Are Men Today Really Less Masculine? | Andy & Rachel Vs RC & Lav | Debate Podcast

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[@stevendouglas3781]

“Women think men telling them no is violent and abusive”. Brilliant. Quote of the debate.

[@stevendouglas3781]

She laughs about cheating on her fiancé and lying to him. No other moment better proved that her side is evil.

[@makemebad153]

That's modern women for ya. Liberals are terrible people.

[@syksyd17]

I feel really bad for lavs fiance

[@craggerrs]

he probably deserves her

[@chriswojtowicz951]

It’s bad when you can tell who’s on which side just by looking at them

[@MrFIRESEAL117]

Most of us will never be half the man Rachel is.

[@craggerrs]

@JustTradin' or maybe it was the best possible choice lol

[@chastitydusser3]

Yeah douchebags aren't hard to miss.

[@chriswojtowicz951]

The truth is you CAN usually judge a person by how they look.

[@chriswojtowicz951]

People just say otherwise for the sake of exceptions to the rules

[@stevendouglas3781]

“My mom was aloof, alcoholic, and abusive because she wanted to be a good mother”

[@colbywood7667]

Yes and think of how it could have turned out with out her there?

[@payton21]

@@colbywood7667I don’t know if this chick could’ve turned out worse😂😂 I mean she’s a fucking prostitute. She didn’t even realize she destroyed her entire argument just by telling her experience

[@jussaysomethin8923]

I am 45... I've raised 2 grown successful men. I can not imagine trying to talk to these 2. They just refuse to follow any logic or reason. Real world examples are just dismissed... I'd ask where this extreme ignorance paired with extreme arrogance comes from, but our education and media systems are breeding grounds. Rachel and Andrew are a God send! They deserve praise for their patience in these daycare sessions!

[@withlol777]

Daycare sessions 😂 that sums it up!

[@chrisj9849]

Lav doesn’t want a traditional life. She wants to be lazy!

[@wickedfrigginryan4645]

That goes for most people, including me

[@alexrennison8070]

Exactly. Her fiancée is a sucker.

[@bryanpartington3260]

Its funny how the left can be a bit hypicritical when it comes to body shaming. If when Lav asked Andrew how tall he was and Andrew had said just under five foot tall she would have burst out laughing. Yet if Andrew laughed at an overweight woman . Lav would have called him cruel and shallow.

[@nokiot9]

A bit hypocritical? The left is absolutely RIFE with hypocrisy. And I was a dem for 14 years. The hypocrisy was just too much for me. Fighting racism with racism, fighting sexism with sexism, becoming the monsters they decried

[@fredo3161]

Yeah dude that's called feminist logic.

[@jeffreybonanno8982]

That's a hilarious paradox in and of it's self.

[@revmsj]

Seriously. Why is t she in the kitchen anyway?

[@fredo3161]

We live in a gynocentric nation that prioritizes women's feelings over roles of men, children, family, and God. Women have been convinced that what they truly have to offer isn't motherhood, but becoming a corporate cog just like their male counterparts. Being convinced of this is the only way you'll get women to turn their backs on family and motherhood. Show me a single mother who would RATHER leave their baby with another woman so she can go into the office than stay at home while her husband goes to make the money.

[@anneominous7172]

"I grew up jewish..." Imagine my shock.

[@makemebad153]

I heard that and was like "I could tell, my skin started crawling as soon as I saw you."

[@bretts3057]

😂😂

[@tinahochstetler2189]

At 1:52:00 when Rachel was talking about Andrew telling her to take a nap and she'll feel better, Lav made the totally opposite point from what she was trying to make. She pointed out that this was empathy, nurturing and kindness and that these are feminine traits. Yes, those are feminine traits. Here's the thing about traits; every person has a mix of masculine and feminine traits. This is something a lot of people suddenly don't seem to realize (Trans and queer community, which is built around sex stereotypes). Strong masculine men that have the most masculine traits are typically caring, nurturing and empathetic, among other things. That is why they use their most masculine traits (the ones Lav wants to replace with robots) to take care of their families, and to defend their families and their nation. the reason traits and interest, mannerisms, behaviors, etc are recognized as masculine or feminine is because throughout the world and throughout time, these traits have been observed to be more common and more dominate in either men or women. It's an observation. Not something that's been forced onto people.

[@bratboy5203]

If the world doesn't view your definition as true, then you're wrong.

[@highroller-jq3ix]

You should take an anthropology class. The world doesn't agree with the American or western stereotypes. Sorry. Those stereotypes that team douche listed have been demonstrated to be false. Sorry.

[@brittoncain5090]

@@bratboy5203 What?

[@bratboy5203]

@@brittoncain5090 that took a long time to show up. You don't understand the post?

[@simpbeforeusleep]

@@bratboy5203what?

[@ravenzero7222]

The NO side can't deal with reality

[@gabemord5088]

No, women cannot run into burning buildings and physically pull out bodies 🤣. My girlfriend can't even carry a laundry bag up the steps 🤣

[@HanselLeiderhosen]

Lav being a member of the tribe is the most stereotypically hilarious thing I heard in this debate. She changed her position on the fly to fight against Andrew and Rachel, she claimed things about herself and then immediately back tracked it when questioned on it. She is the epitome of all the slipperiness that she and her cohorts are known for.

[@onjulraz754]

I dunno, they put a lot of words into her mouth rather than actually answering her points. How many times did Rachel and Andrew say "you think" and "you said" and "you don't know" rather than actually answering

[@HanselLeiderhosen]

@@onjulraz754 what is there to answer when a minute later she agreed with them and then a minute after that backtracked! She held No position and all the positions all at the same time! She said she is a Tradcon. And yet sleeps with men for money. She says that men shouldn’t be masculine and yet is engaged for the 3rd time to a masculine guy. What is even real with this woman! Nobody knows and nobody should care.

[@BenThorpAkaAbel]

She was trying to be reasonable. She did a great job. Good girl.

[@King_Kenlee]

@@BenThorpAkaAbel lav being reasonable 😂

[@andrewfranquelin3184]

it's really funny watching boomer brains appeal to the past. its crazy how profitable being stupid is

[@eleccy]

Look, I tried, but I can't watch anymore of Lav. I'm pretty much on her side but her whole spiel is to throw out a ridiculous and tropey claim, and then immediately fall back when pushed on it and claim she was making no such claim at all. That was like 60% of her time. It's snarky, it's passive aggressive, and I can't listen to it anymore.

[@eleccy]

@@nickgarnero9843 Yeah, maybe I'm half on her side. Dunno, not her more extreme beliefs. It's just such a sophomoric tactic that people should really grow out of - selective memory, every time when pushed she suddenly didn't know anything or wanted to get off the point. It's evasive and shifty and makes me think less of her.

[@BenThorpAkaAbel]

I don’t agree with this criticism. She’s just saying life is complicated, not black and white. Which, of course, is true. Good girl.

[@wilder11]

"I'm pretty much on her side..." You should reconsider then, shouldn't you?

[@eleccy]

@@wilder11 I dunno, should I?

[@cj7011]

Yeah, it's almost like Andrew described her type perfectly earlier in the debate.

[@kraken5003]

i don't get these debates 'radical coder' and lav both conceded in their opening then radical coder went 'but there are other things that i find interesting'....it's like please, i don't care i didn't come here to listen to you about your interests, i'm not gonna get baited into that, we had a debate topic and you conceded, now you are wasting time they should have left after that

[@BenThorpAkaAbel]

I agree they should nail down the topic beforehand more firmly.

[@jhnxavier]

Agreed! Leftists _need_ to debate value judgments, they lose otherwise.

[@JanderStrahd]

Ah, you see, you expect too much of James.

[@stephenzavatski8016]

@@JanderStrahd James good

[@ieppn3465]

The pro cigarette talk is cringe and is really just marketed masculinity. Men should be the healthiest/fittest version of themselves

[@Soulja4ChristWeAreAtWar]

True freedom is anarchy.

[@bayzedgossiper2852]

I tuned in and saw RC and the entire debate was settled

[@shayaanmalik8178]

💀💀💀

[@mummistheword]

The IQ test was invented in 1905, so no 100 years ago they would not measure your skull to figure out how intelligent you were… but we wouldn’t expect anything less than a cope from radical coper.

[@ronnie1191]

It's actually great for kids to fight when they are little so they can understand consequences and learn boundaries without getting seriously hurt

[@cj7011]

Very true, unfortunately most women saw it as mean and unnecessary.

[@jhnxavier]

17:00 The debate was _over_ before it started _(as per the _*_debate_*_ topic)._ Well done, Andrew & Rachel.

[@blackhaze8233]

😂 that was so funny. Andrew Should have just left after.

[@AlphaSideQuest]

Lemme guys Lav is 27 yrs old and has literally no experience with 3/4 of what she's advocating. HOW SURPRISING.

[@illk9647]

You know one side is getting absolutely destroyed when James actually steps in to help them out. Great moderating on this one.

[@AI3Dorinte]

yeah, that side performed really bad. Which is quite sad cause defending against a lot of arguments from the right was really easy there. We don't need men to break their backs carrying shit because we have equipment that helps with that and YES we should take ALL human beings out of dangerous shit if we can replace them with tools. That's what humanity has been doing for ages.

[@eugenegorbunov8284]

This was an unfair one. Steamrolled does not start to describe it.

[@alexcrixell7265]

​@@AI3Dorinteyou women don't understand all the work men have to do to keep civilization running. What robots are going out on power lines when a violent storm comes through your town? Where are the robots that will come fix your toilet, build the roads, houses, buildings and everything else you can think of? Now, think of all these laborious jobs men do, and how many men are your made-up robots going to put out of work? Should they learn to code?

[@alexcrixell7265]

​@@AI3Dorinteoh, and if you're not a woman you should be ashamed, because you sure do talk like one.

[@TheFacelessFittuber]

​​@@AI3Dorinte no, you're missing the fact that to repair and maintain that equipment you again need physically abled men and andrew expanded that specific point when he told her he literally builds robots its his job. And I've also worked repairing cranes CATs for a living. No woman can do that same as a man, maybe 1 in a few 100 thousand.

[@FlyingGospel]

I love how RC's resting position is such that we can marvel at his chicken wings for 2 entire hours as he argues in self defense against masculinity.

[@bratboy5203]

Wow did you swallow a straw when you came up with that?

[@MMAFIGHTERRATINGS]

Kids these days would get wrecked by 90's kids if there was a time machine and they could go back to experience it.

[@lrn_news9171]

RD showing us how smart he is right when the stream starts by solving a rubik's cube. Do you really think this wasn't prepared? lol

[@MCJustJ420]

Probably not tbh, he's talked about how he solves them as a hobby and done it spontaneously on stream before But it doesn't make him any less dumb, it might actually make him more dumb because he thinks being able to flex this ability means anything

[@thesecondhat4717]

You can learn to solve a rubik's cube in a day, if you set your mind to it. I learned it over three days, by setting aside an hour or two a day on the task. There's no higher intelligence required, only rote memorization, it just seems very complex because the practise isn't widespread. It's a great flex at parties, though, where everyone thinks you're a genius when making the colors align. This is what RD was going for here too, building cred as an intellectual.

[@lrn_news9171]

@@AsixA6 I'm pointing out the reason why he was solving a rubik's cube when the livestream started, obviously was thought out and planned lol And yes people do that to appear smart. Not saying he's smart for doing that, I think he's kinda dumb in fact. The comment went over your head

[@modest8930]

Ok that's it, I'm buying Rachel's book

[@killustrator]

On the “no” side… a literal soyjak with fingerless gloves and a pink tank top. I’ve never seen a camera win a debate before

[@WackyConundrum]

The debate ended immediately after the opening statements when the "no" side (Lav & RC) explicitly condeded. And it went downhill for them from that point... Lav seemingly trying to argue that it's OK for males not to be manly, while having a manly fiance was the perfect example that even she thinks that the men becoming less masculine is bad (the topic the "no" side wanted to pivot to). No one on the panel respected that RC guy, mainly because he was not masculine. I don't like being on the conservatives/right-wing side, but the Left left me no choice...

[@eleccy]

Bang on the money. Repeatedly asking for men to be less masculine while repeatedly mocking more feminine men (calling engineers/scientists unattractive) and boasting about how she only likes masculine men. It's been said before many times, if you want men to change - change the incentive. Even a radfem like Lav explicitly rewards masculine virtues. If that's not a ringing indictment of her worldview I don't know what is.

[@stevendouglas3781]

Stop saying goofy shit like you don’t want to agree with the people you agree with. Fcking obnoxious.

[@rafeeqbey2690]

Interesting how LAV didn't want to talk about Robotics (after introducing the topic), after learning Andrew was a Robotics. And realized his occupation wouldn't be replaced by robots as she ignorantly suggested lol

[@joegreen4501]

Male feminists are gold non stop comedy of the highest order.

[@embracethepain8797]

Andrew was right when he said lav always do the cope laugh,you know something is not right when someone always do cope laugh😂

[@Beezde3z]

Just look at the thumbnail for the answer to the debate question.

[@khps9176]

Rachel is correct about women having alot more influence and power before. One of the feminine powers is influence and came because of their efforts in their communities. that stopped alot of the conflicts between men.

[@elrondur1142]

No shame in loosing to Andy and Rachel, especially since it is a "is the sky blue topic". I guess in clown-world we even have to argue a topic like this, because Tucker made a documentary, and therefore the lunatics on the other side, need to spin something crazy, of why Tucker is wrong, when it comes to masculinity being on the decline.

[@BenThorpAkaAbel]

the tooic shoulda been worked out more pre-debate. that being said, Arc and Lav slaughtered rhetorically.

[@paddopadderson9688]

Yes. Debate over.

[@trfinley7076]

Just an observation that the Feminine Coder had his background running clouds through his head clearly demonstrating just how NOT grounded he is.

[@gkdaniels1]

Rachel is the GOAT. She smoked these fools in the first five minutes of the debate. She went on to humiliate them for another hour and a half. Andrew is pretty as well

[@overkillx7]

Insane take you must be young as shit lol

[@thereisnopandemic]

That brunette thinks that her father is more of nurturing person over her mother, it’s no wonder she is a walking red flag.

[@justlol7281]

ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SEE JOHN DOYEL VS VAUSH ON WHATS WRONG WITH THE CULTURE?

[@SoulOfTorment]

It there any way to vet the debaters prior? This whole, "I didn't prepare anything, I'm gonna BS the whole debate with little research" is getting really old. It should have been debaters from the same generation, otherwise generational disputes creep into focus.

[@calculator91]

I have no idea how Lav squirmed into the debate sphere. Shes one of the worst out there.

[@cawatrooper4278]

While I don't agree with the premise of the debate, Rachel being more masculine than Andrew does kinda support their point.

[@ronrhea2001]

How can someone be so ignorant that they don't know that they will be required to work ùnder socialism?

[@calebspencer3451]

Buddy wearing fingerless gloves and fidgeting with a rubix cube lmao

[@trilex_2767]

Lav is such a "tradcon wife", she is being engaged for the 3rd time! Thats what i call multitasking

[@vortexlight8387]

Also has sex for money, shes a prostitute

[@MIXTAB1]

Utterly eviscerated ✌️💯 Rachel and Andrew, undefeated 💯💯💯

[@tinahochstetler2189]

LOL! This Lav person throughout the entire debate. "I didn't say that. I didn't say that. I didn't say that........" LOL! Chick, you said that! All the things. LOL!

[@insanetubegain]

Men in the 16th century wore wigs, lace, and ruffles.

[@Apanblod]

Well, only the more affluent men, and I'm not sure it would have been as early as the 16th century. 🤔

[@McGreevious_]

You don’t even need to go as far back as that. Men in the 80s wore hairspray, makeup and skintight leather pants and shaved all their body hair.

[@torkoalking6895]

Guest mod looks like Beetlejuice

[@keithricketts4867]

1:34:50 Lav screaming "exactly" like it was some huge gotcha moment, and doesn't understand the dynamics of what Rachel was saying completely destroyed her position 100 times over, this just shows there is no mental acuity at all and for some reason she is claiming women's IQ is higher, not understanding the way society works.. this is the most laughable debate I have seen Andrew and Rachel have to suffer through..!! AND ANDREW IS A CO-HOST ON THE WHATEVER PODCAST..!!!!

[@simpbeforeusleep]

I’m not a big fan of the J conspiracy but I keep seeing Jack like this woman that are living proof there may be some merit to it

[@hiddenspots1762]

Lav is going to re watch this in a few years and cringe out of existence.

[@MrMrbob666]

More like a few hours

[@patbrumph6769]

Hate to bring up chemistry, but chemistry is part of this. Virility in men has been measured since the 1940 and there is a significant decrease in testosterone in men cause by plastic. We are ingesting plastic. Don't drink your coffee from a plastic cup, Don't microwave your food in a plastic container. Etc. Unfortunately plastics aren't the only toxic chemicals we are consuming. There is a significant decrease of testosterone in men since the 1940s, which is reflected in men's problems with infertility.

[@revmsj]

Were women not allowed to be scientists back when Marie Curie won the 1903 Nobel Peace Prize? I suppose they forgot to tell her…?🤔

[@ki0ku331]

It’s very interesting that on Rachel and Andrew’s side they are calm, cool, collected, and have done their proper research on the topic especially Rachel who wrote a book disproving a lot of the points lav and radical were trying to make on feminism and women’s rights. While on the other side every time they try to express something they go into full autist mode and try speaking a million words a minute as if they will solidify and justify their points or just flat out either insult Andrew and Rachel or make sarcastic comments.

[@duke8925]

passionate debate, pleasant to watch:)

[@tygor1988]

At 1:11:00 When Rachel told Radical Cooper, “You could be a great Dad..”. The smile on his face was so sweet.🥹 He really felt good hearing that from her. He means well in his position. Perhaps a few more winters, and he may truly understand the points being presented to him. Thank you James, you did a great job. God Bless✝️

[@DuckFanDane]

Except for the fact that he’s not very masculine and it will lead to troubles and dating so hopefully he gets that sorted out

[@MechaWingZero]

Lav is not correct that women have a higher average I.Q. - it's just that more women are around the middle of the bell curve than men. The average I.Q. is almost identical, as it depends on whether the specific test weighs things like verbal intelligence or spatial reasoning more regarding whether men or women do better on a specific I.Q. test. Men occupy both extremes of the bell curve.

[@neonnoir741]

BPF rules

[@KoLecnac]

Can Modern-Day Debate maintain its claim to neutrality when bringing grossly mismatched opponents against each other?

[@mattwalmer6162]

I just got Rachel's book in the mail. Can't wait to read it!

[@mushroom11g55]

Andrew is an example of why you shouldnt drink and smoke. He aged wayvfaster than his wife, while white women are supposed to age like Milk, Andrew with his unhealthy lifestyle accelerated his aging.

[@Soulja4ChristWeAreAtWar]

Lav should take the spiders off of her face.

[@emofascist]

Im willing to bet andrew is just a tech in a factory, something anybody can do. I did it for 8 years

[@TheBubbaka]

1:27:48 "I grew up Jewish..." Every. Single. Time.

[@form4li7y]

12:30 Coder proves it's on the decline from the jump! Andy and Rachel didn't even have to try. 39:09 LOL!!! When Lab started on her non-sense around robotics I lost it! This is the most pathetically lopsided "debate" I've see.

[@tinahochstetler2189]

I don't know when's the last time I so badly wanted to reach through a screen and whack some sense into a person! She wants most of the labor force to be replaced by robots, leaving only white collar workers able to support themselves and their families. Not everybody is able to do those kinds of jobs, just like not everybody is capable of doing the heaviest labor. And apparently the two on the left aren't capable of any kind of physical labor. So little miss Princess want jobs that she's too frilly to do removed, and just leave people like me and my family out on the streets. She and the little dude there are free to move their lazy, spoiled selves to any socialist country that will let them in. Advocating to get rid of most people's livelihoods because they are lazy and spoiled is unacceptable. Their kind have been doing it all along, what little they can get away with. And they cheer our suffering as an improvement. Like Andrew said - that woman knows nothing about the work other people do. Nasty! Now my entire night is shot beyond repair, and I'll probably still not be right tomorrow. Can't watch anymore of that loud mouthed Princess. Forget the rest of this episode. BARF!!!!!

[@tinahochstetler2189]

Back the next day trying to choke down the rest of this show with those two dim bulbs. Is the spoiled loud mouthed princess drunk? She giggles and squeaks in a bizarre unnatural way while she rambles repetitively and interrupts a lot. grossing me out and ticking me off all over again.

[@NolanHawkeyeAnthony]

School is massively tailored towards women. I graduated 2013 and yes if you got in a fight, you would be suspended and then expelled the 2nd time. Or the 1st time depending on how bad the fight was

[@Jess.Anderson]

Who makes robots? NERDS. 😂 Not brute force ...at least when it comes to inventing, designing, and programming. Sure, having someone strong to help physically put the pieces together might be convenient, but if you lack brute force you can use intelligence to find solutions and create tools and machinery to help you complete the job. A change is happening. Men and women are both less brutish and aggressive compared to cavemen/cavewomen, and we are all continuing to evolve along this path of higher intelligence (including emotional intelligence) and less pure physical strength. This change is good and natural. Not evolving and being frozen in time would be unnatural.

[@bangbang6863]

Who builds the machinery and tools that help build the machinery and tools?

[@Jess.Anderson]

@@bangbang6863 Not sure where youre going with this? The smart people are the ones who invent those things. Can't lift something? Invent a pulley. Or maybe you are talking about who manufactures things today? Obviously things are manufactured in a variety of countries, and factory work is done by both men and women. In many countries the majority of factory workers are women. So again, the beefiest of humans arent really needed.

[@bangbang6863]

@@Jess.Anderson its obvious I'm not talking about who manufacturers random things or factory workers. You lot are so dishonest in your arguments. Who builds machinery??

[@Jess.Anderson]

@@bangbang6863 Im not dishonest, you're vague. What do you mean by build? Do you mean who makes the first design/ invents it? Nerds! Smart people! Who assembles it? Factory workers! How many himbos made inventions? 😂

[@bangbang6863]

@@Jess.Anderson oh my you're being dishonest and you're not aware. Probably a condition of your ego not wanting to be wrong. You said if you lack the brute force to assemble machinery you can use intelligence to come up with solutions to create tools and machinery. Who assembles those tools and machinery? You need strong men to do that.

[@TheJamesBibleKing]

I would be interested to see a debate between Andrew and his wife. I’m sure they agree on almost everything that’s fundamental, but I would like to see some topic that maybe they disagree on and using debate tactics against each other.

[@Watchmegrow26]

Am I supposed to think radical coder is some sort of intellectual because she was playing with a Rubik’s cube at the beginning? 😂

[@AhFahted]

Did you say “she” on purpose? If so, kudos🙌🏼

[@joeyn985]

Lav puled out the old NAXALT nonsense. The point was the vast vast vast majority of women opposed womens suffrage. And her response is "yeah but a lot did support it" 😂😂😂

[@ronrhea2001]

Lav had to blaspheme and take the Lord's name in vain. Naturally.

[@briansharp339]

It comes down to the artificially generated dynamic of power filtered through a particular nature of morality, care based morality as opposed to justice based morality, and a lack of balance between the two.

[@unpresidented4131]

MDD awesome debate and I really liked the halloween vibes with that ghostly apparition at the bottom right that was a nice touch 👌

[@joegreen4501]

These idiots are living in a terminator movie 😂😂😂

[@Amos_Huclkeberry]

Future top for debate: "Should voting be a right?"

[@mbn89]

The little girl is kind of bad faith, she's so uncomfortable making any kind of point that she tries to laugh off every single thing she says. Can't say a single damn thing without laughing at herself.

[@bubbacosta8758]

Lav isn’t a tradcon she’s more a tradK

[@randywest4831]

It makes sense how radical coder is the way he is. Hes literally prescribed legal amphetamines 🤣

[@nokiot9]

I attribute a lot of this to feminism. For decades men have been told that women like emotional and sensitive men, they’ve been told that their positive masculine aspects are “toxic”, and it has had an effect on how they see themselves which has a major negative effect on how they interact with the world.

[@tarfielarchelone2674]

"Their positive masculine aspects are toxic" This feels made up because every instance of toxic masculinity I've seen criticized was something that most men also criticize. "Stop telling young boys that sleeping with their teacher is ok" - (you can go to any video with a female teacher being arrested and see roughly half of the comments stating things "man that kid shouldn't have said anything". "Lucky bastard fucked up a good thing" etc. (Consistently calling other men lesser) fuck that's probably what lead to all the confusion today about what's a real man.

[@Siegfried5846]

They do like emotional and sensitive men though. Just look at Titanic

[@nokiot9]

@@tarfielarchelone2674 a lot of people take “toxic masculinity” at face value to mean “all masculinity is toxic. Men and women alike.

[@stevendouglas3781]

@@Siegfried5846they like pretty boys because they’re on birth control.

[@stevendouglas3781]

Which is by design. Cultural subversion. Basically war.

[@EGstill85]

There should be a threshold for people having an ability to make cogent arguments. As much as I disagree with Andrew's Christian Nationalist worldview, he's at least able to clearly articulate his points and remain consistent. Lav is clearly making her arguments on the fly and Coomer is just pro whatever's trending in regards to Twitter progressivism, regardless of the self-contradiction of those ideas. Actually embarrassing to watch.

[@stevendouglas3781]

You should reconcile the dissonance you have. It doesn’t make sense to reject someone’s worldview if you find them to be clear and cogent.

[@jimjohnson9622]

Here's the breakdown of the debaters. Radical Coder has some serious creepy Jeffery Dahmer vibes. Lav ruined her body with a bunch of ugly disgusting tattoos. Rachel secretly would like her neighbor to make her feel sexy the only problem is they live like 4 miles away and she is busy with the kids. Andrew looks like someone you want on your hockey team except nobody has time to play anymore. James is looking stellar as always and this guest mod looks like Beetlejuice. And nobody looks like their profile picture on the video. What a night!

[@RadicalCoder]

Incredible analysis jim thank you for your service

[@jimjohnson9622]

@@RadicalCoder you're welcome buddy but I'm not going up to your apartment for a beer. That never ends well.

[@BenThorpAkaAbel]

haha too harsh on RC; Lav said the tattoos were pen; Rachel YES; Andrew clearly wanted to grab a beer with Lav after the show and play daddy and ask her for more details of her OnlyFans etc.

[@sorguvasfen2426]

The conservatives were acting more like stereotypical emotional sjws than the liberals were

[@jimjohnson9622]

@@sorguvasfen2426 no they weren't

[@tinahochstetler2189]

"The traditionally female roles are what's going to humanize us." ??? What does that even mean? Humans have not been human until men became feminine? Or is she saying masculine men are not human? Sounds like some toxic feminism.

[@PharaohsNews]

So the “No” side ceded the debate in their opening statement, weren’t prepared or coordinated, didn’t have anything they brought into the conversation besides talking points that everyone has heard & somehow shamelessly proceeded to try and debate. Lazy, undisciplined & completely arrogant.

[@tinahochstetler2189]

Here's the thing about all the heavy labor Lav say women can do. Yes. Some of us can. Very few will match the strength of a man to do the really hard labor. A few might. Others will be assigned the lighter labor. But the other point she's missing is, very few women even want those jobs. She keeps saying, well men probably don't want to either. That's because she doesn't know any masculine men. Whether or not men or women either one want to do the hardest heavy labor - men are mostly the ones doing it compared to very, very few women.

[@NPC-qf8pc]

How can you even debate this? Yes side won immediately, just too funny

[@mitchellGrossman-z2y]

Ok, I worked repairing robots as a die tech for ten years. I don't have any idea how they really work other than my short diagnostics

[@hailsagan8886]

Growing up in the 80s,most men wore more makeup and spent more time on their hair than women

[@chuck9483]

Lol most men wore makeup? Dude you're crazy.

[@tinahochstetler2189]

Those two just don't get it at all. Ryan said he's appreciated Rachel's "Assertiveness, dominance and competitive nature, and logic" and thinks women should be able to embody that. And says that proved his point. What point? That both men and women already have both feminine and masculine traits, as they always have, and this very recent push to make that acceptable is pointless, because it was already acceptable? And far more common before this bizarre social engineering experiment to try to push, coax, beg and in anyway get people to tinker with gender, gender roles, gender expression. these two and others like them are at least fifty years behind the times. They're going to run themselves ragged 'fighting for' something the already exists, while simultaneously ripping it to shreds and stomping it into the ground.

[@LeeroyGainz]

“We don’t need masculine men anymore” im sorry dear, you have never been needed either

[@realBowfree]

50:00 No, Andrew, I'm sorry, but you're wrong. iQ is NOT heavily influenced by enviroment, however it's roughly estimated to be between 80-90% genetic, and 20-10% is influenced by environmental factors, including nutrition, which is the heaviest weight on iQ. There's a plethora of data on this, including studies that separated twins at birth and placed them in different environments to find their iQ in adulthood were the same. Same thing with race. Separating black twins and raising them in wealthy, highly educated families to find their iQ was the same as their twin.

[@chuckiesrus1399]

I would have liked to hear more from Beetlejuice even though they were a moderator

[@amyanndiamond13]

Have you seen most men under the age of 25? Of course they're less masculine 🤦🏼‍♀️ 😂

[@YourKaiiness]

Imagine trying to mansplain "might makes right" unironically 😂

[@Amhectornogunny]

Lav must be engaged to Mr Slave

[@doctorkazoo]

A lot of these debates feature a clueless gorgeous woman like this Lav. The girl with the beard was very annoying.

[@ZealousPower]

Sent by her tribe

[@johnanderson9403]

James nice try jumping in to try and save lav and the coper but both of them have no clue what they're talking about