Are Necromancers RIP? Diablo 4 Server Slam Reveals Extent of Nerfs, & more...

[@Rhykker]

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[@jonrich9675]

forgot to add map at 10:30.

[@ambitiousdentist6076]

ANY CUT AWAY IS JUST A PURPLE SCREEN MAP AND KFC.

[@MrGilfred]

If I am right and the numbers on the lower portion of that battle pass are correct. Then those numbers represent character levels. So when you skip to tier 20 battle pass you must reach character level 20 before being able to use it. Also I highly doubt that it will take you longer to reach battle pass 20 than level 20. If it takes way long to get to battle pass level 20 before character level 20. Then the same thing happens at battle pass tier 90 which would likely be character level 90. Meaning you would be character level 100 but still only around battle pass tier 70=-80 which wouldn't make any sense. It would mean that it would take you longer to complete a battle pass than it would to reach level cap which wouldn't make any sense at all.

[@maddogpcgs]

The battlepass is almost exactly what they have in Cod MW2, and with season 3 they've started to put up packs that have P2W dynamics affecting DMZ mode, wouldnt be surprised if this is pushed into D4.

[@thewolf01x]

After playin necro is this beta *I want a refund*

[@BourbonJRA]

The nerf was maybe needed for Necro but they’ve gone the complete opposite end of the spectrum with it. I shouldn’t be having to resurrect every single one of my summons after a single group of mobs. Losing a couple in a boss fight maybe, but right now it just completely ruins the class. I don’t know who asked for this change.

[@taronzgaming7739]

Nobody did. People said they wanted more things to do with the corpses. Blizz said Ok, we'll kill your minions constantly, so you can resummon. The monkey paw of using more corpses is complete.

[@nicholassiewerth2602]

I don’t find any issue with the change, maybe a tad more life, but it is a skeleton… what do you expect. You just have more corpse management to do now

[@toreq1127]

@@taronzgaming7739 i think the problem is that the community is so big and has so many conflicting requests while blizzard dont really have much time to respond to them therefore we get changes like these

[@motherpigeon1582]

What do you mean after every pack?Did you even played or you just repeating others statements?Necro is still op.

[@krninja22]

@@nicholassiewerth2602 Because people want AI to beat the game for them.

[@duhteacha]

I agree that the Necromancer is approaching the point of being unplayable. I do spend most of my time respawning skeletons. In a boss fight, I am so focused on keeping my skeletons in the fight, that I can't focus on the boss attacking me directly. The Necromancer has always been my preferred class, but I may just switch over to the Wizard if this continues.

[@ExcessumGaming]

Lol switched with my necro to normal world tier And skeletons die as fast as on veteran In any event they are dead 1s after being summoned on normal WTF!!!!!!!! Maybe someone forgot a 0 somewhere when editing the files. You cant use even corpse explosion as you re-summon minions 99% of time and you have no corpses left for anything And I have the mastery skills for extra hp + pretty decent gear. Yeah fuck that. You cant even keep 1 minion alive for 1 second during event with necro atm Its fucking unplayable And thats on NORMAL difficulty, as I switched just to check if its any better!!!! Its refund time I guess.... unless we get some reply quick and get it fixed before release. Its like 101 how to destroy a class and kill all the fun. Our whole discord is fuming atm.

[@TheSteost]

@@ExcessumGamingrefund time over a temporarily underpowered class? That’s a bit extreme I would think, especially since we don’t know how the paragon system will affect things. Necro could still be top class at endgame where we will likely spend a majority of our gameplay time.

[@Jimboquacks]

I agree. The nerf to the skeletons was too much. Corpse explosion is the necro best attack ability and if I am wasting the corpses on constantly making skeletons then I got no damage.

[@Zeb75]

Haven’t tried it yet. But now I will. I have to see.

[@wolfthug666]

I THink necros should be = to barbs n have more

[@rayvincyful1]

Hey Rhykker, we are folks.

[@HeroInTheSun]

U r a meth victim?

[@Dark-Lord-Of-The-Sith]

I played a Pet Necro to 20 today and also in the last Beta. In the last Beta the skeletons hardly ever died. Now, yes, they die all the time. At level 20 with all the passives to give them health, they get one shot quite often. In dungeon Boss Fights, I am spending most of my time summoning or healing the skeletons. I don't care that they are invincible anymore, I do care that they are more fragile than D&D skeletons with all the buffs. A stiff wind one shots them now. Difficult to maintain Decompose on the Boss for the corpse generation while you have to constantly either summon or heal the skeletons.

[@Kyleen86]

yeah I agree I spend more time trying to keep skeletons alive in boss fights then killing the boss

[@MichaelKing-qe6uq]

Yeah, the skeleton management became an absolute chore, and it was easier to just turn them off, especially for boss fights. Necro was definitely due a bit of a nerf, back in the previous weekend I kept checking to make sure I was actually in world tier II when playing necro, it felt so easy. The tankiness nerf to the skeletons was perhaps a bit too much. It's OK to need to spend some time to resummon from time to time - but not all the time.

[@soulofmen]

Whats worse, if you die to a boss, now you have to spend time trying to "farm corpses" just to call back minions that die in seconds. Necro feels so garbage.

[@sven8633]

A pet build should have you manipulating/ summoning pets. Not having them on autopilot and speccing into other builds(blood/ bone). If a player wants skeletons to live longer they must spend the points to make them last longer, which means less in blood and bone skills. Bosses will always be a boon to pets as they output tons more damage. Balance is required. After paying my bear druid on boss fights and during multiple times, i respecced into earth for the fight and only needed 2 potions. The team needs to balance aspects of every class so that boys fights do not require respeccing skills.

[@godofm3tal1]

Sounds like a skill issue. Aside from boss fights I hardly lost skeletons even in world tier 2. But they are still worlds tankier and more useful even in boss fights than summons in D2… which are so bad you may as well not even build into summons and most people don't. They just build poison/corpse explosion and have a golem for tanking.

[@Burmingham1967]

All I see for "the map" is a purple screen. Am I missing something? Actually, when the KFC rewards were mentioned, I got another purple blank screen. I did update my video drivers so I could play D4 yesterday, but I hadn't noticed anything else unusual.

[@michaelrouillard8172]

i had the same

[@ivailobalevbalev1504]

Me too

[@Bloodglas]

his explanation is in the video description

[@Twilligtwalker]

yeah for me too

[@Nonster87]

I tried necro and it was pretty bad. Having to resummon the skeletons constantly was boring and tedious. It made bosses nearly impossible. They just killed all the minions instantly everytime I summoned them. Which effectively made me strictly a caster when I wanted to use minions.

[@trxe420]

Exact right words, boring and tedious. I get the nerf, but make it fun at least.

[@AVEN6ED]

I played it for the first time during the surgery slam and enjoyed it, but I didn’t have a reference point. I was able to do everything on WT 2 and even killed ashava

[@floyd7107]

by the time i was level 14-15 and had all the minions nodes in the skill tree i had little to no issue maintaining minions, if you also synergise it with bone spear vulnerability and decompose with the rune to also enhance minions further -- it was trucking the game.. Honestly for most people to be having these absolute moronic takes people must be so clueless how to play an ARPG. Not to mention it will only get exponentially more stronger with more skill points, legendaries, uniques, sacred / ancestral uniques and the paragon boards.... yes... thats right... that many things you are forgetting.... like holy fuck

[@freekderks1983]

have you tried getting good?

[@watchingyoutube_]

build issue

[@animegeek6118]

They went a bit to far with the nerfs to the Necro. It’s actually ridiculous how bad it is right now.

[@joeramsay6269]

This wasn’t a nerf, it was a massacre

[@SilentDr34m]

It's level 20. You can't be like it's nnuuurrrffeddd. When it isn't even end game.

[@____GoMeZ____]

@@SilentDr34m Exactly. This is how your character SHOULD feel in act 1 normal. Not blasting mindlessly while blindfolded.

[@SilentDr34m]

@GoMeZ~GaMeS yup, we have some diablo 3 fans looking for millions of damage 😆

[@EtherealBias]

@@SilentDr34m yeah, but the problem is the game shouldn't be focused on JUST end game. it's about the journey. It should be fun getting to end game, not having the game be fun only when you reach end game

[@Cobatsart]

There are some fights that just feel unplayable as necro now. Even if you heavily invest into summoning minions and keeping them alive, some bosses will just instantly wipe your entire army and leave you struggling to make more corpses to bring them back only to have them get completely wiped out again. And even in situations where your minions can live for a little bit longer, it's still tedious having to constantly monitor your minion count as they drop constantly left and right. Not to mention the fact that a heavily injured minion takes ages to heal after combat's over and you can't just despawn and resummon one.

[@timvallier9701]

I found myself wanting to just respawn them as well that or have the priest summoned when their full heal them

[@REE-Animation]

The whole concept that you need corpses is a great fantasy, it just doesn’t work in this game. The necro need a different system.

[@koreanbbq2376]

Last beta i didnt need any talents for my minions, now I have the talent that increases their health and damage by 45% and they STILL get creamed by everything. They need to make it so when you are at max zombie stacks and use summon minion it full heals and buffs them if they are going to make them as frail as they are cause as of rn Im prob just gunna respec and just use the passives for not using minions cause honestly youd probably better off

[@deadeye0o]

Now you know how druid feels

[@ExcessumGaming]

Lol switched with my necro to normal world tier And skeletons die as fast as on veteran In any event they are dead 1s after being summoned on normal WTF!!!!!!!! Maybe someone forgot a 0 somewhere when editing the files. You cant use even corpse explosion as you re-summon minions 99% of time and you have no corpses left for anything And I have the mastery skills for extra hp + pretty decent gear. Yeah fuck that. You cant even keep 1 minion alive for 1 second during event with necro atm Its fucking unplayable And thats on NORMAL difficulty, as I switched just to check if its any better!!!! Its refund time I guess.... unless we get some reply quick and get it fixed before release. Its like 101 how to destroy a class and kill all the fun. Our whole discord is fuming atm.

[@Doct0rLekter]

For reference, I took every Necromancer passive buffing minion survivability, and have 2 +10% minion life pieces of gear, and I still can’t keep minions from getting wiped to any strong boss

[@ShinoSeven]

This 100%, I even have 6 legendaries and not only does my minion dont stay alive long enough to DPS, but I'm gimped too because I hit like a wet kleenex with 6 leggos because I had to spend 6 skill points into minion passives + gear up accordingly + skill up in ways that ensure a steady supply of corpses to use for revives. Its just not fun to play, I swapped to Sorc after killing Ashava and it feels fantastic, I kill bosses in seconds that my Necro now struggles to kill in minutes. Imagine how weak the summons will be in Nightmare/Torrent difficulty

[@gaberielpendragon]

Seems like a good place for them to be, they shouldn't be able to hold up against strong bosses.

[@ExcessumGaming]

Lol switched with my necro to normal world tier And skeletons die as fast as on veteran In any event they are dead 1s after being summoned on normal WTF!!!!!!!! Maybe someone forgot a 0 somewhere when editing the files. You cant use even corpse explosion as you re-summon minions 99% of time and you have no corpses left for anything And I have the mastery skills for extra hp + pretty decent gear. Yeah fuck that. You cant even keep 1 minion alive for 1 second during event with necro atm Its fucking unplayable And thats on NORMAL difficulty, as I switched just to check if its any better!!!! Its refund time I guess.... unless we get some reply quick and get it fixed before release. Its like 101 how to destroy a class and kill all the fun. Our whole discord is fuming atm.

[@KrayZGames]

@@ShinoSeven Summons will never be good against bosses. Just accept it and try another build.

[@Daidalos66]

@@KrayZGames but why there is this build if its useless ? its iconic build for necro

[@paulbecking2595]

The dumbest thing about the necro summons now is that you can’t resummon them. Like in d2 when your skeletons were low and you had maximum amount of them, you could just use the new corpses and resummon the low HP skeletons. Now there’s no such opportunity and feels crippling to the summoner play style.

[@Xenon129-nq6hz]

I think what they are doing here is that ability to sustain minions are going to be some form of perk from legendary items. I think to be able to make minions strong in early game is just not balanced and not fun. They want you to figure out how to make the build work later in the game. Necro was still very strong without them in World Tier II.

[@azaraphiel1698]

You can, just invest in skills that generate corpses. The tool is there, just use it instead of pretending the problem can't be solved on your own

[@Xenon129-nq6hz]

@@azaraphiel1698 I think he is saying that re-summoning minions when on low HP should refresh. That is not available in skill tree, but you are right. We should be trying on our own to figure out how to make builds work.

[@FelisImpurrator]

​@@azaraphiel1698 It doesn't work well. The heal is over time, last I checked. Not even 100% sure whether it stacks the total heal or just refreshes the 5 second buff timer in practice, but it's far too slow to heal up skellies that are being attacked. They're dumb as bricks, too.

[@ArmadilloGodzilla]

Agreed, not being able to resummon after a fight to continue fully healed was bad.

[@joeramsay6269]

Love how you told people to close their eyes, only to show a nonexistent map, and apparently the devs don’t plan on ever giving us a map overlay 🤦‍♂️

[@TheTehroar]

I was really confused.

[@ToastedSynapseGaming]

That just got that 3rd party sites going. Max a week after launch and you could probably have it on your phone while waiting in line at a drive through, lol :P

[@cata112233]

​@@ToastedSynapseGaming what are you talking about?

[@cata112233]

​@@ToastedSynapseGaming what are you talking about?

[@ToastedSynapseGaming]

@@cata112233 Maps of all zones, loot tables, event calendars and all those good min-maxing tools that people use :)

[@fragehardt]

Hey Rhykker, just wanted to pop in and say that you are by far my favorite and most respected gaming journalist/channel, and it's for good reason. With you I always feel that I am getting as unbiased/objective information as is humanly reasonable. You clearly do your homework and always make sure to do the proper research necessary before putting things out there. Even when you do give your opinions (which is a good thing), you make sure to do it in a way that is qualified with "this is just how I feel" and then proceed to devils advocate for the other side of the coin. All in all, you are the absolute best at what you do and I do not say that lightly. I have so much respect for you dude, please keep up the amazing content. I will be sure to give you the algorithmic comment/like as much as I can. Thanks for everything, Rhykker!

[@Rhykker]

Thank you for the kind words :)

[@xDaeWolf]

Map @10:35 didn't pop up. Thanks for the news bro

[@Prakx9]

At first I thought he was doing a joke

[@Rhykker]

Sorry, check description

[@VileVamp]

I love how they nerfed corpse explosion but not the legendary that made it OP. Meanwhile, rogue solos ashava and sorc obliterates everything without trying.

[@nothingman5656]

I love necro, I previously went necro before the patch notes an I died to butcher. During the slam I played rouge, killed butcher 3 times didn't even get close to dying, carried an ashava fight. All those lvl 20 players had no legendaries one was still using a blue lvl 12 sword. We still won 😂

[@dark-durkx3694]

Having to consistently resummon your minions is just terrible, the whole point of a summon Necro is to mange the battle with Curse's, corpse explosion or other skills. Now i don't even have time to use some skills because your minions die so fast its a pain just keeping them alive and against boss's forget about it. Instant death and then resummoning is pointless. They need a huge buff..

[@Daidalos66]

with fresh start of new character, I was shocked when 1 trash mob took with 1 hit about 20% from my skelly :(, this is not fun

[@DouMobile]

Summoner Sorc did not need to get quite so heavily gutted - nerfing all of Ice Blades just seems egregious - it might have still been playable if they'd increased the enchantment requirement OR reduced the CDR effect, but doing all 3 definitely goes too far. Same in a number of other places - absolutely MASSIVE nerfs, perhaps in an effort to not go too "D3" (i.e. buffs for balance)

[@jamvng]

dont forget this is lvl20, the build is probably easily viable at endgame.

[@DouMobile]

@@jamvng I hope so, because it doesn’t really play now, but was great previously (solid Tal Rasha vibes)

[@gotaplanstan]

C'mon. I was gonna play it too, and had theorycrafted a better iteration of it than I'd seen anybody else do. The build was literally gonna break the game. Did they overnerf it? Yeah, I can agree with that. But to say before it was "great" is also a massive understatement lol

[@gampie13]

@@jamvng no it woun't, the frost blades numericly does not mach up for it to "loop", and lets say EVEN IF you get the looping back, and can have lets say 4 constant blades, their dmg was allways trash, the entier point off the build, was to have something realy tanky, that buffed/d-buffed for party play. The only reason it "looked" like it did dmg in the last test, was that mobs have f-all hp low lvl compared to mid and lategame

[@DouMobile]

@@gotaplanstan I meant more the way it played than how powerful it was - the power helped, sure, but it wasn’t my primary interest (I have always been a big fan of the hydrasha build, which dated back to like… pre-Kanai’s Cube seasons in D3 - active, flashy, etc - and the summoner sorc had a similar enough flavour)

[@martinivanov5617]

they even nerfed the druid now it doess 12 dmg this people are crazy

[@senoka4638]

Back in the day, Diablo 2 Summoner Necro changed gaming forever for me. It was then I knew I'd be a summoner main in any RPG i played that allowed me to do so. I loved the concept of having a small army do my bidding while I help them from afar. But that's just it. In a well made summoner character you are helping. You aren't the main dps. You aren't the focus. They are the tanks, the damage, and even the healing sometimes. For them to see the problem with the D4 necro being the fact they survive too long is just baffling to me. Summoners have almost always been safer builds to play. It's part of the style. If you want to balance it better you lower the damage. D2 players all understand that necro summoners were a bit on the slow end compared to most other builds. But because summons weren't constantly dying, it's still a S tier build for solo and team play. The added tanks and damage is welcomed in almost any party. Nobody saw them as a nuisance. Anyway, I hope Blizzard fixes this. The summons should have decent health. Just lower the DPS a little if that's an issue. Don't ruin an entire fantasy for us long term necro players because of terrible balancing.

[@Vladskiy]

I absolutely LOVED the first 2 betas. Even got all my non arpg friends to join me and they enjoyed it. I was excited to hop in again and check out the changes. I was a necromancer main last beta and it was by far the most fun for me so I couldnt wait to do it all a again. I got my new necromnacer to 15 and could not contine playing. 100% of boss fights and big packs consisted of just running around trying to use any corpse to pick up a minion only for it to die again in 3 seconds. I actually just wiped over and over to a basic side quest and just stared at the screen for a few moments shocked at how unfun and unplayable they made necromancer. It was absolutely depressing and made me lose interest in the game. I understand that op classes and skills need nerfs but it seems that they just gutted everything across the board making the game less enoyable in general. Overall the game felt much less fun this beta in my opinion and I hope these kind of drastic nerfs dont become a regular thing.

[@Delpnaz]

Pre-Order = TRAP

[@dathorak578]

100% agree.

[@kirkpatrick5219]

Can’t they just give necro a buff now?

[@kocreate]

Thanks for the awesome video man! :) Heads up at 24:55 you did not show anything on screen for the KFC thing. Not sure if that was intentional or not. But overall man, great video as always!

[@punkchaz]

They have not found that middle ground for the necro summons yet. I spend more time trying to summon my skeletons than I do other skills now. There needs to be this middle ground. I am not sure if this would help either but if there are enough corpses on the ground one skill use should summon the given max amount that you need. Say there are 6 corpses and you need 3 more skeletons you should not have to hover over the 3 corpses and hit the skill button. You should in a radius hit one corpse and it consumes 3 corpses and gives you 3 skeletons leaving 3 more corpses.

[@koreanbbq2376]

Having minions is fun, having minion management is not. Personally I dont think minions should have health bars and I dont think boss monsters should be distracted by them, in packs of mobs sure but a boss should always put pressure on the player

[@crypticxxii]

The Necro minions did get nerfed too much, but I prefer being a Bone Necro (sacrificed the Skeletal warriors but kept the Skeletal Mages in order to freeze enemies) and that was still a viable build, I do think the Bone Splinters damage was nerfed a tiny bit too much though.

[@XerXcho]

Are the screenshots from this video missing only for me? Like the Fracuted peaks map and the kfc promo

[@jacobtoler7435]

No it's not only you same for me

[@Rhykker]

Sorry, check description

[@NADster36]

New drinking game: Take a sip each time Rhykker says "battel pass" in the Diablo section of this video. ;)

[@FloridaGoth]

I'm trying so hard to not form opinions off a low level cap and small examples of armor abilities. The nerf feels bad, but only Diablo knows just what's in all the loot

[@DemocratSocialistRob]

Is it just me or does the images mentioned (like the map & KFC promo) not appearing for them?

[@daedalus5070]

I think he forgot to add them 😂

[@Rhykker]

Sorry, check description

[@BlitzRazor]

I have to ask, for the Diablo IV stuff like the map and KFC stuff, is it an error that it is not on the video? or is that intended?

[@Rhykker]

Sorry, check description

[@wilhellandmagiocrity3642]

The Necro minions absolutely died last beta. Any high damage boss skill last beta was wiping your minions out. Now elites can do it... All in all it makes the class not fun. People play Necro mostly for the minions, if they wanted to be a spell caster they would pick Sorc which is far superior. I played minions, all life skills and had some minion life percent on rings, still had to solo a lot of the bosses with my minions literally getting one shot the second they spawned. Blizzard needs to really rethink this issue. The melee mions should not be dying so much at all. The mages could be squishy and it would not be so bad if at least the melee minions stayed in the fight.

[@wikidnumb]

I've played Sorc and Necro in all 3 beta so far. While I do agree with many of the adjustments that took place, some seem way too drastic a change. The Necro. My favorite class since original D2 days. There is NO reason why I should have to spam summon my minions, even in non-boss fights. Even with the passives and stat stacking for that 30% carry over, they are just not worth it. ESPECIALLY in boss fights... you cannot generate corpses fast enough to keep up your army, thus making the necro unplayable. In the event you do happen to get enough corpses, you're moving around so much in said boss fights that you cannot precisely target the corpse to summon. Suggested changes would be to scale their survivability up to about halfway between the last beta and now. The other thing that would GREATLY help, is rather than having to target the corpse to summon, it is instead turned into a massive AOE that automatically uses any corpse within a 'x' radius of the necro. The Sorc... sigh. I like the challenge, but the survivability seems almost non-existent. I'm not looking to breeze through a dungeon without problem, but I should not have to kite elites through the entire dungeon just to wait for my Armors to come off cooldown before attacking again. Not able to speak for other classes, but I feel they over compensated the changes, and ended up making both of these classes (almost completely) unplayable.

[@gotaplanstan]

If you're having to kite elites that drastically, you might need to reconsider what skills you're pairing together. I didn't need to last time around, and I haven't this time either. And that's with completely different builds.

[@wikidnumb]

@@gotaplanstan The amount of kiting is a bit of an overstatement. The issue remains. You can spec to do your best to keep the minions alive (barely) or actually do some kind of damage and not worry about summons. However, this is a necro, the WHOLE point is to play with minions. Please, if you are not having issues keeping your minions alive, do share... because you'd be the first necro I've come across since yesterday that doesn't have the issue.

[@gotaplanstan]

@@wikidnumb oh, sorry I should've specified. I was referring to sorc. You shouldn't ever have to kite down corridors if your build has enough synergy and damage output + cc

[@wikidnumb]

@@gotaplanstan On that we agree! I am quite enjoying my cold sorc. Giving me flashbacks of my D2 days. But alas, I weep over the lack of... well anything, with the necro. As for the sorc, even properly built, she is more squishy than she should be. Though I expect that will not be the case as she grows in strength.

[@robforskinstein]

After getting my rogue to level 7-8 I just had to stop, the game isn’t nearly as engaging as I’d hoped.

[@hctaz]

Unless I’m crazy, Shred’s first hit always had a dash effect associated with it. I think that is just a tooltip clarification. One of the modifiers to shred was something like, “every hit of Shred now has the dash” so I think they just forgot to tell you about the Shred dash last beta. I was using it as a gap closer the entire beta.

[@Cecil_Harvey]

Confirmed, I did the same in open beta. I remember being pleasantly surprised when I realized it had a dash since yea it wasn’t in description.

[@trevyoung7737]

No it was the emhancement that added the dash, now its baked in

[@miragemaster-1]

@@trevyoung7737 First one always had the dash, I chose not to use the unique (or passive? whichever )in the 2nd weekend as I specifically felt the 1st dash was enough. It's strictly tooltip.

[@postmortemarts505]

yeah it was always there

[@2052brad]

@@trevyoung7737 no. The first hit always has dash. It always did. The enhancement adds dash to each hit.

[@hctaz]

I also agree with your stance on giving the Diablo 4 team some charity to what they say. I honestly do not think any of the recent problems surrounding Blizzard and their games have anything to do with the actual dev teams themselves. I do think the directive to put these monetization schemes into their games that we aren’t happy with is solely down to the directive of management. I don’t think any sane developer would be like, “I can’t wait to develop a really fun game or mechanic and then put a paywall up in front of it.” Like money is good and all, but it doesn’t necessarily directly benefit these guys. I don’t think anybody behind Diablo 4 OR Immortal purposefully lied or deceived us ever- I think anything that we hate from Immortal came from the suits and not the devs. I’ll give the D4 guys some charity, but I won’t extend it to Blizzard suits. The devs on any project will ALWAYS have my support though. It’s not their fault.

[@davidworobiec9088]

I lvled Necro 1-20 in less than 2 hours yesterday, skellies die really fast, but the healing them is also a major issue. Skellies need more health but also way more healing from the priest because consuming 7-8 corpses dont even put a major dent in their health bars. Bone spear + corpse explosion felt good blowing whole groups while defender skellies were distracting mobs, all this while I was generating 9 essence per corpse consumed, so overall I would say Necro is still super strong except no crazy single Boss damage anymore because skellies hit like a wet noodles.

[@Ben_sh]

Priest heals 10% per 5 sec so you need to sit for 50 second and 10 corpses for full heal, not spam corpses.. still sucks as hell though.. needs to be instead of priest, replace lowest hp skelli or something

[@palladiamorsdeus]

Healing doesn't stack, there's a small green bar below your health that fills up when you consume a corpse to heal them, they just heal at 2% per second. There's a trait that gives a big boost every five seconds but we don't get that in the slam.

[@ZeroEdge69]

You played a Bone + CE build, with minions on the side. Of course it felt fine. That is the build the nerf was for. The problem is the collateral that came down with it, the entire Shadow Minion build, that is designed to exist by how many skills synergize to boost your Minion damage while enemies are afficted by different Shadow DoTs. The build cannot function now, because all the minions die too fast to get their extra damage, even with full investment possible.

[@danielbeshers1689]

"You're advertising demons!" "We're advertising KILLING demons!" "... I'm still mad!" But in French, obv.

[@Omezo]

Necro has always been my favorite class and is my favorite class whenever it’s available in any game. That being said, I love the idea of having tons of minions and me taking the sideline letting them do all the work but me managing them buffing them healing them… that’s the point of a zoo build… unfortunately, that sort of build is dead currently. There were so many times my minions get wiped in seconds and I don’t have any corpses around to re-summon. Also, the fact that you have to consistently keep re-summoning it’s just really annoying, and not fun at all. The fight with Ashava is pathetic with a zoo build and I had to respec and play something I never would to contribute to the fight. Zoo necro is not in a good place. I’m hoping and praying they fix this at launch.

[@ianpryor8976]

I totally agree, the nerf bat came down too hard. I spent most my time running around and praying for corpses and my minions survived only seconds. was absolutely no fun to play this server slam and as of now Necro is off my starter list fo live game.

[@InfoRanker]

Minions shouldn't be dying to anything but boss monsters and rarely at that. They could have nerf'd them in another way but dying minions makes people not want to play with minions. It's sucks, it's not fun, and nobody's going to play them in their current form.

[@philmillspaw6657]

Excellent job by Blizzard into traning everyone to call people who paid 70 dollars for their game "free players"

[@seband87]

I only play Necro and was going to play all weekend. After an hour, I decided it wasn’t worth my time as things are right now.

[@TylerMcX19]

Playing a necro … minions die pretty easy no corpse no minion summon, fight a boss far less corpse generation, a lot of the dps if not most of how I play is corpse explosion.. minions and corpse explosion need a corpse have to be extremely careful or you run out of corpses and die even trash clearing have to be careful

[@Berus7777]

Classic Blizzard: Wildly uncalibrated, unrestrained use of the Nerf bat. Don't just correct something - COMPLETELY CASTRATE IT.

[@GoneZero]

I started off as a necro and I gave up switching to a barb, it was so weak by the time I got to around 15 I was still getting my ass absolutely stomped from default enemies.

[@nepocrates]

Wow I'm loving the Necro but I do not summon any minions. I have only died 3 times and one of those times was to the butcher at level 8.

[@GoneZero]

@@nepocrates Ill probably try again then without summons

[@sneaky5141]

​@@GoneZero spoilers its terrible

[@blech71]

I was summons on start then switched to the other ground dot/corpse explosion/bone spear build. Feels a tad clunky but it’s powerful enough to get things done.

[@sneaky5141]

@@blech71 youre made of tissue and bosses decimate you

[@paulblaszkowiak9105]

Outstanding work Rhykker. The sighing before stating the Reddit username cracked me up.

[@missingdice]

"Play your way" unless your build is too fun or strong then we'll nerf it. good ole blizzard.

[@Undeadangel]

I remember them saying diablo immortal, that they said you couldn't buy gear... gems aren't gear despite having all the power. People are finicky because the group known as Blizzard is the ones that did this, not any specific dev team.

[@djay9593]

I appreciate your consideration to ppl who don't want to get spoiled by the location of altars and you telling likes me to close and open the eyes. Lots of love from me for that xxx

[@SuperLifestream]

Just use a diablo 4 interactive map. plenty if you google them

[@alexcunningham9012]

It was a blank screen lmao

[@johannesnagengast7643]

@@alexcunningham9012 this. 🤣

[@grim3897]

I have always been a minion master player, I like the concept and was excited for a powerful minion heavy class, I don't care about summoning or resummoning while in combat, it's part of the fun but if minions are deleted in a single AoE attack which the boss/elite spams like peanuts... this mechanic becomes as useless as the minions. It doesn't matter how much you spec into minions or anything, they just die to elites/bosses and as soon as you run out of corpses, which is pretty fast, you are deleted even faster as you have no way to defend yourself. So thank you Blizz, you saved me 70€ which will be spent in actually fun stuff. We all know the game will break records in sales terms as we necro minion players are not a big piece of the cake, even so, I wish all the fun to un-nerfed class players

[@STOUTIM0US]

Cant believe you showed the beta map with all alters and dungeons and more.

[@Rhykker]

Sorry, check description

[@STOUTIM0US]

Ha, I thought it was gag. Jokes on me😅😂

[@mague2169]

I played through this weekend's server slam with the same summon necro build I used in the previous beta and boy does it feel bad. Minions really do die instantly to bosses, which makes those fights drag out endlessly while you're kiting them around as a half-assed caster. Once all your minions are dead, it is hard to justify using the scarce corpses that you're able to generate for new summons, as they will die immediately again. So, summoners are in a weird spot right now because you can't really play out the build's fantasy and the playstyle doesn't feel "more active", as devs intended according to one of their beta feedback interviews, but rather it feels very unrewarding and tedious. I think numbers should be tuned to somewhere in the middle between last beta and current patch.

[@Snickerv12]

Yes, the main thing I was looking for in Diablo and being excited for was a battle pass. That’s what I love I’m my games. I wish there was just a game called battle pass that I could pay a sub for, then buy an accelerator and wait for the next month to come up. That would be pure gaming for sure

[@solomonterrell3051]

PLZ TELL ME THIS IS SATIRE 😭😭

[@heymelon]

Have not played this beta because I didn't see a reason to. So I haven't tried specific changes but I'm a little worried with this trend of significantly nerfing things, rather than brining other builds and classes up to parity. Now the brokenly op stuff of course needs turning, but it seems to me from your video and overall feedback then they maybe did more than that.

[@77rockcity]

Yeah, this server slam beta didn't feel good. Had alot of fun with the other two beta tests.

[@boyangochev6836]

@@77rockcity My personal opinion: Actually it felt great, apart from a few outliers the skills were pretty even which makes choices matter. Being OP while you wear white gear is not fun at least for me. When you get a good legendary you get a nice dopamine boost. I agree skellies were a bit overnerfed but after the hotfix they were fine enough. I was farming dread man's with ease. Yeah Necro is not OP in early game as it was in the 1st beta, but a litle challange is welcome. If you want easy mode go to t1 and farm there. I can't stress enough if you want to play a walking simulators go walk in the park. If they add the resummon when a skeleton is low this will fix most of the minion issues if you ask me.

[@dethsightgaming]

started yesterday with a lightning druid. got him to level 11, then rolled a necro. and i do agree with the general sentiment that (specifically in boss fights) the minions get 1 or 2 shotted. still wish we actually had control of where the skellys went during fights. since their AI seems to just be "always on the boss no matter what ground effects are under him." or, maybe give a freshly summoned skelly a short buff to defense or something. that way your not clamoring for corpses during the boss just to re-summon a skelly and it get yeeted to the moon.

[@jeremycosta5390]

You're specd wrong if you are having problems

[@Griffonul]

Cheers as always for the video. I have enjoyed the server slam quite a lot. ( I managed to lvl up a druid to lvl 20, fight the ashava for 4-5 times I think and failing twice). There were lots of amazing moments, the beginning was quite slow, but honestly, looking back I really enjoyed the druid, leveled him up as a werewolf and a storm druid mostly in the end leaving him as a tornado druid. My concerns mainly are around people, the times I have failed to kill the Ashava we were all lvl 20, quite a lot of us, but after about 2 minutes of fighting people would either leave and none would appear and we ended up being too few to kill it. Also a lot of AFK people. Secondly I love the legendary powers and +talent stats, but at some point I felt forced to play with the talents I had legendaries for (I suppose this is not a concern for end game) After I was done with the druid I played a little with the Sorc, and honestly I personally enjoyed the druid more, decent damage and high survivability. Looking forward to the launch!

[@sven8633]

100% this. I also played druid, but started Bear. Some Boss fights clowned me hard. Had to respec into earth for those fights. Then went Wolf/storm in the end. I am not a fan of feeling that legendaries are determined my builds. Also finding legendary with a solid feature but having the basic skill stats for the wrong class is a terrible tease.

[@ScytheNoire]

I played Diablo 2 back decades ago, and when they said they were nerfing the minions, I knew it was going to destroy the Necromancer. They've done this before. They don't seem to learn.

[@joelressell9871]

Exactly! No lessons learned. I saw this and immediately thought about the witch doctor pet buffs for this same reason.

[@ralphzimmermann]

yeah im playing through d2 again, just got to diablo, and i had my entire army deleted 4 times in a row as diablo chose to do lighting hose and the fire on the floor attacks as his first move. literally had to town portal, go to act 1 summon up a new army and repeat. lol necro on D4 isnt quite that bad on bosses, though some bosses you are just running around with zero minions trying to survive, but at least on d2 normal monsters don't delete your army like on D4.

[@hellcoreproductions]

Of course you can hold a Blizzard team in the same esteem as other Blizzard teams, they work under the same banner. It's up to the D4 team to prove themselves, not the customer to give them a free pass (hehe).

[@dragonriderabens9761]

thank you! I don't blame anyone for their reservations on any of their claims about monetization

[@rentonthurston3904]

True. It’s apart of the overall brand. And the execs are signing off on everything

[@SilentDr34m]

Makes no sense. They work under the banner. Which is under execs. If they want pay to win they can have it. Hard concept I know.

[@erbsplays3869]

Everyone saying "they went too far the other way" with the necro nerf - its not even about the power, its that they made it less fun / more annoying. If they nerfed it by tweaking the numbers then fine. It's that it FEELS bad to play now. The fantasy and the fun that a necro player is looking for is running around with an army. Making your army die and suck is not what a necro player is looking for.

[@steel5897]

Good point. This kind of argument can get lost in the sea of "nerf bad" noise that you get when ANY kind of nerf is done. If it were up to reddit and forum users then things would just get buffed infinitely into endless power creep. There needs to be a much deeper conversation.

[@cooperton4949]

Rhykker: "This team who has never lied to us" D4 dev team "endless customization, play how you want" Server slam summon necro: "hmm"

[@joelhodoborgas]

Rhykker is too much of a fanboy and it detracts from their journalism

[@poffo954]

Necro is a meme class for now compared to the rest. Hopefuly they will buff it along the way but as a start class you will be wasting your time.

[@Xenozfan2]

I ended up using the shield skeletons because my skirmishers kept dying. It was a lot easier to play, especially since I put points into other skills as my main damage dealer.

[@loser-nobody]

Grats to you! This video finally established my phobia for the word battle-pass! I couldn't make it 6 minutes in to the video without screaming at the onslaught of mentions.

[@jaanklouman255]

As some one who plays almost exclusively Necromancer, this latest beta run has convinced me that unfortunately Diablo 4 is not going to be ready even by launch. We play video games to escape the real world for a bit and feel like a hero. Facing a boss battle that has killed your skeletons and has a long wait until enemies spawn to provide you those crucial corpses makes you feel far from a hero. Thank god for Last Epoch which has done an amazing job of finding a superb balance and have huge respec for those developers being so connected to the community. Blizard are trying hard but who the hell was in the meeting evaluating the Necro nerf and said 'lets run this in the beta and get the players feedback'? That combined with scheduled world boss times means that you have a game where you need to plan your life around it? No thank you. I pity the parents that will now have kids complaining they can't leave yet because the world boss will be on in 30mins. Open world I get the idea but when the world has full player base, without a mount, you are forced to run long distances with absolutely nothing to do. Then when in isolated session you can have loads of enemies which feels great as long as they are not one shot-ing you. Diablo 4 is most definitely not ready for next month based on what I currently see. There will be no pre-order or day one purchase from me.

[@matheusmterra]

They killed my boy, the Necromancer! I was so happy that a pure summoner build was possible for necro in D4, since in D3 there isn't one and in D2 you need end game gear with very expensive rune words to make it viable, during last beta I had a glimpse of finally fulfilling my fantasy of leading an army of the dead. Now? Summoning sucks! I can't even summon the Skeleton Priests to buff up my summons and make a damage rotation because I have to spend so much time re-summoning my minions that 80% of the fight was spamming Raise Dead. I really hope they revert ALL NERFS to Necromancer, but remove that interaction of Blood Mist with that legendary that triggered Corpse Explosion, that is a problem legendary power. Necro felt amazing to play last beta, on this beta I even gave up on the mount because I don't much care for the gameplay of any other classes. Unfortunately I pre-ordered the game, but if I hadn't, this would be a deal breaker for me. I bought Diablo 4 to play as a necromancer.

[@m3divh]

So in general druid had OK survival and BAD damage... They compensated it by lowering his damage and increasing his survival? Uhm... Ok? So he is supposed to be tanky? How does that solve his super-slow early game?

[@vindictiv6880]

Also none of (mainly melee class) issues are fixed : no passive ressource regen, bad experience with bosses that spam AOEs everywhere around and on themselves, too conditional damage (like overpower on bear requiring to always be at 80% max HP or more, good luck to achieve that when it matters like bosses), slow clunky attacks/transitions in werewolf/werebear animations, etc

[@thatman8848]

Same. Did not have fun with the druid. Same build...I was like come on I am slapping like a wet noodle.

[@Aspectt1991]

Druids are doing More damage now, past beta I had some problema, now I am dealing More damage

[@thatman8848]

@@Aspectt1991 nah its not just dmg...melee still blows. I REALLY had to spear in my build this time around. So I cant agree.

[@Aspectt1991]

@@thatman8848 im having no problem this time around, i shredding everything with the druid now, also is just lvl 20.

[@Bzk--]

The necro nerf killed the class for me, the minions being strong was the whole point for me and why I had fun playing it, if the nerf isn't reverted I guess I'll just stick to barb or rogue.

[@ericmccarter1763]

Honestly I didn’t think they could make barb worse than before, but I forgot how good blizzard was at fucking up. I am talking without Legendaries(which none has dropped as of 12 hours of play). I understand this is not the end game however if players get this frustrated leveling how many seasons if any are you going to deal with this?

[@Brekner]

I'm not even sure if I'll make it to the end-game at launch, let alone any additional seasons. This looks bad...

[@UseAndGo]

it doesnt matter is it WoW/diablo/anything they still find ways to funk up the melee classes

[@chancecoffey4887]

You can shelf that shilling. Blizzard as a whole has given PLENTY of reasons for distrust. The community is completely justified in not believing them.

[@GXTerra]

About Necro summoner build... atm it is super bad... dmg is not that great, they die too fast in boss fights as you said and I was left alone with my minion buff spells to fight a boss with massive hp and I just spit and run around on him... skeletons need a "sturdy" buff if you know what I mean...and dmg buff 45% is great on paper, just not shown in practice. As necro main I really hope they do smth about this as I can't see Necromancer without skeletons in a fight... its like wizard without magic

[@Sekraiii]

Tbh the nerfs to Sorc are far worse than those to Necro, the only really good build was the CDR one for Sorc and now it's been more than gutted. Real shame that instead of fine-tuning they just started chopping things down to the ground.

[@Brekner]

They probably realized that the content they have right now wouldn't last more than 3 days with how strong the classes were and started thinking that nerfing everyone would increase the /played....unfortunately, when you're not having fun in a game, you just stop playing, and those 3 days, instead of becoming 5 or more, become 0 or 1....

[@AG-bp3ll]

Necro is a seriously tedious class to play after this change. I went from for sure buying the $99 version to waiting a few months to see what changes. I wondered if all these nerfs are to drive people to the expensive battle pass.

[@ZeroEdge69]

Why would balance nerfs drive people to a pricier battle pass (that does not give any way to advance faster in terms of player power and progression)? It's most likely going to drive people away, and request refunds. Did you miss the first part of the video about the Battle Passes?

[@AG-bp3ll]

@@ZeroEdge69 I said I wondered about it. This video cleared it up.

[@theduke3896]

Logged in. Tried the necro. Found out it sucks now. Quit game. Not putting in actual work to progress that won't save.

[@rentonthurston3904]

The beta was the first Diablo I had ever played. Necro was my favorite character with rogue in second. After beta I went and played all of 2 and 3 (sitting at ~1500 para rn) but was super excited to play my d4 necro again this weekend. Now it just isn’t nearly as fun. Wish they just buffed the melee classes

[@thatman8848]

Yeah, just finished day 1 here and my mrs and I were not feeling powerful or even had any fun. Just felt tbh very shoe horned into one build for each class.

[@Brekner]

@@thatman8848 So pretty much like D3 where they over-buff one set each season to push players into playing a certain way? lol

[@thatman8848]

@@Brekner pretty much my impression mate.

[@alexfierro1298]

I got lv 20 on Necro, Barb and Druid. I got 6 legendary items on my Necro, I killed Ashava. But the Necro nefs are too severe Minions die instantly. I would say all classes nerfs are too much, barb is horrible now, Thorn bleed build is dead. While Druid on the other hand now feels strong. Everything was overperforming in the last beta, we had easy access to legendary gear.

[@CMald]

You explained the battle pass confusion much better than Llama did for sure. Looks like he was right though, and they don't intend for it to be P2W. Cause he was sure they didn't mean to make it that way

[@freezax4]

There is no need for battle pass. Do not know why they even put ashes on it was kinda stupid.

[@Guanjyn]

I really don't understand their thinking with making skeletons easier to die. Summoner has never been a great boss killer and now if you are fighting a boss you pretty much have to completely respec and take the "sacrifice" options in the book of the dead. If respec costs are going to be super expensive later then it's looking like summoner just will not be a viable build at all.

[@Saint_Cuthbert]

I wish the world boss spawned more often. Only every 3 hours for 24 hours total 😢

[@johannesnagengast7643]

For me it was more than enough time.

[@Izzy-tu9oq]

It was a holiday weekend too. I had to do family stuff and never got to see the world boss.

[@johannesnagengast7643]

My wife was kind enough to grant me the time I needed. After I did Ashvara in WT2 I haven’t played anymore anyways. So 🤷‍♂️

[@mattl1807]

Is there supposed to be no map? Maybe it's an editing error in your video?

[@kimsebimse6603]

if Necro is RIP at launch, then i wont play the game.

[@The2Adventures]

Literally not a single person in the entire world gives a soggy bog roll if your playing or not.

[@kimsebimse6603]

@@The2Adventures they might do if im not alone in this. and listening to Rhykker, im not :) So blizzard might listen to me and others in the community and change the necro.

[@The2Adventures]

@@kimsebimse6603 don’t hold your breath.

[@kimsebimse6603]

@@The2Adventures i dont, but at least this way i have tried :)

[@zeroBRS]

@@The2Adventures L take necromancer is super popular class. Did you even ask why we get necromancer back in D3 even tho we got Witch doctor that is clearly there to replace Necromancer? I know atleast one of my friend that buy D3 reaper of soul when they know necromancer is back. So yesh maybe you don't BUT Blizzard sure care.

[@LowHangingFruitForest]

They also said they were buffing the book of the dead and nerfed it.

[@jonathanblanks5899]

Petless Necro seems more viable so far at level 16. So far that's what I'm using. The priest heals is so weak it's better to wait for a pet to die and resummon.

[@grayden4138]

Is there a reason why the screen is blank when you were talking about the D4 map and the KFC promotion, respectively? If an image is supposed to be showing....it's not.

[@Rhykker]

Sorry, check description

[@UOSDaishinta]

Your take on putting faith in the current team, rather than putting every team, every employee under the same banner as a really crappy few is an argument I've been trying to have for months. The current team has been incredibly forthcoming and transparent and deserve way more credit than the general community have been giving them.

[@testtestlast4306]

Company culture matters.

[@UOSDaishinta]

@@testtestlast4306 I never said otherwise. It 100% does, and as far as we've seen progress is being made. But the damage done will take years and years of work at the very least. This isn't limited to Blizzard, as Riot and other companies have shown the entire industry needs a good hard shake up.

[@nephleim3748]

They did over nerf the health/defense of the melee skeletons... the golem dmg is a very weird nerf. Unless the buff to their damage/life passive was to prevent a non-summoner from having a strong golem. I'm just worried they won't allow summoners their fun in favor of d3 style of play

[@z0ttel89]

You forgot to include the map in the video lol

[@Rhykker]

Sorry, check description

[@DelBoy573]

Hey golks, this is Shykker

[@malkav3119]

Nice info. I didn't know if I should buy the game but this sounds so much like they don't get their S together with balancing that I probably will not buy it. I don't want to spend 100 hours to farm gear for a character just for the defs to come around like: "this build is way to strong! We will nerf it into the ground. Have fun grinding 100 hours for another character"

[@Knight_Marshal]

Using the same HotA build for my barbarian, I died more in one day than all my characters for both previous betas combined. I died so many times against Vhenard that I left the dungeon and didn't go back. I had a 3k repair bill.

[@Brekner]

They kept item durability for some idiotic reason, it adds NOTHING interesting or fun to the game...

[@RockoGoblino]

I totally trust D4's team to keep things cosmetic and not add any p2w into the battlepass. If they do that... they'll loose a bunch of players that, at this moment, think D4 will be an awesome game. I love the sorcerer changes :) Never thought I'd play a flamewall build and it is amazing!!!

[@connorcolella9354]

They need to fix the minions back to the way they were, the minions essentially died on the harder fights and you can resummon which is great for a summoner focused build. The corpse explosion build did need a nerf as the harder content shouldn't be dying as fast as it did but the minions were perfectly balanced the way they were before i'm not sure why they even needed to be nerfed to begin with considering as the class is essentially unplayable and your minions die in one hit on normal mobs and on boss fights they also die in 1 big swing and it's even harder to resummon them during that encounter so a lot of people essentially want a refund now or they are "Forced" to pick a different class essentially.....I hope they speak on the matter soon as the community, even the content creators are baffled by how bad it is.

[@Dgnine]

Thanks for giving credit to that team Rhykker. Seeing their enthusiasm and excitement talking about the game, I share the same feeling. They wouldn't lie to us, and they genuinely care about having a great game and making the players happy. But yes, if at some point the game is not profitable enough, P2W is a possible outcome, and nothing we can do about it...

[@testtestlast4306]

We can chose to play better non-p2w games instead, thats what we can do.

[@Fast_Cabbage]

I can't see the map. Is it there?

[@socialdistancing1289]

honestly the game feels even worse then previous beta, even more rubber banding and lag issues. they put in more annoying things like fear and knockback on enemies, games feels in a worse state imo

[@MrLove-666]

Thx @Rhykker for pointing out KFC, since we both live in/near Montreal lol *side note: Sorceress/Necro nerf sucks. Harder yeah, so it's good and challenging; Fun factor? Dropped just like nerf numbers. Don't have time to try Druid Lightning build sadly..

[@syco470]

I had a crazy amount of fun the previous 2 betas but this beta does not feel fun. I'm sure others are having fun but something about the class changes make it feel, idk... "slower" and/or my character feels less "heroic". Sure the game needed adjustments but maybe they went a tad too far.

[@darksavior1187]

Agree, I only tried Necro and Sorcerer, but both felt underwhelming.

[@bigburd7232]

Same here. Maybe because I'm on hour 50 of the same world and bosses, or maybe the classes just don't quite feel right anymore

[@MarcFromNijmegen]

I enjoyed the previous 2 betas, but this time round I feel so underpowered and i'm just not enjoying the game right now. I feel like a peasant in a death struggle to survive.

[@PK_Rocking]

Drink every time Rhykker says battle pass… I’m drunk 1 minute in :)

[@NokturnalMTG]

My brother and I level to 20 within a few hours and after around 6 hours we still didn't have a legendary. I kind of prefer it that way though. It keeps the game challenging, tactical, and exciting when you finally get a drop. I'm just happy blizzard is making changes and is so responsive.

[@ThatWhichObserves]

They stated previously that the first 2 beta weekends had an increased legendary drop rate, this was not a nerf, this is just how the game was intended.. the first two betas they wanted players to get hands on with literally all the items they could for feedback.

[@NokturnalMTG]

@@ThatWhichObserves yeah I know. I liked it more this weekend than the beta. When we killed Ashava and got a few legs it was rewarding

[@avrilcadabra]

If I understand for those wanting or needing to do the campaign when the battle bass comes out, free players will get to begin the battlepass after the campaign, but tier skip players will get the XP boosts during the campaign just from leveling?

[@Vulgaels]

Necro nerf was way tooooo much, druid minion build is quite awesome but thats basically the only damage and no tank build. Weird changes

[@paulmdevenney]

Yup, look at Immortal, we're all waiting for the "we said items are not pay to win, no one said GEMS would not be pay to win". No one trusts the execs. There is no reason to believe that the dev team will retain any creative control. BLizzard are not in a "trust first" position. They're in a "demonstrate and earn trust" position.

[@CombatEye]

Appreciated the D4 patch notes section for changes from last beta to server slam. Could be cool to see if a similar thing could be done with balances changes from server slam to release version.

[@camerongriffiths8875]

I noticed the change to summon health immediately, just swapped to a sacrificed summon build focused around bone spear and the legendary that buffs it and now I shred everything. The bone spear bolts with the fragments hits for 1000dmg and weakens each target on hit, focused into to that stat against weaken enemies and it’s so fun

[@dall1786]

That doesn't help the majority that just want a mass of minions. Both should be viable.