes of them. There's a lot of remixes of the same songs, but if you need music, I'm sure you can just hit the shuffle button a few times and find something new. Some series i'd recommend for music would be Shin Megami Tensei and all it's spinoffs, Streets of Rage, and King of Fighters (or any SNK game really). I'm also really fond of the OSTs for the indie games LISA, Brutal Orchestra, Anodyne 1 & 2, A Robot Named Fight, and Cave Story. They are also some of my favorite games that I'd recommend in a heartbeat

[@Suprapika]

In a theoretical Smash Bros reboot, ideally the Fire Emblem representation doesn't get so homogeneous. Even if they don't wanna remake all the FE guys, just trimming the characters down to Marth, Ike and Robin would be fine.

[@RoninCatholic]

My tweaks for Roy would be to make him a little more ranged, but still solidly a slowish, heavy swordfighter. Have his current ENTIRE sword hitbox be the "sweet spot", then his Smashes and Specials have an added jet of flame effect out of the Binding Blade that do less damage than the sword hit itself, like his current Sour Spots. I don't just say this because Roy is my favorite Smash character and was even in Melee, even if that's my main reason and the fact that his actual Fire Emblem game gives his sword a 1-2 range with its magic effects is my inspiration for this broken proposition. Just one of those "change him a bit more to be less like his base character, but leave the skeleton in place" like a lot of Ganondorf proposals that don't rewrite his design from the bottom up.

[@cosmicskydragon333]

I'm glad someone else recognizes this, Fire Emblem is represented like Ganondorf and it really does hurt the reputation of the game and led to so much of the hate. FE has unique aspects, it just needs to actually show them like how Robin showcases both Magic and Durability.

[@RoninCatholic]

@@cosmicskydragon333 To be fair, I've never played any Fire Emblem but I got curious enough about my Melee main to look up gameplay footage of the game he was actually from. It's also amusing to me that I have a brother named Ike and a sister named Lynn, but in a series as big as Fire Emblem with so many named characters that sort of thing is just going to happen sometimes statistically just like with Pokemon trainers.

[@fruitloops2058]

23:00 Idea, a run where you only use equipment, jobs + support abilities that feel personalised/fitting for each character. Extra challenge is no freelancers but mime can be used once obtainable.

[@fruitloops2058]

Krile...i guess she could keep Galuf's job but not his support abilities? Spitballing here.

[@VinceMouse]

I've always loved Tales of Phantasia, honestly. Even though it's probably the simplest, it's got a great legacy. I think the PS1 version is probably the best, there's an english patch out there for it, since it was Japan-Only. The PSP and other more modern versions do things with the UI that are... odd, but there's also apparently some kind of expansion involved? Never played it myself. Just remember to go check back in on Elwin and Nancy a lot, and explore towns thoroughly before progressing the plot.

[@Suprapika]

I did play the PS1 fan translation of Phantasia, and the jump attack is super overpowered, but it WAS fun.

[@VinceMouse]

@@Suprapika Oh yeah, Manual Mode in general is pretty good. I think that's why it's unlocked by an extremely late game item usually, lol

[@Vulkypsin]

Nice music choices here

[@Externica]

Speaking of Stranger of Paradise, I played it last year and have played the first Nioh shortly after release. I believe both were developed by Team Omega, so the similarities do check out. The key difference is, that stranger of Paradise is easier than Nioh. In fact, Nioh borrows heavily from Dark Souls, but at the same time drops stronger gear to equip to it balance out somewhat. I still found Nioh to be far more challenging until you have enough skill points to cheese certain bosses. Highly recommended, I sadly never tried the second game, though I should try.

[@AnAverageGoblin]

Second Nioh is literally 100% better than Nioh 1.

[@kidumby7599]

FFV music is good but the boss theme absolutely wears on you if repeated enough times in quick succession, so varying the music like you have in this vid is a pretty good change. It's less pronounced with Exdeath's theme, though in those cases it also hangs much more on how long those specific boss fights last.

[@Suprapika]

Honestly the boss theme has always been one of my least favorite songs in the game, anyway.

[@Carlet_S]

The FF I PSP remake remixed version of the FF5 boss theme kinda slaps tho

[@jandreplayz9833]

Have you played Bravely Default / Bravely Default 2? Both games are great homages to FFV, BD1 in its story and job system, and 2 in its job system and combat Very fun to play with all the jobs and character development (both protagonist, villains and npc) And arguably one of the best OST out there (imo)

[@Suprapika]

Played BD1, not the other 2, and I liked the battle system, hated the story.

[@iamthehobo]

I'm looking for a game to fill time until ff7 R2 comes out for pc, maybe I will check out yume Nikki You have accurately described why Ike is so amazing in fe9. Good strength and speed growths, along with tankiness and a 1 - 2 range unbreakable powerful sword. Plus the best skill in the game. Technically, that is only after training, but he's there the whole game and it's obviously worth it. In fe10 he just comes in as a monster and only gets better I agree that the boss theme at different tempos would get a bit old especially on bosses that lasted a long time

[@jonathanhargraves2241]

I've been playing with Bartz as a Red Mage with Time Magic in the hopes of getting Dualcast at some point, and it is miserable. Having a character being stuck with Thundara and Cura in World 3 is a pain, but I hope it will be worth it.

[@Suprapika]

Dualcast Time Magic is one of the best support combinations in the game, so it WILL be worth it, but up until that point, yeah it's super miserable.

[@dryzalizer]

The payoff: dualcast Meteo + Quick, dualcast Meteo + Meteo, dualcast Meteo + Meteo = 5 Meteos in a single turn. Just make sure you have your gold hairpin on and lots of MP so you don't run out lmao!

[@jonathanhargraves2241]

@@dryzalizer I'm pretty excited to get it. Just made it to Phoenix Tower, I'm 200 ABP short of mastery!

[@aaaaaaaaaaaaaassssssssssssss]

YIIK's soundtrack has always been great. The unfortunate reality of music selections that are both good and unique deep cuts seems to be that, by and large, you're going to have to do the legwork yourself, and even then it's a lot of individual preference. I'd suggest finding a 'sound' you particularly like and going in one of three directions: finding stuff by the same artist, branching off either laterally into games that are similar on a surface level (Kirby to Starfy, Pokemon to Digimon/Yokai Watch, etc), or completely random stuff on the same console depending on what sounds cool or funny; it's how you find out that things like Butt Ugly Martians on GBA and Stuart Little 3: Big Photo Adventure on PS2 have some pretty decent tracks. I'll throw out some random recs, but I tend to favor DnB, moodier tracks, more 'forward-facing' and less ambient, and also MIDIs or FM Genesis/PC Engine tracks, so your mileage will vary: Thunder Force IV, Killer7, Aironauts PS1 is worth a mention, so is basically anything Ryu Umemoto, Ryu Takami, and Yuzo Koshiro (Streets of Rage, Shinobi, Etrian Odyssey, Ys) have ever made, Skeleton Boomerang, Ape Escape, Monkey Ball, Sonic and Yugioh games always have overlooked gems, Gallop Racer 2000, Road Trip Adventure PS2 (similar MIDI guitar as that one Pokemon Colosseum/XD song); I'll cut myself off there because this is already a lot.

[@Suprapika]

All great suggestions, thanks a bunch! But yeah you're definitely right in that I mostly have to put in the work myself, I kinda did that "game association" thing in an upcoming video, but the main issue is that I'm not knowledgable enough about gaming in general; it's why all my RPG Maker game recommendations are probably ones that 99% of people (that would already play those kinds of games) have played already. I do greatly appreciate the advice, though!

[@RoninCatholic]

Did they forget to assign a palette to Galuf's fists, or is his punching being a literal Iron Fist technique intentional? The sort of thing I'd make canon once observed if I did it on accident, LOL.

[@Suprapika]

The punching fists are just gray for some reason, and in PR they turn yellow when getting a crit, which is interesting.

[@RoninCatholic]

@@Suprapika My first guess is that it was a paletting oversight, second being that it's meant to be a visual effect conveying their speed. And with yellow being widely symbolic of energy and ki/chi in particular that being the color they turn on a critical hit as a sign that whether intentional initially or not, the choice to KEEP them that way very much is. Iron fists or swift-as-wind fists, with golden ki fists for the critical hit either way.

[@1ns0mn14k]

Speaking of the Brave Blade vs Chicken Knife video... Maybe this is a hot take, but I never go for the chicken knife even though it is statistically better than the brave blade. Why? Because most of the spinoff material these days (and even a bit of the official art, based on how those spinoffs depict it) generally seem to imply that Bartz choosing the Brave Blade is at least semi-canon. Outside if FF5 itself, I believe the closest Square has gotten to officially giving FF5's party the chicken knife was the (now closed down) gacha game Dossodia Opera Omnia, where it is given to Faris pretty much solely because she's the dedicated knife wielder in that game while Bartz (who still gets the Brave Blade) is a dedicated sword user (Faris also didn't get any fire elemental abilities, instead using lighting, wind and/or water depending on the skill because Syldra and also because pirate, while Lenna instead was given fire and no water abilities for some reason because Pheonix Summon is also associated with her... So take that as you will). Sorry if this turned out longer and probably could have been worsed better, but that said... Dualcast is pretty much the best thing about Red Mage, but the amount of grinding needed without multipliers is... Impractical if you wanted to make it a defining party feature.

[@Suprapika]

I try not to think about Dissidia Bartz too much, it just makes me sad.

[@Nonxsn]

I enjoyed the rpg rant on 7:10 forward

[@RoninCatholic]

Four Job Fiesta but you can roll any job that has been unlocked, and might wind up with 2 or 3 jobs from the same crystal.

[@RoninCatholic]

You could start with Monk or Thief, then wind up rolling a second Wind job when you get the Fire crystal, a third when you get the Water crystal, etc. But there's also a chance of unlocking both Summoner and Red Mage, Summoner and Time Mage, or Red Mage and Time Mage.

[@Suprapika]

At this point my go-to FJF rules are gonna be the "get any job at any crystal" one.

[@santiagosalas7088]

I never did complete my four job fiesta... it had 3 of these jobs, instead of monk it was thief, stuck at the crystals

[@Suprapika]

Dang. Well, if you ever get something similar like this again, at least you'll have this video to look back on for advice, I suppose.

[@lordofhyphens]

Re: music choices, I think since there are patch files around to change the music in the game, you can probably craft/apply an IPS patch that turns all the music to silence.

[@Nowaylarry]

Nah, Rapid fire + Chicken Knife makes Ranger far to consistently good. That and some of the late game bows are surprisingly good. The job does feel mediocre until you get rapid fire but castle Baal's basement isn't to far into world two so the grind isn't bad. Beastmaster is good but is balanced by the tedium of catch.

[@Suprapika]

Rapidfire is god tier until you get to Neo Exdeath, then it can be a liability if you get unlucky.

[@DoughboyJonesmk2]

I really like the Red Mage in FF1 but they've done my boy pretty dirty ever since. He's basically Planned Obsolescence: The job, in V. Even when you put in all the work to get dualcast it's still only good on a better spellcaster, so no matter what RM is just something to suffer through. Even if they just gave him access to the -aga spells with dualcast it would have made RM massively more viable (yeah yeah rod smash but if you put up with RM for 999 AP you friggin' earned some better spells).

[@Suprapika]

I think my biggest wants for Red Mage is either, make Dualcast the innate ability once Red Mage is mastered (since you can make other jobs better Red Mages than the Red Mage, because RM is stuck with !Red no matter what), or give them access to level 4 magic. Maybe that's a bit powerful, but it gives them access to Shell, Blink, Esuna, Bio, Break and Drain, which are all amazing spells, but not as overpowered as the level 5 ones. More reliable access to Shell by itself would be fantastic, the Red Mage is definitely one of the most underdeveloped jobs even if it's not the worst in the game.

[@DoughboyJonesmk2]

@@Suprapika FF1 RM wasn't great at anything but they were passable at a little bit of everything. I get that the jobs in 1 kinda HAD to be viable to the end but V basically designed them to be worthless 1/3 of the way through the game. And the versatility doesn't even feel all that worth it considering the mix and match nature of V's job system anyway. Maybe it would have made more sense to not get RM until world 2 and give it more spells and/or better stats. Then you get late game viability without making him a completely unbalanced death machine (that's the Blue Mages job!)

[@ultimatecalibur]

Red Mage tends to function better as a platform to equip other !Magic commands on rather than actually using it's own command abilities. It has the highest strength (+8) and agility (+5) of the Mages making it cast faster while still having viable physical damage from say the Ancient Sword, Sleep Blade, Runeblade and Enhancer. No job in FFV is meant to be a solitary island. Red Mage just happens to be more a solid caster foundation that you give more magic to before Mastery rather than something that you quickly master to give abilities to other jobs.

[@DoughboyJonesmk2]

@ That's a good point, but some jobs stand on their own two feet a lot better than others. The one job that SHOULD be doing that....doesn't really.

[@RoninCatholic]

One "fix" could even just be to move Red Mage to Crystal 1 and put the White and Black Mages separate later, around the time 4th level magic even starts showing up (maybe a tiny bit later to tease you). Would still kinda suck trying to keep the Red Mage relevant into late game just as with Monk and Thief, but it would also clearly not be the intent, with Knight and Blue Mage as strange outliers that just stay good.

[@lordofhyphens]

22:56 Exdeath might also just be that way because he is a tree (slow and tanky). Who knows? I tended to call Exdeath Discount Golbez though

[@Maggotbone]

It's very funny how Jack's VA used to do documentaries, yeah. Here's one: watch?v=k0E32LcoCFU Stranger of Paradise and Nioh are quite different, I feel. The RPG elements in Nioh are a lot less important until like NG+2 or +3. My first time playing Nioh 2 I just leveled up all my stats evenly and it worked out fine. I also think that Nioh leans a lot more towards APM and offense, whereas SoP makes you play to the enemies' rhythm with more emphasized defensive options (dodge, soul shield, parry)

[@Suprapika]

I relied on the red guard way too much in SoP, I basically never regular guarded or parried.

[@Maggotbone]

@Suprapika they can be tricky to time, but parries are very strong. They don't cost any break gauge when performed successfully and indeed grant you a break regeneration buff. When you're low on break, parry is easier to land than soul shield, which is especially relevant for Lunatic users (Berserker's command ability; accelerates all animations but prevents break regeneration). The DLCs only make them better, too, as you're able to make successful parries trigger all kinds of buffs, though I mostly just stick to HP and MP regeneration

[@mindlessmeat4055]

Since you didn't mention this during the tangent fight... I mean Archeoaevis fight you may not know. I like the lunar games and they are releasing a remaster of the first two in April.

[@Suprapika]

Yeah, even if I haven't played the Lunar games, it is cool that they're getting remastered. Always good to see some lesser known stuff get more attention.

[@hazelv.a.7976]

So Ike and Roy are basically the same character mechanically in their first games, both are okay early, then suck for most of the game, then at the end promote with an awesome sword. Roy becomes insanely tanky with the 1-2 range binding blade. Ike gets Aether which isn't the most reliable skill since it's not guaranteed to proc. Ike in his second game can get speed screwed, but it's not common. Marth is far and away the best unit in his first game, and is still great in the remakes of his games, just outclassed by more insane units

[@Suprapika]

I dunno if I'd say Ike sucks for most of the game, the last time I played PoR I kinda steamrolled with him.

[@hazelv.a.7976]

@Suprapika He is widely considered bad because he's 1 range locked for 26 chapters, low movement, and should also mention this is assuming Maniac mode. Many enemies have 1-2 range in PoR. He's fully capable of steam rolling late game if you invest in him, so he's good with some investment. Other units like Titania, Jill, Oscar, Boyd (has good 1-2 range), and Kieren can do what Ike does but better for most of the game. Ike only becomes a god once he gets Ragnell. This is why he's considered bad. He is reccomended to be used though, since it does make your life easier when pkaying. I too had Ike destroy when I played the game. My Ike had 20 Str and Spd at level 19 unpromoted.

[@Suprapika]

@ Alright well, fair enough if we're talking about super hard difficulties, usually I only play on normal. I tried doing Lunatic in Awakening, but that sucked ass so I stopped after like 3 chapters.

[@hazelv.a.7976]

@@Suprapika Lunatic in awakening is stupidly unbalanced and unfun, can't blame ya for quitting it. I never played it for that reason. Wanted to say that when discussing how good units are, using the hardest or occasionally the second hardest difficulty is the standard since that's where units are tested to their limits, and normal/easy difficulties generally can be beaten with ease using the worst units

[@Suprapika]

@ Makes sense. I only tried Lunatic because I still thought that Hard was too easy, because I literally just stomped through it with Chrom/Robin as a pair unit. If I ever go through an FE game again I'll try out hard mode, unless it's not unlocked by default.

[@snapplefaxs8704]

If memory serves me right, Ike is pretty slow for FE10, so it makes sense that'd he be a slow heavy hitting character. Also if you go by his FE10 growths, he has the lowest speed growths compared to the other FE characters in smash. Most of the Lords, other then Ike and the avatars, aren't really that hard hitting.

[@Suprapika]

Maybe I'm thinking like that because Ike's animations are fast, and he ends up doubling everyone anyway because enemy stats aren't very good. The concept of Fire Emblem's double-attacks in general probably throw off my sense of strength.

[@aaajeear8654]

Conpared to other playable units he is indeed on the slower side, but his speed stat is good enough to double most enemies. It's that classic thing about units having way overkill stats than what's actually needed.

[@screwtokaiba]

Yeah most Lord was a well rounder with good speed and high luck(to give them crit protection in theory). Ephraim(straight up godly stats spread), Hector(high str and top 2 def), and Sigurd + Seliph(low speed high across the board stats) was the only exception to the stereotype before Modern era where every character have relatively godlike stats compared to GBA Theres also like Marth to Leif era of Lord who can play to hit hard(3!Marth have the best offense in the starting roster) entirely because Shouzo Kaga have a sword obsession

[@esn_64]

If you want weird rpgs you can sink an absurd amount of time into, I HEAVILY recommend Wooden Ocean

[@Meshric]

So which crystal is the strongest if you can only use jobs related to it?

[@Suprapika]

Probably Water. Time Mage is the best job in the game because Haste/Slow/Quick/Meteor, Summoner gets awesome party damage AND great buffs with full party physical immunity and Reflect, Mystic Knight shits out damage and neutralizes many bosses with status magic (and can insta-kill the Almagest section of the final boss), and Red Mage means you get to cast twice as many Time and Summon spells.

[@alyssasalmon4883]

Water is by far the strongest, but fire is the most fun. Time mage with dualcast breaks basically everything

[@Meshric]

I like fire crystal geomancer is funny :)

[@Suprapika]

@ Geomancer IS funny, Quicksand is my favorite.

[@guidojacobs2002]

Have you ever tried an itemless monk run in a game? I mean no weapons, no armor, if you want to heal you have to use chakra, things of that nature. Plot/quest items excluded, of course.

[@Suprapika]

That kinda sounds like it would mega suck.

[@guidojacobs2002]

@Suprapika That's fair.

[@sipuraeinyard3279]

Stranger of Paradise mentioned!

[@maltheopia]

What about: Red Mage equipping Dualcast boosts their White and Black magic levels to maximum?

[@Suprapika]

Maybe not maximum, but AT LEAST to level 4.

[@Aeby2886]

I think Monk and Thief are both worse than Berserker I usually use Natural (which only makes Berserker worse, cause equip axes is pretty cool cause it gives anybody big strength, imagine a mage with the rune axe or something) and even then seeing Berserker means I got a solid damage dealer I dont have to fuss over too much that can instant death stuff, its always a welcome addition lol while thief feels basically useless most the game and monk just gets worse the further you go, even dancer while i acknowledge its power potential, is just so incredibly obnoxious to try and actually use cause the max health front row issue that i'd still rather see berserker i feel like

[@Suprapika]

Every job has its uses and situations, but Berserker not being able to use items, choose targets, or even something like change row if it gets Dynamo'd makes it incredibly unwieldy. Plus at least Monk and ESPECIALLY Thief have lots of great abilities to pass onto others.

[@GaIeforce]

I think I agree with Backlog Buster that Dragoon is objectively a worse class than Dancer. Dancer is still bad, don't get me wrong, but Dancer at least brings offense to the table. While, yes, it's inconsistent offense, it's still a lot more than what Dragoon brings to the table. Lances are a terrible weapon type except for one extremely niche use case (NED Dragon Part) and even that use case requires excessive grinding for a rare drop. Lancet is sometimes useful for restoring MP on a mage, I guess. And Jump doesn't help any of the classes except for _other Dragoons_ , and they naturally have that skill as their designated Job command. Meanwhile, Dancer brings the aforementioned Sword Dance, and and can give the entire party a free Ribbon slot, if they so desire it. IMO, status immunity and a 4x damage modifier command 25-50% of the time, and a way to ignore the Flee proc from Chicken Knife seems a lot more desirable when compared to what Dragoon has, honestly. Some semi-useful utility like Confuse (helps Blue Mages) and MP Drain (helps Mage classes) is a bonus. All Dragoon really has going for it is its statblock and better defensive gear. We clowned on Monks being dedicated Hi-Potion chuckers, but I honestly don't see Dragoons being very far behind in that aspect.

[@Suprapika]

It really comes down to what you value in this game, and I know Dancer vs Dragoon will be one of those arguments that can go on until the end of time. Dancer has much higher highs, and much lower lows, it's all relative.

[@burtblando8806]

Replace the Beastmaster with the Geomancer and I'd consider your party to the Worst Jobs playthrough, although I am a bit torn between Red Mage and Berzerker.. Catch/Release can get you through the World 2 Exdeath fight, since Shield Dragons use Almagest when caught and that's holy elemental. If you want a good jrpg soundtack there's Arc Rise Fantasia. As much as I enjoy that game I don't think you'd like it, though.

[@Suprapika]

If you go with Catch/Release as a world 2 Exdeath strat, 4 Blazes from the Magic Dragons are best because they instakill him. It's interesting that you'd consider Red Mage worse than Berserker though.

[@KarmaJolt]

Dragoon might be worst class, but it has the best sprites imo.

[@Calintares]

Sounds like several of these has arguments for being in the worst jobs category. Dragoon for sure and maybe monk and red mage

[@Suprapika]

All the jobs definitely aren't great, these jobs specifically usually excel in being synergized with other jobs in some way.

[@RoninCatholic]

No job capable of rod smashing can be a worst job, even if it winds up being a worst mage. Dragoon and monk are both arguably the worst for their respective crystals, as there are tradeoffs with their similarly lackluster counterparts.

[@Varrols]

Isn't this the second worst jobs and not the most mediocre? I would probably say Black Mage, Beastmaster, Mystic Knight, and Dancer for the most average. I'm not counting Mime since it comes so late.

[@Suprapika]

I feel like the Water Crystal jobs are either amazing or bad, there's not really an inbetween for them, and Mystic Knight I say is surely on the "amazing" side. But word choice aside, I do kinda want to do a run involving jobs that weren't in any of these videos, but we'll see what happens.

[@bl9048]

I always thought Halicanarus was a female? Also, Legend of Dragoon music is always appreciated. Love your vids.

[@Suprapika]

I know Backlog Buster calls them a girl, I just thought they were a very effeminate guy. Plus the wiki says "he" and stuff, I dunno, it could go either way to me. Also I don't think I used Legend of Dragoon music in this video, but that's a great idea. I'll have to keep that in mind for if I use Dragoon in any future runs.

[@leargamma4912]

I would gush about my favorite game series (Fire Emblem) but several people have beaten me to the punch about how bad PoR ike is. Funnily enough though, the wrath/resolve skill combo is way better and actually reliable unlike aether in path of radiance due to the activation rates being based on HP rather than luck. 50% crit is much better with boosted resolve stats than hoping for 3 aether procs in like.... what 5 turns? Statistically, if you don't account for probability doing it's natural thing, this will not happen on hard mode. So you will in theory always lose the black knight fight that aether plays a huge role for. Or is supposed to anyways.

[@Suprapika]

I do like PoR a lot, although that Black Knight fight is pretty fuckin dumb.

[@thelegendaryhunter0]

for music suggestions star ocean is pretty good as well as the y's series

[@thedeaderer8791]

What about a single crystal job series

[@nameless3556]

I'm like 95% sure you'd have had a much smoother run if you picked thief instead of monk. It boggles my mind that people keep saying thief is the worst when monk is right there. Edit: doubly so since you prefer having low levels and running away from most encounters (which I agree with)

[@Suprapika]

Under ideal circumstances, Monk can deal a lot more damage than Thief, but Thief is way more versatile. Just like Dancer vs Dragoon, it depends on what you value.

[@nameless3556]

I think they both do pretty mediocre damage, for the most part, although twin lances are pretty good for world 2. There's probably an argument to be made for Barehanded + Sword Dance, but relying on dances is never fun. And even then, I'd rather have a thief for the lamia's tiaras. Sorry if my tone was a bit harsh, the videos are great

[@Suprapika]

@ No worries, having discussions about the jobs is like, half the fun of this game in the first place.

[@fruitloops2058]

Ib appreciation noted

[@ClintonKE]

Red should of got level 4 but I guess that might have been broken to some...in a game already broken though to be fair. And yeah Bartz is treated wrong in ff smash bros.

[@Suprapika]

I think Red Mage getting Shell by itself would have catapulted the job up a few tiers, honestly. Everything else in tier 4 is great too, but Shell is way too rare of a buff.

[@ClintonKE]

@@Suprapika rare and good, not just magic defense after all. It also cuts the success rate of special moves in 1/2

[@Suprapika]

@ I definitely didn't know that, that's pretty sick.

[@DiegoG2004]

Why would Ranger be mediocre, it provides Rapid Fire.

[@Suprapika]

I mean it's pretty much in a similar boat as Beastmaster, it's not a great job aside from the one awesome ability it gets on mastery. Plus Rapidfire doesn't help a whole lot against bosses like Neo Exdeath.

[@RushStudios101]

Rapid Fire can be taken to other jobs, and given the relative weakness of Ranger itself, there's no reason to stay in it once Rapid Fire is learned.

[@Vulkypsin]

Another thing that should be considered is that Bows are a more varied weapon type than Whips and they both can use Chicken Knife cheese, so it feels like Ranger would perform more admirable. They also have Animals which can be used more often in combat than Catch/Release and is essentially a somewhat better Gaia since it can pull Nightingale for healing support.

[@DreadnaughtZero]

Thats like firing bullets from a slingshot. Sure it's a good projectile but you're using a rubber band instead of a gun.

[@Calintares]

one other trick Ranger has is the darkness bow, it helps against a couple of bosses, even the physical attack part of Neo Exdeath

[@Avenus112]

You play red mage to gain doublecast.

[@timothyernst8812]

Yellow dragons when released use a lightning elemental attack that inflicts max hp/4 damage. If you have capture/release on all four party members and everyone has a yellow dragon, you can end EX-death in one round. A lot of avian type enemies like Zuu have breath wing on release which is the same thing, but wind instead of lightning.

[@Suprapika]

I mentioned this to someone else, but yeah I'm aware, I used 4 Magic Dragons with Blaze to beat Exdeath in the level 1 run. I just didn't want to grind an absurd amount.