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@letstalkcaliber704 Жыл бұрын
If you forge your knife and don't know what you're doing it's easy to over cook it and ruin your blade.
@tylersharp5751 Жыл бұрын
It’s honestly pretty easy to figure out tho you have then internet it’s not the 1800’s so yeah you can but it just sounds like you did zero prep work in making a blade whatsoever and just said how hard can it be
@drdozer Жыл бұрын
@@tylersharp5751 just curiosity but have you ever forged a knife
@bloodgout Жыл бұрын
@@tylersharp5751you have no idea what you’re talking about
@WarriorInWaiting Жыл бұрын
Easy to "overcook" a knife? Buddy I've been working with metal my whole life and when it comes to blades its just as easy to fuck up the heat treatment on a forged blade made from a leaf spring as it is with a cut piece of sheet steel in the shape of a knife, it's all in the quench, you gotta bring that steel up to temperature either way and it's easy to mess up no matter what steel you're working with.
@tylersharp5751 Жыл бұрын
@@WarriorInWaiting This may be True but here’s the thing I have been powerlifting and variety of other methods for a decade that doesn’t mean by some method I have discovered the best way for everyone to lift and neither did Mike mentzer , you can be working with blades for 50 years how am I as a beginner to do anything but trust your words I cannot verify them if I am as you say below your skill level have you ever considered that maybe just because it’s easier doesn’t necessarily mean it’s best as metallurgy and working with metal are two different topics.
@whotubedyou Жыл бұрын
our boy brought reference material!
@blake0948 Жыл бұрын
Im a beginner blade smith and in my opinion if your forging your using found steel or pieces of steel that arent the thickness or length youd like so you make it into what youd like, stock removal is just the size steel you already want so you just cut and grind the knife no need for forging.
@madmax82988 Жыл бұрын
Sheesh I don't give a shitty dick how my knife is made as long as it's strong, sharp, looks decent, and holds an edge.
@Smartass-pl3nx8 ай бұрын
“I don’t give a shitty dick” that’s a new one!
@user-kb7pg9ip2e Жыл бұрын
Stock removal has been what I did for my first 2 and only 2 knives that I made, definitely easier to get behind the idea of that than heating it up and beating it for hours
@mr.lawless8235 Жыл бұрын
I really like forged blades very much..,.......I also feel the same about Damascus. I have several stock removal also that I have used for years with virtually no problems. ❤❤❤❤😊😊😊😊😊😊
@sleepingontheblacktop6053 Жыл бұрын
I’m glad someone that knows more than me finally said it. If I’m using forged stock to grind my knives from, doesn’t that mean the knife is technically forged? I’ve always been called stupid for using that logic. So thank you sir. Love your work!
@EODReddFoxАй бұрын
Thank you for specifying your starting stock. Stock removal on certain steel IS inferior to forging, but not rule of thumb. Starting on forged and/or formed stock is generally more than good.
@ezurth Жыл бұрын
personally i prefer forging my knives mainly just because i find it therapeutic and really like the look of hammer marks but at the end of the day it's just that, preference
@nicholasevans9627 Жыл бұрын
All I care about is quality, a good HRC and good heat treat. If a marker doesn't have the skill and knowledge to achieve the above, then I am not interested in their product.
@joshmajor8662 Жыл бұрын
I forge mine but your absolutely right Lol 😂 I just prefer to be able to say “I forge them” over I grind them 🤷♂️ haha
@edfab2873 Жыл бұрын
Grinding one out is better than beating one out. 😉
@calculatedsurvival Жыл бұрын
HAHA!!!
@kingming9712 Жыл бұрын
Ah you did a good one
@Barefoot-Jaycee Жыл бұрын
You win the internet today
@Mandalore06 Жыл бұрын
I'd have to judge that on a case by case basis
@jacobalstott93 Жыл бұрын
I beat one out almost every night 😅
@libruhmoment6387 Жыл бұрын
If I were a buisness I'd use stock removal for sure, but if I made a few for myself I'd forge the profile and stuff in, just makes better use of material at a smaller scale
@Hunting4Hookers Жыл бұрын
I just ordered that book! Thanks for the tip! I know nothing about making knives but desperately want to learn!
@zacholmes1532 Жыл бұрын
I forge my knives to about 70% or 80% because I enjoy the process and the nostalgia. I don't throw shade at anyone though for making knives in a way that works for them.
@matthiasthulman4058 Жыл бұрын
If you were just stamping these out with a machine, I could see the argument that it's not really "handmade" But cutting it out of a sheet, then profiling, adding edges/bevel etc, plus handles sounds pretty labor intensive to me. Almost like it's handmade. I don't know though, I make chainmail stuff not knives.
@mattsilvaarmwrestling Жыл бұрын
Saving passed down to the user. As long as the blanks are coming from a quality distributor.
@calculatedsurvival Жыл бұрын
I get my blanks from New Jersey Steel Baron.
@airbus7808 Жыл бұрын
Great analogy about the ingot.
@ItsCrap97 Жыл бұрын
Analogy? Did you just think steel slabs form in nature?
@Lukelikesmissiles Жыл бұрын
I have nothing but respect for you man, quality products and a quality videos.
@horvathbenedek3596Ай бұрын
Grain structure absolutely plays a role, but for a long, thin object like a knife the rolled sheet steel gives close to perfect grain structure. Forging can add to the strength of an object when it comes to complex shapes; this is why drop forging, if implemented correctly, can strengthen a work piece compared to traditional stock removal or casting. If instead of a knife you'd be making a halberd, we could make a case for a forged construction from a single piece of metal resulting in a stronger tool overall.
@mikedrop4421 Жыл бұрын
What kind of idiots think a dude in his shop can forge better quality steel than a multimillion dollar foundry? Lol. It's like the tamahagne makes the katana magical. Like um no, your Chinese HSS chisles from harbor freight are better steel than katana steel.
@Lexrexcustom Жыл бұрын
Excellent information my friend. Forged blades are cool, but not any different metallurgically from stock removal with modern steel.
@Entiox Жыл бұрын
They can be different metallurgically, but only because a lot of the modern super steels don't take to forging well and should just be used for stock removal.
@Lexrexcustom Жыл бұрын
@@Entiox sure, in that specific case the stock removal would probably be a stronger blade.
@autumn5592 Жыл бұрын
If properly heat treated, there's no difference.
@SonoraSlinger Жыл бұрын
I like forging mine. But I also like grinding mine. You're absolutely right, time and consistency are better on stock removal
@bradleycole2655 Жыл бұрын
The only difference is if a blacksmith does and heat cycles which do help the grain structure but other than that it's more a hobby than practical
@Sverd_Ok_Skjoldr Жыл бұрын
Forged knives are less consistent, have more imperfections, and are generally worse. That's what I like about them. Even in swords Tod Cutler makes purposefully imperfect blades, and that makes them more interesting and unique. Does Albion Swords make better swords? Yes.
@bloodgout Жыл бұрын
Do you want something that can tolerate high stresses and won’t have inclusions, cold shuts, delams or other flaws?
@crawbag0311 Жыл бұрын
Did I just stumble into a knife fudd argument! Let the battle commence.
@MikeRehfuss Жыл бұрын
The Fuddery is strong on this
@presidentmerkinmuffley6769 Жыл бұрын
Sadly this is knives not guns so it will only be a flash in the pan.
@Horde334 Жыл бұрын
I've grown to call them "uncle randy" the typical uncle or person who's only every carried gerber or buck fixed blades proclaims how great the buck 110 is and frequently rambles on about hunting or how your knife has never been used if it "hasn't skinned an animal!".
@jic1 Жыл бұрын
@@Horde334 Oh no, please don't tell me that the Buck 110 is about to become the 1911 of the knife world, and everyone's going to spend 10 years claiming it's garbage just because boomers in plaid flannel like it, before it finally becomes OK to think it's cool again.
@obssio Жыл бұрын
There's just something more personal about hammering the blade into shape vs cutting out a shape for me. That's why I won't do stock removal. But people who want to make mass prodo knives for easy money, more power to ya. Hell at least you know how to forge a knife.
@Cloudstrife1122336 ай бұрын
I like both methods. I have access to a lot of free steel that has to be forged out, so thats what i do, but i also enjoy buying dimentional steel and doing stock removal, especially if i want to make duplicates of a design.
@flemmingpedersen567 Жыл бұрын
For me it all comes down to how I buy it: If I go to a knife smith or a specialised webshop, I expect the blades to be forged and I know that I pay a premium for the privilege of having the makers implied "seal of approval". If I go to a survival store or department store etc, I expect it to be mass-produced stamped-out versions of the same blade, knowing that most blades will be fine, very few will be brittle and none will be outstanding.
@grandygm Жыл бұрын
I've made planty of forged and stock removal knifes. Grinding a knife out is faster and easier. Less of a chance for something to go wrong. Less skill is necessary. Forging uses less steel to get the desired shape but you have to pay for the fuel. If you don't screw up the heat treatment and have a little bit of skill you can make a good knife fairly quickly with a grinder. The reasons I like forging is the satisfaction of swinging a hammer and shaping a piece of 1085 in to a one of a kind blade. Both will make a good knife.
@appalachianoperator Жыл бұрын
The grain pattern aligns in the normalizing, quenching, and tempering process
@Joker-em6oz4 ай бұрын
Eh kinda? Forging has better grain flow but the difference on properties is negligible.
@manoflego123 Жыл бұрын
I have never made a knife, but I would rather trust the forging process to someone who knows what they're doing, AKA whoever forged the steel stock.
@pstrap1311 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, plate metal is very good material. The proccessing that plate goes through is one of the reasons a weldment is preferable to a cast part of the same dimensions. Plate is stress hardened by giant rollers which does indeed effect the crystalline grain structure resulting in superior mechanical characteristics. Cast metal in comparison tends to be less strong and somewhat brittle.
@pepegya5168 Жыл бұрын
i would trust a factory sheet grain structure to be more consistent than hand-forging. but then again it might not matter enough to have a practical difference
@kevinAuman1 Жыл бұрын
Actually it has been proven that stock removal blades are superior to forged because of the grain structure alignment the stock removal is able to hold an edge longer, be tougher and have more flexibility so anybody against them is just leaving more knives for me so im not mad 😂
@StuartSmithHandForgedKNives Жыл бұрын
I do both but forging is fun.
@Mandalore06 Жыл бұрын
I just don't see the point in paying hundreds of dollars for a "stock removal" knife. I'm better off buying Cold Steel or Esee if that's all you are doing.... The only exception I can think of is if I want custom work done and am willing to shell out for it.
@RovingRoninEDC Жыл бұрын
Laird Thomas!! The mind that brought us Magnacut !! Nice !! 🤙🏻
@jaylee56928 ай бұрын
Just got that book and I'm loving it
@Wilders53 Жыл бұрын
Cool. I see Jason Knight quite often around my town. He lives in Kingsport TN now. A cool dude
@housevollmer91064 ай бұрын
Forging a knife to shape just shows forging skills, it proves you can forge and did forge and people like that, some people like the rough hammered finish, it also allows you to make a knife with less waste material, or take small unusable pieces and make them usable again by forge welding them together, I think the “skill was dying” and now there is much more interest in the matter
@FrankLewis040 Жыл бұрын
What did they think the sheets of 1095 were? People act like it's cast material.
@Noone4207I03 ай бұрын
I dabble in knife making. You also make knives. What I have heard and I think it's all just bro science is that when forging it strips some carbons from the metal so a forge knife will have less carbon steel in it then a stocked reduction of steels where the same. I know if you over heat steel it grows the grain but in a forge knife you are going to normalize the blade twice before heat treating. Basically it's bring the blade up to heat treat temperatures then left to air cool they do they twice then heat treat to reduce any stresses or help correct the grain from forging.
@CurtisDavis89 Жыл бұрын
Stock will allow for more cost effective options, as forged blades can increase cost dramatically, and the time needed to make the blades!
@BobTheGodly Жыл бұрын
The problem isn't technicality it's what the customer expects for their money. If the customers don't like it they won't buy it. The knife guild can argue all day, but it doesn't line pockets.
@cryptotech3463 Жыл бұрын
I prefer hand forged because it creates a more unique blade and gives the knife a soul.
@LittleGreyWolfForge Жыл бұрын
And it’s more of a challenge as well
@slydoorkeeper4783 Жыл бұрын
Same, literally go out of my way to get hand forged because i can get more customization out of them and there probably aren't like 100 more of them minimum in circulation. Even on limited experience with a plasma cutter and grinder, I can make several knives in a few days machining knives. Forging, that may take a day or two just for one.
@bloodgout Жыл бұрын
None of that is true
@LittleGreyWolfForge Жыл бұрын
@@bloodgout what
@topfueljunkie100 Жыл бұрын
"Gives the knife a soul" what does that even mean? That's obviously not a useful metric for comparing the performance or even usefulness of knives. Do you just mean more aesthetically pleasing? I can see someone preferring that over a machined looked, but even then, one can mimic a forged look (or a less machined looked) quite well using various stock removal techniques so seeking out forged blades over machined leaves it being simply a matter of taste or personal preference. All fine of course, I just fail to see how one can argue it's any better or "has soul" and stock removal knives don't (again, whatever that means).
@WolfofSid64 Жыл бұрын
Hmm yes, the floor is made out of floor here. It's knives dude, if it cuts without snapping it's good enough for me!
@WolfofSid64 Жыл бұрын
@damonwright4532 Ok
@webkid4567 Жыл бұрын
@damonwright4532 Lol sure bud. You're just as simple as everyone else, you've just chosen different things to be "simple" about.
@judethenekogamer3651 Жыл бұрын
amateur blacksmith here yeah what he said is correct you dont need to forge if your metal is quality as is forging simply removes impurities which makes the metal better in that way but doesnt make good steel great steel from what i understand
@Joshcustomknives Жыл бұрын
I forge my knives because I enjoy the work. I will never shit on someone for stock removal, especially when they are in the business if selling knives.
@gnomewarlord8962 Жыл бұрын
People seem to ignore the fact that almost all steel stock isn't cast it's rolled which is basically a fancy way of saying it's forged by a machine into the dimensions and shape needed the only feasible advantage you would get from hand forging a knife instead of just cutting one out and putting a bevel and a handle on it would be a lack of internal bending horses which rolled steel almost always has anyone has ever worked with thick plate steel knows this as soon as you start removing material it's going to start bending and twisting and ways you really don't want it to all rolled steel is like that but it is almost completely unnoticeable on thin stock
@user-rr8yd4dc3t Жыл бұрын
I agree about quality of the knife that is out of question quality steel will be same forged or stock removal. BUT... The forged one is gonna have a soul.
@shorty808100 Жыл бұрын
working the metal really does change the structure i been throwing a screw driver into a wood table for about a month now it weighed 1.96oz's when i started it now weighs 2.167oz's the more i throw it, the steel compress's and becomes heaver its like shock peening push rods for a car, although stock removal blades can be decent i'm about to re-make a set of throwing knives out of 1/8 inch 5160, the mass produced ones i bought were 3/16's stainless steel and the tips were quenched too hot i'm gonna use a torch and do an edge/tip quench should make a good set
@Joker-em6oz4 ай бұрын
No it doesn’t. It doesn’t compress, and no your screwdriver doesn’t weigh more. You’re not god, you can’t magically create more mass out of nothing. Also what you’re describing is cold working. Density still doesn’t change though.
@NoffingMadders Жыл бұрын
I like forged knives because of the random hammer patterns, it gives the knives more character but smiths normally makes their knives look clean and perfect
@paulmccarter908 Жыл бұрын
Excellent content
@zakpeppers6594 Жыл бұрын
I feel I'd just like a forged knife. But, I'd like to forge my own knife.
@manjitahzan9577 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this information. This confirms my theory alright.
@morganblackheart9468 Жыл бұрын
Pretty much any mass produced knife such as ka bar, Becker, Gerber, buck, you name it, are definitely not forged.
@farmsgrace341 Жыл бұрын
One of the nicest FU and KMA"s I've seen😂
@res1dentcyn1c Жыл бұрын
I love that book. I have so many pages with sticky notes on them.
@tonarsilverwolf6485 Жыл бұрын
the impression made me think of uncle ruckus, well done sir!
@patrickbledsoe2176 Жыл бұрын
Cool video, I 100% agree with you
@northmanscall Жыл бұрын
Brother is talking facts
@CrowofJudgement461 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I was gonna comment on the other vid after seeing so many comments about “waah they’re not forged” and point out that forging already high quality steel can decarburize it if not done correctly, but didn’t want to deal with the inevitable shitstorm that would’ve been in the replies
@slydoorkeeper4783 Жыл бұрын
As someone who is a bit of a "forge snob", I'll also admit, you aren't wrong. I prefer forged knived, but so long as machined knives aren't prices the same as forged, I don't have an issue quality wise.
@plasticoflamingo2952 Жыл бұрын
I want the right steel, the right edge geometry, and the proper heat treat, for what I need the knife to do. I don't care if the smith is trying to win "Forged In Fire". If you stamp it from a sheet, as long as it meets the requirements, I'm happy.
@jerrythomas463 Жыл бұрын
I’ve used both methods. Enjoy both methods. They have their pros and cons. But one thing Jason says is just be a maker.
@dr.chalmers7923 Жыл бұрын
Love the impression! 😂
@jaredevers6459 Жыл бұрын
They’re right about one thing. Stock removal isn’t as skilled as forging and doesn’t deserve the same price and forged knives, because the process for forging a knife takes so much longer and experience.
@oasis6023 Жыл бұрын
I like forged knives since i feel like paying for a expensive knife is worth. But yeah forge, and these type of knifes dont make a difference just helps my conscious on wasting money ^^
@rhondanolen2223 Жыл бұрын
I been making knives since I was knee high to a grasshopper and in my day if you mine the oar it was hand forged
@linfraredl4906 Жыл бұрын
Unsure how knife steels work but I know for a fact that milled receivers are better than forged due to the stresses placed on the metal during forging
@Mr.PhillySpecial215 Жыл бұрын
"WHAT DID HE SAYYY" 😂😂😂
@jgray7857 Жыл бұрын
My only problem with stock removal is guys saying its a hand forged knife. And charging a hand forged price for it. Ive met some shady duds that do that. Im sitting there thinking you used a plasma cutter and a belt sander. Thats not what forging means. If you say its a hand ground knife, and charge accordingly, I have no problem with that.
@ebcm95____ Жыл бұрын
Only knife making I know is the forged in fire memes on KZbin. However, hearing that some people actually think home forged materials are somehow magically stronger than industrially forged that you buy and cut down has me flabbergasted.
@richardbrooksshnee Жыл бұрын
A well and properly forged knife is superior due to having larger carbides. Large carbides make a more reliable edge which you seem to be ignoring. D2 has better edge retention despite it having a weaker carbide because it has a larger carbide as compared to the supposedly superior vanadium carbide steels. Most metals are made from powder metallurgy which does not create larger carbides. Applied pressure aids allows for lower temperature carbide formation in heated metal and aids in the proliferation of larger carbides. A well forged blade will have larger carbides compared to the stock removal method, if both are made from the same stock. That said, those larger carbides are of less value away from the edge where the erosion of the vanadium carbide steel will be less than the D2. And while vanadium carbide formation begins occuring around 1000 C° from the reaction of vanadium oxides and carbon, the melting point far outstrips steel at 2684 C°, so taking advantage of the ability to force carbides together in a blade is going to take a very large amount of force to overcome the lack of temperature which would be easier in D2 as chromium carbides melting point is only 1895 C°. Forging allows a better edge than stock removal so forging being better is not a myth and the knives are not just as "strong". Forging a blade takes more skill and is extraordinarily more likely to be done incorrectly. That said, further and further from time of production the original edge means less and less and you really only want large carbides at the edge. When it comes to load bearing, the rest of the blade, smaller carbides are better. Cost vs benefit just throw D2 at it and cut off the excess. Only people that are willing to deal with the effort for the difference will probably make the blade themselves as opposed to pay for it.
@HeyItsFreeman427 Жыл бұрын
As an amateur bladesmith, while it may not do anything functionally, hammering out a knife from bar stock is helluva lotta fun
@kramsociety1223 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the education sir! Have a good fourth!
@jacobalstott93 Жыл бұрын
Probably stronger than hand forged because forged can have cracks and delams and any little imperfect can cause a blade to fail.
@Duckrabbit_Forging Жыл бұрын
I have no problem with people stock removaling knives. I just don't like it when they stock removal a knife then sell it as forged.
@iamcondescending Жыл бұрын
I have a design for my ideal camp knife, but to get it made would be like $3k. Or I could buy a bar of D2 steel, an angle grinder, a bunch of cutting discs, and a belt grinder for a few hundred dollars and make it myself... Think I'm going to make it myself.
@49perfectss Жыл бұрын
Honestly I just think forging them out is more fun haha. If I had to make money off of selling them I would totally cut them out instead.
@jesseholladay5862 Жыл бұрын
Personally i think a hand forged knife has more soul, but from a manufacturing standpoint it makes absolutely no sense when you have quality stock available.
@sethdunford6327 Жыл бұрын
you should do a blade test on one of the knives youve made yourself
@joeymaoz7855 Жыл бұрын
Can u please review the Gerber principle
@vandelftcrafts2958 Жыл бұрын
99% of knives are stock removal. It is cheaper, faster and mass production is just not possible with hand forging knives. even makers that usually forge will use stock removal when using damascus steel to not mess up the pattern in the steel. nothing to do with one being better its just cost efficiency. Also stock removal requires less initial investment and can be done in smaller shops.
@windykar3705 Жыл бұрын
How about casted knives? Are they stronger?
@CaptainHaHaa Жыл бұрын
well done mate
@jram7047 Жыл бұрын
The elephant in the room is that most customers buying from a custom shop / bladesmith are expected forged knifes vs sharpened blanks. If your hiding this fact I believe it's very misleading and shows low integrity. If your making knife blanks and sharpening / finishing them but your customers know this. It's all good. 99% of the knifes people buy are from a blank that a hammer never touched and they work just fine. I myself am not going to value the product the same either, hand forged vs sharpened blanks are not the same product. I can print a painting out or I can paint it... the one of a kind painting will have its own characteristics and its art.
@JohnDoe-yg6ed Жыл бұрын
Stock removal is def better if you’re pushing out a lot of knives per month and also don’t have the space for a whole ass smithing shop or time. Forging like hammer forging is better if you want a hammer forged finish obviously and if you just want to throw it in everyone’s face bc that seems to be all blacksmith do when they find out you only do stock removal. I can do both but I prefer stock removal because of time and like you said, consistent results . But when a full time hammer forging smith finds out all the sudden I’m not making my knives like a real man. Like duck off guy
@Smartass-pl3nx8 ай бұрын
Stock removal is fine, I would just prefer a forged knife.
@dads_diy3 ай бұрын
As far as quality. I think it depends on the skill and tools used either way. IMO forging is “more fun” because I love fire and I have loved beating things with hammers since I was a child. But I have made better looking knifes from a file than knives I’ve forged, once again skill and tools used.
@thedamned93 Жыл бұрын
So I guess some people don't consider benchmade, spyderco, Kershaw, zt, boker, essee ect. Real knives then? Weird
@ItsCrap97 Жыл бұрын
I always think that. Steel slabs arent just found in nature
@jb76489 Жыл бұрын
I also pretend something isn’t worth it when I can’t do it
@moshpitmachine Жыл бұрын
What I will say is this, and this is coming from just an amatuer blacksmith mind you. Every blacksmith should be able to forge a knife to completion. That being said with modern steels there is nothing wrong with removing material. As long as heat treat and normalization are all done properly you'll end up with a finished product that's just as good
@christopherr6480 Жыл бұрын
Amen!
@jasonstemley1232 Жыл бұрын
Sorry for my ignorance, but how strong is Damascus steel knives compared to forged and or stock steel?
@Joker-em6oz4 ай бұрын
The same or worse
@thespokenword6456 Жыл бұрын
A properly forged and heat treated blade is superior, that's the simple truth. However, a ground blade is adequate for most users, and another simple truth is that most 'knife makers' don't have the experience or knowledge to forge properly. Heating and bashing metal into a shape is not the same as being a Blacksmith.
@autumn5592 Жыл бұрын
What is the difference post heat treatment?
@thespokenword6456 Жыл бұрын
@@autumn5592 the grain structure of steel flows better when it is forged. If all things are equal- equal blade profile, equal sharpening, same kind of steel, proper heat treatment, then the forged blade will naturally be a stronger, more resilient blade.
@autumn5592 Жыл бұрын
@@thespokenword6456 When you heat treat a blade properly (normalize, quench, temper), then there is no difference in grain structure. Normalizing 'resets' the grain to being small and evenly distributed. Forming martensite then changes the shape and composition of those grains. Post heat treatment, you are dealing with a completely different grain structure than the as-forged steel. It makes no difference if the knife was forged or ground post heat treatment.
@Joker-em6oz4 ай бұрын
@@autumn5592that’s wrong. Normalizing doesn’t “reset” grain. The only way to do that is to melt the metal. The martensite still forms from the same grains as what the metal has beforehand. It’s very interesting actually. You’d think it’s a complete reset as you move from one phase to another but it doesn’t. I could fully austentize a piece of steel, cool it down till it forms pearlite and ferrite/cementite then reheat it and it would preserve most of the grain of the original austentized piece.
@strydyrhellzrydyr1345 Жыл бұрын
Honestly... To me... I feel that a forged knife... You should be able to ask more for... Like... Make 2 of the same exac shaled knives.. one you quickly grind out and build.. And the other you take your time. Forging the metal, stretching the metal and shaping it... Then finish grinding.. and building. The second one.. you can ask a decent more money for... Am i alone on this thinking????
@rodrigoruiz976 Жыл бұрын
Do you have to do any heat treatment after stock removal?
@calculatedsurvival Жыл бұрын
Absolutely!
@bloodgout Жыл бұрын
Of course
@rodrigoruiz976 Жыл бұрын
@@calculatedsurvival doesn’t that count as forging?
@asomnss Жыл бұрын
Stock removal is much more consistent, unless you have skill and experience forging you're gonna get a better result out of stock removal.