Are new darts too expensive? Or are they great value?!

[@DartsClass]

Let me know how expensive your darts are and how they compare to equipment you use in other hobbies! 👇⌨️

[@stevendymond4]

I have paid 80 on a set but the set I use at the moment I paid 50 and I play just as good with my £50 darts than I did when I used the darts that cost me £80 so my thoughts are that doesn't matter how much your darts cost wether you spend big money or little money

[@frenkiefrenk8419]

Mine is 50 quid. My brother darts however were like 250 pounds and he lost them.

[@DartsClass]

That's one of the main problems is that they're pretty easy to lose

[@DartsClass]

Yes you're right, once you reach about £30 they're all similar, you're paying for the design and the makers name

[@Grandi74]

I have a set of Harrows Predators that cost me £30 and a set of Harrows Torpedos that cost me £25 (I think) both in the same weight. They are great. Slim enough it fit 3 in the treble and just the right amount of grip. I’ve borrowed more expensive and had either the same or worse results. Once you get past £35 it’s much of a muchness in terms of performance. You are paying for design and makers name. 👍🎯

[@WorldwideDarts]

The main theme of my channel is... "Great darts don't have to cost a lot of money". Luckily all of us have easy access to Darts Corner and they have 100s of darts that cost around $20-$25usd. I honestly don't care how much people spend for their darts as long as they understand that expensive darts WILL NOT make you a better player. I played some of my best darts with $14usd generic 95% tungsten barrels. 👍

[@DartsClass]

Agree, each to their own about how much they spend, but as you say... More expensive won't make you better. However, there is a market here for players who want a flashy set and the brand name, and I'm cool with that 👍🎯

[@WorldwideDarts]

@@DartsClass You should see it here in the states. Blows my mind. There's a couple brands that players just have to own. The Laserdart Black Widow is one of them. The most basic dart you've ever seen in your life and they sell for well over $100. Funny thing is, they used to sell in the UK for £13

[@johnbrackettii9468]

@@WorldwideDarts your not kidding, you saved me tons and pure darts is great as well many times darts corner wont have my weight but pure darts does. I play tournament locally in the states and if I wanted I could flip a 20$ dart for 45$ quick but I tell them quit spending that and send them in the right direction. Appreciate what you do. I certainly dont want target and shot to drive prices up but you can get beautiful show room darts at darts corner made by shot much less than targets darts and shot is higher quality imo but red dragon or unicorn darts seem to always be spot on

[@craigalderson5623]

Great video!!! You make your videos fun and interesting!!! It’s great that you have lots of hobbies other than darts!! Thanks for sharing your hobbies and I am looking forward to the next video. 👍👍

[@DartsClass]

Cheers Craig. Yes... Its my biggest time issue.. My wife hates it... I hate that I don't have enough time to indulge in all of them a bit more! Glad you enjoyed it, I have another coming before the grand prix on Tuesday 👍🎯

[@BigGriffDog427]

I’ve just bought Matt Edgars 21g Loxley darts for around £56 . I think they were worth it. I would pay up to £100 for a set. Your video is good for putting perspective on the issue. People should buy the new darts they want if it’s something they use a lot !

[@DartsClass]

Thanks Anthony. Spending around £100 on anything is definitely worth considering carefully, but the time used and pleasure darts gives me I think £100 works out comparatively cheaply to most hobbies 👍🎯

[@itsliamburbs]

Nice video man, makes sense when you compare it to other hobbies. At first I thought they where expensive but now I get your point 🎯

[@LoveDarts]

Great vid bud! I buy all the bloody expensive stuff! Favourite darts are solo gen 3. Expensive but suits me! Would like heavier 23g ideally.

[@DartsClass]

It's each to their own, but as far as hobbies go, even the most expensive ones aren't going to break the bank compared to most hobbies. Think next time I have a change I'll treat myself to something a bit flashier

[@LoveDarts]

Darts Class message me your short list and I will tell you what I think. I have thrown almost all the expensive ones

[@MatadorDarts]

Well explained Bryn now you put it the way you have you're probably right about the use over price. For me personally my last 2 sets of darts have cost £18 and £11 and they're as good a dart I've ever used although simply machined compared to target darts etc

[@DartsClass]

The only difference is that if you have a guitar for £100 vs one for £1000 it probably is 10x better, but there isn't that much of a difference between a cheap set of tungstens and top of the range targets to warrant it... They aren't going to make you better.... BUT I have no problem with people spending £100 on a set of darts at all. There is definitely a market for it 👍🎯 cheers for watching mate

[@MatadorDarts]

@@DartsClass yeah I think the areas you covered everything you pay extra for are better material, craftsmanship, design etc whereas darts you only ever really pay extra for craftsmanship and brand

[@danielgraham4282]

I genuinely fancy that new Target set that’s about £150, I currently play with a set of Target Nathan Aspinall’s they were £40, lovely set of darts, but why not treat yourself to nice things if you can afford them? Like you said about your guitars, I’m the same, you can buy a £500 Epiphone, and it will basically do what a Gibson does, you can play gigs, record a number one album, whatever, it’s not going to hold you back, but if you can afford one, amd want one, and can justify to yourself spending the money, why not go and spend 2 grand on a Gibson? I have a great Epiphone Les Paul, had it 20 years now, but last year I decided to treat myself and bought a Gibson Les Paul, the truth of the matter is, I don’t care what anyone says, the Gibson is just nicer in every way, maybe not better, but nicer. Anyway, great video again 👍

[@DartsClass]

I had an epiphone back in the day, now my 'gibson' model I use is Tokai Love Rock. Sings just as nice as any Gibson I've ever played! Thank you for watching mate 👍🎯

[@davevleminckx4954]

Great comparison.The most I spent on darts is on Target Phil Taylor Power 9Five Generation 6 Swiss Steel Tip 95% (82.95£ without the shipping cost I'm from Belgium, so) And they lay there with all the rest. Used to do archery the bow costs around 1000 euro's my vizier (flemish for somekind of scope) that you can adjust by the milimeter is around 112.5 euro's the arrow's around 10 euro's a piece. So, ... & everything lay's there for more than 10 years now. The darts you can pick up & have a throw at your board. No travelling. For archery you need a stand & enough space. Archery was horizontal 17m & vertical 21m ;-)

[@Grandi74]

Great video and an interesting topic. Darts are pretty cheap compared to my other sport. I cycle as well and just to start with a half decent starter bike is £500 plus all the other bits. What I would say is even though darts is relatively cheap in comparison to other sports, the price of darts continues to rise with the average price now being around the £50 mark. It doesn’t seem as though it’s that great value for money with certain brands and models. I understand that with some models you are paying for the amount of tooling and work that goes into making it, but people being people they will think the more they spend the better they will get or the better the dart is instead of putting in the practice and sticking with the same set. Awesome job. Looking forward to the next video. 👍🎯

[@philipcasey767]

The darts I play with are 35 pound but I have darts costing 80/90 pound which I got cos they looked good but I can't throw for toffee with but if I saw a set of darts and they suited me I would pay up to 200 pound Id say 🤷‍♂️

[@channeljmc8819]

The most i would ever pay for a set would probably be £50. My current set which are Red Dragons are only £30 and are perfect. Although like you, i do enjoy golf and would spend stupid money for a new Taylormade driver

[@stevehaughton360]

Apart from stems/flights & the occasional set of points darts barrels last a long long time. If you work it out as hours played per pound even the Target 975s are incredibly good value. I have 4thGen Phil Taylor 9Five cost £90

[@DartsClass]

Completely agree Steve. I think of these things in the same way, cost vs time I use them and enjoyment they bring me 👍🎯

[@dizzyyates1555]

Think it was 1989 when I paid £25-30 for a set of Unicorn Titanium Tungsten Bob Anderson darts. Going back to my nipper days, my family paid £39.99 for Atari 2600 video game Defender. Or Pac-Man. Not sure what those prices would be equivalent to these days :) As an increasingly less than occasional cricketer my trusty Slazenger V600 cost £40 from a Sports Direct store some years back. Two years back I picked up a GM Haze Lite for £70. I'm not good enough to justify buying a 5 star GN bat, beautiful though they are. Target have invested a lot in engineering design and set up, the cost of their top end darts reflects that investment. That said, I did get glances at work when I saw £149 cost on the website and said "How much?!?!?". Gut reaction and all that. The top end Target stuff I've seen is very well machined, intricately so in places. Target know their market and much of their machining is copyrighted and/or not easy to reproduce. The most I've paid for a darts set is £65 for Red Dragon Vypers. The sets I use the most cost between £25-40 - Red Dragon, Winmau, and Bulls. It's worth looking at different darts websites to see who's got the best prices - sometimes one vendor will have an offer others don't. Or get your darts at an exhibition, they tend to be cheaper than RRP :) Darts Corner and Red Dragon have clearance sections and there are some cracking non-clearance darts going too. Argos have a 90% tungsten Winmau Navigator darts set going for £15. If you know what works and you've used the previous generations of a player's darts from a manufacturer then ordering online may be fine. Think if I'm going to fork out over £60 for a set I'd want to go to a darts shop and try them in my hand first.

[@DartsClass]

Completely agree with that, certainly would want to have a throw with anything I was spending a decent amount of money on before I bought them 👍🎯

[@ronsprouse7856]

I paid less than $20 a set for both my soft tip and steel tip darts. I use 18g Red Dragon Pegasus darts in soft tip and 21g Alan Glazier Shark Machine darts in steel. I have identical back up sets for each. I like short 80% tungsten barrels which are a little thicker than 90 or 95 % barrels. It works for me. Everyone is different though.

[@NeilsDarts]

I was thinking golf equipment lol, I have a set spend £300 on and it sits in a shed, not played in years. I think if you play darts a lot and taking it to super league or county then why not treat yourself. Mine I’ve spent £60 on

[@DartsClass]

Amen brother

[@briancarlisle8886]

149.95 my main set is 26g 975 darts love them hitting loads 180s with them grip is lovely i found my perfect setup

[@AvitHDGamer]

Big question is, will the more expensive darts help me play better? I've recently spent £50 on 2 sets of cheaper darts but feel like I'm getting worse. Help!! Lol

[@jimtheyid]

MVG 24gram ,£33 ,Got 3 sets . Absolutely love them.

[@lovethedarts9522]

Depends what brand you buy, target and unicorn can add 10 quid to the equivalent from say winmau and red dragon. I've paid 38 quid for my most expensive darts, and I got the rob thorntons 95% darts for 33 quid. Most 90% targets cost 35+ quid, same with unicorn.

[@DartsClass]

I wonder how much of the 'pay for the brand' there is in darts. I imagine the big boys are marking it up just like most other industries top companies too 👍🎯

[@Quintendejong123]

Unicorn most priciest brand ever

[@lovethedarts9522]

@@DartsClass definitely paying for the name

[@lovethedarts9522]

@@Quintendejong123 try shot darts, any of the coated highly worked barrels are 70 quid+ usually

[@mitchellcosgriff9256]

I have just brought a set of Target - Bolide 04 Swiss Point Darts - Steel Tip - 90% Tungsten for $99.95 Australian dollars which is about 55 £ and I'm really happy with them just trying to get used to them always working on my game

[@DartsClass]

Nice! Pretty good value that! 👍🎯

[@darrenthompson9235]

Love your videos. Very interesting. Personally I think £30 is the most I would ever spend on darts but I'm just a very average pub player. My darts aren't being used much now anyway

[@DartsClass]

Thank you Darren, I'm glad you enjoy the videos. It means a lot to know people like them and take the time to watch 👍🎯

[@TN-D18]

I use Unicorn Phase 5 26g with Harrow’s Clic flights and stems. Using Trident point cones makes the flights last longer. Total price £46. As hobby’s go, it’s as frustrating as golf, but cheaper. 😉

[@Jim_Newlands]

The three most recent sets I've bought have been Navigator 3 at around £20. Scott Waites at £30+ and Gary Anderson's at £40. I'm not massively happy with any of them to be fair.😣 I'm a front of barrel and point thrower, so any recommendations would be appreciated!

[@COL321]

If you like parallel darts with plenty of front grip, Matt Edgar's new darts seem to get good reviews and might be worth a look, about £55. loxleydarts.com/collections/matthew-edgar

[@Jim_Newlands]

@@COL321 Yeah, I have seen those they are a nice dart, but I would prefer something with grip right down to the end of the barrel where it meets the point.

[@Jack_Dean]

The most I’ve paid is £70 for my Winmau Vengeance, yet it’s my £20 Designa dark thunders that I throw best. That’s the beauty of it, if you want to spend £100 on a fancy set go ahead. But you don’t have to spend that kind of money to get a decent set.

[@DartsClass]

Yep absolutely nailed it 👍🎯

[@briannewland828]

I have spent 74.00 US for a set of One80 Black J21 04 23 gram steel tip darts, and just a couple days ago I just spent 87.00 US on a set of One80 R2 Rectix 23 gram gram steel tip darts.

[@COL321]

I agree completely with your logic. I throw darts every day for about an hour - just practicing, not competitive - get the occasional 180 but not great. However I am a dyed-in-the-wool cheapskate and have never spent more than £15 on a set, I've got about 15 sets mostly off ebay, at the moment I'm using RVB Phase 5 Unicorn Purist 22g (£13.70) and they're WAAAAY better than I am. I am just too tight-fisted to spend £50 - 100 on darts :/

[@DartsClass]

Haha me too... I'm such a cheapskate with everything usually... But knowing I'd only buy a set once in a blue moon I'd allow myself to push the boat out a bit next time I think 👍🎯

[@craigbeckley2710]

A good set of darts could last years and years. Sure, you can play just as well with a £30 set as you can with a £100 set but, well, it's a bit like snooker cues... once you get to a certain price point, they are very much the same (a straight piece of wood) but the woods becomes more precious and ornate. And, ultimately, if you're using something for years, why wouldn't you want to have the product that you like the look of the most? I have just gotten back into darts after not playing for 10 years. I started off with a clearance section dart that I spend £25 on but I didn't like it much (too heavy and it was a straight barrel which I haven't used before)... so I bought some Paul Lims Gen 3 to try something lighter that was a similar shape to what I'd used in the past. They look amazing and they suit me! I paid £100 for them but I'm very, very happy with them and I'd pay £100 for another set in the future if these went missing, etc.

[@craigrobb2323]

Not sure about cricket but certainly in golf it has been proven that higher end clubs have an affect on performance. I’m not convinced that would be the same in darts. As you say cheaper ones can just be as good as the dearer ones. I would argue that buying a £100 set wouldn’t make you any better than buying sets at under £20. . In many cases you’re paying for the brand and name I would say.

[@DartsClass]

Yep you've hit the nail on the head. The difference in price makes no difference in performance with darts... And that's an absolutely fair assessment. Paying for the name and a flashy set. They won't improve your game. But I wouldn't begrudge anyone that bought them 👍🎯 cheers for watching Craig

[@craigrobb2323]

Darts I think is unique to other sports. More expensive kit doesn’t mean greater performance. But if someone did want to buy a £100 set I’d say good on them. 👍 Enjoy your videos. Cheers for making them.

[@gameofthrows9357]

Daryl Gurney 24gs cost me £42.95. I wouldn't use any other darts they are absolutely perfect.

[@DartsClass]

And the hours of enjoyment you get from them make £43 a bargain!

[@Boom12]

The darts I use are £40. I've bought other darts in my time and my previous league set were a Target set worth £70+ which I no longer use due to change in style and throw. Since I no longer see a need to collect darts, I can say now my maximum to spend is about £50. Speaking of Target though, I feel the 975 darts are atrociously overpriced. Just because its 97.5% tungsten, I don't see how it fetches over £120+ for the dart, box and Takoma case. I could buy a Harrows Wolfram Infinity for nearly £80 less than a 975.

[@boof29]

I also shoot pool and the costs are on a different level than darts. You really need to spend $500 for a decent cue, and can spend thousands if you want. Darts are far more reasonable in comparison. These Elysian darts are like a limited collectible for darts players. I use Gallant M1s are my current darts so £16.

[@DartsClass]

I had no idea pool cues were that expensive!

[@boof29]

@@DartsClass Yes, snooker pro's play with a cheap cue while playing for a lot of money. US pool players use expensive cues to play for peanuts. I appreciate the artistry of a hand made custom cue so I do not mind. With darts, you have a lot of embellishments but the pro players are basically all using a Bristow clone.

[@DartsClass]

Yeah, all I knew was about snooker cues over here and they're reasonably priced but like darts I suppose there's so more expensive stuff out there!

[@Quintendejong123]

It depends on the value and production costs

[@DartsClass]

Absolutely, what darts do you throw?

[@Quintendejong123]

@@DartsClass some cheap tat. Not playing darts at all.

[@nicwgf585]

I've got 2 sets of Simon Whitlocks I paid $79 australian each But they will last me a life time so definitely good value

[@ClashOfTheTungsten]

My Gunn and Moore has lasted me 3 season so far but that's because I'm usually in the pavillion after an over 😂😂 great video bud I like that you've included your other passion as a way of comparison. I personally believe that it's more of a fashion statement. I sorted out my dart box yesterday and I counted 14 sets of darts and I bet the value of those still don't add up to the price of the elysians. Ridiculous price but target are laughing cause they know there are people out there that will pay it. Shame really but great marketing by target.

[@DartsClass]

Yep you've nailed it. It's good marketing, a few will buy them as collectors or as status symbols etc but they're not aimed at the every day player. I've personally never spent more than £50 on a set but I still wouldn't be that thrown off spending another £30 or so on top of that if I really wanted a set 👍🎯

[@gordoncarson5557]

I bought a set of Reddragon Snakebite 24g Blue Elements for £79, I’ve a few darts ranging between £50/60 but find my Aspinall Gen 1s that’s cost me £40 (£4.50 on the 41mm Onyx pro points) the best darts I’ve played with, I’m usually a regular to buying new darts but bought nothing since March due to enjoying these. My golf clubs in prospective are the same total value being £1,200 and that’s finding good deals as well, cheaper than what they should be. My skateboard has a value of £200+ and you’ll be looking to go through a deck at least every week appox. Replacing the deck can cost me £60 each time.

[@DartsClass]

There you go then... It shows that while it may seem expensive for a set of darts, like you I find it to be the cheapest of my hobbies by some distance

[@gordoncarson5557]

Darts Class. Darts last a lifetime, golf clubs, skateboards wear quickly. I wouldn’t say a price should put you off a set of darts.

[@briancook6383]

My set of darts 16pound eagle argent style l from pure darts

[@cameronashworth1754]

looking at it this way darts from the likes of Designa which retail about £20.00 - £25.00 for 90% tungsten are amazing value.

[@DartsClass]

I agree... If you don't want to you can find darts for that price range that'll do just the same job. At the same time if people want to spend money on something more flashy just for the name, then I don't think it's still too expensive 👍🎯 thanks for watching

[@claymore32]

I wouldn't say they are too expensive, as price can often be attributed to machining, or whether or not it's a player dart. I would say, however, that they are too expensive relative to the market. You can buy a player dart from target for £80, or you can buy something similar from a smaller brand like Bulls, One80, Designa, even the dartscorner brand for £20-£60. I have a set of Target Stephen Bunting G3s which cost me £40. I also have a set of Designa V2 Smoothies which cost me £19. There is no difference in the quality, and I perform equally well with both. They're practically the same barrel and yet the target set is double the price. I think expensive darts are fine for showpieces, but I always advise not to buy expensive darts to play with, unless you know that dart suits you and you know you will use it. I've seen people buy a set of Power95s, try them out, realise they don't suit them, and then never pick them up again. If you are planning to buy an expensive dart to play with and haven't thrown anything similar, either try a cheaper alternative, or see if a friend has a set. And always shop around. If you see a set of Target darts that you like, but are too expensive for you, check Bulls/One80/Designa etc for a similar dart, for much cheaper.

[@BullshotDarts]

I use rob cross pixels, they were I think $110. I don’t think those are “expensive” darts, but friends and family who don’t throw think it’s insanely expensive lol.

[@DartsClass]

I like the look of those to be fair. I imagine the hours you spend enjoying them make $110 seem like a drop in the ocean though! Thanks for watching, I really enjoy your channel mate 👍🎯

[@BullshotDarts]

Darts Class Thanks man! Same to you!

[@brendon-leesjba3020]

I recently swapped from snakebite 1s which were £45 to Designa Dark Thunders at £23.99. I think that the dark thunder are a much better dart and my game has massively improved. I think like everything else your paying for the name.

[@kingrodge1075]

If the dart matches your throw then it's worth the money. Been waiting for the RvB Gen3s to come out for almost 2 years now. I've been throwing his Legacy collector darts but they are admittedly slightly too heavy. Gen3s in 21g for 69 quid to match my throw. Yes please.

[@DartsClass]

I agree Roger, I think if you play regularly then it's not a lot of money to outlay versus the time spent using and joy they bring you

[@paulboardman247]

I play with the John part ambassador darts. There around £50. They are a fantastic dart. But £50 is probably the most I would pay.

[@DartsClass]

Fair enough, and in the grand scheme of things £50 has probably ended up being a bargain! I'd agree for what it's worth, I've never spent more than £50 on a set despite what I said in the video about £100 being acceptable

[@leekelly4285]

I've spent 130 pound on my darts custom made though and fantastic quality so worth every penny

[@DartsClass]

Nice! Who did you get to do those for you?

[@leekelly4285]

@@DartsClass if u Google custom made darts and click on the first link you will see he's website Tony he is called he does fantastic work knows how to make a really nice dart

[@leekelly4285]

There's a page on Facebook has well which shows darts what he has made for people

[@nikolatesla6772]

Yes, compared to other sports, Darts is really cheap. I played hockey for a few years and you can easily spend 500€ to 1,000€ for skates alone. A full kits sits easily at 2,000€. Plus the monthly/yearly costs for being allowed to pay. So even 100€ is very cheap compared to hockey. On the other hand, darts are easy to produce. Plastic parts come for a few cents from china, a barrel can be machined in a few minutes. I think the prices are pretty much exactly where they should be

[@acropolisnow9466]

Harrows are great quality and value.

[@LoveDarts]

Btw if you want to throw some elysians come to london and you can throw my gen 2’s!

[@kvajeblostari]

I play with rob cross gen1 darts, i think 30 to 60€ darts are good,more expensive not worth to buy...

[@johnbrackettii9468]

Whoa we don't want to drive prices up but the darts I'm throwing now where 102 GBE. Before that I was throwing 40 GB, I've thrown 20£ darts and loved them ,it depends on how well you like the darts but I think targets launch is overpriced seeing that you can get the same quality for 30-40£ I hope there launch doesn't do well and the prices will go down ,there mark up has to be around 75% at that price. I understand your point about other sports but darts is supposed to be a sport anyone can afford and enjoy. I've been playing for 25 years and I believe target is getting a little bit greedy personally. I own the Phil Taylor's generation 4s and 5s but to be honest the weight difference is way off there match weighted standards and I bought them as collection but imo red dragon and unicorn has the best quality darts and target does gimmick crap like the swiss points and those prices have dropped substantially

[@ryklatortuga4146]

Once you go 90/10 Platinum Iridium - you'll never go back to chunky sintered Tungsten

[@ryklatortuga4146]

Got the first gen Mikuru's as I was one of the few people to think she could win - especially when she was drawn up against Lisa Ashton in the first round of the final Lakeside. about 100quid ... bit rich but they have metallic green paint - sweet metallic green paint. I am sure without the paint or the connection to a world champion or that they were made for the Japanese market primarily they would be just 30 quid or so. I mostly tend to get cheapish clearance darts, mostly - but if no one buys the player darts... then the companies won't sponsor the players?

[@Quintendejong123]

For elysian prices are ok. Its a tradition every year

[@kingrodge1075]

nip in to tesco and pick us up some crisps while you're out.

[@DartsClass]

It was for essentials... Cider and red wine 😂