'Are Some Indians More Indian than Others?'- Shashi Tharoor Echoes the Pigs in Orwell's Animal Farm

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@nitsmagicniteshsurwade1808
@nitsmagicniteshsurwade1808 4 жыл бұрын
you watch such debate and realize that there's so much to be known, so much to be read, so much to be experienced and so much to be done.
@sureshpolali4616
@sureshpolali4616 4 жыл бұрын
You will become a mad boss. Sashi Tharoor can argue a male as female. Sashi can argue corruption is good for India Sashi is 65 years old and enjoying life writing books and there is a market for his books.
@koul09876
@koul09876 3 жыл бұрын
@@sureshpolali4616 😂
@sonupondhak
@sonupondhak 4 жыл бұрын
What a wonderful interview! Karan Thapar is one of the few interviewers who can actually play a real Devil's Advocate and Sashi with his deep insight can handle trickiest of questions with great equanimity!!!
@genuinerf4868
@genuinerf4868 4 жыл бұрын
Indeed! although karan's interruptions bothered me, slightly.
@jakejill5222
@jakejill5222 4 жыл бұрын
@@genuinerf4868 absolutely
@praveennayak1753
@praveennayak1753 4 жыл бұрын
Devil 🤣🤣🤣
@ashwinponnappan9721
@ashwinponnappan9721 4 жыл бұрын
Mr. Thapar is a legend !
@sudheerkumar4421
@sudheerkumar4421 4 жыл бұрын
Sashi with his deep insight corrected karan';s pronunciation of patriotism as a response to Karan's intelligent questioning...
@StudentUNITY1
@StudentUNITY1 4 жыл бұрын
Keep aside everything but 1 thing we should remember everytime I.e "दोस्ती बनी रहे" 😝😝
@zfg07
@zfg07 4 жыл бұрын
@Jack Frost Don't call them RW .. I am offended being the real rw. 😠😠 See left and right here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/r5iodn9rbKaWkNU
@prakashparashar2920
@prakashparashar2920 4 жыл бұрын
You keep on swooning over that episode, Modi has become PM twice. And conspicuously Congress party has been struggling to present themselves as a stakeholder in Indian Democracy. Anyway I always rejoice when Sashi and Karan come together. Shashi hasn't spoken a single word regarding correcting/overhauling CongressHighCommand.
@maziz6237
@maziz6237 4 жыл бұрын
We had gone thru many phases of lows and highs, but never the country fell for perverted ideologies. Believe ,we should not allow any party to hijack religion and use it for its self riches and powers. Harping in the history to find some minuscule bad and throwing it to represent whole group of people of present generation ; is no solution . I feel Britishers left us physically but left with an unfinished agenda to keep us an enslaved generation.
@nikhilgautam6541
@nikhilgautam6541 4 жыл бұрын
😂😂
@KingKong-vl4pq
@KingKong-vl4pq 3 жыл бұрын
@@zfg07 Cornering someone and having fun as they have a meltdown is cool. If it is an elderly gentleman even more fun! That aside I don't see what is cool in that interview.
@jibran4794
@jibran4794 4 жыл бұрын
Shashi tharoor is alone carrying the responsibility of helping Congress redefine its ideological stand.
@anthonygibson5561
@anthonygibson5561 4 жыл бұрын
God knows what keeps him going. Congress has done their best to isolate their best supporters due to lack of leadership.
@JJ-hi4gh
@JJ-hi4gh 4 жыл бұрын
True
@sudheerkumar4421
@sudheerkumar4421 4 жыл бұрын
did u see the whole interview??? Karan punished him so badly tht shashi in his desperation went so low as to correct the pronunciation of patriotism....if congress really had an ideology..BJP would have a really tough time selling it's version of nationalism...
@jibran4794
@jibran4794 4 жыл бұрын
@@sudheerkumar4421 BJP's ideology is majoritarianism. That's all it is. Its a very easy ideology and is the form of nationalism that's found anywhere in the world including America. Congress has so far managed to keep together so many cultures and nations within a nation with a weak definition of nationalism but they have been able to do it with many hurdles nonetheless. No one in the world can attempt to define what nationalism in India really should be because India has been an unexpected experiment in history which against all odds succeeded. Everyone predicted that with Nehru's death India would break and even during independence many thought the union wouldn't last. Everyone was wrong. You have to praise the Congress atleast for this. They did the impossible. But now that they are out of power and BJP is waging an ideological battle with them, they have difficulty Framing it even though they have been in power with that ideology for decades.
@colorgrower
@colorgrower 4 жыл бұрын
The italian waitress cant tolerate brains in the gandhian owned political party.
@gauravd231
@gauravd231 4 жыл бұрын
Karan Thapar please let him complete whatever he has to say and then counter question. Excellent interview overall.
@manasjana4589
@manasjana4589 4 жыл бұрын
Both of them speak fast which do not allow to concentrate on their themes of nationalism
@KiranKumar-nb4nx
@KiranKumar-nb4nx 4 жыл бұрын
Karen in this interivew is attempting to argue and win his views.
@c.raychowdhury7388
@c.raychowdhury7388 4 жыл бұрын
With all due respect for Karan Thappar, he is interrupting Sashi Tharoor at every question, it feels rude, and the interview digresses from the original subject or issue! Karan can run the whole show alone expressing his point of view without calling Shashi :)...when you are interviewing an author for his new book, you should allow him to finish his sentence at the least!
@themintleaf1778
@themintleaf1778 4 жыл бұрын
Thapar is an insecure character
@targaryenXoolf
@targaryenXoolf 4 жыл бұрын
Thapar plays the Devil's Advocate. It is a known fact. And it is perfectly fine. It is an art to be such.
@punnavanamsubbiah7434
@punnavanamsubbiah7434 4 жыл бұрын
I am born in a savite family in Tamilnadu which is one of the state in India. My first respect and love to saivam ( not Hindu ) mother tongue tamil and respect India which included our territory as one among 29 states in India. Shashi is correct to core we are patriot to the Constitution not religious idealism of fanatics politician . Of course marketed for idealism of development .
@sabareesh129
@sabareesh129 4 жыл бұрын
Does Saivam means mothetland(country)?
@punnavanamsubbiah7434
@punnavanamsubbiah7434 4 жыл бұрын
@@sabareesh129 saivam is faith life we practice and nation is area in which we born live with our own language to communicate , which is our father land .He married British territory of India who christian it as India not Hindustan. India is federation of such linguistics, cultural and religious groups in respective territory where vaishnavie , Buddhist samanam etc live
@karancapoor1583
@karancapoor1583 4 жыл бұрын
Well said.
@mdekramullah156
@mdekramullah156 4 жыл бұрын
Whenever Thapar tries to look more confident in English, at that time Tharoor sets his stylish hair into motion and thereby once again Thapar forgets the questionnaire 😂
@rabinbouri7
@rabinbouri7 4 жыл бұрын
Lol😂
@tstcikhthys
@tstcikhthys 4 жыл бұрын
And Shashi also politely chides him about his pronunciation of words like "patriotism"
@nceep
@nceep 4 жыл бұрын
Not missed a word, this is how an interview should be conducted !.. feast to ears.. it really rises our involvement too, suttly both of them make us realize our duties as well. I loved it.
@amansinghlobana5256
@amansinghlobana5256 4 жыл бұрын
Regardless of what political party you support, do one thing always : QUESTION THE GOVERNMENT REGARDLESS OF WHO/WHICH RULING PARTY IS IN POWER !
@yogitasharma9120
@yogitasharma9120 4 жыл бұрын
👍
@arkadeepmukherjee685
@arkadeepmukherjee685 4 жыл бұрын
Very well said. I request for your permission to use your words in another context. 🙏
@garimakilledar5810
@garimakilledar5810 4 жыл бұрын
@@arkadeepmukherjee685 wow... That's so nice of you to ask for permission, in this world of blatant cheating and copying.
@garimakilledar5810
@garimakilledar5810 4 жыл бұрын
Well Said!!! Why can't people understand this simple, yet so important thing?
@arkadeepmukherjee685
@arkadeepmukherjee685 4 жыл бұрын
@@garimakilledar5810 🙏☺️
@ZindagiSafar123_44
@ZindagiSafar123_44 4 жыл бұрын
Respect for Shashi Tharoor ji
@abhishektoshniwal1905
@abhishektoshniwal1905 4 жыл бұрын
Now a days I like it when the interviewer is not in awe of Tharoor. Actually brings out a better conversation. It’s remarkable how Thapar has continued for decades now to not give an inch away to the interviewee as long as at least a near legitimate answer or confession is obtained.
@prakashkulkarni1094
@prakashkulkarni1094 4 жыл бұрын
17:23 "holding on to a passport is not a proof of patriotism or loyalty to the nation, or traitors wouldn't exist." good point.
@Fjwizn
@Fjwizn 4 жыл бұрын
Wow that’s awesome!! Applause for both Gentlemen well done Mr Thapar it will be generations before we see 2 articulate n eloquent gentlemen speak to each with civility n respect on fiery issues
@Noor-55
@Noor-55 4 жыл бұрын
True patriotism is about defending your country always and defending your government only when it deserves it 📌
@mdekramullah156
@mdekramullah156 4 жыл бұрын
Thapar tries to stick Tharoor but wonderful sentences and well-spelt expressions force Thapar to stop further questionings and instead focus on understanding Tharoor's English 😂
@sarthakparashar3695
@sarthakparashar3695 4 жыл бұрын
Thapar's english is pretty good. Probably as good as the person he's interviewing. Just so you know.
@anthonygibson5561
@anthonygibson5561 4 жыл бұрын
@@sarthakparashar3695 Tharoor is still step ahead in English as well as in interview skills. Thapar takes it as a hitman's job wanting to prove his own point right.
@vincentpinto1127
@vincentpinto1127 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent interview. Fascinating, unrelenting probing by Karan. But ably defended by Tharoor. Well done, both!
@SREEHARIGVARMA
@SREEHARIGVARMA 4 жыл бұрын
The only time I feel we are in par with the quality of western politics and journalism is when these two men talk! Hope to see Tharoor lead this country one day!
@rajatchugg
@rajatchugg 4 жыл бұрын
Never seen such an Intense Unbiased Philosophical discussion of Ideologies between a Politician and a Journalist. They must have set a Benchmark for people around world.
@arijitasen541
@arijitasen541 4 жыл бұрын
He gave his own example Karan. It is clear that anybody feeling any sense of belonging to any part of India, its food, its culture etc. is patriotism. You just unnecessarily haggled with him.
@pauljoseph1556
@pauljoseph1556 4 жыл бұрын
Rare sight these days...a perfectly civilized interview..really appreciate!!
@TheSachingm
@TheSachingm 4 жыл бұрын
I like that Karan is going after Shashi, and even more that Shashi is ready to take it head on, instead of running away (like our dear modi). But shameful that not a single bjp leader ever has to face tough interview. All they do is show up on cheap unintelligent shouting matches on debates, that too on pro-bjp channel.
@bantaibabafan1167
@bantaibabafan1167 4 жыл бұрын
This is how an interview is supposed to be Nowadays IN news channels we see only childish fights 😂😂
@mohanvvip
@mohanvvip 4 жыл бұрын
Shashi Tharoor writes one book after another and I'm still at the introduction of one of his books.
@book_hoarder_bose
@book_hoarder_bose 4 жыл бұрын
Mr. Thapar seemed more rushed in this interview, he needed to let Mr. Tharoor finish his sentences
@alijuddy5362
@alijuddy5362 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed. I felt the same. And Mr. Tharoor charmingly allowed himself to be interrupted every time!
@sajidisa1740
@sajidisa1740 4 жыл бұрын
Highly intellectual and enlightening interview, which was entirely expected given the presence of two such stalwarts.
@shahwalkhan5908
@shahwalkhan5908 4 жыл бұрын
I came here for Vocabulary sessions.
@sazidabdul7471
@sazidabdul7471 4 жыл бұрын
Me 2👍
@prabhatrai2951
@prabhatrai2951 4 жыл бұрын
Same here...
@bansyiemlieh3213
@bansyiemlieh3213 4 жыл бұрын
So true
@arnabm273
@arnabm273 4 жыл бұрын
I have tears. Thanks Karan for this beautiful interview. This neutral and intellectual interview far supercedes the standards of The Wire's enforced bias and crass counter hindutva narrative. This is the level of intellectual debate and deliberation we need going ahead. Thanks Karan for this brilliant display of interviewing skill which Shashi had to dig deep to deal with. Respect Sir.
@outdoorquest3005
@outdoorquest3005 4 жыл бұрын
4 feet good 2 feet bad. Edit: Karan Thapar Ji, with all due respect, please let the other person finish his answer. 😅
@nalinthakar7059
@nalinthakar7059 4 жыл бұрын
You are right. Karan Thapar's trait of not listening is well established. He always more focussed on what he is going to ask rather than listening to what the speaker is saying. His facial expressions & gestures prove this. This becomes more irksome especially listening to a person like Shashi Tharoor.
@sir.shakesalot
@sir.shakesalot 4 жыл бұрын
Very well put. Thapar's style of interviewing seems hell bent on proving certain points, dwelling on minutiae, eliciting a reaction, et al. If only he were to be slightly more patient. Also he completely refuses to acknowledge contexts and opinions formed by personal experiences.
@NagarajanVasudevaRao61
@NagarajanVasudevaRao61 4 жыл бұрын
@@nalinthakar7059 I get your point. Still Thapar doesn't interrupt, he cuts in quickly to the next point and directs the course of the talk. We as audience can hear what Tharoor said at the point of diversion and move on. This particular dialogue is a very animated discussion between two friends, I think they are not offended or frustrated by each other. In the end we get the two narratives of nationalism and patriotism with two good english speakers chatting over 'The Battle of Belonging'.
@digvijayrana3613
@digvijayrana3613 4 жыл бұрын
Right
@rajarshimukherjee4844
@rajarshimukherjee4844 3 жыл бұрын
Yup, thats right.
@anzar007
@anzar007 4 жыл бұрын
The back and fort between Shashi and Karan is awesome👍
@rocketsinghism
@rocketsinghism 4 жыл бұрын
Passport is no test of patriotism. Given half-the chance, most Bhakts would dump their passports!
@okay850
@okay850 4 жыл бұрын
Even you.Bhakht is a term given by the likes of you for having a different perspective.For your inability to accept another view, while you would certify yourself as more evolved .The fact is you are inclined to a certain view and that you have nothing more to say to the opposite view but mere name calling makes you a less evolved.
@balqisjahaanarakhanum1152
@balqisjahaanarakhanum1152 4 жыл бұрын
Bhakts are blind followers of the fraud feku who has no character .
@Chu9947
@Chu9947 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah Bhakts are not patriotic
@sudhanshgurjar9599
@sudhanshgurjar9599 3 жыл бұрын
I think Karan got that true patriotism thing wrong. It was Shashi's own experiences and he acknowledges other local patriotism too.
@ihazra
@ihazra 4 жыл бұрын
Samuel Johnson was a beneficiary of colonialism... so it’s quite natural for him to equate patriots of the victim native land fighting or espousing for their freedom would sound like a cry of the scoundrels. Come on Karan... grow up!
@Rabidmonkey73
@Rabidmonkey73 4 жыл бұрын
Karan's grasp on history seems a little weak here. Tharoor also seems to miss his primary communication gap with Thapar: People may call themselves nationalist or patriotic. These terms may have personal meanings to people. These terms also generally tend to have academic meanings, which is what Tharoor is really describing. Basically, what are the more technical features of these ideologies from a sociopolitical perspective? Academically: Patriotism is basically a sense of belonging to your country. Nationalism effectively defines the nation as a whole (by blood, language, territory, shared values/legal systems, religion, etc). Under nationalism, the nation is more important than the individual. However, "the nation" is often a fairly centralised concept, and embodied by the arms of the State. We are seeing in India how quickly a transfer of power can completely redefine the definition of the nation. So nationalism is intrinsically susceptible to State excess or oppression against individuals, because it is fairly easy to justify it under "national interest", which is conveniently decided largely by the State. Institutions like courts and the media are designed to protect against this, but cannot do so once captured. The core issue is that most people would say they are patriotic. Many people that are incognisant of the difference in the meaning of the terms have been subjected to a bait and switch of starting with "I love my country, I am a stakeholder and I belong" and ending up with "the nation is supreme and therefore my rights are subservient to the national interest". Finally, many patriots are actually willing to sacrifice their rights/freedoms/lives in service of the national interest. However the crucial question is who decides what the national interest is. When Delhi and the rest of India decide Kashmir needs a change in laws and that justifies locking up their citizens for 8 months, that is an abuse of nationalism in my book.
@jamesmayura420
@jamesmayura420 4 жыл бұрын
👍👍
@sir.shakesalot
@sir.shakesalot 4 жыл бұрын
Very well articulated. Hats off.
@Rabidmonkey73
@Rabidmonkey73 4 жыл бұрын
@@j.melton8257 Karan tends to do that. He seems to believe his audience would rather hear his editorial, oration and articulation of his interviewee's beliefs, instead of those beliefs from the horse's mouth. I remember his old videos didn't even have the guest's name in the title: the format was " | Karan Thapar". For what it's worth, he may be right. His style is fairly distinctive and I imagine from the size of his following that there is a market for it. I think he manages to get quality guests and the interviews end up interesting enough for me, but on a more technical level I have issues with some aspect of his style, such as the one you pointed out.
@Mohammed_Javed
@Mohammed_Javed 4 жыл бұрын
At least we can realise here with Karan thapar that we are watching like USA media
@ravindrapatil2455
@ravindrapatil2455 4 жыл бұрын
Class always reflects in Shashi and Karan’s conversations!
@SayyidTirmizi
@SayyidTirmizi 4 жыл бұрын
Karan Great interview but please don't be impatient to ask the next question. Let the person first complete his thought/argument
@anshumananand2796
@anshumananand2796 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent Question asked by Karan Thapar sir. Thanks sir for conducting a very fruitful session.
@pramodjoseph8426
@pramodjoseph8426 4 жыл бұрын
Do we deserve to have a prime minister like tharoor ji...
@mohanvvip
@mohanvvip 4 жыл бұрын
@prajna Paul Noooo! SuperSmart people will never understand the problems of those struggling average and below average souls. He would make a good foreign minister or culture / tourism minister
@cam0987
@cam0987 4 жыл бұрын
@@mohanvvip no i don't agree, this is the most stupid argument I've ever seen
@cam0987
@cam0987 4 жыл бұрын
@@mohanvvip u want to elect dumb ppl like modi
@mohanvvip
@mohanvvip 4 жыл бұрын
@@cam0987 NO. But Tharoor never had any problems with academics. The idea is to get a person who is average, has struggled with the system and knows its shortcomings. Not a person who cheats! 😊
@sree8336
@sree8336 4 жыл бұрын
No
@roopabee8542
@roopabee8542 4 жыл бұрын
An Oxford and Yale arguing on patriotism and Nationaliam . We natives have missed the point patriotism or nationalism Argumentative Indians certainly will keep the country going.
@tathagatadutta9352
@tathagatadutta9352 4 жыл бұрын
Not Yale. Tufts (Tharoor)
@saurabbbhardwaj1930
@saurabbbhardwaj1930 4 жыл бұрын
Instead, let's hear from some uneducated parochial unintelligent jester from the boondocks of india. Let's regress back to the golden vedic ages ... interplanetary travels, internet, plastic surgery, manusmriti, women in kitchens, lower castes in their place...
@gopala3539
@gopala3539 4 жыл бұрын
Correct
@gopala3539
@gopala3539 4 жыл бұрын
Some think people talk in Queen's English are intelligent and superior
@saurabbbhardwaj1930
@saurabbbhardwaj1930 4 жыл бұрын
@@gopala3539 these two come from normal backgrounds. Have worked hard and used their talents to reach where they are. They are men of letters with published works Yes they are intelligent.and more humane in their worldviews compared to the bigots that are in power positions
@clintonfernandez580
@clintonfernandez580 4 жыл бұрын
Why does Karan always want to interrupt as soon as he asks a question? He asks a question and gives his own opinion half the time.
@sanjaygadhalay
@sanjaygadhalay 4 жыл бұрын
Ha ha ha. Sometimes ..he's in a hurry
@anthonygibson5561
@anthonygibson5561 4 жыл бұрын
24:10 That was very rude of Karan not to hand over the book to Shashi to make his point. Karan is taking undue advantage of Shashi, who is merely being kind to be on his interview when most of bright politicians have boycotted him. Very childish of Karan to aggressively hold on to his own point without letting Shashi clarify his. 12:49 It was Jesus who said "Hate the sin and not the sinners,". Gandhi merely repeated that scripture
@noahsub6372
@noahsub6372 4 жыл бұрын
Good interview. However, I wish Thapar would remember that he needs to let the person being interviewed speak & listen, rather than focusing more on sounding clever & intellectual.
@dreamysap
@dreamysap 4 жыл бұрын
I am feeling proud simply because I understood the whole interview! 😂😂
@bansyiemlieh3213
@bansyiemlieh3213 4 жыл бұрын
😂
@eddieray8684
@eddieray8684 4 жыл бұрын
A brilliant exchange and Shashi never disappoints. He has mastery of English and he can articulate his views with total clarity. On the other hand, WE ARE STUCK WITH THE CHILDISH NOTIONS OF BJP SEMI-LITERATES & INTELLECTUAL ZEROES LIKE MODI, SHAH, YOGI, RAJNATH. These BJP buffoons are a vengeful and malevolent lot and they won't stand any opposition to what they believe. They can't argue logically or discuss rationally. They can only talk of caste & cows, gods & godmen. They are an embarrassment in any international setting.
@yogitasharma9120
@yogitasharma9120 4 жыл бұрын
👍
@152manoj
@152manoj 4 жыл бұрын
Nationalism.. Patriotism.. Why?.. Where has Humanism gone?... Doesn't that cover everything?
@AnkitSingh-ho9xo
@AnkitSingh-ho9xo 4 жыл бұрын
it hasn't gone anywhere, nationalism and patriotism is required so that humanism can flourish. we failed humanism once in 1947 and we can not afford to fail it further .
@152manoj
@152manoj 4 жыл бұрын
@@AnkitSingh-ho9xo If there is humanism in nationalism we will not try to paint the people of other nations as enemies just to get votes. Humanism is love for the people of the entire planet which includes one's own nation. Nationalism, for most unfortunately, is having consideration for the people of one's own nation only and none for those of other nations (unless they can benefit us in some way!)
@trickyabb
@trickyabb 4 жыл бұрын
@@AnkitSingh-ho9xo how did we fail humanism, please elaborate or you also like to parse jargons without making any coherence?
@vivekchoudhary9301
@vivekchoudhary9301 4 жыл бұрын
Humanism is only for terrorist n anti-nationals, in this country
@RD-pp9ds
@RD-pp9ds 4 жыл бұрын
I wish this man could become our PM
@shub74
@shub74 4 жыл бұрын
U got to b kidding
@jmodi8087
@jmodi8087 4 жыл бұрын
@@shub74 u for sure
@jmodi8087
@jmodi8087 4 жыл бұрын
absolutely agree
@RD-pp9ds
@RD-pp9ds 4 жыл бұрын
@@shub74 he is any day better than modi
@parthmalani6286
@parthmalani6286 4 жыл бұрын
congress leadership: hahahahahahaha
@amitasangeet2913
@amitasangeet2913 3 жыл бұрын
This is a brilliant issue, after my own heart. I love this dialogue, very intricate and wonderful to listen to. Two brilliant minds, one has to keep up with this academic discourse to understand the nuances. Personally, I was always raised to know that our country is an inclusive one, including Hindus Muslims, Christians, Jews. Belonging is more important! This trend of Hindutva excludes people. Our country has always been one of tolerance and love. That’s been exemplary to the whole world.
@rescuemeal-4262
@rescuemeal-4262 3 жыл бұрын
People of hindi heartland should pay taxes ...but they are checking non Hindi people's loyality and eating taxes from South India and maharastra ..
@naseemfirdaus1789
@naseemfirdaus1789 4 жыл бұрын
Mr Tharoor you are a man of very high stature; your upbringing says the kind of personality you are. You are a rare breed; of unique quality. The sophistication with which you carry yourself is unparalleled. There is do much knowledge to extract from you. I salute your honourable father for imbibing you with such great values in life. May you live to change the society which is going through such a hard time.
@vaibhavshukla6545
@vaibhavshukla6545 3 жыл бұрын
Indeed a fascinating discussion!
@yashwanthchoudary7030
@yashwanthchoudary7030 4 жыл бұрын
Karan took that line of true patriotism literally. Expected much more understanding from his part. He should've read between the lines. Nonetheless great interview.
@lalitharavindran
@lalitharavindran 4 жыл бұрын
Well done Dr. Tharoor for putting this into context and bringing focus to this ridiculous patriotism vs nationalism. Karan Thapar, why don’t you grill those in the government who really have a lot to answer to? Of course these comments are for viewers to argue among themselves and those in the video and creators of it remain silent and royally ignore the reactions after uploading them.
@newsprint2445
@newsprint2445 4 жыл бұрын
Good interview. Shashi Tharoor great.
@maansinghjadhav2881
@maansinghjadhav2881 4 жыл бұрын
Karan's hand is too distracting. He raises it as soon as he asks a question.
@MhetreMudita
@MhetreMudita 4 жыл бұрын
🙄 I was watching without noticing until you pointed out 😠
@ni12907
@ni12907 4 жыл бұрын
Karan is nervous here. Tharoor is so relaxed and going with the flow. I can listen to Tharoor for days at stretch without blinking an eye :)
@divakarannappa1885
@divakarannappa1885 4 жыл бұрын
Superb book review by Karan. Shashi really found a bit cornered by Karan! Enjoyed the interview.
@drsuchet
@drsuchet 4 жыл бұрын
Loved it... I feel we should be learning more to converse (and less to hate) while accepting the differences. Being Indian is not something to run for or prove to, it is what we are... the essence of our “being”!
@janami-dharmam
@janami-dharmam 4 жыл бұрын
When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean-neither more nor less." "The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things." "The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master-that's all."
@pbc2939
@pbc2939 4 жыл бұрын
A great discussion. Thanks.
@genuinerf4868
@genuinerf4868 4 жыл бұрын
It should be titled "Questions of karan thapar also featuring shashi tharoor".
@sir.shakesalot
@sir.shakesalot 4 жыл бұрын
Hahahahaha touche
@ShlokAviation
@ShlokAviation 4 жыл бұрын
Wowww
@garimakilledar5810
@garimakilledar5810 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah... I was too annoyed with him not actually 'listening' to what Tharoor was saying and not letting him finish his answers. I don't understand, why was he asking questions, if he doesn't want to know the answers?
@Some4231
@Some4231 4 жыл бұрын
What a riveting conversation!!!! This is how a book review should be done instead of just letting the author speak endlessly... I subscribe to WIRE only because of Karan Thapar.. just brilliant. Only the calilbre of Shashi Tharoor can handle him with a smile and eloquence
@joelalvares8351
@joelalvares8351 4 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed this discussion.....👍👍
@shiwangi787
@shiwangi787 4 жыл бұрын
I have watched like all the interviews that Dr Tharoor gives and one gets to know where his leanings are coming from, but Karan questions in a nuanced way so it compels you to watch! The debate on nationalism & patriotism is a good one.
@cidmistakes
@cidmistakes 4 жыл бұрын
Thoroughly enjoyed listening to both Karan and Shashi. One of the best interviews I have come across in recent times. Good job, keep it up 👍
@sumithaldar4413
@sumithaldar4413 4 жыл бұрын
Fascinating discussion. Keep up the good work Mr. Thapar.
@naseemfirdaus1789
@naseemfirdaus1789 3 жыл бұрын
A great candid interview by two of the best personalities in their individual fields- Dr Tharoor for his excellent explanation of the very relevant questions put forward by Karan Thapar. Karan Thapar should hold more such interviews with Dr Shashi Tharoor for the benefit of the viewers. A great pleasure to ones eyes and ears seeing the two of you together . Hoping for more such interviews in the near future as these are more a learning sessions than mere interviews. 🙏🙏🙏
4 жыл бұрын
It is the only nation that allowed all critics to express their point. Can he express his thought in the language that people can understand. Colonial language can never understand or express how nationalism or patriotism can be expressed as in the local language
@rathorev57
@rathorev57 4 жыл бұрын
This guy speaks in Oxford about the British looting India but works for a family that did the same for several decades.
@bhullartalwinder6536
@bhullartalwinder6536 4 жыл бұрын
Karan is a few journalists left who covers every aspect of topic 🙏🏼🤙🏼🤙🏼🤙🏼🤙🏼
@yashokbabu
@yashokbabu 4 жыл бұрын
Secularism of Europe is different from secularism we follow ... In Europe The Government seperates it self fully and absolutely from religion but in India we never followed absolute secularism. That is the issue with us accepting in identifying our country with a particular religion considering the type of secularism we followed till date. It will simply translate into more turmoil at this juncture
@abdulaleem9207
@abdulaleem9207 4 жыл бұрын
indeed, it will.
@a.s2791
@a.s2791 4 жыл бұрын
Marvelous sparring of words by these great intellectuals, I should be working but here I am listening to them and being thoroughly entertained and educated.
@susantadeb7666
@susantadeb7666 4 жыл бұрын
The British sing for Britannia, Russians have “Motherland” statue in Volgograd, French have “spirit of France”, a lady waving the tricolour. Lebanon has “Lady of Lebanon”. Why Bharatmata is not acceptable? Your country is like your mother, she gives you air to breath, water to drink, provides food to survive and when you die you become part of her soil.
@johngeorg3797
@johngeorg3797 4 жыл бұрын
The common representation of Bharatmata is a Goddess in the pantheon of Hindu Gods which is fundamentally at odds with followers of other religions. They do not believe that the country gives one air to breathe etc. but that one is created in the image or likeness of a God who is more universal.
@susantadeb7666
@susantadeb7666 4 жыл бұрын
@@johngeorg3797 Bharatmata is not in the Hindu pantheons. She was a Painting by Abanindra nath Tagore just like ‘Spirit of France’ or Motherland for Russia or like Britannia for Britain.
@johngeorg3797
@johngeorg3797 4 жыл бұрын
None of the others you mentioned have religious connotations much less temples or churches dedicated to them. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bharat_Mata is this article wrong?
@susantadeb7666
@susantadeb7666 4 жыл бұрын
@@johngeorg3797 The article you mentioned does not say Bharatmata is among Hindu pantheons like Durga, Shiva, Ganesh etc. She was painted by Abanindranath Tagore in Indian tradition. Tagore comes from Brahmo Samaj if you know what I am saying. There is temple for Sachin Tendulkar that does not mean he is a Hindu deity.
@johngeorg3797
@johngeorg3797 4 жыл бұрын
@@susantadeb7666 the very first sentence of the linked article says “Bhārat Mata (Hindi, from Sanskrit Bhāratamba भारताम्बा; अम्बा ambā means 'mother', also known as Mother India in English) is the national personification of India as a mother goddess.[1] “
@snigdhasrivastava5050
@snigdhasrivastava5050 4 жыл бұрын
Can’t appreciate Karan making a fight out of nothing :/
@themintleaf1778
@themintleaf1778 4 жыл бұрын
cannot stomach him
@garimakilledar5810
@garimakilledar5810 4 жыл бұрын
So True. He was trying to raise points out of nothing. Looked like his only goal was to twist the words and misinterpret the meaning in order to prove his own agenda. That's not how you interview. An interviewer must be without a prior agenda to enforce his own thoughts or prove his own points.
@ihazra
@ihazra 4 жыл бұрын
Indus, a Greek word... Indians Hind, an Arabic word.... Hindus Regardless of what language, culture, religion, Dharma, caste, class, creed the mass “belongs” to
@maanlimbachiya5817
@maanlimbachiya5817 4 жыл бұрын
Hindu is the world's oldest religion in the world and you said Hindu comes from Arabic!? That does not make any sense! Might be what you have read in the article is not theoretically identified
@ihazra
@ihazra 4 жыл бұрын
@@maanlimbachiya5817 What I know that the people in “Bharatvarsha” never called themselves as Hindus/ Indians. Both Hind/ India, Hindu/ Indians are etymologically foreign words.
@KiranKumar-nb4nx
@KiranKumar-nb4nx 4 жыл бұрын
@@maanlimbachiya5817 ''Hindu is the world's oldest religion in the world'' - No proof for that.
@ihazra
@ihazra 4 жыл бұрын
@@KiranKumar-nb4nx what is called as Hinduism is the oldest “surviving” “major” religion - although Indic religions like Hinduism 🕉/ Jainism/ Buddhism ☸️ are not a “religion” per se - in the world 🌍 There is no dispute with that.
@KiranKumar-nb4nx
@KiranKumar-nb4nx 4 жыл бұрын
@@ihazra How can you say 'no dispute with that'? You need to back your claims with some materials.Do you know there was nothing called 'hinduism' during the period of Buddha?
@masumahasan4104
@masumahasan4104 4 жыл бұрын
I hope India continues to live by the secular ideals of its founding fathers. Salaam from Karachi Pakistan.
@themintleaf1778
@themintleaf1778 4 жыл бұрын
For God's sake give him the book to prove his point- I was infuriated when Thapar acted like a child and hid the book - afraid of being proven wrong? Only an Indian interviewer can act in such a childish way. Not acceptable in western world. I wish Shashi had forcefully snatched it from him.
@sanjaynalamaru
@sanjaynalamaru 4 жыл бұрын
Only an Indian interviewer eh? You don't seem to have noticed, at that point thappar was trying to agree to Tharoor's idea. So that Tharoor can talk about his book immediately after. It was a segue.
@themintleaf1778
@themintleaf1778 4 жыл бұрын
@@sanjaynalamaru segue? Far from it. Thapar interrupts too much and stops the flow. Annoying
@krishnakumarsubramanian3292
@krishnakumarsubramanian3292 3 жыл бұрын
Man. Nothing better than two intellectuals fighting over concepts. Amazing! Loved it. Wonder when other "media" channels would come back to this level of content.
@cosmopessoa1556
@cosmopessoa1556 4 жыл бұрын
The christians looks to england and America, muslims looks to the Arab world and Hinduism looks to india for all things for their spiritually and national pride.
@prasenjitdewan7230
@prasenjitdewan7230 4 жыл бұрын
A pleasure listening to the interview
@hbajpai6786
@hbajpai6786 3 жыл бұрын
There is no interviewer better than Mr Karan thapar. But sadly Tharoorji can sip English coffee, live in ivory castles and chew history books to write new ones that do nothing to change the ground reality or public opnion. He is a politician, go and fight, win, change. Indian may benefit more. Excellent interview loved it.
@dyutibasu4541
@dyutibasu4541 3 жыл бұрын
I love watching these two debate. It's one of my many hobbies. You can tell Tharoor also thoroughly enjoys this.
@sadiquekhan2004
@sadiquekhan2004 4 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂 ANDHBHAKT : Modi Ji Ye Konsi Bhasha bol rahe hai..?😩😩 MODI : Ye Pakistan ki Bhasha bol rahe Hai..😲 ANDHBHAKT : Khate hai Hindustan ka aur bolte hai Pakistan ka, inhe Pakistan Bhej Dena chahiye😠😠 MODI : Waah Modi Ji waah..😎
@vickybadwal9703
@vickybadwal9703 3 жыл бұрын
Thats why not a single comment by bhakt 🤣
@pmm7268
@pmm7268 3 жыл бұрын
Nationalism 1 was counter colonial; it is against the past. Nationalism 2 is against global corporate colonialism; it is futuristic.
@Ricky-ok9sy
@Ricky-ok9sy 4 жыл бұрын
Shashi Tharoo Ji,is a well learned man,who studied in England with much experiences n by profession he is a lawyer, who can debate in a high level manner surprising the audience...he knows laws on his finger tips, I enjoy seeing him debating n really enjoy cos during my school day was involved in the debating society, India is a great country for having many more wonderful people like him ,god bless him n India god bless 🇮🇳🙏
@jhon1702
@jhon1702 4 жыл бұрын
Karan Thapar k sath wapas interview karwao modi ka.._"dosti bani rahe ""
@gouttamkumarsahu6980
@gouttamkumarsahu6980 4 жыл бұрын
THANKS A LOT FOR THIS WONDERFUL COVERSATION.
@marinafernandes951
@marinafernandes951 4 жыл бұрын
23:00 It was clearly an example 😂
@ismailabdullah8865
@ismailabdullah8865 3 жыл бұрын
Very good interview with mr shashiji is excellent information, thank you very much karanji
@shirazkhan1995
@shirazkhan1995 4 жыл бұрын
2 minutes into the interview and I learnt 3 new words.
@sampritipaul
@sampritipaul 4 жыл бұрын
Such a classy interview....😍
@innociduousnepheliad8140
@innociduousnepheliad8140 4 жыл бұрын
Why is Karan Thapar being so childish? He didn't even let Tharoor take a look at his own book!
@garimakilledar5810
@garimakilledar5810 4 жыл бұрын
That's Thapar at his childish best! 😂🤣
@parthopartho8778
@parthopartho8778 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing discussion 👌👌👏👏 worth watching 👍👍
@amiyshrivastava4088
@amiyshrivastava4088 4 жыл бұрын
Karan Thapar's arguments are actually a classic case of 'Missing the Woods for the Trees'. In trying to push for lessening the differences between Patriotism and Nationalism, Karan hasn't allowed Dr. Shashi Tharoor to make his point even though what Dr. Tharoor intends to say gets more and more blatantly clear. That's Bad Interviewing.
@SuperRiya16
@SuperRiya16 4 жыл бұрын
At Times I too felt that .. Karan wasn’t letting Shashi complete
@ajayprakash865
@ajayprakash865 4 жыл бұрын
Well played Shashi! Karan Thapar bowled a number of googlies but you were impeccable in defence! Wonderful to watch two supremely competent exponents of free speech.
@prakashparashar2920
@prakashparashar2920 4 жыл бұрын
English🤩Vocabulary 🤩Accent.... Scintillating Speeches/Interview 💃🕺💃💃
@humptydumpty6641
@humptydumpty6641 4 жыл бұрын
Top Job material. Deserves to lead the country. Modi must watch this interview.
@jijudanieldaniel5592
@jijudanieldaniel5592 4 жыл бұрын
Even if he watch ,he won't understand an single thing for sure
@glevtube
@glevtube 4 жыл бұрын
Wonderful debate! Thank you to both of you sirs🙏
@muhammedashab1733
@muhammedashab1733 4 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed every moment... but karan could give time to mr. Tharoor for completing sentences..
@waterdrop827
@waterdrop827 4 жыл бұрын
I know this isn’t the best thing to take from the video but his bow tie is so adorable omg
@mansoorali582
@mansoorali582 4 жыл бұрын
India need Leader like Shashi Tharoor and Journalist like Karan
@vaibhavdwivedi8858
@vaibhavdwivedi8858 4 жыл бұрын
Brilliant Interview!
@201.tabeshmahdisifat8
@201.tabeshmahdisifat8 4 жыл бұрын
that conversation became an unproductive one because of karan...i just played that with a curious mind to listen dr. tharoor and his new book outlines but that karan had shattered my appetite..
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