Are Games Getting Too Long?

final fantasy vii rebirth & like a dragon infinite wealth are both games that on a average playthrough can easily hit the 100 hour mark. not even doing completionist stuff. that sure is something! something id like to talk about
#yakuza #finalfantasy7 #finalfantasy #likeadragon #likeadragon8 #ff7

[@thorhighheels]

PATREON: bit.ly/3LIDh9C next videos gonna be on dmc2 lol. gonna be a wild time tbh. a wacky lil oment

[@kjhansonkjhanson6643]

Yes, you can have too much of a good thing

[@angelxskullz]

YIPPEEE!!!!!!!!!!!

[@jump_again]

i'll say it now: the lucia disc is underrated

[@InsanityPrevails]

yay dmc2 lucia is so cool c: and her devil trigger is really pretty ^u^

[@beat-man5167]

can't wait for infested HIND time

[@Jose-se9pu]

"this game is 120 hours long" went from a promise to THREAT

[@joaquindavidestepaperez619]

In the 90's we used to complain that some good games were too short. Guess now with more options people are more picky about the time they spend in a single game. Glad to have another of your videos man!

[@kadnhart6661]

It also helps that those people in the 90s were (generally) kids who now have families and full-time jobs

[@Rihcterwilker]

There's also the factor that most games nowadays tend to be open-world. When games were linear, we used to engage with meaningful content more frequently. Now we have to "search" for the good content in the game.

[@SaberRexZealot]

@@Rihcterwilker it’s definitely overblown now. I feel like every other AAA or AA title now has at least open-world elements and it can get exhausting. I mean, fucking Street Fighter is open world now! Bring me back those corridors FF13!

[@lilwyvern4]

@@Rihcterwilker Open worlds can work, but they're often shoehorned in with little reason. Games just being big was much more of a selling point 20 years ago when space and technical limitations were a lot more relevant. Now it often comes across as pointless bloat to make less content feel bigger. And I never want to climb another tower to reveal the map again.

[@DjinnandTonik]

Also people are busy adults

[@jackiespaceman]

I’m replaying FF4 again and yet again it amazes me how short that game actually is vs how massive it feels

[@maxwellkazemba2299]

I had the DS remake as a teen and let me tell you that felt as huge as X or XII for me, I wonder how long they are in comparison.

[@auraguardianred4771]

I will never forget listening to one of the lead devs of Spec Ops: The Line giving a GDC talk. He said that his team had six extra weeks to work on the game due to some publishing complications, and that they spent all of that time on trimming down the game to improve pacing. And it shows! It’s only a ~10 hour game but it’s incredibly well paced

[@kairumustdie]

Not a new game (even if a remake just came out), but I've been playing Persona 3 FES lately and it's had me thinking that if I was a teenager and this was one of like, maybe six games that I had access to back then, I'd probably really appreciate that this game is like 80 hours long. But there's way too many games (and excessively long KZbin videos) out there, there's only so many hours in the day, and I am waaayyy too bitter and old for this shit nowadays.

[@lan.goblian]

3 FES was kind of the final breath for me when it came to games of that length, i had just finished high school and was doing a part time job that led me to feel demotivated with a lot of the longer games i wanted to play, even 3 FES took a while and i only brought myself to finish it because a friend was there to talk with me and watch the game as i was playing through it. after that i got back into fighting games and arcade games and was more easily able to enjoy shorter bursts of gameplay rather than the longer stuff. i do hope i get my energy for longer RPGs back though because a lot of the new stuff looks amazing

[@kallamatko]

I also recently started FES after years of avoiding longer JRPGs. It was the perfect time for me to start it since Im on a break between jobs. But if I was back to working a regular 40+ hour week, I’m not sure I’d get through it. There are so many games that I want to play, old and new, that my attention is constantly shifting elsewhere. Even if the game I’m currently playing is good!

[@Rihcterwilker]

I think it helps that while is is long, you're always working towards something, be it social links, getting stronger for the boss, or advancing the story. And the calendar system works really well to give that sense of "something big will happen soon!"

[@TheOldYoungOne]

Honestly if it wasn’t for me having holidays around the release of FF 16 and 7 Rebirth it would’ve taken me forever to finish them

[@NoahWoodard-dn3kv]

​@lan.goblian Same, I mean, I've beaten 5 and xenoblade 2 since then, but those took me like 2 years a piece. I kept messing up with persona 3 and having to restart it but I enjoyed it so much, plus I was jobless and didn't really know what to do with my life. Ironically, after beating it, I got my first job and car. I think the message of the game helped me a bit.

[@Eltron92]

Goddamn dude i just love your writing style so much. The explanation of the first major open world zone in ff7r is genius. Explained the opening of the game exaxtly as i experienced it, but, just worded so uniquely. Never stop being you my guy.

[@Mad_Dak]

me clicking on this within a minute because thor objectively makes the best videos

[@ivanlopez5630]

Objectively? Yes. In reality? Yes.

[@akiinmoonlight79]

It's always the best content when he drops, every video from him is art ❤

[@ethanstiles948]

Facts

[@MatiasHettichCastillo]

All the other channels are just a means to pass the time until there's a new video here 😊

[@ArtsyFoxo]

This is definitely a valid topic to think on. Tbh I treat long games like how I read long books. It's all a matter of how you pace yourself (obviously skill/difficulty/getting sidetracked in-game/being efficient in game is a huge variable depending on the person). But for REALLY crude example. 100 hour game. 2 hrs/day every week? So it's like what, 14 hrs a week (if we talkin' MON-SUN). So that'd be more or less....2 months for a game like that? Of course again, I wanna reiterate that it's a very crude example. But it could help people chip away at a game instead of feeling daunted by having 4+hr game sessions getting burnt out. That, and using guides, I feel like people tend to get a bit stubborn with those but I feel like guides are an important tool for experiences like these if people just want to play and experience without watching some let's play or stream. Along with this though, I feel as if side-content shouldn't be included when it comes to a game being "too long". Because that's something the player **chooses** to do. Unless every gamer suddenly became a 100% completionist, ya can't get mad if you went out of your way to do stuff that is extra by nature.

[@siekensou77]

Also genre dependant. Despite replayability i probably wouldnt want to play a racing game for 100hrs even if i might do that in the lifetime of that game. But for rpgs, 100hr isnt bad tbh.

[@MuteCircle]

I sometimes think "games are too long" discourse is a little too shaped by people who's job is to play these games and talk about them. Reasonably so tbf, but it kind of ignores that most people aren't under pressure to burn through game after game for content reasons.

[@NavonDemhier]

You were recommended to me about one year ago and you have been a huge inspiration to me since. Your work and style is the constant topic of discussions I have with my only friend and you influenced what I play and purchase. You truely are one of a kind. I can't even explain it. You just think differently than most people. What you value and care about. And your videos keep getting better and are full of personality. Had to say that eventually

[@astrea555]

I sure I would like it if this clown world wasn't forcing me to be productive all the time.

[@Professor_Utonium_]

FIRE investing, retire at 40

[@aidanklobuchar1798]

@@Professor_Utonium_ You have to be lucky and privileged enough to be making in clear into six figures for this to be at all feasible. By sheer design, most people can't be at the evil (only so much of the pie is available for those who are not super wealthy).

[@Professor_Utonium_]

@@aidanklobuchar1798 There's also 20 years doing military, same result, set for life after that. Idk man, people want their cake and to eat it too. Gotta take a cut somewhere to make gains elsewhere. That's just life.

[@Vanity0666]

​@@Professor_Utonium_so true if you arent born on third base you should commit crimes for the government or else be a slave

[@zolyos]

Man…. I have a real existential crisis because of this I don’t wanna work for clown world

[@paradefantasy]

Please never stop bringing back Jack Garland. Future generations deserve the Chaos jumpscare.

[@BriahnAznable]

I super agree with your opinions on the bloat and I have a couple thought processes to add in 1. We basically had no choice for RPGS in the 80s/90s, each year had like one or two major titles and that was it. They were usually the longest styles of games (besides maybe strategy/simulation types) and a lot of them were super bloated due to random encounter rates/“mandatory” grinding. As they became more popular, I feel like one of the things they retained were long playtimes due to the subconscious feeling that playtime=more value/deeper plot and characters. Now that we have them as popular as they are, that leads to…. 2. We are absolutely fucking spoiled for choice nowadays and I think that makes the longer lengths feel interminable. In a world where I already know there are like 8 rpgs on console alone that I wanna play this year AND FFXIV Dawntrail, I’ve given up on 100%ing games unless I’m obsessed with them. There simply isn’t enough time. I’m not even factoring in all the shit I WANT to play but know I have no time for at all. As much as I enjoy the Yakuza series I had a lot of issues with Infinite Wealth the more I played it. I realized a lot of that was a “Me” problem since you don’t actually have to entertain half the stuff they throw at you but around the time I finished the bonus dungeons with both parties I felt that “what the fuck am I even doing” And what did I immediately play after? Persona 3 Reload and that was another like 80 hours 😂 It’s always gonna be one of those things where a game CAN be long and amazing, but with our modern live service/time of gameplay metrics based/dlc ridden landscape some games just truly never feel “beaten” even when they are already 100 hours long and that makes me long for shorter sweeter adventures over epic plots. Also every other game needing to be an open area collectible hunt doesn’t help at all. For instance, I liked FFXVI but it being open world basically did nothing for it. It was just a big open beautiful world of almost nothing. Give me a world map where I walk 20 squares to next town over endless amounts of open areas that have next to no tangible reason for collecting the same shitty items you have a trillion of already. (If you can resist running up to the shiny items on the side of the road in Yakuza, you’re a better man than I) It feels like a lot of these huge open worlds exist only so that you feel really good when you get fast travel and no longer have to see the areas you’ve been forced to plod back and forth through to play fetch quest/chat tag with npcs 😂

[@Professor_Utonium_]

You are absolutely frazzled if you think there were only "one or two" major titles per year in the 80s and 90s for RPGs. You're letting modern reviews and popularity paint an incorrect picture of the past. Wizardy, Might & Magic, Ultima, those three carried WRPGs HARD for well over a decade but nobody discusses them any more only because they don't have new games being made. It's a total error to think that RPGs haven't always been frequent and pivotal in large quantities.

[@BriahnAznable]

@@Professor_Utonium_ sorry, should have said from the perspective of a console gamer child who was born in 84 but I wasnt descriptive enough at the time. Didn’t have a pc in the house until 94 There just wasn’t many turn based RPGs I could even get a hold of if they weren’t ultra hyped. In 1990 English NES just didn’t have a huge chunk of turn based stuff, I can only think of Wizardry, M&M, DQ, FF, Bard’s Tale and Ultima 3/4. Probably are a handful more or I might even be wrong about the year of those, but those are the turn based ones I can remember off the top of my head If you were old/wealthy enough to have a PC, had a British Micro, or were a Japanese gamer then you definitely had a treasure trove of turn based RPGs. I’d be lucky if the local toy stores even carried RPGs because of the lack of popularity where I was in Florida, my parents had to drive like 30 minutes to the next town just to find a store that rented out DQ3 when it came out :P even Dragon Quest IV had to be special ordered from one of those weird ads in the back of a game magazine. Shit was better in the SNES/Genesis days for sure but that wasn’t until later, there was probably less than 10 RPGs on the console (depending on the vague definition of an rpg) until 93 though As far as those series go, Wizardry and Might and Magic have basically completely fallen off but I still see tons of people still talking about Ultima. Majuular has been doing a retrospective on them recently and he usually gets hundreds and hundreds of comments on them, good to see love for that series is still there! I’d suggest to check him out if you haven’t already come across him at this point 👍

[@Professor_Utonium_]

@@BriahnAznable Hey, thanks for the sizeable reply. I hadn't considered different markets and that's a fair point to bring up. I'm looking at the entire picture with the advantage of having the internet and all of video game history available to read. As a kid growing up in the early era of that sort of thing, you're right, things were a lot more limited in terms of availability. That too was dependent on what system(s) your parents would buy for you, or if you were lucky, something they also played lol Buying games was a total crapshoot, I also remember my parents driving me to go get something a town or two over because they either broke launch date early or were the only store to have even ordered the game at all. I haven't heard of that channel yet, so I'll definitely take a look. Like you said, always good to see some of the less remembered classics get attention in modern days.

[@Infindox]

When last week of June rolls around no other game gets touched lmao

[@SnakebitSTI]

You might also enjoy Michael Coorlim's channel. He does hybrid LP/walkthrough/review videos of old games, including the Ultima series. I like Majuular's retrospectives equally much, so not recommending one over the other.

[@sukamadik5983]

Oh this notification made my day, welcome back dude.

[@frogglen6350]

nah i didagree dude. Yakuza 5 can reach up to 100 hours if you don't skip text amd do side quest. I did Saejima's bear hunting side story. That took me 2 days since zi have a job

[@eW91dHViZSBpcyBjZW5zb3JzaGlw]

me too, hunting bears in that gave me a deep appreciation for wildlife. also fucc bears.

[@mikgenta]

Yakuza 5 > 8 anyways

[@mikgenta]

(Yakuza 8 is still p good)

[@EmpireAnts42]

That did make me scratch my head haha Yakuza 5 is so much longer and more dense than 8 imo

[@samuelheddle]

Yakuza 5 is the best one specifically because it has the most side bullshit to do, and Yakuza games are as good as their side bullshit. that's why 6 is the worst

[@marloges]

Lame answer, but there just isn't a correct answer to that. If you have more free time you can tolerate longer games more easily, if you're vibing with the game it might as well just go on (never wanted Rebirth to end, lol) and depending on the release window it can also be tough to concentrate on a title when the next thing is already around the corner. I think we should all just try not to force to beat everything immediately ... The next FF, the next mainline Yakuza surely isn't coming out any time soon, so might as well savor what we got for now.

[@Alex-ip1dn]

I give my life, not for honor but for you! That MGS3 joke got me 🤣

[@Encyclopedia_Brown97]

There are so many great games (Red Dead II, FF7R, Like a Dragon) that I’ll just never experience because I don’t have the time. I love gaming, but the older I get, the more of a drawback the time commitment is. I think that’s why I’ve really started to gravitate towards retro, indie, and 3DS games so I can just pick up and play for a few minutes at a time

[@FAH_26]

RDR2 can be as linear or as long as u make it focusing on the story, and playing through it is easy and not that long, but if u decide to 100%, then it'll be very long. As for FF7, if u mean remake, then it's not that long unless 100%, but even then, it won't reach 100 hours. If u mean rebirth, then yeah, it's very long. Even if u skip side quests and all the mini games, it's a very long game.

[@frogglen6350]

I felt like yakuza 4 and 5 were way too long but i had fun

[@samuelheddle]

that description about robocop's structure and length reminded me of how The Darkness was laid out on the 360 and man, that game was just so dang good. i can take the occasional ff7r if we get multiple The Darknesses per year

[@ErichWK]

You know what isn't long enough ever? Any Thorhighheels video.

[@chrisdaughen5257]

21:28 I haven't played Yakuza 8, but what you just described was what I thought of FFXVI. The story has you constantly going back to the same three maps to check in on NPCs to see if they have side quests and party members hardly participate in them. It's a lonely game.

[@OfficialDjTalksick]

Yakuza 9 needs your party to do other things when it comes out it would be super nice if you did a side quest and your party member wants to help them or something

[@slurplie]

dude, “What?” from FFV is such a perfect silly guy song for this video. I’ve been on a kick looking back at pre-X FF titles. They’re all so good. So small yet they FEEL so big. I’ve seen so many people say the same about original VII. You look at the simple open world and think “oh how cute,” but the shit that happens in the world makes the scope of the adventure big and exciting. It fills up the 20-40 hours of gameplay with SAUCE. Enough to feed you well. You don’t need 100 hours to feel satisfied.

[@LoganKeatts]

the only time Rebirth's world expansion and side content got overwhelming to me was when I wanted to barrel through the story! Gongaga happened and a switch flipped in my brain where every side content was going to have to be done later because I needed to see where the story was going lol I can see how the extra stuff annoyed players but it never annoyed me- just made me feel a twinge guilty for pushing on ahead

[@Omaru1982]

Gongaga was my flip switch too, but the map itself annoyed me and I was just dreading more interactions with Chadley to go kill more creature under x/y conditions. I ended up uninstalling it. Ironically I swapped to Infinite wealth which I ended up loving even though I hate the overall story (but lol on the 'white guy' who has the most broken english of any character ever.) I've had slight inkling to start afresh and just ignore all the side stuff but I haven't booted up my ps5 in close to 2 weeks now.

[@MarineBogologist]

I think the issue with long games is more of how fast people want to consume entertainment nowadays more than the game having too much to do itself. like of course there's bloat and things can be cut down optimally to an extent and not every game has the type of side content quality as Rebirth has, but also do you need to play the entire game in "one" sitting if its a longer game? rebirth is about 200+ hours to 100%, around 100 to do all the side stuff with the main story but its only 24 hours comparitively if you rush the main story. Should games really cut down on the optional stuff if you can pick and chose your own experience for how fast you want to finish things? Especially if the only thing stopping you from playing everything to your hearts content is work or school or w/e sucking up all your free time? you kinda have to accept that that type of game just isn't for you then if you have a mighty need to 100% things but they shouldn't cut back just because of that. Do you even need to finish it at all or within a certain time frame for it to still be a good experience? you can always come back if you really want to know what that optional mini game was like, heck there's going to be at least 3 years between now and the last title, why do you need to crunch all that gameplay into a month just to move on to the next thing. idk it's a good critique don't get me wrong. Most games of this size try to force scale but fill it with no substance just to increase their prices, and Rebirth isn't without its valid criticisms relating to the quality of some of the minigames but id rather have a game like Rebirth that i can chose to do or skip most of the content (even if it is really good and hard to pass on) than pay 70 dollars for a shorter experience that gives me time to play the next big 70 dollar short experience just because its faster to complete. I'm not a content creator or a 100%-er, hell i barely finish most of the games i play, im more of an mmorpg person, i still enjoy every moment in them though and they're all worth the purchase! This was a great video though! Very entertaining, I was just reading the comments and was reminded about my thoughts on this when I first heard of the "rebirth has too much content" and "the platinum was too hard!" comments these past couple weeks lmao

[@Rihcterwilker]

Dragon quest 9, on the DS in 2009 required 750h to be fully completed, and that being lucky with some rng and knowing what you're doing.

[@TheConuresrule]

Ain't no one doing that. Lol

[@mthwr]

i mean i sometime like to have a short game to play and finish in a day, but I love the longer the game is if the content is fun like yakuza, but I still remember ff remake 7 starting from the sewers chapter... it just gets longer and longer for no reason other then having a filler to add the total time of the game which sucks. love the content keep up the good work!

[@jasonblalock4429]

OK, I'm guessing not many people will recognize the Shenmue "Tomato" music near the start, but I see you. But as far as LAD goes, I do think the newer *maps* have gotten too big. I miss the intimacy of Kamurocho and Sotenbori, of coming to know every single shop and every street name. Someone says to meet them outside the Poppo on Showa St, and I know exactly where to go. And vehicles weren't necessary! Too much of my time on the Ijincho and Honolulu maps was spent just cruising by generic buildings on the way to the interesting parts of the map. To me, that started making those games feel a bit tiresome by the end. I'd really like to see them go back to the Yakuza 5 thing of having several smaller cities rather than one huge city.

[@Toto0848]

Positive yet fair and unbiased review of Final Fantasy VII Rebirth and an EarthBound reference? 10/10 video 👏

[@waifuwilson6061]

I just know that the Kiseki series would be right up your alley.

[@DarkIceKrabby]

I knew that Snake Eater bit was gonna happen, and it still got a chuckle out of me.

[@EnigmaticGentleman]

I just wanna see more games like Kirby and The Forgotten Land, short and intensely focused experiences that lay off with the plot (until Kirby fights a parallel version of himself fused with the Grim Reaper ofc) and let the gameplay speak for itself.

[@colinedgar6742]

29:42 "I pegged back in December 2022" ok that really came out of nowhere

[@Jibab53]

I just realized Thor has the same cadence as Xavier from Xavier: Renegade Angel

[@alessandrobaggi6129]

🤣👍

[@OfficialDjTalksick]

My problem with 8 is that ichiban had literally nothing to do with the games plot cuz he’s just ducking around the island doing nothing and the plot just happens to him It really feels like they only had enough material for kiryus story and the new characters but completely forgot about how to make it make sense

[@Drstrange3000]

It was really great until ((spoiler)) Kiryu went back to Japan, splitting the game up making it a slog to play))

[@DontHaveToTakeMyWord]

I really love the comparison between FF7R and Yakuza here, because I do think there are different types of 'longness' in games. I thought about Dragon Quest 7 on PS1 during this video and how that was so glacially slow and how 100 hours in they were still introducing new party members and I just had to stop... but, I've played other games for as long or longer and didn't feel remotely the same frustration. There's always been long games, maybe it's a different kind of long game, but it still comes down to how the game is in the end

[@onyxwaltz8140]

I am currently in the middle of replaying Remake and getting frustrated by the pacing so it feels super well timed to have a video like this pop into my suggestions! I feel a little more excited to pick Rebirth up once I do the Yuffie DLC!

[@vvav]

I haven't been following the FF series since FF12 way back on the PS2, but watching this video makes me wish the FF7 remake had more stylized graphics instead of these realistic graphics. Maybe I'm just getting old but some of the characters look really jarring to me in high resolution.

[@The_Prizessin_der_Verurteilung]

I used to find Square's characters weird too, they tend to make characters as normal as possible then get to the eyes and decide "SATURATION 5000%" for seemingly no reason. It always looked incredibly jarring and off-putting at times.

[@chaosisnthere]

yo I feel you on not being down to watch movies due to having no vested interest/hard to concentrate on them. my buddies were just talking about how I dont watch shows, I only play video games. I said its cause then I'm doing something instead of sitting passively. eh, endless video games for me

[@Vanity0666]

The problem with movies and tv is that they have long been catered towards the lowest common denominator viewership whereas games at the very least allow you to experience the narrative as an active participant in its events. I find many movies and tv shows to be extremely poorly written and directed on average these days. Average literature is even worse though.

[@j.2512]

its because you have crippling ADHD

[@j.2512]

@@Vanity0666 or you don't really know anything about cinema and think its all the MCU

[@Infindox]

I feel the same way. I *do* watch things, but it's always while I'm doing something else. I don't like sitting down and just watching something.

[@caseydorris6758]

I have the opposite problem I love watching movies, dark artsy films. And can watch them all day long and feel I connect to them and get a feeling from them. Sitting down to play games 99% of the time feels like I’m wasting my time and moving a character from one place to another for no reason. I tend to enjoy more story driven games for this reason metal gear solid, silent hill 1-4 nier automata hellblade senua sacrifice etc etc

[@michelletyler9161]

Always thoroughly enjoy your videos, thanks for your efforts :)

[@colfdralegend]

jsyk, in Infinite Wealth, you can upgrade the segway battery by buying more batteries, mainly pawnshops I did not find this out until after I beat the game

[@Unquestionable]

Yeah I spent about a month playing through Infinite Wealth when it launched, took me a touch under 80 hours with only messing around with some of the side stuff. I started up Rebirth after, having come out a few days before I wrapped up IF,and yeah currently on a break after 30ish hours. Loving it but yeah long as fuck and with a full time job, a relationship to maintain, a house to take care of, and a cat who demands play time I'm amazed I even manage to finish anything. Now if I was about half my current age this would be amazing but as is I kinda need a cool down period anymore. Hell I still have Persona 3 Reload and Unicorn Overlord sitting here unplayed yet as I've been playing more casual stuff.

[@JohnnyCProduction]

Great video!!!! This discussion is similar to one I had not too long ago about how people will use the game length as a means of what games they purchase. For me personally I really don’t have the time to play these newer games that take 50 + hours to finish. I still gravitate towards games in that are under 20 hours. I just know that I will be able to experience the game. A lot of longer titles for me I do feel overstay their welcome way too often. Death Stranding is probably my only exception since that game is more of a work of art than just a videogame and Kojima is just an interesting artist in general. 2 recent games that I played that too long ago were Resident Evil 4 remake and Lies of P which were around the 20 hour mark which was awesome and I played both of those game multiple times just because they are so good and hit the sweet spot for me.

[@makeitthrough_]

I reference the Bouncer narrator line way too often, so that bit got me

[@Justachamp772]

Dude really used Shenmue 1 Tomato Convenience Store Music at 0:17 and thought we wouldn't notice, as a dude trying to study all the games you played and the ones which seems genunely interesting, I will one day get to your deep knowledge of it, I have played Shenmue 1 and 2 for the sake of it and see how much Yakuza series evolved from it.

[@HappyFoxxes]

The only reason that they made FF7 Rebirth so long is because they attempted to correct everything wrong with FF7 Remake in one shot. It's chalk full of filler content that just makes it a mess of an experience that lacks focus. If it wasn't obvious enough with removing the remake title now its just like attempting to build a big house on a weak-rotten foundation.

[@jebus9001]

nah lol

[@Unquestionable]

Like most of the content in Rebirth was in the original already just expanded on here, even the fucking dolphin part (thankfully cut the CPR mini game).If I wanted a one to one remake I would just fire up one of the half dozen versions easily accessible in the modern day.

[@HappyFoxxes]

@@Unquestionable Yeah and that's why its under preforming in the nation that birthed it and everywhere else right now? People buy the same thing year after year, want the same films year after year and this expands to video games. Battlefront is the same game, Street Fighter is the same game, and Bethesda games are the same game. The only thing that may shift is the narrative. FF remake and rebirth were rushed, under developed products that has confused more and turned off many.

[@HappyFoxxes]

@@jebus9001 They took away the title "remake" becuase they know they are no longer shooting for a remake.. if it wasn't on the nose enough, so now its just filler and fan fiction. We can't even compare this to anything in a major fiction title that did this and was successful. There's a good reason for that.

[@HappyFoxxes]

@@Unquestionable everyone wants a one to one remake of their favorite game movie or film, the fact that you are preforming a mexican hat dance around that without being able to name any IP what FF7 remake or rebirth did to its success and praise tells the story.

[@msx6800]

Getting 100+ hours for the 70 bones games cost now is fine in a dollars to donuts sense but I'm finding that I just get burnt out around hour 60 even if I'm enjoying the game.

[@Vanity0666]

Thats a pacing problem. A game that's 100 hours in length has to be paced in a way where there are peaks and valleys of content where the valleys serve to shuttle the player towards larger exposition moments, followed again by downtime and character building.

[@SnakebitSTI]

I don't think hours alone is a good way to judge it. I'd rather spend $70 for a 20 hour game I really enjoy and think fondly of afterwards than for a 100 hour game that was just pretty okay. I don't often find myself wishing games I like were longer.

[@Ocean5ix]

I don't think the runtime is the problem, but the pacing and delivery of the story. A good example is the recently released Yakuza Infinite Wealth, you spend the first 50 hours of game looking for someone through multiple tips and clues and you reach the middle of the game without actually finding the person..... so you pretty much go anywhere for the entire first act. Witcher 3 suffers from the same problem, half of the game is looking for Ciri. I love both games but there's just something about games that give you a main quest for the long term and the story takes dozens of hours to actually progress.

[@dorianhinkle5595]

Drawing the line from D&D to everything becoming more RPG-y is an inspired piece of analysis.

[@hemangchauhan2864]

GTA6 will unfortunately have an impact on how people view games and "content" once it releases. And it'll likely not be good.

[@jebus9001]

Rebirth is a fucking bop. Your point that it was so fresh that it never had time to feel stale really rang true with me. Had a blast and felt perfectly content with it when I finished the story.

[@joystickgenie]

I am glad I am not the only person who has that Tekken Force "Chicken" sound effect burned into my memory and have it play in my head every time I see a chicken in a game.

[@greenhowie]

They're no Ball in a Cup, that's for sure.

[@love_otter]

Wow these games hit me the opposite: I could have played Infinite Wealth for even longer than I did, and the open world and general slowness of Rebirth actively killed my playthrough like 70 hours in.

[@Infindox]

I think my issue with games atm is I HAVE TOO MANY OPTIONS AND NOT ENOUGH TIME. Just counting *this month* i have Little Kitty Big City, some random indie games im interested in, and of course TTYD remake. Next month is Elden Ring dlc and Dawntrail. But on top of all that is games i still didnt even finish yet....

[@Nou-Kous]

Duuuude, i was thinking the same when i completed FFVII rebirth recently ahah. As much as i love this game (one of the best Final fantasy ever in my opinion), 100Hours+ beating a game is getting way to much for me.

[@kei7540]

You did side content? If so that's on you

[@megakoni1]

No. All the good materia is stuck in side bullshit ​@@kei7540

[@NisekoiARG]

not really sure about games being long nowadays, but what i'm sure about right now is that what i considered a nice 100 - 120 hours run of a JRPG like 10 years ago, i'd consider it a drag these days and would pretty much avoid playing it

[@hemangchauhan2864]

My interactions with younger, newer gamer types is they don't mind this stuff. They actually like lot of content and love going through it. It could be, this overwhelming feeling is mostly coming from experienced gamers.

[@GameDevYal]

I remember it being a thing back when I were school age as well; when you have too much time and no money it's really nice if your game will last longer. Tons of games back then had separate multiplayer modes and minigames trying to out-value-for-money each other, even if they weren't all that great.

[@SerfsUp1848]

Oh god your so right about large worlds, if you want an amazing example of small world wide as a puddle deep as an ocean feeling, i just finished my first playthrough of vtm bloodlines. A 20 year gaming experience in the making and my god its world building is so beautifully compact and great. Kinda like deus ex mankind divided its just so good when devs can just cram as much story and detail into a smal space and really immerse you. I liken it to die hard or the dredd movies.

[@radicalcentrist4990]

I prefer the type of games that feel big and long, without actually being that long to complete. For example GTA 3 and Vice City definitely felt like big and long games but they only actually take like 30 something hours to get 100% completion. Even the later GTA's only take like 50 hours for 100% completion. Older BioWare RPG's are also about the same. 100% completing Star Wars KOTOR is like 35 hours, Dragon Age Origins is around 50 hours, Mass Effect 1 is also like 35 hours and 2 and 3 are around 45 hours. Even the older Assassin's Creed games like Ezio's trilogy, 100% only takes like 30-35 hours per game. And by 100% completion I do mean completing everything the game has to offer. Not having an open world/RPG game go over 50 hours is preferable.

[@DeadBoneJones]

I feel like length is kind of orthogonal to the main thing that matters, which is *density*. A game can be short or long as long as for its entire length it feels like there's variation and progression. Most of the time when someone says a game is "too long" what they mean is that it feels padded or repetitive.

[@edgarvm9914]

a Thor vidy on (local) labor day feels like a gift :,) (also that may be the most accurate assessment of yakoozie 4 I ever heard)

[@Djamp_htx]

The Goblin enemy is the design from 7 OG, not 9

[@Basedguy1]

I've been playing Sand Land lately. As I play, I keep thinking to myself "this is a thor game"

[@musicenjoyer4203]

3:24 I loved this moment of live commentary. Gives a nice dynamism to the format of the video.

[@MaxDrawsStuff]

The size of AAA games is the reason why I prefer indie games. In most situations it's self-contained experience in 5-20 hours, than I can casually beat in a week. Huge budget games superfocused on how huge they are just feel too bloated, and sometimes it's like work to me, and I don't want another work.

[@j.2512]

3 hour long walking sims about depression with no gameplay

[@Kaeloz93]

while AAA games have become a pain for so many reasons i don't want to list right now, the length of them is also a problem most people don't know how to address, like i could have played so many AAA story driven games that i decide not to bother do to the fear of the game wasting my time until i rage quite mid story, God of War Ragnarok as much as i would have loved to play that game i end up watching someone else playthrough and im glad i did cause that game paths itself with so many contradicting side quests, wasting your time that at some point i zoned out

[@Trixiethegoldenwitch]

I feel the same way about movies. I feel a need to constantly force myself to pay attention, and if there's not a constant payoff for that effort it gets hard to care quickly.

[@Professor_Utonium_]

Congrats, modern technology has fried your brain

[@SnakebitSTI]

I think it's a sliding scale. Something that I find really engaging, I can spend a lot of time with. Something that's merely "fun", there needs to be more novelty or I'll get bored of it and go find something else. It's hard to commit time to something I'm only kind of enjoying when there are seemingly endless other options for entertainment. On one hand, it's hard to enjoy otherwise good stuff that just takes a while to get going. On the other, I can remember spending a lot of time bored out of my mind when I was younger because I didn't have access to seemingly infinite content thanks to digital game stores and streaming services.

[@genyakozlov1316]

Do like my niece and text on the phone in the downtime.

[@redalchemy7322]

FFIX Beanie Goblin is not just a character, it's a mood

[@Greetanate]

Im like oh yeah this is the guy who made music for the fucking picture taking game i never finished, hell yeah

[@TacoDiceCosas]

I also played this games back to back with 100+ hours each. And I was very impressed with the amount of fun I had with both of them, because I'm not very fond of open world games. I was never bored with any of them, but I had this feeling that FFVII Rebirth respected my time more. More a feeling than an objective thing, If that make sense. I don't want all the games being this big, but I'll be glad if every big game is like this two.

[@maxxxamt]

I’m from Hawaii and it’s pretty crazy how accurate the Waikiki maps are that’s pretty much exactly how it looks in real life

[@karlklein2263]

I was not prepared for the overblood 2 music. Holy shit

[@kiryubelmont3222]

I feel a switch in tone with your videos. I really loved this. Nothing of the outside world and its problems to be found. Just pure video game sheeyat. Appreciate you!

[@lc3212]

I feel the only problem to the idea of long games in general compared to growing up in the 90s is time. Especially today when so many games comes out indie low budget AAA, mp seasonal content. Some may not mind spending a couple hrs every night playing the same game for 6 months to beat it but then there’s gamers like me and my friends who like to at least try every game we are interested in (if we can afford it lol)

[@marting1984]

By the by, that Last Battle Sega Genesis soundtrack is AMAZING!!

[@onomee130]

"its so big 😲😲" my female classmates seeing how much time ive spend on baldur gate 3

[@ballandpaddle]

Texas Rufus my roof ass. That's just Jake Generican the Gosh Dang Amurrican wearin' a coat, dag nabbit. Whatever happen to that guy anyway? Things go awright with The Translator? Need a sequel to that I reckon.

[@zacharystewart4394]

From what I've read, the average playthrough time for reviewers on FF7 Rebirth was around the 50 hour mark with 100+ hours coming from completion runs.

[@williansnobre]

FF7 could take around 40 hours to complete, I personally would take around 80 hours because I enjoyed wasting time in it just fooling around. The remake suffers a little from bloating of the good, the bad and the unhealthy. Good is most of what involves the main cast. Bad is when the Kingdom Hearts looking characters like Chadley waste the player time by existing. And the unhealthy is the unnecessary amount of details and bloat of complexity which could be cut to a quarter and the game would still be good. It is a common thing with big developers, too much time, money and crunching hours are put on things that are not important, which leaves less resources for the important/noteworth aspects and hurts the pacing. And of course the obsession with bloat and unnecessary upscaling everything leads to a game that could have greater reach being stuck on the PS5 when PS3 looking graphics would be enough.

[@spearmintneighbor2948]

I think you'd LOVE Baldurs Gate 3. EVERYTHING is charming, (almost) every little quest interesting with twists and turns and absurd possibilities for emergent gameplay, I've NEVER played anything like it. Even for someone who can't stand complicated UI's, this one won me over from sheer personality and made me want to learn how to play it better. That said, it has consumed like a year of my life, so be wary, as it is THE time sink of time sinks if you let it be.

[@j.2512]

everything in that game is queer and everyone is trying to fuck you, i hate BG3

[@fiskburk2908]

I love that I know that when a ladder appears or there are silent moments I know the joke about MGS3 or Sonico "Woah!" will come, and every time I laugh

[@cartoonvideos5]

Ah Chitose in the thumbnail? Already a good start.

[@McMarioG]

Haven’t even watch the video yet but yes yes yes they have. Spent 300 hrs on tears of the kingdom and honestly it was not a justifiable experience

[@Slater2113]

I beat that game in under 50 hours.

[@McMarioG]

@@Slater2113 I don’t even like to use fast travel so

[@ay9lx]

I have to ask: Why did you play it for 300 hours?

[@McMarioG]

@@ay9lx just taking it all in and living the adventure

[@ay9lx]

@@McMarioG Did you enjoy your time with the game? And can you elaborate on what you mean by a "justifiable experience"?

[@arisumego]

16:53 visions of a better game

[@NoName-mb7ng]

I’m 32 hours in on FFVII REBIRTH and I’m barely on chapter 5. I haven’t played it in a month because of burnout 😂.

[@Dragonfury3000]

100 hours in and ps5 says I'm at 60 something percent

[@spatchmo6938]

It took me over 100 hours to finish Rebirth. There are way, way too many minigames, and too many of those minigames are terrible. I would have rather had a 45ish hour game without so much filler

[@NoName-mb7ng]

@@spatchmo6938 @Dragonfury3000 Jesus I’ll probably never finish this game lmao. Yeah I’ve heard the mini games get tedious later on. What I’ve played I really really love, but I haven’t even gotten Yuffie as a party member yet so I know I’m a loooong ways away. I’ve heard it’s better to just move on with the story rather than 100% a new region, but It’s so hard not to for me lol.

[@Dragonfury3000]

@@NoName-mb7ng I'm taking slow and enjoying the exploring. Really enjoying this but to avoid burnout I switch between other games. I do the areas 100% and look for lore/references in between stuff. Also looking forward to the hard mode I know a guy that says that's quite challenging.

[@Dragonfury3000]

@@spatchmo6938 Those are actually some of my favorite things about the game. Queens blood, chocobo racing and Fort condor are really good. I'd wish yakuza games had such good original mini games.

[@tcg2717]

Like a dragon? More like, like a DRAG ON AND ON AND ON

[@RuYevon]

Damn how he feels about yakuza is really how I feel about rebirth. It's just wayy too big and the story and characters not strong enough to match. And the size is the thing that puts me off every yakuza game haha 😔

[@ciizan.3122]

I don't even play videogames anymore, but still watch your vids :)

[@Dragonfury3000]

As long the enjoyment is there is all good.

[@Darkbeatdk]

I’m in the same boat. Played Like a Dragon IW for 80 hours, went straight into FFVII Rebirth for 10 hours but dropped it momentarily to play Dragons Dogma 2 and Helldivers 2 for 40 hours each and I’ve been so. burned. out. on. long. games. now. Took a break some shorter games like Winback 2 and 007 Quantum of Solace and now I’m (finally) playing Parasite Eve. Made it to disc 2 and I’ve only played it for 6 hours. Delicious! Might get back into Rebirth soon, but… still need a longer break with short games.

[@Darkbeatdk]

Sidenote: When they remake Parasite Eve I bet it will be at least 50 hours as well, but I wouldn’t mind a Yakuza-detailed New York City.

[@awsomeboy360]

You're playing equally long games back-to-back. Mix it up a bit, play a shorter game.

[@smergthedargon8974]

@@Darkbeatdk If they remake Parasite Eve it'll be terrible - a compressed rushjob like R3make.

[@FoNgThOnG]

I honestly felt like Infinite Wealth wasn't long enough. The side quests were all fairly fun and interesting and after beating the game, I felt like there needed to be more. Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth on the other hand, was stupidly long with all the side quests that gave you terrible rewards and/or was just plain boring. I eventually just skipped them and finished the game.

[@brandonburton5928]

Hol up My kneegrumps got a Ristar track in the background?! Yeaaaaaah, we eating gooooood tonight

[@gilardes]

I have around 160 hours in the Witcher 3, pretty much close to a thousand hours in Grim Dawn and way too much time invested in Mount&Blade Warband (half of it in single player and the other half in multiplayer) as well as Binding of Isaac (maybe not the greatest example when it comes to basic game length, but it's right there too), so much time that I am ashamed to put it out here just like that. Basically I live for games that can steal all my free time without making me feel like it has been a waste. But it is true that not every game manages to do it ever so elegantly. Most games these days literally drag your face in the mud to boast a good bit of length. Not all can get you engaged in story, quests/side quests and a good variety of side activities without eventually feeling like a chore. There is an ongoing trend of ticking checkboxes when developing a game these days. And sadly, play time has been reduced to one of those boxes. Replayability and player engagement not so much though.

[@WillTheGreatest]

As someone whos current back catalogue is SMT5V, FF7R2, and P3R (and thats just this year so far) while i appreciate giving me the most bang for my buck its not helping my sense of completion like say a spider-man is

[@adrianboyle6517]

I liked seeing Magus in the rpg column, truly peak gaming

[@Made_In_Heaven88]

An Earthbound remake where you can do all the stuff you can do in Shenmue, Yakuza and Final Fantasy VII Remake/Rebirth is looooong overdue

[@samflood5631]

And some people complained that games such as Dragon Age Origins, Dragon Age 2, the Fable trilogy, South Park Stick of Truth and Fractured But Whole, Jak and Daxter Trilogy, Fenyx Immortal Rising, Sly Cooper Trilogy and a few other games I can think of. Have they ever heard of the saying, “Sometimes less is more”.

[@kagekun1198]

It took me 90 hours to Platinum FFVII Remake. It took me 220 hours to Platinum FFVII Rebirth. Yeah. That's too long. The minigames felt like busywork. The standard which you had to get good at said minigames was frustrating. Hard mode, aside from being hard, hardly forced me to git gud. Instead, it only forced me to adopt cheese methods to bypass the enemy difficulty through overwhelming firepower. The only side-benefit I got is that I can now breeze through Normal mode enemies and bosses like nothing. I really don't mind long games. I played the heck out of Persona 5 Royal. I accomplished everything there and returned three times more. Each playthrough took roughly 100 hours and I don't regret a single one of them. Rebirth however, has made me feel like I could be spending my time better on something else more than once.

[@chronic_johnson_a.r.a.b]

It really becomes a backlog issue. As you get older you, usually, have less time for games and so when you hear about a couple of great games that came out in any given year, and already have a bunch of other games to finish, the longer games just seem like a huge chore to take on. I'd rather not be on my deathbed thinking "shit, I never finished that one Yakuza game I had installed". Better to just focus on the backlog instead of buying new shit.

[@Professor_Utonium_]

If you're thinking about video games on your deathbed at all, you royally fucked up in life

[@chronic_johnson_a.r.a.b]

@@Professor_Utonium_ Actually, it'd be nice to live a good enough life that your only deathbed regret was not finishing a game. People have died with much worse regrets.

[@Professor_Utonium_]

@@chronic_johnson_a.r.a.b I see your point when you put it that way