Are Programmers AI-Safe?

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@ai_serf Жыл бұрын

This video just just reinforce's my believe AI will take over programming. You're argument boils down to it not being able to make "snakes" right now, or it only solving some percentage of leet code problems. other than then the fact that are many AIs right now in the process of tackling this more complex tasks, you're arguing like a human was back in the early 90s and then 2000s. Chess can't be solved. Okay it's solved. Go can't be solved! Okay it's solved. Simple programming can't be solved, okay it's solved, Complex programming can't be solved! There's countless models out there right now, a lot of local models, working on this. How long will it be? It could be months away. Moor's law might be dead, but it's still pretty accurate, and our algorithms are improving too. Do you think technology progression is linear? lol.. we're still basically exponential.

@PlayWithFurcifer Жыл бұрын

I mean, technically *everything* is months away, just many months.

@nrwl23 Жыл бұрын

AI is good at generalized thinking. Stuff that is very common and obvious by data alone. Most programming that is worth its salt is highly specific and customized to what a specific group of humans or their business needs, and that is very very difficult to do because AI can't possibly guess what that SHOULD be based on arbitrary dynamic input. It can guess but there is a distinct lack of context that is not available from the data. It is that esoteric sense of improvisation and decision making that AI doesn't understand and won't for a very long time if ever. It can only predict based on what it sees historically and it doesn't understand the randomness of anomalies, of which each human is potentially one. Until it can understand chaos better than we do (which we don't) it won't be able to replace programmers or other thinkers either, despite what the creators claim. They are marketing it as the end all and it isn't.

@baertbellemans7500 Жыл бұрын

@ryancarter1206 there are so many minior tasks that are done by developers that will soon be done by AI. So a project that now takes a senior developer and 2 junior developers, will then be done by the senior and 1 junior. Or even only the senior. Developers will still be required, but only the high level stuff. And many jobs that are not high leven will be replacement.

@seleckcka7104 Жыл бұрын

Eh, maybe you should listen to the video again. The main argument is that how the current AI models work they are terrible at doing anything that is new and as a programmer often enough you have to do something that is new within your specific circumstances. AI can somewhat hide that it is terrible at that by recombining existing stuff to make something seemingly new but there is a limit to how far this can go since adding new data massivly increases potential combinations faster than computing power can grow.

@raiyaankazi Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your impartial input, Mr *squints* ai_serf

@n3y Жыл бұрын

I remember this one tiktok I saw a few days ago that went something like >without AI: 7 hours programming, 7 hours debugging >with AI: 7 minutes programming, 7 days debugging

@n3y Жыл бұрын

honestly chatgpt is dragged down pretty hard for someone like me by the 2021 limit for stuff like godot which already has very few resources because it doesn't... know about GDscript 2.0 so most of everything it says MIGHT've worked before 4.0, but probably won't now

@jonyjohns Жыл бұрын

Thank you for filming this video. I'm tired of proving to my non-programmer friends that we won't be replaced. You literally stated my point of view, which I always wanted to convey to my friends. From now on, when I hear that programmers will soon be replaced by AI, I will send them a link to your video I would also like to add that I come across some degradation of AI, I have a thought that AI began to feed their own work without knowing it, if AI will consume its own answers, then I think AI degradation will happen pretty soon

@PlayWithFurcifer Жыл бұрын

Very glad to hear that! :) Whatever happens, it will be Incredibly interesting.

@AdeelTariq0 Жыл бұрын

There is plenty of bad code out there in tutorials without AI feeding its own work to degrade.😂

@RobertDrane Жыл бұрын

I love the Hapsburg AI scenario. The decline is going to be here much sooner than we expect.

@b4ux1t3-tech Жыл бұрын

See... My first impression was that ChatGPT was wrong. Very wrong. And since then, it's been varying levels of right and wrong... But mostly wrong. It's impressive that it _sounds_ right. But that's all it does: it tries to sound right. It doesn't try to be right, and that's important to understand.

@yvanvan3729 Жыл бұрын

AI is so good at writing bad code... Never trust the product code !

@PlayWithFurcifer Жыл бұрын

It really is! And i wish i had as much confidence

@youdontknowme3935 Жыл бұрын

1:22 aww, friend.

@PlayWithFurcifer Жыл бұрын

I like it, and i know it likes me back :)

@nelson5292 Жыл бұрын

Please, people think the hardest part of making software is the code. That's completely wrong, proving that most people don't know how software is made. The hardest part of making software is the user. The user doesn't know what they want to begin with, and the don't even understand what is and is not possible, or even what good and bad even is! There are sometimes literally zero possibility for success because what they asked for is exactly what they do not want! And if you give them what they asked for, you're wrong. Anyone who did software development will absolutely understand what I'm talking about...

@ZXaber78 Жыл бұрын

Sorry for an off topic comment, but I’ve always wondered why ESL speakers use “how” in place of “what”. “How a cow on the moon looks like.” When it should be “What a cow on the moon looks like.” Again apologies, I’ve just always been curious.

@paulosullivan3472 Жыл бұрын

I am not concerned AI will be able to do as good a job as me, I am concerned that people who dont understand how computers work will put far too much faith in AI and cause terrible problems in society as a result.

@btkb1427 Жыл бұрын

Then they will need people like you to fix it :)

@Urza26 11 ай бұрын

@@btkb1427 Well, if the people in charge put them in charge of nukes, there may not be anyone left to fix anything

@parker9001 Жыл бұрын

Y'all gotta sell BackPack Battles or something. That game is going to pop off with a little advertising/pr. I bet someone with more capital for that would absolutely purchase it for like 200k-350k USD. That or you guys can pay some twitch streamers to do a single stream each. I'm not sure how worth it would be to wait much longer for new classes to be developed though. Likely to be a short lived yet well enjoyed competitive time filler. People are waiting on a lot of games right now and would love this sort of bit to fill their time. Especially if it's competitive, and their streamers/discords are playing it.

@RobertDrane Жыл бұрын

As a hobbyist programmer its very sad to see professional developers overestimate this tech.

@CouchBit 8 ай бұрын

Programmers' jobs are very very safe for now and at least a couple decades. Yes, there may come a new model sometime in the future thats able understand very specific, complex and branching problems, but right now, if I ask chatGPT or any ai model to "write me a sentance that's 7 words long, the second word is an adjective and the second to last is a palindrome" its going to write me a sentence thats 5-9 words long, the second word may or may not be an adjective and the second to last is im 90% sure not a palindrome, just a word that can be found in a palindrome, such as car (racecar). Current models are only good at 1 thing: generalization and summarization of well documented, well-known data found on the internet. And nothing more.

@alexanderhenry1238 2 ай бұрын

Excellent video, thank you Furcifer

@Cammymoop Жыл бұрын

AI probably won't replace your job if you're a programmer very soon, but it's not at all for the reasons listed here. I currently use AIs like GPT/Copilot as a tool to help me do real actual coding work more efficiently. Thinking that they just combine data they've encountered before in a simple way to create a sort of trivial mashup is absolutely the wrong way to think about it. Unless you want to admit that your own brain is simply doing that, but is just more efficient with it's training data and is a bit better at constantly relearning data. But no, you are capable of originally and creativity even if technically both of those things are emergent properties of large networks of simple systems. AIs are too, they're not just using a simple algorithm to combine a couple of existing things, or grabbing some pixels from here, some pixels from there anymore than you or I am. and i don't mean that they're hypothetically capable of creativity. I mean that they're already capable of it in existing publicly available ways that you can make use of right now. If you just ask an ai to create something for you, you can already get a creative, original take on that idea. It's usually not the kind of quality you'd want, or the exact way you imagined it. Neither of those things will be a barrier to the current speed of improvements and breakthroughs the field has been undergoing constantly in the past year or so. "If things keep improving at the current rate" is indeed a bad prediction to make. Everything points to yet faster improvements to come. Sorry i don't actually want to get in a fight or anything i just think you're missing a fundamental point of what's happening at the moment. Take care and keep up the good videos I'm looking forward to Furcifers release!

@Holonet01 Жыл бұрын

I'm not worried about being replaced by a chatbot anytime soon, but I don't think the reason is because of any fundamental inability for AI to handle something it hasn't encountered before. If we give AI a complex problem that it can't answer, chances are we wouldn't exactly find it easy to answer ourselves, or at the very least, might need to get more "data" using our human "skill" that is Google-Fu. In an interesting way, the real disconnect is as humans, we can't answer a question without data either, but we have the "ability" to get more data on our own. The argument is typically that AI can only work with what you feed it, but people are no different aside from the autonomous part of that. To me, the more interesting bit is that philosophical piece. None of us is really in love with the thought that a machine *can* be as smart as us. Certainly not there yet, but the real question is if it is possible, which I think it likely is. Like when Stable Diffusion creates an image, it's "just" taking existing images and processing through trial & error, trying to emulate a result that's based on those existing images. I would say a human artist does the same thing... They are creating something based on their own "images" (life experiences, things they've seen, other art they've been inspired by, etc...). The AI has a toddler "vocabulary" compared to the human, but hey, it's a helluva lot faster at it 😂

@eskild9917 Жыл бұрын

Ai cant replace the soul of the designer its that simple. It is a decent malware producer without its ethical restraints but malware isnt an artform it doesnt require nearly as much skill and good game design requires a type of creativity that cannot be copied by anything less than a human

@1337cookie Жыл бұрын

If you feed the models into themselves in creative ways I'm certain we will see more emergent capabilities like solving problems that have never been seen before or solved by humans previously. If we use the AI/Brain analogy you can think of LLMs as the language center of the brain and other models could be other regions. We don't have a complete brain yet but it's coming.

@godofdream9112 8 ай бұрын

well after 9 month.. we have 2-5 pretty good AI coder, which can be helper for small amount of human coder to replace most human coder...

@PlayWithFurcifer 8 ай бұрын

I don't think most coders are replaced tho :D

@KlausWulfenbach Жыл бұрын

My answer: never. AI can't replace programmers completely. It will get to the point where less competent programmers will be able to do competent work with the assistance of AI. It will get to the point where competent programmers will be able to work 10x faster because the AI will be able to catch some (but never all) of the bugs faster. But programmers can never be replaced completely. The job requires intentionality. If it was possible to replace the intentions of a programmer with algorithms, then decades ago the compiler writers would have implemented automatic 100% accurate bugfixing and crashes would never happen. But compilers require human decision, and the new AI algorithms are no different.

@UhGoomba Жыл бұрын

I sincerely hope you are right. This video made me feel better

@PlayWithFurcifer Жыл бұрын

Glad it does!

@Portponky Жыл бұрын

you're gonna get a copyright claim for the tom scott clip

@PlayWithFurcifer Жыл бұрын

lol

@Osjey Жыл бұрын

AI won't replace programmers, at least right now.

@sheepcommander_ Жыл бұрын

This is one of the best explanations for AI I've seen, and I'm shocked there's only 130 likes

@PlayWithFurcifer Жыл бұрын

Thank you :) Yeah, youtube does not really feel like showing the video to people, it happens

@paulholsters7932 10 ай бұрын

Truth: nobody knows what’s gonna happen. And that is the real problem. No body has any idea.

@wreckingballgames Жыл бұрын

The competency crisis is coming. Don't be discouraged, just keep learning, learn to use AI too, and be prepared to be one of the more useful people around when society forgets how to do stuff.

@AdeelTariq0 Жыл бұрын

I use chatgpt as a search engine for queries that I'm fairly certain already have answers on the internet. It gives me a concise answer and I don't have to click a bunch of links. 😊 For anything complex it often disappoints.

@Chibs Жыл бұрын

Please don't! That's not how ChatGPT works. I've asked it such questions before: "Do glasses exist to see light inverted, like a negative image?" And it whole-heartedly told me they exit, that they're galled Photo-negative lenses and used by photographers in darkrooms to quickly be able to tell the image from a negative. It went in detail on the history and how they work, using polarized lenses refracting light in different ways etc etc. - NO SUCH THING EVER EXISTED. ChatGPT is an algorithm that can make sentences that sound reasonably intelligent - Nothing else - There is no notion of truth in this algorithm. You're setting yourself up for a loooooot of problems if you start doing this!

@PlayWithFurcifer Жыл бұрын

I had good experiences with that as well!

@Roleplay78 Жыл бұрын

Oh gosh. AI is just so bloody boring. ChatGPT all over the place. But if you want to use AI for really serious stuff, it start falling apart everywhere. Everything you ask is "mostly" correct or "mostly" wrong. No way around it. You can't use it without supervision and if you start asking the same question you start see the patterns behind. Creativity will suffer in the medium term. I am also bored of people thinking AI is close to be self aware, etc. We can not even agree on the definition of being aware. Let alone figure out if a machine that tries to imitate us is. With all due respect to Touring test... bollocks. This AI stuff is exactly the same as the green deal. Financial bubble to speculate.

@darthnegativehunter8659 Жыл бұрын

the problem is that the way which AI advancement is made is a deadend with the purpose to make money. it's not pushing boundaries. their putting together different AI modules to create chatgpt. it's not a new neural network solution. but rather a different way to put it together. and an expensive way for that. and it doesn't think much. it copy pastes.

@IgorNV Жыл бұрын

Honestly, this just feels like "takes that aged like milk" material, IMO. Like, just taking one of your examples: specially today, a lot of programmer's jobs' is just making stuff that already exists anyways (and probably getting it from stack overflow). Having a bot making Junior Dev's code consistently is already gonna make it massively difficult to get into the software development field. And you could argue it's already here. So, there you go, here's a job that will be replaced soon... probably. Only time will tell for sure, though.

@PlayWithFurcifer Жыл бұрын

I just love when comments like these spawn with the suspicious 1 instant upvote x)

@IgorNV Жыл бұрын

@@PlayWithFurciferuh huh... And how's that relevant to AI and Automation? It's pretty disappointing if you made a video on the subject and that's all you have to say :/

@PlayWithFurcifer Жыл бұрын

@@IgorNV It's not relevant at all! I had to say a lot of things, they are in the video

@IgorNV Жыл бұрын

@@PlayWithFurcifer So, is that how you treat subscribers with even the mildest of disagreements? Yes, I've watched your videos, specially this one: my comment specifically addresses something in it. But it doesn't seem like you read my comment, since you're unable or unwilling to actually respond to the argument in it. Anyway, I'll take it for what it means and move on. This is disappointing, but not surprising, considering that people are having such strong emotions towards AI at the moment. Only time will tell what will happen regardless. I wish you guys all the best, and have a good day.

@PlayWithFurcifer Жыл бұрын

@@IgorNV You can't open your comment with "Honestly, this just feels like "takes that aged like milk" material, IMO." and expect me to take it seriously. This absolutely is how i treat my commenters. I'm sure you can take a little bit of roasting after your... lets say provocative comment ;)

@TheEternallyconfusedone Жыл бұрын

The student becomes the teacher

@hidemat5141 Жыл бұрын

I like this explanation

@VirgieMootry Жыл бұрын

I use Utopia AI neural network, this neural network can do wonders.

@baertbellemans7500 Жыл бұрын

It just started. It will only get better. And it might one day in fact replace many of the developer tasks.

@PlayWithFurcifer Жыл бұрын

*one day*

@baertbellemans7500 Жыл бұрын

@PlayWithFurcifer my junior colleagues are already using AI for quite a few tasks. How long will it take until a junior developer can take up a double workload then before AI? And what will management do when they find out? Plenty will say to cut into employer expenses. *One day* is not that far away until AI will cost jobs.

@bladechild2449 Жыл бұрын

@@baertbellemans7500 I can't speak for programming but look at image gen. Look at the hype of when it took off 18 months ago compared to now. Back then it was "progressing" at staggering rates, but then it's overall end product capabilities hit a standstill for a like a year after the initial boom. SDXL took ages to come out and people are still using the 1.5 version because it went in the wrong direction in some cases. The chatgpt integration with Dalle 3 has been the only really massive push in advancement and even that stops being impressive after you get to grips with it. People are realizing that this shit is nowhere capable of doing an overall creative's job at creating an end product sane people are willing to buy. 'One day' seems within reach initially because people are focused on the flashy new toy and its potential, before realizing what that potential actually needs to be.

@CushionSapp Жыл бұрын

You're getting a PhD?

@PlayWithFurcifer Жыл бұрын

Yes, the thesis is already turned in :)

@godofdream9112 Жыл бұрын

chat gpt 3.5 dumb down by its developer ...

@mojoNoodlz Жыл бұрын

New original code, what's that! Most coding in business environments is just a variation, nothing new at all. Jobs will go simply because you'll just need less people to do the same job. Businesses aren't charities, all roles in the dev project cycle will definitely see cuts. The people who show a command of using AI in projects will most likely keep their jobs and responsibilities even expanded to cover multiple roles. AI is still a tool, the astute developer will recognize this and make sure they're prepared for the future by knowing that tool.