Are New Boats a SCAM!?

[@richardjohnson33755]

I sell pioneer, bulls-bay, avenger, sailfish, and more. I would say these prices are not bad. I throw in at these prices a gps mfd Garmin or simrad whatever you want. Those defects on the bulls-bay and avenger are not common I wouldn’t have the console door sitting like that it would have been fixed right away. And any other defects would be fixed and not sold like that. The Aqua sport I do not sell. They don’t live up to name anymore.

[@robertlittle8672]

They apparently have either no QC or if they do they are not very well trained, I Built and QCed for 34 years. They ain't what they used to be. Sounds to me like you are either in manufacturing or QCed also based on your eye.

[@unsafe_at_any_speed]

I've said this a hundred times about boats and automobiles. They are a hundred grand NOT because they're technologically advanced or high valued components but only because THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE WILL PAY FOR THEM! If EVERYONE said there's no way I'm spending more than 50k on that boat I GUARANTEE that's what the price tag would be.

[@Charlie_Waffles83]

You nailed it my friend!! Grocery stores, car companies, boat dealers, the oil industry and many more industries learned a lot during the COVID supply chain shortage. They learned that they can charge way more for stuff and that the customers will complain about it while they punch in their debit card pin for it. And best of all people they won't blame the seller or themselves they will blame the government as if they set prices for the private sector.😂

[@hkm_865]

People that buy these are like people that buy new Kia’s for $50,000

[@thebeddoctor4273]

New Kias are really nice.

[@recklesswhisper]

@@thebeddoctor4273 The Kias with the engines that shut down at a stop sign? ^..^~~

[@FreddyBoy1808]

@@recklesswhisperpeople only look at the outside on how it looks but they don’t thing of how good the engine. Or it is a long lasting engine. But when the engine starts to breakdown and that’s when they complain…. lol…. Look first and understand what you’re buying….

[@gregorywright1684]

How about comparing Boston Whaler, Grady White and Regulator? Show me why I should spend over $145,000 for a 21ft boat.

[@unsafe_at_any_speed]

Don't forget about Scout

[@spinfish1434]

The Bulls Bay has the best bilge access once you know the procedure to removing the bench seat. **Only takes a minute..Their bilges are set up well, clean, finished Gelcoat too.

[@dive2deepocean115]

Love the video man, awesome job. I had a brand new boat came in and the fuel hoses was hook up to the tank so fuel was dropping in the bilge when I went to fill it. Manufacturer sucks these days

[@primate2744]

This segment of the boat building industry is by far the most uncreative and lazy of all. These boat builders never innovate. The engines are designed and built by someone else, they just hang them on the transom. They leave all the modern development to other companies and just slap them onto/into poorly designed, antiquated and poorly manufactured components of their overpriced hulls. The problem is people keep buying. It's a sad, corrupt and uninspiring business.

[@gmm3780]

Really is.

[@SoenkeBrandt]

Love your video. Great to see the different boat builders and to see how boats are put together. Please keep them coming.

[@SaltyCrouton]

@@SoenkeBrandt thanks you! More videos coming soon

[@celticspike7]

? palm city yachts ​@@SaltyCrouton

[@mulletoutdooradventures6286]

Been fishing on a 280 cx Edgewater 2022. The amount of things broken and screws that have fallen out is absurd especially at $250 grand. I got a 98 Hydra Sport 1900 cc for $1500 with a trailer and running motor. Sold the motor for a grand bought a new motor for about $10 grand and put like $1000 in work. That boat is better then anything sold these days i can guarantee that.

[@davidatkins6919]

As a former Production Manager with a boat manufacturer I can tell you unless they use space age materials like carbon fiber or other new technologies then there is no way today's boats should cost what they're asking; I for 1 will not buy one! I am looking for a new boat but walk away when a dealer says that's $$$$ thousand dollars; I turn and show them all of defects in workmanship, poor rigging, cheap parts, etc. - pisses them off but that's what I intended- rude asking for top dollars when your boat is a piece of crap! And don't get me started on those boat trailers - junk as well....😠

[@shoegum7362]

I remember when $150k boat was a badass boat

[@Belmont148]

Bulls Bay, Avenger, and Pioneer are all made by the same company. Carolina Composites in Walterboro, SC. The owners are family with other notable SC boat builders. Key West, Scout, Sportsmen, and Tidewater. They all share a lot of resources. Upholstery, t tops, consoles and leaning post manufacturers for example.

[@wa210]

Not one of those boats worth 40k.

[@TheNickhammond]

How much are the engines alone?

[@BWboats]

Too bad you didn’t get to get on one of our boats while you were there. Would you like to come to our factory in Fort Pierce and see how we build them?

[@SaltyCrouton]

That would be awesome! how could I set this up?

[@crisspx7231]

NEW BOATS AND NEW TRUCKS are a scam!!!

[@Charlie_Waffles83]

Usually the dealer does the rigging and outfitting of the engine, guages batteries fuel filters etc. They get the boat from the factory with lights, steering components and hardware etc. then match up a engine and trailer and electronic package. Find a price and sell it . Thats what we did 20 years ago when I worked at a dealership selling McKee crafts, May crafts and Cobia

[@jimquantic]

Reminds me too of the RV industry. You pay a lot, up front, then take it home, get out your tools and go to work. What I think thy miss--is a guy like me can--but does not HAVE to buy their products. For that kind of money, I deserve to have it blow my hair back: design, execution of that design.

[@James-n3t6m]

Thoughts on Scout 2020 and after? Are they still having issues? Reviews are all over the place.

[@dannypena5649]

What are your thoughts on the Tidewater boats?

[@matthewjensen8600]

The pioneers are really a solid boat for the money. Have had mine for 11 years now holding up well. They have positive floatation just like Boston whalers and key west boats. Great customer service from factory. Not sure what else for the price point you can do better with these days. Most people that have them still like and own them. Good luck to all in the new market.

[@woodyahh2110]

At these prices you can build a custom mold and still be well below 30 grand

[@wa210]

100k IS a lot of money. Not one of those boats are worth IMO 40K. Yeah I am old school, where boats were considered expensive when each foot was 1k. Engines are too expensive these days as well. Buy used, and my last 2 boats I bought were one year old, after boat show buyers bought them, used maybe 3 times, probably got seasick, and realized they didn't want boat payments lasting 15 years. My last boat was a 24' Robalo CC..R240. Those twin 150 hp 4 stroke yammies back then were like 15k each. I paid 65k for it, a 2005 model. Built like a tank w/175 gallons fuel, and 6 gal holding tank, 10 gallons water. Heads in CC's are not worth it,,as a 10 gallon bucket will allow a normal plastic toilet seat to fit perfectly on top. Fill with a little water, use bio-degradable tp, dump overboard and dip to clean. Back in CC for storage. No need fancy toilets taking up space. Problem i ran into with our Texas average 2-3' chop was eventually cracked the TT top tubing. Problems with heavy fiberglass TT tops and gear mounted on top. Bracing tubes being hollow crack over time. At first Robalo wouldn't cover fixing it, until I orated about it on a popular Texas fishing website. Then Robalo caught wind, sent a 18 wheeler to haul it back to Georgia, replaced it with beefy new top, but took about 4 months. All that time payments continued, but no boat to use. So, new buyers need to be aware, if factory stuff goes wrong, first you need to jump through hoops to get warranty work fixed, and could be long time to get fixed, all while the payments continue. For me a 64 year old schooler, IF I buy a boat again in Texas, it will be a cruiser type fishing boat with cabin and gen set for AC. IF I end up back in Hawaii, which is the plan, a 23-25' World Cat left in Kona Hawaii. Flat water,,no trim tab worries, 2 engines. Even if I live in Honolulu, still cheaper to hop a quick flight to the Big Island, and Kona airport only couple miles to the harbor. Fish 2 days or so, hop back to Hono with cooler loaded of Mahi, Ono, Snapper, and Ahi. Even with hotel costs and air, cheaper to run offshore,,as half mile out drops off the 1k ' ledge. Savings in fuel pays airfare easily, and in my case, id 75 passes, as I am retired airline crew. Save money bigtime, buy USED. Avoid Florida hurricane boats. 🤙🤙🤙

[@surfstarcc1]

My 1999 Mako 221 still fishes harder than any of these boats ever will. New boats are nothing more than overpriced lightweight cup holders to get you to The Sandbar and back.

[@lanceforrest8828]

The gunnel covers are to be able to get the cap out of the mold.

[@Steve-Jody]

Wow ! A Great honest report from a KZbinr ! Unlike others that cater and charge to manufactures. IMO boats are now grouped into 4 categories Tier 1-4 These that were reviewed IMO fall in Tier 3 and 4 (msrp 75-150k) Would like to see a follow up of your same style with Tier 1 and 2 (300k to 500k and more) cutting corners when they shouldnt. Hope to see more.

[@SaltyCrouton]

@@Steve-Jody thank you! Definitely wanna do more videos like this in the future with higher end boats!

[@beachside1]

Sea Ray prices with Bayliner quality

[@datamack]

These are low end boats- like going to a Kia dealer circa 2000 and seeing all the garbage

[@Deepimpactocean]

I looked at a new seafox a few years ago and the build quality was atrocious. The upholstery and gel coat were about as bad as one could imagine. For about 15% more $, the Blackfin showed design & craftsmanship far superior to sea fox.

[@billydanzz]

Sheez...I remember reading a Popular Mechanics magazine when I was a 9th grader back in the late 80's and it featured the toys shown on Miami Vice. The article stated that the 38ft Scarab KV cigarette boat cost about 120 grand!....for a NEW go-fast rig! And here I am today looking at boats and finding Gilligan boats going for that much. Inflation is a mofo......

[@yasc7017]

The Cigarette that cost 120k in 1989 is 305k in today’s economy. 😅 Back in the late 80’s, using 1989, 120k would have been around 60k. Still that’s a lot of money for shoddy workmanship!

[@JohnDoe-rs7gh]

Absolutely are....Prices won't drop but once the new recession starts they will not go up anymore.

[@beachside1]

Would you rather have a single 300 hp or twin 150s

[@SaltyCrouton]

Depends. It’s always nice to have two engines for maneuvering and if one breaks you can still get home

[@robertlittle8672]

What dealership are you at or are you allowed to say??

[@1800KLIENFELD]

I’m still saving for a used Sea Vee. Screw it!

[@SaltyCrouton]

@@1800KLIENFELD those are worth the money. Not built horrible like the boats in the video

[@robertgore8911]

Crappy workmanship + an I don't care attitude + a dollar that's not worth anything anymore = junk!🧙‍♂️

[@FromRags2Riches1]

Better to buy a 90s boat and do your own updates.

[@SaltyCrouton]

@@FromRags2Riches1 couldn’t agree more

[@easterneuropeantracksuit3312]

What brands?

[@bigcraft4501]

I've only heard of two of the boats in this video, the Bluewater's are pretty nice and the Sea Pro's are thought out but cluttered, not surprised they're bad.

[@CaptDavesSportfishing]

Willie weekender boats. they build them like cars. stuff a bunch of bells and whistles in them. shit that will just break!

[@Bentleymetalworx]

I bought a new 2018 robalo R200 for 54K . Now the same boat is about 75k in 2024

[@Belmont148]

They build those screwed on gunnel caps because the boat is a 2 piece molded hull. You can't form that in 1 piece and still pop out of the mold so it has to be added later. If it is a 3 piece hull with a solid cap then you don't have that. Just the tell tale sign of a 2 piece hull vs. a 3 piece.

[@SaltyCrouton]

@@Belmont148 thank you for the knowledge! That’s good to know

[@jonmartin6451]

Everything is overpriced because in the end people will go in debt to purchase something.

[@ross.neuberth]

My 2005 back cove 29 was close in cost and even though she is 20 years old, I feel like I did get a lot more boat for my money.

[@billkeller8412]

Built cheap and sold at premium prices. I guess the industry is wanting us to buy used and leave the new boat market to the people that are willing to take out ridiculous loans for a toy

[@DustinKeating-yk3vq]

I paid 8 grand for my aluminum craft 1860 with a extremely clean Yamaha 115 2 stroke that has 130 psi on all 4 cylinders and it runs just as good or better than a boat that would cost someone like 35 grand

[@blaster-zy7xx]

Not a fan of two strokes. Noisey and dirty.

[@Oo7Hola]

@@blaster-zy7xxsaves you gas

[@BuoyBomberFishing]

Yes but then again. Its worth what you can sell it for and they do sell.

[@easterneuropeantracksuit3312]

What is a good consistent quality boat maker ?

[@jonesjones7057]

Pursuit, Everglades, Blackfin, Regulator, Blue Water, Contender. That's some but not all.

[@richdewitt760]

Caulked fuel tank access hatches beat cutting your deck open for a fuel tank replacement. Just saying that is a positive. If worried get your caulk gun out! Rich

[@SaltyCrouton]

@@richdewitt760 I think it should be built in a way where it shouldn’t need replaced for a very very long time. The very high end boats don’t do these because they install there fuel tanks the correct way which should last forever

[@1959classiclespaul]

Should have looked at the Bluewaters on the lot. Far better quality overall from fit and finish

[@goodson77784]

great name. subscribed.

[@joseramos7476]

What are your thoughts on Sea Hunt Boats?

[@SaltyCrouton]

@@joseramos7476 not familiar with them enough to give an honest opinion. Sorry boss

[@fins-n-skins7524]

Most of the modern crap is over priced

[@johnGabryowicz-ev7mz]

Lesson learned? Beware the heat shrink police!

[@stephenp-d7c]

Can you do the top tier boats like regulator and Everglades and Boston whaler especially with them being $300,000.00

[@fishawk90]

Those r some sleek looking Suzukis.

[@Agua-Sala]

I own a 2022 Key West 239FS, so far so good, not a high end boat but not bad at all...

[@uncleironhide165]

Great informative video! 120 grand..no trailer no electronics and mediocre quality at best. You’re a bit touched in the mind if ya buy that crap!

[@danybrown5598]

I totally disagree with price is high do to material cost. America is all about invest nothing get everything. Those $20 an hour laborers and the cheapest gelcoat, fiber, ect. There are no policing of greedy businesses so they do what they want, really hope they take a sht soon and welcome China. Support local businesses? Why big companies in US left? Small companies in US charge twice as China and the product is Mexican quality.

[@taylortydlacka4684]

I want a blackjack/frontier review and comparison to your mid price bay boats like ranger, blazer etc. I feel like anything that was made by Bill Kenner is the best quality and build for the price, and like to see your opinion. Even like 04 and earlier Kenner boats

[@SaltyCrouton]

I’ll try and make it happen!

[@southwestmirepnando6527]

You can refinish and repower an older/used boat nicer usually but bank won’t loan the money 💰. That’s why they can get these prices. Plus the long term financing they get you in make the product seem more reasonable to most.

[@SaltyCrouton]

@@southwestmirepnando6527 couldn’t agree more

[@fierceflyer5]

Need you with me the next time I buy a new boat

[@AMavridesR]

Man nice video topic, pulling in those views hard. After doing any work to boats/ other stuff like manual labor - we all start analyzing things like this😂 generally the new build quality isnt that great until jumping up a few hundred thousand more.. which sounds absolutely insane right?

[@SaltyCrouton]

Ya it’s crazy. You would think you could get something pretty decent if your spending 100k

[@mark5862]

Man I'm glad ocean boating has zero appeal to me at all. Just give me a 17ft Lund with 50HP and Rainey lake on the Minnesota and Canadian border. Nothing better

[@Charlie_Waffles83]

Grocery stores, car companies, boat dealers, the oil industry and many more industries learned a lot during the COVID supply chain shortage. They learned that they can charge way more for stuff and that the customers will complain about it while they punch in their debit card pin for it. And best of all people they won't blame the seller or themselves they will blame the government as if they set prices for the private sector.😂

[@sluggo1515]

The govt ensures that prices increase by printing money from thin air. So they don't set prices, they set the increases.

[@fishydubsfishing6516]

Buying a boat it's like buying a race car just take your money and throw it in the river you'll be better off in the long run

[@Reeldrivenoutdoors]

The takeaway from this video… don’t buy a brand new boat unless you are rich and have disposable income. Buy used and get your moneys worth out of your craft.

[@dive2deepocean115]

Know a guy that got a bulls bay 2024 with twins 200 for 115 With jl audio system, its all about where u can find the best deal

[@chrishenry5945]

To answer your question: Yes.

[@philipMorris-e9q]

BOAT stand for, Break Out Another $Thousand

[@blaster-zy7xx]

New boats are just too expensive.

[@jeremyfowler218]

That seafox looks like pure junk! Best production boat out there is Sportsman hands down. It’s almost as nice as some custom boats.

[@fairwind8222]

Maybe, the the real scammers are the young modern dealers! Work with an old family owned business is your best option

[@Bogtog777]

When it comes to buying a boat you must buy the name brands.

[@ChickContender]

Great video!

[@kellerbrooks6430]

The same workmanship you get in a new car. Overpriced and piece of crap.

[@JoeSteele-dz9rh]

You are being to kind! Quality and craftsmanship are gone. Why pay that kind of money for fiberglass and a motor. It's all a bad dream, time to wake up america, your all getting fooled.

[@yanceydavenport8657]

Sea pro was nice 👍..but still way high in price!.. its a freakin center console for crying out loud !!.. i font see 100,000 dollats in any 20 something ft day boat !!..

[@primate2744]

Yes. Yes they are.

[@anthonymurphy2540]

So 12,000 For 1997 22ft was a good deal with a 200 yahama that want die

[@SaltyCrouton]

1986* and hell ya it was knowledge is invaluable

[@alpuntodepesca]

Saludos buenísimo 👍

[@garplin]

look at a more expensive brand man

[@panamacitybeachbum]

Eye candy.

[@wymy1412]

Yes

[@tahataha3716]

هل يوجد للبيع

[@MetalDetectingwithCZkidd]

😂😂😂😂😂😂Been for years.

[@bkeenan85_outdoorlife]

YES!!!

[@tonywong303]

sea fox is absolutely trash

[@surfstarcc1]

Rule of thumb, if it's a new boat with a Suzuki on the back you don't want it.

[@haywoodjablowme2972]

alright karen ,,, we got it

[@chrism2042]

There are higher quality boats out there in the $110K - $120k range. When I was looking for my first 24' bay boat, spent a year going to dealerships here and there and a couple boat shows. I looked at Ranger, Avenger, Tidewater, Sea Hunt, Sea Pro, Pathfinder and Sportsman. As I looked, I was finding new boats on dealer lots that had zero hours, never launched in saltwater, but steering wheels, rod holders, fasteners, hatch hinges and latches corroding and rusting. Not a good look for a saltwater bay boat! Bilge access? Ridiculous on most boats! I kept going back to one manufacture that has top quality, some of the best ratings for bilge access in the industry and all Gemlux hardware and rod holders. Purchased my first one in 2019 to find the boat was very high-quality construction, solid dry ride in rough conditions and great handling boat, just purchased a new one 3 months ago. 24' bay boat with hard T-top, Yamaha 300 with electronic steering and fly-by-wire controls, jackplate, Seakeeper ride system, (2) 12" Garmin MFD with trailer in the $120k range. If guys will take the time to go check out the boats paying attention to the build quality, wiring, hardware and components, they can get a boat ready for years of use instead of years of aggravation and headaches with constant problems.

[@SaltyCrouton]

@@chrism2042 what did u end up buying?

[@chrism2042]

@@SaltyCrouton - Sportsman Masters 247 bay boats. I even looked at a few different boats prior to buying the 2024 Sportsman, couldn't bring myself to taking chances on some of the others with quality and ride after owning a Sportsman, so I went back with another Sportsman. And their customer service! I had a couple questions on the Nema backbone connection for other Garmin accessories on this boat, sent Sportsman an email and had a reply within a couple hours with a photo from a current boat in production showing me where the new connections were located. Same with a couple other questions I had, very quick response. Unless another manufacture starts building a very user-friendly boat with excellent quality, I don't see myself buying anything else other than a Sportsman in a bay boat or deep-V. People make a mistake by not taking a look at Sportsman boats prior to purchasing. I paid extra to upgrade the trailer on current boat, I upgraded to a Ameratrail. I had Road King trailers on previous boats and a Venture Commander series for my last Sportsman boat. After seeing the construction and quality of the Ameratrail trailer and making several trips towing, well worth the upgrade cost, especially if the boat will be used in the saltwater.

[@SaltyCrouton]

@@chrism2042 nice. Out of all the boats I looked at in this video the sportsman definitely looked the best in my opinion

[@Kyle-cw3wo]

Dude said two five five