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[@MC-wh3xm]

A lot of people seem to think they're missing some magic component in their signal chain that's holding them back. There isn't. You just aren't practicing enough. Stop obsessing over caps and start obsessing over being the best player you can be. I need this advice too.

[@charlesalmero331]

-mic dropped-

[@treetopher9342]

You won't sound good if you don't play well this is true, but if you've ever modded a guitar and achieved hitting that sweet spot of tone you'd understand that tone isn't entirely in your fingers. There's a point to chasing it, but there's also tons of variables. The biggest being how you sound in your room isn't how you sound being recorded with a mic, or to someone 100 yards away listening to you in a mix. That said I feel how I sound to myself is important to feeling inspired to play. To each their own though. Everyone should have a different perspective and experience. Also I agree with this guy's perspective in the video for the most part. I've heard it argued though that there's a tolerance for variance in value in caps and cheaper ones apparently tend to have wider value variance meaning they can vary a little more higher and lower from the actual value in performance than some of their more expensive competition. I don't know enough to say if that's true though, and that didn't seem to be addressed in this video. I'm curious to know if there's much truth to that claim.

[@ramencurry6672]

True, but nerding out on capacitors can be superficial therapeutic fun. Even if doesn’t matter which cap you use. It’s like audio jewelry.

[@Slidezy]

That's true to an extent, but people often don't know how to dial in an amp either. Usually dial in too much gain and bass, then can't figure out why their tone sucks

[@TheDiscReview]

The thing missing is the 2000-3000$ amps the big difference

[@fredchatham6680]

I'm about to turn 66 in a few days. I spent my life having a certain mind-set, if I built a guitar or bought one I'd do the same things to it just because I thought that's the way things are done. I'd not even put a tone control on ones I built and cut them out of the ones I'd buy, I never took the time to learn how to use tone controls. About 6-7 years ago I was at Guitar Center trying Les Paul's. None sounded "good" to me, mostly too bright. I had just played one, didn't "like" it, hung it back on the wall. I stepped away, a younger guy picked that same guitar up, played a few notes, then that creamy tone I was looking for came out of that guitar, it didn't sound that way when I played it. I asked the guy what he was doing to get "that" sound. He rolled the tone control back a bit. That's all he did. I had to rethink most everything I'd done due to misinformation or just stubbornness. My tone quest has been fun and informative. That's how I discovered Dylan Talks Tone.

[@fredchatham6680]

Just re-read this, I'd left some holes in my comments explaining "what I did to everything". I'd read in guitar player in the 80's about the timeless discussion how smaller value pots kill treble, the higher the pot value, more highs get thru. The writer suggested everyone put 1 meg pots in their guitars to get full frequency spectrum. In another monthly how to by the same writer, he suggested adjusting the pickups so high they almost touch the strings to get full output. Not sure if the "cut the tone control out of the circuit to get more mojo" was by the same idiot, but I did all three suggestions to every guitar I put my hands on. I didn't understand why my strat sounded so badly, I hated it, so I changed pickups but did the same thing, it sounded badly too, so I traded it away. Imagine my shock when I learned the pickups were too high. I'd taken part of 3 or more magazine articles and abstractly applied what I THOUGHT I'd read with mostly bad results. Before internet (here goes a "had to walk to school uphill, both ways" story) I obtained my information 3 ways, magazine, library, and word of mouth. Thinking back, most of the people that gave me guitar advice were either high, or just stupid, but I digress. I feel foolish for blaming what were otherwise excellent instruments for me making the tone and sound stink. My go-to phrase for one of these guitars was "it sounds like a TURD". Oh, well.

[@fredchatham6680]

@@Lamster66 thanks for the insight.

[@fredchatham6680]

To clarify my standpoint, I've played just about every genre from Gospel to bluegrass to blues since 1972, I've not found that magic guitar or pickup that does everything I've needed. Besides my hands and string choices, the pickup and resulting tone is the next item in the equation. I use a variety of amps as the genre and size of the venue dictates, so usually the guitar choice is dictated by the same requirements. What I mentioned regarding that Les Paul being too bright, it wasn't giving me the sound I was after for that purchase. I also explained that I'd done the same things to every guitar I owned instead of learning how to use that tone control. It amazed me that it actually made that much difference in shaping the tone. I've been on the "tone quest" since then so I'm about 18 years past THAT revelation. I'm not so closed minded these days, I read and experiment as much as possible, an auto accident ended my live gigging. Your explanation was thorough and I certainly appreciate the input. At this point of my by guess or by gosh engineering I'm experimenting with bass cut and passive mid-range cuts, I'm intrigued with the cocked wah sounds possible and how 3 tone cut controls interact. I'm enjoying my journey and really enjoy Dylan's posts. Thanks again.

[@bradleyshuppert3393]

I share this pro tip with very few people. Mainly because they really do not know what they do not know and just play what is stock. So here it goes: use 500k pots on all your guitars. Wire the volume and tone knob like a 50’s Les Paul junior. (Vintage wiring vs Modern) use the value .010- .015 for the tone cap. If you want to roll back the volume or tone when using single coils to get more of those stratty tones then you will be inclined to use your ears more and also more feel of the strings and magnets resisting your pick attack. Tone really is in your hands, some guitars do this better out of the box, most have to be modified to this recipe to really have it all, especially in HSS. Now, you have the 500k which the humbucker loves, you are twice the value for single coils, you can roll off the volume and tone and solve that, plus.... using the value of tone cap I prescribed, you will actually use your tone knob more than ever before as the value (.010-.015mfd) shifts the mid and treble points like a partially cocked Wah wah pedal, instead of that .05 horrible muted muffled muddy sound Fender chose to use when guitar players would mimic bass guitar on a 6 string while recording in the 50’s, and no modern players really use the tone knob because of that fact. Playing your amp is now your new concern. You can dial up higher than you would normally use for volume and tones, and use the volume and tone knob on the guitar for boosting volume and tone without a pedal... ala Hendrix ... you will love this setup more than anything and will play more and use the volume and tone knobs and never want anything else forever thereafter...... do a video with this idea.... boost the amps volume and tone controls and dial it back from the guitar and when you want a volume or frequency change, use those knobs on the guitar instead of walking to the amp, or stepping on pedals.....you will be free to play and have it all at your fingertips.....you will thank me later tonechasers!!!

[@steveeckert8396]

@@bradleyshuppert3393 Chris Buck did a video called "The CHEAPEST Les Paul Tone HACK? | Friday Fretworks" His LP has about 330K pots from Gibson. He had the guitar upgraded to 500K post with new caps. There was a bit of difference but not as much as you would think.

[@sassycat]

I've no idea or opinion on the subject, so I'm here to learn. Back to the video...

[@MandatoryBowling]

Global Statement: As an older EE and now custom guitar creator, I find your videos to be the most accurate, articulate, logical, myth-busting, BS-mitigating and consistently helpful content on the subjects of guitar electronics and tone. UPSHOT: Your efforts are greatly appreciated.

[@markntexas8265]

His content hooks up with my failed engineers (stupid calculus) understanding of physics. But hey all that math eventually helped understand data for stock speculation 🤣

[@drivinsouth651]

I completely concur! I hate myths, conspiracy theories, fake news, false informatoon, superstitions, the supernatural, paranormal, metaphysical, mythological, lies, and bs. And there is nothing better than busting myths and lies by debunking them with truth and real knowledge!!

[@johannalvarsson9299]

@@drivinsouth651 Than I can gladly tell you that mechanical exitement has a completely objectively measurable effect on the capacitance, and that effect is different for different types of capacitors. If you HEAR that is another thing. But there IS a measurable difference. I find it funny how he lists "heat, voltage, current - all things that we do not have in guitars -" but the obvious thing - physical vibration - is left out of all things. Again: if you actually hear that is another story.

[@JERSEYTARPIT]

This was the first really insightful video I have been able to find on capacitors and their role in basses and 6 string treble basses. I have searched for weeks, thank you for the content, wish I had found this sooner.

[@tomasjones3755]

GREAT explanation. I also play Hammond B3 organ. There are 88 pickups [tonewheels] , each with their own cap. When we used to do a 'cap job', some people didn't like the resulting sound. They had become accustomed to the 'drifted' sound; which, on a B3, is rather muddy. After their ears became tuned in, they found the B3 much more tone responsive; to drawbar changes.

[@garycoraluzzi1166]

Thank you again Dylan ! You keep cranking out these amazing informative videos. Thank you man !

[@FreddyJ120]

I love the Jimi illustration of heat effect on the capacitor - brilliant! 🤣

[@paulbcote]

Thanks for all of the thought and effort you put into these vids. I find them very worthwhile.

[@enidsnarb]

My 63 Strat had a nice ceramic disc cap that sounded great when you rolled off the highs !

[@peteridinger5743]

I'm allways impressed about your knowledge, thatswhy i have to stick to your channel. Very good job! Thanx!!

[@ajsuicide9490]

Great video! I love your vids! I will say though just an interesting fact I learned during my 9 years as an electrician is that the one thing electricity will never run through is completely pure 100% distilled water (basically the chemical of pure H20)! When electricity runs through normal water it runs through the irons and zincs and minerals in the water! Just thought that was an interesting fact I learned in tradeschool!

[@OspreyD40]

Brilliant! Thank you for your clarity and the organization of your presentation.

[@katesturgeon2907]

This is a really great show. You answer the questions we all want to know, but in straight forward way.

[@josephhagins4631]

Dylan, great discussion and topic! Just bought a Kay K161V reissue and started making a list of everything that I “needed” to change... (having the pickups rebuilt using US materials, replacing the pots/caps..etc). After watching this video the only things I’m changing now are the 3-way switch (to a CRL) as the stock switch is failing already, Tuner machines, output jack (to Switchcraft), and bridge saddle to Tru Arc. Thank you for approaching everything you talk about in a subjective manner. Keep up the great work!

[@dr.vikramsinghnepalishalom5958]

I love you explanation about the capacitor, it was very clear , thank you so much once again

[@meanmechanic9]

This is a well explained and understandable video on this subject.

[@harrisoncooper1046]

I learn something new every time I watch your videos. Im seriously considering a new path in EE. Thank you and keep pressing on.

[@laneimages]

I really appreciate your input on this subject as I long have suspected this was the case. It is rather amazing how much hype and misinformation can proliferate into an urban legend when it comes to capacitors and electric guitars.

[@danthedem]

Thanks Dylan! I have been wondering about the difference between the Bumblebee (paper in oil) caps and Orange Drop caps (as these seem to be the 2 hallowed caps for vintage LP/SG/335 tone aficionados). I appreciate you breaking this down.

[@arlobrubaker]

Paper and oil makes me think of fish and chips. That's all I know.

[@Admiral_Bongo]

Ewww.

[@adrianpierce3047]

try the salt & vinegar, they react really nicely with the heat range of fish & chips ,,

[@K.Dor.888]

Hahahaha...... now I'll never see paper and oil caps the same way.

[@DMSProduktions]

@@adrianpierce3047 Mmm vinegarrrrr aaarrgghhh!

[@DMSProduktions]

@Steve R A cap, is always, just a cap!

[@chalslellogmail]

Thanks for info Sir! So .... my pbass I’m getting into this capacitor world..please advice if possible, thanks

[@FTF96]

I’m subscribing. After 4 of your videos, I genuinely enjoy the needing out over science of music. You’re a fascinating guy, can’t wait to see more from you

[@Vickyvee97]

Very interesting, Dylan. Thank you for the clarification.

[@simontwycross3449]

Thanks! I've always thought this but never knew for certain. Now I do! Thanks Dude! 🤘

[@DavidSmith-ne1zp]

Thanks for demystifying caps. Learned plenty!

[@billythekid2281]

Nicely said mate 👍🏼 Great video.

[@georgeestremera1464]

Thank you so much for this. It’s exactly what suspected about these things and makes all the sense in the world. You rock!

[@matthewchilders4560]

Dylan, just got a really good deal on a 2019 HC Gibby LP Classic. I love the tone...don’t think I’ll do anything to it...is there anything compelling, aside from pickups, that you’d suggest I consider doing? PCBs don’t scare me at all.

[@dylandriver9117]

I hate that Ive just found your videos. I love how comprehensive and helpful these videos are especially the explanations being in guitar application as well. I’ve spoken to engineers(asking specifically about this) that haven’t been able to put it as clearly or as quickly as you have. Thank you

[@justinjarvis9828]

Great video and very informative. I'm currently working on a bass and ordered some CTS pots for it (in preparation for swapping out the pickups and controls) and they came with an "orange drop" capacitor. I've been watching videos on how to do the work myself (the soldering and whatnot)and they're using paper and oil so I've been wondering if I should get a paper and oil capacitor "because it will sound better." Glad I found your video to clear up this whole capacitor argument. Thanks a lot!!!

[@atarisaint]

Thank you for this complete explanation of this matter. You have an amazing way of communicating your point, you earned a subscriber.

[@dreamakah]

That was my favorite intro to a gear video...by a long shot. (I have no strong feelings about capacitors but will keep watching)

[@SlydeChaplain]

Good talk! Thanks! I put very high output humbuckers in my Epi SG. Did not change pots or caps. Bought some Russian green pio caps. Installed. Sound was noticeably “compressed”, “warmer”, whatever ...was noticeably different. The HBs were rated at 16-18kohm, I believe (GFS “Bigmouth”) Maybe some other factor than the cap material???

[@ThomasOlsenJr76333]

Useful info for a guitar nut like myself and the love of science behind everything including capacitors!🤘😁

[@jasonbutler419]

Cool vid. Question: do different capacitor types tend to have their values drift differently over time? For example, would a PIO drift sooner than a ceramic cap? And I'm assuming they would tend to drift to lower values, but could they drift to higher ones?

[@kurkjohnson6173]

Good capacitor explanation! I upgrade vintage audio components. Wanted your take on "Audio Grade" capacitors vs the "standard" grade with same value/type. Would you recommend if price was not that much different.

[@mikecorey8370]

Great explaination of something hardly anyone knows anything about, including me. Thanks.

[@davidhendrox]

Dylan great video. But I wonder how many ppl actually roll their tone knobs and use the caps on their guitars.

[@ThatGuitarGuysChannel]

Now I feel like I got took on my honey bee cap's in my 2021 50's Goldtop! I looked everywhere for this kind of info and now I find it when I am almost done! I am finishing another build with five Russian cap's on a Varitone in a lp with three pickups.

[@snball60]

This is the best explanation I've ever heard! Thank you very much!

[@brianpetersen3429]

Excellent explanation of basic electronics in guitars.

[@pskemster]

Good talk I appreciated you breaking it down. Right now I am a oil and paper cap guy. Just found the orange Sprague caps To be a little brittle sounding with 500 k pots. But a great sound in a 250 k pot Go figure!

[@jasonkirkham550]

I've been been building/ repairing my own amps for 8 years. And I agree with you about capacitors. Thank you for the video.

[@MarkusvanAardtBusinessComm]

LOVE your straight talk. THANKS!! Please comment on whether different type tone Caps sound different. I'm not talking the value of the cap- (drifted value or not) - I mean the materials in the cap. They merely bleed highs to ground - right? How is it possible that they make your guitar sound different? I realize you inadvertently addressed this here but if you don't mind - it would be insightful Thanks - here to learn

[@PintsofGuinness]

Not only do none of my guitars have capacitors, I had no idea what they were before this, so thanks for the info

[@tomohara414]

So no tone control?

[@holmesteadready]

@@tomohara414 must be acoustic 😂

[@marcpernia8487]

@@holmesteadready There are many electric guitars without a tone pot(s).

[@guitarjeff55]

Thank you for clearly and plainly explaining something that gets knocked out of reality. Good job.

[@whyis45stillalive]

45 years ago, when I was a young boy, I had; a cheap Teisco, a three month 7th grade electronics course, and a Radio Shack a block from home. I spent many months, experimenting with as many different value capacitors, and fixed resistors, as I could find. I made my own Veritone, replete with resistors, before I knew it was actually a thing. I only did it, so I could compare cap values easier. Then, I tried phase shifting, coil tapping, (later splitting, when I added some cheap Framus humbuckers). I used push/pull pots, DPST, DPDT switches. Anything I could find, at Radio Shack. When I brought what I had done to my electronics teacher. He laughed at me, and told me I was wasting my time. My poor Teisco looked like Frankenstein’s monster, all the extra pickups, switches & knobs. It looked just awful, but it could make so many different sounds, through my 15watt converted stereo/turntable, into amplifier. It was crazy. Edit: typo

[@dudemcmann6936]

I love this channel, you're talking about stuff that I've been saying for years to my naive friends who are constantly dropping big money to chase their perfect tone based entirely on BS hype from people who don't know what they're talking about!

[@American_Jeeper]

Very awesome video. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the manner in which capacitors function in a guitar is also why it doesn't matter which way the outside foil is connected, although in electronics theory (if you're absolutely OCD), it would be facing toward the tone pot, yes?

[@christopherebeyrol4553]

Thanks ! you're so right! You could explain how to wire caps the best way, this can explain a change in perception. For the rest, it's also all about passion and personal pride to get THE real thing. This can then be a good way to push someone to it's best...it means inspiration. Reason vs passion...

[@lone-wolf-1]

Very valuable informations! Thanks Dylan! 😃👍🏼 I‘ve put 0.015mF orange drops in 2 humb. guitars with diff. scale length and on a Telly style with noiseless SC‘s. I like to have usable tones from 10-0. I intend to do the same in other two strat/superstrat type, wich are already warm sounding. My LP style „black beauty" got 0.022mF, for the growl. I „know“ the difference between the types of caps is negligible to non existent, but I generally don't "trust" things if they are too small… so I chose orange drops…and they look nice too. But for treble bleeds I use the small ceramic caps and resistors.

[@angshu08]

Good information! Thanks for sharing...

[@nickpatsios407]

Great video very informative. Thanks

[@glynevans3171]

Cheers Bro, next time I have this discussion with a customer I can just point them your way.

[@clintbowers5524]

This perfectly answers my question! Thanks!

[@mikedelacruz312]

Great vid, thanks for breaking it down. One thing, I can't seem to find, is they vaule (?) of the capacitor. If I was to go to the electronics store and by a cap (any type) what is the value? I am runnig a stock P-90 through 500K vol and tone pots to a input jack. Thanks in advance.

[@MrStu9459]

I have no idea about Caps. But from experimenting i have boticed a hear a difference between different typrs. quite amazing really. Thanks Dylan awesome video :)

[@murfbass]

Dylan made an excellent point about old caps starting to go bad and beginning to act like resistors. Check the ESR of those old caps. So yeah, when a crappy paper cap stops being a cap, no doubt it sounds different than modern caps.

[@drivinsouth651]

We can't make them old, but I wonder if there was a way to make them sound old by freezing them, baking them in an oven, or some other method?

[@murfbass]

@@drivinsouth651 For those who can't read a blue print, you'll have to put your capacitors in the oven. Those who can read a blue print know will know that the design of the circuit determines the "tone." The reason that brown fenders sound different than black face which sound different than silver face fenders is the circuits are different.

[@drivinsouth651]

@@murfbass But which one should I put in my Strat? I put the parts from an Ibanez RG loaded pickguard in my Ibanez GIO and it sounds better than any of my other guitars. The Ibanez loaded pickguard cost $97.00 on eBay. The $500.00 worth of pickups, Emerson blender, 10 way switch, and Qijack I put in my Strat should theoretically sound better. I was thinking of putting Ibanez parts in my Strat. What should I do, lol? Thanks!

[@nickpatsios407]

Just need to put your guitar in the pizza oven for about three hours. Now your capacitors would be awesome and you guitar will look vintage.

[@bciecko1]

Great bit of info. I've always just used whatever as far as caps went. I'd try to buy something I knew was a quality product, say Sprague for the orange drops since they're known to have proven quality. Nice to know that when I've bought ceramic caps that it wasn't a difference and saves some money.

[@redrum22]

Thx. I needed reassurence on that one becuase of all that hype

[@jeffmancuso2715]

Great very informative and interesting video, thanks. Even though I now know that cap type doesn’t effect tone, ima still buyin those cool lookin ones with the stripes.

[@williamcottone814]

Love this Chanel. I never took my SG looking guitar apart. It has 6 strings and 4 knobs. I don’t know what it has inside. I like the sound and enjoy playing it. Thanks for the videos showing me what’s might be inside.

[@samuelsanchez4885]

Hey Dylan , I have a question concerning caps. Does it matter which way you install them in a guitar?? I’m up-grading my semi-hollow guitar with new pots and orange caps, and not sure which way to install. Any help would be appreciated.

[@ryanfitzpatrick3256]

Thank you for this clarification! Kudos!

[@alpacoify]

thx very helpful,I have a 92 clapton strat with the midboost,I changed my pickups to the srv and a hot rail.with the boost off the srv pickups sound a little muddy I was thinking of taking out the circuit and starting from scratch?is this the pickups or the circuit making it muddy.much appreciated

[@DMSProduktions]

Sounds like the circuit! You now have a hum bucker wired to a single coil pick up volume pot! IF you go to HB from SC, you NEED to replace the volume pot from 250K, to @ least 500K, or it WILL sound muddy, and it WON'T be as loud as you expect, or drive your amp as hard! I had this problem years ago on an old guitar. Had a good Duncan put in it, but the twats that did it, NEVER upgraded the volume pot to a 500K, and I always wondered WHY the guitar sounded muddy!

[@chrisjohnstone6164]

...so I have a number of old Paper and Oil capacitors from my Dad's shed, he's a electrical engineer and a bit of a border. I like the imperfect vintage sound having played a few old guitars. The am tempted to try some out in my Early 1990's Les Paul... any tips?

[@XChristianNoirX]

Measure their capacitance... If you like it, order a capacitor of that value, test to see if it sounds the same, and report back.

[@mackpoplin6783]

I don't know, but I've heard the reason that the vintage bumblebee caps might sound "better" is that they are not very good performing caps compared to modern caps; they are "leaky". And it's this phenomenon that can make them sound different.

[@lance8167]

Good content to the point you're awesome Creator man

[@MarcJBeard]

I’m here to learn about caps for guitars as I’ve had two versions of loaded telecaster plates with mullard and the some other blue cap.. and I still can’t get the tone I want .. set number three on route .. wish me luck !

[@markburdette6176]

I definitely would NOT argue with you about anything! I am 66 yrs. old and I am amazed at your knowledge and out&out common sense. I just want to thank you for sharing your knowledge and even your random thoughts. I have gained a lot from your videos and I love how passionate you are about guitars. Please keep up the GREAT work. Mark B., Virginia Beach

[@jasonhynes2180]

Are some caps recommended for humbuckers and some caps for single coils?

[@michaelcraig9449]

So does it make any difference at all what ones you put in the guitar? Is there any certain best or good ones to use? Do any of them change the tones at all? I am not here to fuss or argue about anything, I just want to learn a lot about this tech stuff.

Wow! Finally, someone who tells it the way it is. I'm so happy to have found your KZbin channel. I'm a total newbie, and I was seeing this "thing" about "paper in oil" capacitor and could simply not find any explanation. Now, as we say in "Canadian French", I will go to bed less stupid. 😉

[@tenntonnhammer]

Hey I seen you on Texas Toast, I was actually looking for a video to explain this and I think you've answered my question exactly. So I guess I'll keep buiying orange drops.

[@sonnyseabury4051]

😂😂😂

[@GarysBBQSupplies]

I like to think of capacitors as balloons in a circuit, they add voltage back in when the voltage drops like a balloon would in an air system. Pots are like electrical valves and resistors are like a restriction in a piece of pipe slowing down the amount of air passing through. It helps me visualize what is happening. Great video. Thank you.

[@jimcatanzaro7808]

Pots are resistors just variable

[@MichaelDonlinAwesome]

Yes. Words. That's a good start. HA!. Thanks Dylan. I love these kind of vids.

[@macshebly4330]

in wich polarity do you have to solder the capasitor on the guitar ?

[@acidbath3226]

i want to check out one of those old tektronix caps they used to make em at .1uf and I heard they were they only brand they used for oscilloscopes because of their superb quality i was thinking about grabbing a couple off ebay for tone bleed on bass maybe guitar project

[@dandavis3745]

I need advise: Switch craft or Pure Tone Jack's. Which is best?

[@jeffcomeau4680]

Great info... busting the myths. Very helpful. Seems like it’s all about color choice for keeping the wiring looking cool. And that matters?? Lol.

[@crate42272]

Awesome info.. thanks

[@mdazizurrahman7437]

Thanks Dylan for making my life easier with your knowledge, i was so obsessed about replacing my guitars capacitors to orange drop to bumble bee capacitor! Thank you!

[@PLINKER]

Great explanation!

[@bassfishingwiththeantichri2921]

I'm a Fender man. I have one LP Special. (Hums) The LP seems dark to me unless it's on the bridge pickup with the tone at 7-10. (It has a .022uF cap on the 500k tone pot) Would a treble bleed circuit on the volume or a lower cap value on the tone, like a .015 or .001uF best brighten things up?

[@edgeofeternity101]

I watched this right before wiring up a Fernandez L-50 strat I own. It has Seymour Duncan Texas specials. This is what I changed . One of the screws was on the verge of stripping out, so I installed brass EZ Locs with 1/4-20 thread inside. I drilled out the screw holes to accept the bolts. I replaced the bridge that was a LR Baggs acoustic with a wide spacing. It was too wide for the width of the neck, and the E sting would slide off the top of the neck down past the 5th fret. I bought a Mex bridge plate with block and used some Tusq saddles I had laying around. I had used them before and liked them. Now I was ready to wire up a all new hand made push back wire harness from scratch, done it before many times. I decided to use J Vaughan-Wacker(don't know who this is) diagram with a .022 cap on first tone, and a .047 on the second tonepot. New jack new strings plugged it in and it was so trebley in all positions I couldn't believe it. I used both orange drop caps, and double checked all wiring connection with a pair of magnifiers before assembling it. In the past I have tried orange drops, and never left them in. This guitar has a small routing and space is tight, so I decided to try them, besides this was different than I had tried in the past. OK, they are coming back out first opportunity I get. Before it sounded very much like my US strat, and I very much liked the sound of it. It sounds totally differnt now. If you want to torture someone with ear splitting treble, then this is for you. The caps I took out were a little tiny treble bleed cap, and a small cap half the size of an M&M, but it sounded really good. Well I guess that's my three cents worth.

[@bobinjc]

It's funny how when we talk, we almost always try putting it, "into words." haha. As a 60-year-old beginning guitar player, I'm learning a lot here. Thanks my brother.

[@deestroyer4867]

what do you recommend for a set up of SSH with 500K pots? im not sure if you said you like .047. I might look into your cap kit with different caps.

[@elbrocarnal6776]

Awesome stuff,,,thanks

[@dreamscuba]

Great video!! Thanks

[@vladimirlopez7840]

That you for clearing up the myth using logic. I’m getting ready to rewire an Asian LP copy and you just saved me $40 bucks or so.

[@emmanuellehuu8818]

Yeah that's a tough talk... not many people are ready to hear it... and It's true, if you want to sound like a vintage guitar, check its cap value, and duplicate it... dont go read the original value of it and try to put a paper in oil cap in your guitar with the original value, it won't sound the same...

[@Slugg-O]

Duplicating original values is a mistake many people make when trying to recreate a 60 year old amp with fresh components. The "mojo" in those old amps is there because the values of those 60 year old parts have drifted over the decades. I heard clones that sound incredible but, good or bad, they don't sound exactly like an original.

[@mergatroid1212]

I don't understand what you are talking about. isn't the reason you love that old vintage amp or vintage guitar due to the recordings you've heard and fallen in love with that use that gear? like the classic rock sound of those vintage Les Paul and Marshall amps got on the classic Led Zeppelin Albums? or that unmistakable tone Jimi Hendrix got on his recordings? All of that gear was brand new when those recordings were being made and the caps when all in spec. if you really want to sound like that vintage gear then re-cap your amps, put fresh tubes in and set the bias correctly and re-cap your guitar with the correct values. there! true vintage sound! anything else is just a lie that has made people spend way too much money on old gear that in reality was out of spec and not working properly!!!! sagging caps will over time damage your gear, it's not sound it is creating it is bad electronics, see your getting DC leakage and that is just bad!

[@DMSProduktions]

@@mergatroid1212 THANK YOU GOOD SIR! SENSE AT LAST!

[@rockhead69]

Interesting video, my man. Mainly the part of tone due to capacitor aging. Kudos !

[@copperaudio9664]

Good stuff Dylan, thanks. What's important is the way your guitar output circuit (pickups, caps, resistors) interacts with the input circuit (impedance) of your amplifier. Try running your Strat through the A side of a Radial Twin-City ABY Amp Switcher Pedal and vary the drag setting. Most guitars will have a sweet spot you can hear.

[@damienbevan937]

Ive been useing 393k regular capacitors solderd on the tone pot to ground no bigger than a finger nail both same size i used aligator clips on the grond of the tone and the bottom positive lug and swapped a green one with a red same size same value the red one had a duller sound but tighter fequency the green was brighter with looser fequency why

[@jamesmcgrath6938]

Good stuff couldn't have worded any of that better myself dude! 26 sulking tone purists haha

[@edwardpenoi7275]

In 2011 I put a MusiCap Coupling Capacitor, Film & Foil Polypropylene, 0.022uF - 600VDC into my strat build. It reminded me of a firecracker shape, which I like.

[@rhykko77]

Well put !

[@rabbithole1331]

do you have any caps with blinker fluid??

[@ibanezrg7421]

Thanks for saving me money! Much appreciated!