Are Indie Games Better Than Warhammer?

[@BingusMcdingus57]

Frostgrave, Rangers of Shadowdeep (fantasy) and Stargrave (scifi) are all really fun skirmish games with campaigns and coop modes. They also all have miniature lines that are pretty cheap and easy to make.

[@TheGlacialGeek]

I've heard of those and recently saw a game of Frostgrave and it looked interesting! I will have to give them a look! 😀

[@andersonfaleiro6527]

Frostgrave is the game. Just try it o//

[@CesarIsaacPerez]

or use any fantasy minis you already have.

[@Smiley_McPants]

If you are looking for solo the following games look decent. five leagues from the borderlands five parsecs from home

[@irwedge]

5 Parsecs From Home 5 Leagues From The Borderlands

[@TheGlacialGeek]

I've never heard of those! Thank you! 😀

[@irwedge]

@@TheGlacialGeek they're technically solo Wargames with RPG elements. But you can play them co-op as well. But pretty fun rules, enough random elements to stay fresh, and totally model agnostic. Just got into them myself recently and have been having lots of fun.

[@paulswales9891]

Space Weirdo is fun little game to uses some 40k spacey miniatures with

[@Skulliver-t8q]

Gaslands is pure joy. Rumble Slam is great for a Fantasy spin on Pro Wrestling. 5 Parsecs from Home, Xenos Rampant, The Silver Bayonet, Frostgrave and the often forgotten gem that is "Hordes of the Things".

[@theramsden8873]

Mordheim... is all you need Though deth wizards does interest me a lot

[@TheGlacialGeek]

I definitely want to try Mordheim!

[@christomsharpe]

Absolutely! Also try others but Mordheim is the best!

[@epimetrius7348]

You should absolutely look into Forbidden Psalm. You have quite a few options too now: base FP is grimdark fantasy, The Last War is post-apoc ww1, Kill Sample Process is cyberpunk, Dread Nights is victorian gothic horror, there's a new mech version coming out called Steel Psalm, and they launched a Kickstarter for Endless Horrors From Between the Stars which will be their cosmic horror cult game. All of those are cross compatible too.

[@TheGlacialGeek]

That sounds rad!

[@edwardclay7551]

Deth Wizards does look amazing. But all of their games are amazing. You should check them out.

[@WostryFerenc]

Well, pretty much all the indies that came out in the last 1-2 years are better than Warhammer

[@shadedreaver]

Bruh, Space Station Zero from snarling badgers , tonks and Bangerang in gutterlands

[@WostryFerenc]

I mix the campaign and worldbuilding system of Five Parsecs from Space with the combat of The Doomed. I'm set for life.

[@kariranta-ojala5181]

Space Station Zero is really fun. Ive been waiting for ravaged star and i love the concept of Deth wizards siince today so i bought it so i can try it out

[@kellydavis3108]

With small games sometimes you feel like a traveling salesman or proselytizing preacher trying to convert your friends!

[@harrymanback3475]

I vouch for frostgrave, rangers of shadowdeep and stargrave also. Coming from games workshop games to these is a breath of fresh air. Just fun fun fun, and after all that's the most important thing.

[@TheGlacialGeek]

I will have to check them out!

[@Humongeloid]

Thanks for the painting ideas and encouragement to try new games. Great video.

[@keenanseable5736]

This is great content so satisfying to hear you talk about the new game while talking out how you painted your guys

[@TheGlacialGeek]

Thank you 😀

[@weirdguy564]

For anyone who loves Warhammer Fantasy or Warhammer 40k, the natural alternative game is probably One Page Rules. I prefer that set of rules as I like how small the rules are, and alternating activation of units so the players get more activity back and forth instead of just sitting and waiting. And the OTHER big wargame that is popular, BattleTech.

[@proteanfabricator9410]

Excellent warband, just started Deth Wizards - looks amazing! lovin' the indie games. Quality vid, cheers :)

[@thefrenchspy81]

Frostgrave, Battletech and Pulp Alley.

[@TheGlacialGeek]

I haven't heard of Pulp Alley! Gonna have to check that out! Thank you 😀

[@edwardclay7551]

Ive been plotting out the expansions to my undead horde as my Necromancer and his horde evolves.

[@TheGlacialGeek]

It's fun to think it out! ... I'm excited to have an excuse to paint a vampire 😏

[@edwardclay7551]

@@TheGlacialGeek yes vampires and death knights. And I want to do a spirit based horde too.

[@damianarvizu1095]

Saga has both historical and fantasy rules. DBA and Hordes of the Things are great for larger games but don’t break your bank on tons of miniatures. I am becoming a fan of battletech for the price point and it is very fun (although crunchy). Frostgrave and stargrave are fantastic systems that would work well with this new game you described. I have always enjoyed blood bowl and Warmaster from GW, but bloodbowl is far more affordable and easier to find players. Finally, OPR systems have been a great way to play with my GW minis without having to spend tons of money on the ever-changing rule books and system updates.

[@TheGlacialGeek]

I definitely wanna try Blood Bowl and at this point I feel like I need to try Frostgrave! 😀

[@LegionaireSiggi]

The 28 magazine (and Discord) verse of skirmish games including Turnip28, Trench Crusade (from the developer who did Mordheim), and Sludge from Sean Sutter of Relicblade.

[@TheGlacialGeek]

I've been intrigued by Trench Crusade!

[@joshuamiller8259]

They are making a few models that can be bought through Knucklebones Miniatures

[@TheGlacialGeek]

I saw that after I posted my video 😓

[@CGOLAN]

Ohh, I think miniatures agnostic games are trending right now. 1. After a period with loads of board games with miniatures, 2. marketing strategy for selling the miniatures by changing the rules to represent the newest product often is the best rulewise, 3. also a growing offer of STL models 4. and terrain (including prepainted cheap terrain from Archon Studio) "Deth Wizard" - I need to check it out, maybe I will incorporate something interesting from theirs idea : ))

[@billybirdy9507]

Five Parsecs from Home has just released a new skirmish game option called ‘Tactics’. I’ve loved the solo so looking forward to this.

[@TheGlacialGeek]

Nice!

[@josephshriner2850]

Saw the title and just popped in to say, yes. Yes they are better by several metrics. Miniature Agnostic (not all, but most are. More diverse settings and lore sets. Commonly skirmish scale Less expensive/more hobbying

[@wtfserpico]

Majestic 13 is the first game by Snarling Badger that I bought and based on how good it is I insta-bought Deth Wizards. Kill Team is still my go-to skirmish game, but Majestic 13 and now Deth Wizards will continue to see a ton of table time via solo and coop campaign play at my table.

[@jester7028]

Check out reign in hell and space station zero also! They’re super!!

[@bobyoung8730]

I'll always have a place in my heart for 40k, but me and my buddies play an infinitely more amount of skirmish games now. Kill Team, Marvel Crisis Protocol, Shatterpoint, and Moonstone especially is so effing awesome.... And I know so many others who will and have commented will have a metric ton of excellent suggestions as well.

[@TheGlacialGeek]

I haven't heard of Moonstone! Thank you for the recommendation! 😀

[@bobyoung8730]

@@TheGlacialGeek Think MOnty Pythons Holy Grail, meets Dark Crystal, meets a simple to learn, harder to master game.. it's SO much fun, and the models are effing amazing. Haha. Highly recommend!

[@libraveggie4451]

A game that I thought sounded pretty close to this would be "Magnagothica: Maleghast!" which is a pretty small, rules light, and quick undead skirmish game with a metal as hell premise. Punk Rock Necromancy babyyyy! I do want to try Deth Wizards though!

[@TheGlacialGeek]

That sounds rad! I will have to give it a look! 😀

[@proteanfabricator9410]

Gaslands is the best!! Buy and customise your hotwheels car into a badass madmax post apocalyptic racing car! Very quick, very cool mechanics.

[@BlizzAz]

I highly recommend Malifaux from Wyrd games.

[@pez5767]

I love your enthusiasim. It would be great to see you play some of these other non-GW games. CyberPunk Red: Combat Zone is pretty awesome and has an amazing 2 player starter.

[@TheGlacialGeek]

Thank you 😀 ... I love the cyberpunk genre so I would love to check it out!

[@willschoonover8654]

Relicblade is a great indie game with a great model line.

[@Wadtomaton]

Looking forward to meeting you at TMX! 🤘Flames of Orion is a minis agnostic mech game (like Battletech scale) that currently has alpha rules out that seems to be getting a lot of buzz.

[@TheGlacialGeek]

Heck yeah! Make sure you say hi! 😀 ... I heard of Flames of Orion but hadn't tried it yet! Sounds cool!

[@thekr0nck353]

My work schedule has completely changed so getting weekends to play large war games has been tough which has led me to shatterpoint and to try Guild Ball both that have been a blast so far and never would have learned that without trying smaller games😊

[@TheGlacialGeek]

I think I own the starter for Guild Ball somewhere ... I might have to bust it out!

[@alBoomer19]

This looks awesome! I’m putting together my Warband right now too

[@TheGlacialGeek]

Heck yeah! 😀

[@TomMurrath]

Apart from the obvious "Graves", I enjoyed The Rusty Dagger a lot, especially for solo play on a very small surface, allowing me to even play that odd game on the kitchen sink at times

[@tonya1393]

Have you looked at One Page Rules?

[@TheGlacialGeek]

I have briefly ... And it feels very much like 40K which is nice!

[@CesarIsaacPerez]

My favorite is Frostgrave. Totally recommend it. Deadzone by Manic is awesome too! Cursed City is a fun game to play though.

[@TheGlacialGeek]

I think I am going to have to try Frostgrave at this point! It looked interesting and a lot of people have recommended it! Thank you! 😀

[@Ibnz0121]

I've found the two Star Wars games, Legion and Shatterpoint, and MCP are great palette cleansers when you need to take a break from 40K and GW games.

[@TheGlacialGeek]

I really wanna try out MCP! I love comics so it feels like a good fit for me 😀

[@Ibnz0121]

@@TheGlacialGeek well if you've ever wanted to play a game where your models can use terrain as a weapon or even throw your opponents models into stuff then it's the game for you. And you don't need a lot of models to play. You build a roster of 10 models and then make a list based on the mission. Not a large investment but a lot of fun. The atomic mass games are some of my favorites.

[@keithmallarkey8786]

Like you I have been looking outside the Warhammer bubble. Moonstone, Burrows and Badgers, and This Quars War a Clash of Rhyfles. All three are skirmish games the minis are a joy to paint and the rules are quick to understand. You can thank me later😀

[@TheGlacialGeek]

I'll thank you ahead of time! I haven't heard of any of those! Thank you! 😀

[@randomtvninja]

This isnt even a question, and guess what we should be happy to have a real choice, we no longer are stuck with GW and what they deem is a game. The best part is this is happening in mini wargames and in TTRPGs, we're definitely in a golden age.

[@seannyhan2254]

I've been eyeing Deth Wizards as an excuse to dust off my Acheron minis from Confrontation..

[@BlaueCookieFan]

Igt is very "warhammer" itself. but it is pretty darn good. One of the biggest failures of warhammer (the battle game, not the roleplay one of course) was the lack of a decent skirmish/campaign system. This covers that gap. Come on, who is not goind to name a casty necromancer "Heinrich Khemmler" and a fighty one "Konrad von Carstein"? We are all going to do that :)

[@BlaueCookieFan]

Just purchased it today, had a look at the PDF while waiting for my hardcopy. It sounds like a neat little game, I'm happy I got it. Even if it says "armor" and not "armour". Meh.

[@marioboulanger5999]

Very nice... simple but especially nice. Love'm. Well done...

[@TheGlacialGeek]

Thank you 😀

[@Moysie.Studios]

Malifaux is my jam right now but these look great!

[@deathinabox9100]

Malifaux is awesome but it's super crunchy

[@tsliger8162]

Onepagerules is totally worth a shot I highly recommend you give it a shot

[@henrikcollin4727]

If you want to check out a fantasy rank n file, there's Hobgoblin...

[@andersand6576]

Give bangarang in the gutter lands and guilders a life in shadows a try

[@TheGlacialGeek]

I haven't heard of Guilders: A Life in Shadows! I will check them out! Thank you 😀

[@andersand6576]

@@TheGlacialGeek more about sneaking and pickpocketing then straight up fighting, and strong between-game rp-like elements like mordheim or necromunda. Really enjoy it.

[@neoasdrubaul]

Hope you do a battle report from this new game system.

[@TheGlacialGeek]

I certainly plan to do some batreps exploring other systems 😀

[@shinjofox]

Very different from what you normally play but my buddies and i really enjoy Heavy Gear Blitz from Dream pod 9 in Montreal.

[@TheGlacialGeek]

Nice, what is that like? 😀

[@shinjofox]

@@TheGlacialGeek It is a combat game with mechs, called gears. It uses a d6 dice mechanic with alternating detachment activation. You can find free versions of the current 3edition rules on drive thru rpg.

[@TheGlacialGeek]

Sounds awesome! Thank you! 😀

[@JohnMiller-yh2lj]

Try lion rampent and zeno rampant good for small games.

[@TheGlacialGeek]

Nice! I haven't heard of those!

[@interessierterArbeiter-161]

@@TheGlacialGeek it's xenos rampant, you won't find much if you google zeno rampant

[@supachigga]

Try some Malifaux and Infinity Code One for some fun strategic games!

[@TheGlacialGeek]

I haven't heard of Infinity Code One! Thanks for the recommendations!

[@kellinbray5347]

Yes yes they are. And they are not an abusive relationship.

[@xLAZY666]

Hopefully you find hat you are looking for in the hobby. Gl

[@TheGlacialGeek]

Thank you 😀

[@willpenn966]

Yes, next question.

[@aslbaron1]

Bushido!!!!! Such a great game!

[@TheGlacialGeek]

It looks rad! The models really sucked me in! 😀

[@joeltasker6956]

Zona Alfa is a good one

[@TheGlacialGeek]

I do need to check that out!

[@susiederkins6612]

I have indigestion

[@charlesdarwin9039]

Forbidden psalm

[@TheEr910]

indie games are great and allow you to paint and play with more than just you army

[@TheGlacialGeek]

That's definitely what I am learning! I like painting for a purpose and these smaller games let me paint different types of models for a purpose without having to do an entire 2000pt army!

[@Velgar_Grim]

There's been battlereports? 😢 Last one I see is from month ago and the one behind it four so. Others under the "only fans" umbrella? 😘 But definitely worth looking around. Malifaux might be a bit complicated too, but fun. To play no problem, you'll just get rofl-stomped by veterans or given pity by the bucket and to master it, you need to understand almost every model and their potential synergies with other models... But in casual setting, same experience opponents, tremendious fun, at least to me. Space Station Zero been mentioned. Legacy game, bit wobbly on rule-side when I last played (knife v gun, exactly same but gun ranger, so absolutely no reason given for regular CCWs except "if you want to play flavour") and quite brutal, so the first few scenarios will get familiar real quick, but then you start getting the feeling of true exploration, mapping the path-ways and remembering hazards on the way... Also callously sending team after team to their death... But bit of a dun-n-dusted in the end. SSZ is very short leap to Descent, Gloomhaven and such boardgames that are great "miniature games" as well. But I'd really think you should try Blood Bowl. Not excatly indie anymore, but GW started as such too. No mention of One Page Rules? Haven't checked it out either, 'cose a lot of these "indie rulesets" are really just capitalizing on other people fixing up all the expensive stuff and them getting nickles for basocally nothing. And if it works out, more effort can be put into it and suddenly we are the business. Aaaand if it doesn't get off, like many "only the rules, 'cose we couldn't really bother" don't... Someone wasted an afternoon on computer. Oh, no... 😂 But still, different systems give different views and those give much more legitimacy to your opinions rather than "well, I've played this one thing and it's great. Period."

[@TheGlacialGeek]

I have wanted to play Blood Bowl for a while!

[@Velgar_Grim]

And you definitely should! Next time you're in Denmark, I'll drive over for a game. :D It's the only game from GW I've ever played with fully painted minis. Although they're mostly from Living Rulebook time, so might not be legit anymore... Skaven should still be okay. Goblins would have been too, but loaned them to a pal and never got the back. Sad times.

[@darklingeraeld-ridge7946]

The answer is yes

[@JPGotrokkits]

Short answer: yep. Long answer Yyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssssssssss

[@joshual6305]

Yes. But good luck getting the GW brain slug out of people's heads so they will try another game.

[@TheGlacialGeek]

I'm trying to get it out of mine! 😉

[@florianbuhr7553]

Yes.

[@katarhall3047]

Yes. Next.

[@Khurzan72]

I wanna see Bushido

[@TheGlacialGeek]

I fell in love with models at AdeptiCon and am really looking forward to diving in! 😀

[@paboook]

GW wants to sell miniatures, not great games. I can understand people love GW models, but their game systems are poor in comparison to many clever, innovative, and fun game systems. And also consttantly changing just to squeeze more money from the players. I highly recommnend to everyone to look outside of the GW rabbit hole. Deth Wizards is great example of alternative superior to GW.

[@johnphillips8601]

You should check out gaslands refuelled. Its big cinematic feels amd the hobby side is insane Its a great game and im just starting a channel about it over at chef xenos gaming *shameless plug*

[@TheGlacialGeek]

Shameless plugs are always welcome 😉 ... I will have to check it out (game and channel 😉)!

[@johnphillips8601]

@@TheGlacialGeek ash baker has a great break down and review of the game on guerrilla games

[@stonehorsegaming]

The miniature hobby is far bigger than GW. Here is a list of games that I have played over the years... I may have missed some. DBM, Mighty Armies, Confrontation, AT-43, Warmachine, Hordes, Hail Caesar, Bolt Action, Black Powder, Frostgrave, Oathmark, Space Dreadnought 30,000, Babylon 5: A Call to Arms, Kings of War, Kings of War Historical, Starship Troopers, Warlords of Erehwon, Turnip28, Age of fantasy: Regiments, Grimdark future, Fantastic Battles, X-Wing, Star Wars Armada, Infinity, The hobby is huge, stepping outside the GW bubble is the best thing any hobbyist can do.

[@TheGlacialGeek]

Thank you for that list! 😀

[@tikihana4254]

Turnip28!

[@royce567]

#AD

[@TheGlacialGeek]

No one paid me to do anything. I just was inspired by a friend working on a cool project and decided to make a video about it.

[@royce567]

@@TheGlacialGeek Yea "friend" just happens to the be on the same Army Paint Team, the same day he is promoting it on his stream.

[@TheGlacialGeek]

Do you not have friends who do the same thing you do? We did meet because we both have KZbin channels, but we've known each other for longer than the Factory Team has existed. I've also been super open about being a part of the Army Painter Factory Team so why would I suddenly try to hide some kind of ad?

[@royce567]

@@TheGlacialGeek Then why wouldnt you just say that out right from the jump if you werent hiding it.

[@TheGlacialGeek]

... I did. I said we were friends, I said we were both members of the Army Painter Factory Team, and I said I got excited when he was telling me about the game he was working on. I'm not sure what else I should have said to make it more clear.

[@joejoe4601]

Yes.