ARE SONG & MUSIC MORAL OR IMMORAL? - An Ongoing Muslim Debate

Song and music are an integral part of our daily lives. It seems that the whole world enjoys the many benefits of these modes of expression. The beauty of the sounds made by humans and by musical instruments have no negative connotation.
You might not know this, but there is a major dispute in Islam concerning the morality or immorality of song and music. Is there clearcut prohibition within the faith? No. And hence why this question is alive 14 centuries since the beginning of Islam and even today, in the 21st century. There are two extreme positions, one favouring the banishment of such expressions, while the other camp claims their innocence as long as the content follows the conservative expectations of the faith in terms of speech and behaviour.
Join the Kandari Chronicles where we attempt to layout the reasons for why one side believes their argument or counter argument is more valid than the other. We look at proof in the Quran and in the various hadiths by the Prophet Muhammed PBUH, that the various Muslim scholars and jurists utilise to present their case and justify their jugdements.
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[@averageweird8158]

I came across this subject at some point when studying Islam. After reverting, I didn't stop listening to music nor songs, but rather I felt an inner urge to change my playlists so they would stop being immoral and disrespectful, I had some kind of musical taqwa that also manifested in liking music that I previously disliked. Nowadays I listen mostly to nasheed (with instruments such as guitar, Arabian traditional instruments and traditional instruments from the Balkans), Arabian music, and all kinds of music that may not be about Islam but that makes me feel Allah(SWT) in my life.

[@thekandarichronicles]

I think your middle way approach is what's best. And finding your personal space with the appreciation of song and music I believe is an individual journey. Just like taste. Even with very conservative or traditional music. Some people it might resonate with, others, not much so.

[@intothewind9320]

I must share an advice and i hope u’ll give me a chance. You see.. the prophet categorically forbade music. However, the prophet used the word “instruments”. So my point is changing ur playlist isnt really benefitting u at all. Im not sure what do u mean by “musical taqwa” but these two words dont come together. The only taqwa you can have is that u leave all types of music for the sake of allah. What I did is i replaced music with podcasts in my freest times untill i gradually lost my interest in music. I know its hard because of how conditioned we r and how music is normalized and is all around is. But if u have the intention of leaving it then that is all u need.

[@sph1226]

@@intothewind9320I commend the fact that you gave correct advice in the gentlest and kindest way. Alhumdulillaah

[@sph1226]

MaShaAllaah sounds like you have come a long way. As this a journey, Allaah help you to keep going and get to the correct place. Aameen. I pray that you will one day get to where you avoid musical instruments. There are many wonderful "a capella" nasheeds (only voice, no music). Congratulations on bracing Islam!

[@sph1226]

@@thekandarichroniclesI would like to say that what Allaah has given us is already a balanced and middle way. This is why we are required to follow Islam to the letter. Allaah forgive our shortcomings. Aameen.

[@U20007]

Music is within us. Music is a form of communication. Mothers sing for their babies can sleep and calm. The birds sing. Whales sing. Allah communicates with mankind through melodies, Torah and Quran We cannot generalize and say that all music is haram and all instruments are haram. Islam is the religion of common sense, intellect, reasoning. Music can be beneficial or harmful, the lyrics of the songs, the type, their rhythm and the behavior of the music stars can lead you down the loser's path, which is currently more common in the West, especially if you are a teenager.

[@thekandarichronicles]

@U20007 I couldn't agree with you more. There is rhythm and harmony all around us. And when we resonate with music it is because there is an inner connection to such beautiful simplicity or complexity.

[@stylicho]

You made a great point about the animals singing. Why in the world would God have animals create beautiful melodies and then prohibit humans from doing that? That wouldn't make sense ie this is why I don't believe in Hadiths

[@brendasmart553]

Cat Stevens music and voice were full of positive messages & Godly sincere, even before his conversion to islam! Oh, and thanks for explaining on the silk rule... I love to wear silk!!

[@thekandarichronicles]

Yes Brenda your affection to silk is kosher. Yes you are right about Cat Stevens and his music. And that is why he was a victim. Victim to those who couldn't show him the support and reveal correctly the morality or immorality of music and song to him.

[@melasguto]

I like to wear organic silk, but unfortunately it’s impossible to buy it anywhere now. Music is my passion. I teach piano. Thanks to Almighty for guiding me on the path where I chose to take advantage of the gift that He granted me with!

[@brendasmart553]

@@thekandarichronicles It sure seems too many are quick to judge and tumble over each other to prove their ill informed ignorance ...

[@Aksarallah]

I suppose you are a women as it's haram for men to wear silk

[@thekandarichronicles]

@melasguto Well done to you for finding your path. Gifts are not to be wasted. As for organic silk, I think that is a great option.

[@commontouch1787]

I find nasheeds much more meaningful than traditional music. Though the good ones are not that easy to find, they totally suffice me and allow me to experience all emotions, and there is a deep variety outside the mainstream. I’m not bothered by listening to music I just don’t feel the need to. May God bless and guide us all

[@thekandarichronicles]

It is absolutely amazing that you have found that balance of where you find your peace. And I think that is what this discussion is all about. There is no clear cut banishment of music. It is based on interpretations. And hence interpretations is fluid. God bless us all indeed.

[@Silverfiddha]

The Arabic language is one of the richest (if not THE richest) in the world, and hence why it's the language of the Quran. Add to that the great Arabic literature which has withstood the test of time, and which has, in some ways, become the backbone of Arab culture and identity. How can such a portfolio be considered "haram"? If singing and music are forbidden, then why is the Quran recited in a musical way? Just some points to ponder... As always Tariq, a great subject and discussion by you. Thank you.

[@thekandarichronicles]

There are arguments even to that detail of why the intentionally beautiful recitation of the Quran or the Athan, call to prayer, are considered not only acceptable but favoured. But no need to go into those. Humans prohibit what they fear and will find the ways in which to make the forbidden unfortunately. Reason should prevail.

[@homer1273]

It’s false to claim that “Arabic is the richest” and that it is why Allah chose Arabic. It is the other way around. Arabic is what is today because of the Quran, or else arabic would have changed and evolved like what happens to every language. The chest beating and bragging about Arabic is also not a good characteristic

[@lerenschrijven9339]

Excellent and to the point! Keep it up Tariq! Enjoyed as usually thank you.

[@thekandarichronicles]

Thanks M. Always puts a smile on my face when the content is informative.

[@IronFromNW]

*Proof that middle ground is important in music with song is looking at the western world and their music like the one named WAP by Cardi B which is the pinnacle of degenerative music that can cause someone to stray from a more righteous path.*

[@thekandarichronicles]

I agree. Degenerative music is quite harmful on one's self respect and that towards others. I don't now the song you mention but we live in an age where imposters unfortunately are the ones spreading the knowledge.

[@Roland_Deschain]

Could popular pop music with obscene and suggestive lyrics are immoral to listen? Could a serenade for a loved one be immoral? Could a church music and gospel songs be degenerative? Can an average person judge which music is degenerative for oneself? It is completely unclear what middle ground is

[@gloriosa8169]

“Among my ummah there will certainly be people who permit zina, silk, alcohol and musical instruments…” (Narrated by al-Bukhari ta’liqan, no. 5590; narrated as mawsul by al-Tabarani and al-Bayhaqi. See al-Silsilah al-Sahihah by al-Albani, 91) This hadith clearly indicates that it is haram

[@Umar2O00]

@@Ramyy5123 The hadith you are quoting is very specific and cannot be applied generally for all cases. There two instances in which it is allowed, celebrations like eid and weddings though it only pertains to the women being allowed to play the duff and sing and not the men. 2. Ibn 'Abbas and Ibn Mas’ud. Abu’l-Sahba said: I asked Ibn Mas’ud about the ayah (interpretation of the meaning), ‘“And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks’ [Luqman 31:6]. He said: By Allah, besides Whom there is no other god, this means singing - and he repeated it three times. It was also reported with a sahih isnad from Ibn ‘Umar (may Allah be pleased with them both) that this means singing. 3. We have general Ayahs, numerous authentic narrations from the prophet peace be upon him, authentic narrations of the companions explaining these Ayahs especially Ibn Abbas whom the prophet made dua for so that he would be given knowledge on this deen but also the students of the companions and their students and etc including the 4 schools of thought. This is very clear and not up to the itjihad of people who come centuries later and thousand plus years later trying to make it seem like it was a conflicting topic that people had disagreements upon (certainly the people of desires and sects did come with such rhetoric) A great video going over the evidences is from a brother called Muhammad James Sutton who studied in yemen for 15 years. Even the hadith you quote does not contradict the other hadiths of the prophet peace be upon him regarding this topic. BaraKhallah feekum

[@Tzadokite]

Our hakhamim taught us that if there is no explicit prohibition in the Quran, or by the prophet (pbuh), then it is permissible. This was the case with the Torah we followed until we supplanted it with the Quran at the command of G-D through H-S tzadokite kohanim prophet, Muhammad (pbuh). remember, his name is in the Torah and G-D says in the Quran that we recognize the prophet just like we recognize our sons from his description in our Torah. Sayyiduna Ayesha loved to listen to music and the prophet would take her to hear music groups, though they would stand at a distance rather than be too close to the group and the other people. I love to hear Mozart, Beethoven and other classical composers and the hakhamim said that since it is not explicitly prohibited, we can listen and enjoy this music.

[@thekandarichronicles]

Yes Tzadokite. Many Hadiths that speak of the Prophet PBUH and the Sahaba and their if not appreciation necessarily but tolerance towards song and music. But those that want to find cracks in these Hadiths will do unfortunately and praise ones that might have even lesser foundation simply because it serves their narrative. I find music as part of my being. Not in the consuming sense but in its resonance. I am moved by it. Classical music has an impeccable way to penetrate your senses and that sensation only leads to one thought, that the Divine is all creating.

[@RRRRRRRRRRR956]

To be fair all kind of tone and rythm existed in nature, it is totally impossible to avoid music completely

[@thekandarichronicles]

Totally agreed. Our hearts have a beat and rhythm.

[@harsyakiarraathallah2222]

Music and Song isn't Haram, it's How we use music and song that can be haram.

[@thekandarichronicles]

Agreed totally.

[@Omerfayyaz2001]

I feel this video is intended to cause further confusion and to give credibility to those who might be looking for a way to portray music as non-sinful or doubtful w.r.t islam thereby giving permissibility to it. Majority of the scholars have deemed it sinful for good reasons. Also risking ones afterlife for something that for arguments sake might be considered permissible by a minority is in of itself a stupid act. If one truly has the fear of the Almighty in their heart they wouldn't dare even considering taking this huge risk.

[@thekandarichronicles]

Hi Omer. Thank you for your commentary and perspective. I dont think this video intends to give any one position any more credibility than the other. It lays out the arguments that each positions bases their judgement on. Ultimately, it's personal choice and you have taken yours and it's amazing that you have such fortitude and conviction in your position. But to take such a position as you do can also lead to the same application towards many a variety of aspects of our lives. Like partaking in politics for example. It involves much immorality but do we stay away from it or not? Again a personal choice based on personal conviction.

[@DonDiiiii]

THere is no clear evidence that states Music is Haram in Quran or in authentic hadiths. But there are many Hadiths which shows prophet allowed music during Eid, prophet compared Quran recitation to the sound of Mazamir(wind instrument). Imam Al Gazali clear stated that ‘Music in itself is not Haram’. That ‘lakuval hadith or idle talk’ in sura Luqman is not about Haramising music. There is a clear context.

[@thekandarichronicles]

Lee all your point are taken well. But you are not arguing against me. It's the many scholars who have judged such judgement. They take the words of AlGhazali one aspect yet deny his conclusions on others.

[@DonDiiiii]

@@thekandarichronicles Accept the fact that no clear evidence exists to Haramise Music in Islam. That's the point! Every Haram in Islam is crystal clear and are all mentioned clearly by ALLAH. If someone think ALLAH missed something or the message has not clearly delivered by the Prophet Muhammad(pbuh), yes then he can go and follow his sect scholars blindly. Catholic christians believe Jesus is the God, because their scholars say so. If they go to hell for blindly following their scholars without searching the truth, then those muslims who blindly follow the scholars should also go to Hell. Thats the logic!

[@thekandarichronicles]

@@DonDiiiii I dont disagree with your first point about the clarity of either revelation or Hadiths. So there is no misalignment at all.

[@user-sp5pc5fs9m]

Very clever analysis. I personally follow the Golden rule of MODERATION to be in the middle of 2 extremes.

[@thekandarichronicles]

Thats the best rule and I am myself a follower of such a mode of existence.

[@Umar2O00]

1.“And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e. music, singing) to mislead (men) from the path of Allah…” [Luqman 31:6] 2. “Among my ummah there will certainly be people who permit zina, silk, alcohol and musical instruments…” (Narrated by al-Bukhari ta’liqan, no. 5590; narrated as mawsul by al-Tabarani and al-Bayhaqi Music being mentioned with other major sins makes it clear being haram....though yes there is an exception or two as Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah explained the hadith regarding the two girls "But the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) made allowances for certain types of musical instruments at weddings and the like, and he made allowances for women to play the daff at weddings and on other joyful occasions. But the men at his time did not play the daff or clap with their hands. It was narrated in al-Sahih that he said: “Clapping is for women and tasbih (saying Subhan Allah) is for men.” Another great explanation by Ibn al-Qayyim regarding the two young girls playing the duff "I am amazed that you quote as evidence for allowing listening to sophisticated songs the report which we mentioned about how two young girls who were below the age of puberty sang to a young woman on the day of ‘Eid some verses of Arab poetry about bravery in war and other noble characteristics. How can you compare this to that? What is strange is that this hadith is one of the strongest proofs against them. The greatest speaker of the truth [Abu Bakr al-Siddiq] called them musical instruments of the Shaytan, and the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) approved of that appellation, but he made an exception in the case of these two young girls who had not yet reached the age of responsibility and the words of whose songs could not corrupt anyone who listened to them. Can this be used as evidence to allow what you do and what you know of listening (to music) which includes (bad) things which are not hidden?! Subhan Allah! How people can be led astray! (Madarij al-Salikin, 1/493)." 3. Ibn 'Abbas and Ibn Mas’ud. Abu’l-Sahba said: I asked Ibn Mas’ud about the ayah (interpretation of the meaning), ‘“And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks’ [Luqman 31:6]. He said: By Allah, besides Whom there is no other god, this means singing - and he repeated it three times. It was also reported with a sahih isnad from Ibn ‘Umar (may Allah be pleased with them both) that this means singing. 4.Ijma of the companions 5. ijma of the students of the companions 6. ijma of the students of the students of the companions 7. ijma of the 4 schools of thoughts (specifically the 4 imams of those schools) 8. Scholars such as Ibn al-Qayyim, Imam Malik,Ibn ‘Abd al-Barr , Ibn Qudamah, Ibn Taymiyah and etc all agreed upon this (yes they are not the only scholars who mentioned this) I am not denying that disagreements did occur regarding this topic but this certainly did not occur at the time of the companions, you will not find a single authentic narration permitting musical instrument outside the duff during eid/celebrations and only young girls playing it/singing. We cannot take one hadith of the prophet peace be upon him and ignore its context and other relavent Ayahs/hadith when trying to make a ruling. When taken as a whole with the relavent Ayahs, hadiths and explanations of the companions you will find they had ijma on this Barakhallah feekum.

[@ramzan6949]

In Quranic verses Music is not haram in Islam especially sufi or classic music.

[@thekandarichronicles]

That is one camp Ramzan. There are many others who might strongly disagree.

[@ramzan6949]

@@thekandarichronicles i think that halal and haram will be only based on Quranic contexts because Quran is Command of Allah.if Allah wanted to music will be haram then Allah will done it by Command in Quran, because Allah has knowledge of future, present and past, So music is not haram . Hadith literature will be respect as tradition. Today most salafi Muslim follow Hadith as look like Quran and they know more Hadith rather than Quran.

[@thekandarichronicles]

I understand your perspective fully and I personally agree with how the Quran is the law and if Allah wanted to forbid music and song then it would be clearly denoted.

[@user-qw3on4wq5b]

Thank you. Interesting as always ❤

[@thekandarichronicles]

Thank you so much!

[@mohamadmerhi9277]

Amazing analysis brother ! Could you also do one on the permissibility of art as in painting, drawing etc...? Because it is quite as controversial as that of music when in comes to the rulings.

[@thekandarichronicles]

Here you go Mohamed. This is a close one but without the rulings. But about its impact on Muslim history. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eYumhYWIl7uGe80

[@aminrehmani3400]

Asslamalikum.agree brother. very will explained .

[@thekandarichronicles]

Thank you Amin. I appreciate your resonance.

[@eleghari]

I remember when Cat became Yousaf and said he was giving up music. I was upset because I knew one had nothing to do with the other. Knew Yousaf had been misled! How could "Father and So", "Peace Train", "Wild Wirld", "Where Do The Children Play", "Oh Very Young", etc. be "unislamic" was beyond me. It really was a disservice for Cat to quit music. I am glad he has finally seen the light. He is the one who had said "If you want to sing out, sing out"...

[@thekandarichronicles]

Yes, his pre conversion songs were more Islamic than Arab musicians. But thats what happens when guidance is misguided. One loses their way.

[@malikbf7135]

Does anyone know the intro song being played up until 1:14?

[@shadowguard3578]

Music without lyrics is in one category and music with lyrics is another category, and generally it’s the latter category that can be problematic. IMHO lyrics and intention of the song should be considered when making any judgment whether we should listen to it or not.

[@thekandarichronicles]

Agreed Shadow Guard. It's great having clarity and I appreciate your sharing your own personal resolution on the topic.

[@shadowguard3578]

@@thekandarichronicles thank you.

[@NGC-catseye]

Once again the topic of music and how it should be used or not used, sends fractures throughout a religious group, to separate, divide and confuse. *sigh*

[@thekandarichronicles]

Fully agreed. We seem to look for things that separate us versus things that can bring us together.

[@justiceriser8970]

To thoese muslim who think music is harma please listen to this guy

[@HassanMohamed-jt1cg]

Theres no verse that prohibited silk in the Quran 7:10

[@thekandarichronicles]

You are correct Hassan, its not a Sura, or verse that identifies Silk as prohibited (not women obviously and also caveated with clarification that those who suffer from allergies towards other fabrics may adorn silk) but actually a Hadith by the Prophet PBUH.

[@angelosaleh8344]

Music is haram when alcohol and women starting to dance with men come into play. Because your feelings can lead you to immoral practices. Even if it's indirect, it will still give you effect. Allahu Must'aan.

[@ramzan6949]

It's pop music culture. But sufi or classic music is different.

[@thekandarichronicles]

Thank you Angelo. I think we must categorise everything that comes with immoral acts as immoral. Not the acts individually. For example, politics can be viewed as immoral because there are lies and falsehoods that accompany it. But is all politics immoral if what is begin said and done is in good faith?

[@brendasmart553]

​@@thekandarichronicles Politics is an excellent analogy and perfect example of your point here Tareq!! They seem to be getting much more worse than becoming any better at their jobs, to me. Money has altered any healthy focus... I'll stop myself from saying anymore.

[@thekandarichronicles]

Yes and the problem with that, you dont see any jurists targeting the politicians. Things that make you go hmmmm.

[@brendasmart553]

@@thekandarichronicles Yes, painfully all too true, hmmmm?

[@optiondrone5468]

3:30 I think you haven't read the Quran and if you're an Arab and Arabic is your language then you must know Iblis promised to distract mankind from the path of Allah, and one of his tool is music and musical instrument, there are numerous verses of Quran and multiple hadith and Arabic linguistic explanation on this topic, just coping and pasting some of these here " “[Allah said to Iblis:] And befool them gradually those whom you can among them with your voice (i.e. songs, music, and any other call for Allah's disobedience)…” [al-Isra 17:64] Quran Expiation of this verse: It was narrated that Mujahid (may Allah have mercy on him) said: “And befool them gradually those whom you can among them with your voice” - his voice [the voice of Iblis/Shaytan] is singing and falsehood. Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allah have mercy on him) said: “This idafah [possessive or genitive construction, i.e., your voice] serves to make the meaning specific, as with the phrases [translated as] “your cavalry” and “your infantry” [later in the same ayah]. Everyone who speaks in any way that is not obedient to Allah, everyone who blows into a flute or other woodwind instrument, or who plays any haram kind of drum, this is the voice of the Shaytan. Everyone who walks to commit some act of disobedience towards Allah is part of his [the Shaytan’s] infantry, and anyone who rides to commit sin is part of his cavalry. This is the view of the Salaf, as Ibn ‘Abi Hatim narrated from Ibn ‘Abbas: his infantry is everyone who walks to disobey Allah.” (Ighathat al-Lahfan). Allah says (interpretation of the meaning): “Do you then wonder at this recitation (the Quran)? And you laugh at it and weep not, Wasting your (precious) lifetime in pastime and amusements (singing)” [al-Najm 53:59-61] Quran Explanation: ‘Ikrimah (may Allah have mercy on him) said: it was narrated from Ibn ‘Abbas that al-sumud [verbal noun from samidun, translated here as “Wasting your (precious) lifetime in pastime and amusements (singing)”] means “singing”, in the dialect of Himyar; it might be said “Ismidi lana” [‘sing for us’ - from the same root as samidun/sumud] meaning “ghaniy” [sing]. And he said (may Allah have mercy on him): When they [the kuffar] heard the Quran, they would sing, then this ayah was revealed. Ibn Kathir (may Allah have mercy on him) said: “Allah says (interpretation of the meaning) “Wasting your (precious) lifetime in pastime and amusements (singing)” - Sufyan al-Thawri said, narrating from his father from Ibn 'Abbas: (this means) singing. This is Yemeni (dialect): ismad lana means ghan lana [sing to us]. This was also the view of ‘Ikrimah.” (Tafsir Ibn Kathir) Abu Umamah (may Allah be pleased with him) reported that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “Do not sell singing slave women, do not buy them and do not teach them. There is nothing good in this trade, and their price is haram. Concerning such things as this the ayah was revealed (interpretation of the meaning): {And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e. music, singing) to mislead (men) from the path of Allah…} [Luqman 31:6].” (Hasan hadith) Now let's look at few Hadith on this subject, The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “Among my ummah there will certainly be people who permit zina, silk, alcohol and musical instruments…” (Narrated by al-Bukhari ta’liqan, no. 5590; narrated as mawsul by al-Tabarani and al-Bayhaqi. See al-Silsilah al-Sahihah by al-Albani, 91) Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allah have mercy on him) said: This is a sahih hadith narrated by al-Bukhari in his Saheeh, where he quoted it as evidence and stated that it is mu’allaq and majzum. He said: Chapter on what was narrated concerning those who permit alcohol and call it by another name. This hadith indicates in two ways that musical instruments and enjoyment of listening to music are haram. The first is the fact that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “[they] permit” which clearly indicates that the things mentioned, including musical instruments, are haram according to shari’ah, but those people will permit them. The second is the fact that musical instruments are mentioned alongside things which are definitely known to be haram, i.e., zina and alcohol: if they (musical instruments) were not haram, why would they be mentioned alongside these things? (adapted from al-Silsilah al-Sahihah by al-Albani, 1/140-141) Shaykh al-Islam (Ibn Taymiyah) (may Allah have mercy on him) said: This hadith indicates that ma’azif are haram, and ma’azif means musical instruments according to the scholars of (Arabic) language. This word includes all such instruments. (al-Majmu’, 11/535). "

[@thekandarichronicles]

Thank you for the comprehensive breakdown on the various Ayahs and Hadiths. I think we have to ask ourselves one think. If the corruption of humanity is the source for the prohibition of music and song, then why isn't there a vocal jurisprudence about politics and politicians. Why not hold them to the same standard as we do of musicians? They have caused much more misery to their nations and the world than a song of a verse have ever done.

[@nayeb2222]

​​​​​@@thekandarichronicles The analogy doesn't seem right. From what you're saying, The Quran should have prohibited being a Soldier, cause all of the death and destruction is caused by soldiers right? But this is wrong because being a soldier is necessary, just as necessary as a politician who has to lead a country. Quran strictly prohibits lying and misleading people, all the death and destruction done by politicians were done by those who were evil and corrupt. So saying Quran doesn't hold them in the same standards is wrong, cause deception is seen as way more evil than music. That doesn't make music okay tho, it still is stated as sinful. The main comment already stated many reasons to believe music is haram, I don’t know how to refute any of those, So we all must take music as haram right?

[@h.w.barlow6693]

Music is inherent to the human soul.