Are Steel Road Bikes, Rim Brakes & Mechanical Shifting Still Relevant?

The Boron Steel Frame Pinella Road Bike got a few upgrades, but are these bikes still relevant and capable in the modern era of cycling. Can rim brakes and mechanical shifting still perform with their disc and electronic counterpart?
I share my long term review, including how I use this bike and its capabilities when compared to Carbon Fiber Performance Bikes.
#steelbike #rimbrakes #Bianchi #review #shifting
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[@TheFloridaBikeVlogger]

nothing better than pulling up to the group rides here in FL and looking around at everyones 5,000$ + plus bike and then realizing all the the people in the front are on mech rim brakes lol I love it.

[@kennethmcdonald4807]

Same in Colorado mate!

[@chadwells7562]

It’s Florida other than for inclement weather why would you ever need disk brakes

[@thegoodwheel]

Happens every weekend 👍🏾

[@cicliolmo7152]

on my rig for weekend rides: 2010 SRAM Red mechanical shifters (with red brake hoods) + TRP R960 rim brake calipers (in anodized red) on a all white 2006 Aluminum Olmo X-Small compact frame (to get that extra long seatpost look). Still doin the job today in 2024. My only bike expense these days are tires and tubes. This bike was recently used in a P12 race as a buddy of mine needed an emergency bike to use and it did well enough for him to get a top-15 placing.

[@jooohan]

@@chadwells7562 Maybe not to break through 2K carbon rims?

[@JCG_Cycles]

You inspired me to get a steel bike and i recently bought 1 for cheap. Cant wait to fix her up.

[@thegoodwheel]

I love these stories! Thanks for sharing👍🏾

[@vaulthecreator]

​@@thegoodwheel well, if ya love stories like that.... my next bike will be steel. The Curve GMX+ in fact. I settled on the steel version instead of the titanium one because this bike will be a full-on adventure bike. With a Ti frame I have two chances of finding someone (if necessary) who can repair Ti in remote and regional Australia - bugger all and none. Plenty who could repair steel though. While it will have discs instead of rim brakes said brakes and shifting while be mechanical. Paul Components for the brakes and Microshift friction/index thumbies for shifting. Still undecided on the deraileur but I keep eyeing the completely rebuildable one from Ingrid. While I can't speak to rim brakes (can't stand 'em other than as a park brake on my cargo bike lol) steel and mechanical are still relevant and will be for a long time to come imho. Aren't we seeing a resurgence in steel frames lately?

[@javiersmith2216]

I had a steel bike for 15 yrs. I had to take it to the bike shop twice to get the rear triangle realigned and once had to do the same w the derailleur hanger. With a carbon bike that would have been three new frames.

[@thegoodwheel]

😂😂😂

[@cecilecorpuz5735]

I've been riding steel rim brake bikes since the early 70's and still do today, friction shifters tubular tires non aero brake levers and toe-clips, yeah, old school 100%! Currently I making ready my 80's GIOS TORINO and I hand build ALL of my wheel sets as well, I'll have several different wheel sets to choose from, if I'm on an easy Sunday ride then I'll mount up my MAVIC G.E.L. 280s with 22mm TUBULARS, my hammer head wheel sets will be with MAVIC SSCs, group ride wheel set will be with MAVIC GL 330s. I'll also will be putting back on the road an 80's Ernesto Colnago Built SARONNI road bike, it was 1 of 10 training frames that was built for Giuseppe by Ernesto, every year Ernesto would build 10 training frameset per year for Giuseppe, it's very cool because these are the only road frames that Ernesto built that uses TRACK fork blades. Last of all, as the saying goes, STEEL IS REAL!

[@StanEby1]

P.S. you made some of the wisest comments, most insightful observations, and most rational assessments I have ever heard regarding a bike like this. Millions need to see this video. Thanks.

[@thegoodwheel]

Wow, thank you!

[@douglasalan5783]

I raced for six years back in the ‘70s. Aside from the few exotic frames back then such as the Teledyne Titan, everyone rode steel bikes. I rode a Geoffrey Butler frame with Reynolds 531 tubing, full Campy grupo, and a Phil Wood bottom bracket. It served me well.

[@thegoodwheel]

Thanks for sharing Douglas👍🏾

[@Shadowboost]

I've ridden a Titan. Interesting bike

[@romanempire1971]

Just want to say thank you for your content. I used to race a lot when I was in my teens and 20s racing a Raleigh. I'm 53 now and getting back into cycling. I bought a used Trek 2300 online for $350 and its all I know. Mechanical shifting, rim brakes. Everything is so advanced than when I remember. Your channel has provided a lot of guidance. I realize I don't need to run to the shop to get the fancy upgrades.

[@SurpriseMeJT]

Cycling is a marketing driven industry. The last 20 years of advancement is just adding unnecessary crap and added complexity to justify consumers to buy new stuff.

[@thegoodwheel]

Welcome back. I hope you find good stuff that works for you!

[@laneromel5667]

Up until this past year I rode a 1971 Peugeot PX10 which I purchased new for $300, not once have I ever had an issue keeping up, or getting dropped.

[@thegoodwheel]

This is awesome!

[@s.j.5850]

Like most things it's not the bike (tool, etc.) but the person riding it.

[@Shadowboost]

Depends on what kind of ride you're on... I got dropped on a 98 mile ride where they averaged 25 mph... Yes, they had deep wheels, aero bars, etc

[@johngaller278]

All steel is not created equal. Same for any material.. My Carlton Raleigh in 531, Schwinn Paramount in Columbus OS and my Mondonico in Dedeci are all different. My Vitus Motobecane Prolight and my Kleins are worlds apart... Each fun in their own way. Best handeling steel bike in my life ever? 1996 Torrelli Cyclocross built with Brain tubing. Your Boron reinforced Bianchi was originally branded as the " Daytona" until Nascar hit them with a cease and dissist over its name. I sold about a dozen of them and came very close to buying one. Great bike.

[@toddl6139]

Just completed restoring an Antonio (Mondonico) 1999 built Torelli Express OS. Neuron tubing. Beautiful machine. Yes, the lugs were pinned. Would love to see the cx machine.

[@johngaller278]

​@@toddl6139 I abused that bike beyond belief and its crashed, buckled and battered remains are on a hook in the garage. I worked for a Torrelli dealership in the 80s and 90s. I think the one I mentioned was a De Bernardi build... We also had a few warranty issues with a few cross bikes from Bill back then and they were replaced by some Mondonico built frames. I also had one of those. No indication what it was constructed of, but it was quite a bit different in regard to handling in the grass. It was better suited to courses that were faster and less technical.

[@thegoodwheel]

👍🏾

[@LackofFaithify]

Yours was the first channel and place I ran across someone that wasn't pushing the all carbon all the time. Took back my very defective, very not light weight Trek Domane, learned how to completely rebuild and replace every part on my 2016 AL from REI (it weighs the same as the super light, all carbon Trek by the by) and now have a bike that is not mass produced at a single Giant factory and marked up a few thousand percent due to be delivered in March. The REI bike becoming my errand running bike due to the level of bike thefts in my area and the other being my riding bike. After learning all I did during my quest, I would never go electric until a group set comes out that is serviceable by me at home without having to go back to the manufacturing and get the iPhone treatment (buy a new one if a tiny thing is wrong). I ride for me, and finally hearing someone that rides far above my skill level say the same thing, was what I needed to not be stuck with something that wasn't very good, and that I was honestly extremely disappointed in.

[@thegoodwheel]

That's awesome. Thanks for sharing👍🏾

[@markg0410]

I am currently in the process of building my next bike. The steel frame (which is presently being fabricated) consists of traditional geometry (no sloping top tube), a threaded bottom bracket, external cable routing, and it will employ rim brakes. I can build a bespoke bike because I have endless choices regarding stems and handlebars, and I can accommodate whatever dimensions I want. (Try to find a 140mm length stem and 46cm width bars in a one-piece setup without jumping through significant hoops) I have no issue with electronic shifting and disk brakes. Still, I appreciate the simplicity of 'old school' technology: no hydraulic fluids, no batteries to charge (other than my Garmin), and no internal cables to fuss with. As someone who likes working on my bike, I enjoy running new cables every Spring and fine-tuning my derailleurs if needed. I appreciate the fact that I will be able to build this new rig in an hour or so without the use of a laptop and syringes. Again, I am not criticizing the new technologies, but I think that the industry has overcomplicated what used to be a fairly simple machine.

[@ryand121984]

I really like your Bianchi. I am a big steel bike fan and a rider on gravel and mountain bike.

[@thegoodwheel]

Thank you and thanks for watching 👍🏾

[@briank4134]

I think that there is a big difference between the air-hardened steel tubesets of today and the ones that came before the late 1990s. I had an Italian-made Bianchi SLX and a Japanese-made Specialized Stumpjumper, and an American-made Salsa A la Carte way back when, and they were just *meh*. But when Reynolds 853 came along, I noticed something was definitely different, and what was different was the tubing wall thickness, due to the superior strength of the new steel alloys. The thin walls of course make the frame a little lighter, but they also make it springier and more resonant. Since then, I have gotten 3 modern steel bikes from air-hardened steel tubesets: a Seven Axiom Steel, a Milwaukee Mettle, and a Battaglin Portofino G. For anyone who thinks steel is clunky, heavy, and dead, you really need to try out a good frame made from 853, 931, Spirit, ThermLX, XCr.

[@razorramon4493]

Battaglin is fire!❤❤❤

[@mattbleuer5011]

Bianchi SLX "meh"?

[@thegoodwheel]

Nice! Thanks for sharing 👍🏾

[@jim34morrison]

I’m always on the lookout for a vintage steel bike to restore. I’ve been riding these titanium bikes since I got into this and I love them.

[@Mosely2007]

It's allI ride at 75. Carbon breaks and has no soul. 2 gravel bikes with discs. Several road bikes with rim brakes. Simple Nd efficent. Would trade the disc for rim. I grew up with rim brakes still ride daily. 12k a year. Love my Ritchey Road Logic , steel. Carbon bike now stays ona Wahoo trainer. As long as you ride , pick what works for you

[@tommyfreckmann6857]

No soul? Tell that to my C40! 😂

[@chadwells7562]

No soul? Not measurable. It breaks? Any hit that breaks a modern carbon frame will damage a steel one, and carbon is repairable. I love steel bikes and rim brakes, but stop being ignorant.

[@thegoodwheel]

Ritchey for the win👍🏾

[@LackofFaithify]

The last part. The last part all day long. I ended up with a bike I did not like and in the end did not want (was able to take it back fortunately) because of the opposite attitude that a far more casual, normie person (which I think I would still be more akin to despite all I learned due to that Trek) that happens to bike, gets hit with any time they walk in a bike store or for the most part see online when trying to decide what too get.

[@daniellarson3068]

@@chadwells7562 I'm no bike person but your statement said that upon the "hit" the carbon would break. I got the impression that perhaps one could still ride the steel bicycle after the "hit." Steel is known to spring back from impacts.

[@bonbonflippers4298]

Ive gone through phases of my cycling life. The funny part is after starting from a cheap aluminum road bike to custom titanium and custome steel...im going full circle back to simpler frames. I am atm hunting for a simple steel frame to ride around with. I appreciate the simple stuff more than the modern carbon bikes because i already have ridden them.

[@jerrymerrill6751]

Just read two posts today about Richey producing new steel frames, rim and disc versions

[@bonbonflippers4298]

@@jerrymerrill6751 hope they come out with better colors

[@thegoodwheel]

👍🏾

[@MP-mt1gf]

Love it. So weird when you say on the steel you feel you're sat on the bike and the Colnago, you're sat in the bike, That's exactly the same way I have described it. I've an 853 pro made to measure, a Stelbel XCR, a Colnago C60, a Colnago Extreme, a BMC Teammachine SLR03 and a made to measure carbon Festka. Love them all. Rim brakes on all.

[@wokex]

Very well nuanced discussions and descriptions, and great job conveying the ride characteristics. You've convinced me to keep a lookout of a used Pinella. I kind of want to swap my carbon gravel fram for a steel one now as well xD

[@returnofthenative]

Well I was out just cruising the bike path along the beach on a CAAD3, 7800 that I use as my commuter when someone on a Brompton came steaming past, pedaling furiously. Its the effort you put in that counts.

[@truthseeker8483]

😁

[@daviddjerassi]

Hi thank you for this no BS video im the Guy raced on 531 and much later on Columbus SLx so in truth i have no idea what carbon is like to race on and therefore value your videos immensely Keep safe Luis.

[@larryt90745]

All my bikes are rim brakes and mechanical shifting. It will stay like that as long as I can find parts. I just restored a steel frame bike circa 1989 Centurion the purple and white color scheme. I installed carbon rims and carbon handlebar. Installed a newer model 10 speed Tiagra. Kept the original shimano 105 biopace crankset. It rides really nice. The carbon rims bring out the best characteristics of the steel frame.

[@chesterthomas5093]

Another excellent video, and I’ll never tire of seeing that beautiful Bianchi!

[@abedfo88]

I'm so glad I found this channel. Thank you.

[@AaronDimonio]

Nice review. You should get your hands on a Ritchey Road Logic. They ride wonderfully and, in my experience, do have a bit of that spring you talked about, which is nice for scampering up steep hills.

[@davidide1525]

I always enjoy your videos, you have a nice speaking style and presence. I mentioned handlebars awhile ago, just put on a Ritchey Skyline WCS bar. You should check them out as they pare very nice with the Campy 11/12 speed hood shape . I find them very comfortable in the hoods, tops ,and drops. Thanks for the video !

[@thegoodwheel]

Will do. Thank you for the kind words👍🏾

[@jeshely]

Plus it looks so good with those gold/yellow accents.

[@BuffsVintageBikes]

Luis, you're giving all our deepest secrets away, if you keep on like this you're going to have everyone on steel and then our bikes won't be so unique anymore ;-) Great video, you put the road feelings into words so well 👌 All my group rides are on steel bikes and I can honestly say, the only shortcomings are with my fitness. The bike will give me everything I give it and still ask for more. Keep those wheels rolling.

[@thegoodwheel]

Ha ha, I am sharing the love👍🏾

[@guol1806]

I’ve an old Univega Modo Vincere made with Columbus steel tubing. I’m saving it to build it up in a few years. The downfall is it is heavier than a decent aluminum frame. However it rides smoother and is just a nice ride.

[@saddleweary2777]

Nice bike, I have a 85 model, all original, best riding bike I own.

[@rwoodford9812]

Great video! I’m old ex cat 3 dude, and I’m with you on Steel, and Ti frames, rim brakes, and cable shifting. I just upgraded my Serotta Ti to the Dura Ace 9100. Your Bianchi is really beautiful! Great video production also! 🍺😁

[@thegoodwheel]

Thanks for watching 👍🏾

[@rwoodford9812]

BTW I'm actually a Campy fan, I built my first Campy bike in 1976 with Record and then updated it to Super Record when I had the funds. Love your channel and your topics, I do miss the large group rides, but I guess in my old age I am liking my zen time. Looking forward to future videos.

[@WilliamJewett-oz8zn]

Excellent build and commentary.. love a good resto mod build.. I would write more but I’m on eBay looking for this frame 😁

[@thegoodwheel]

Ha ha. They are out there👍🏾

[@johnnydarko8031]

much love from 🇭🇲 Australia. Thankyou for keeping it real.

[@thegoodwheel]

Thanks for watching👍🏾

[@jackiegammon2065]

I entirely agree with you! The only steel bike I have is a self contained touring bike, but I do own a custom ti frame that I just love. I may need to replace it at some point, as it has a 1" steer tube, but other than that it is the bike of my dreams. Like you, when I look at other bikes, I haven't seen one in many years that I am even interested in. Perhaps I'm too old school with wanting rim brakes, no interior cable routing, etc... I do own a small shop, so I get some grief for riding an older bike, but once I do ride it, well, it's like putting on your favorite pair of slippers. I do own a few Cannondales, most are CAAD 7 frames, and while they are great bikes... I still prefer my ti bike. While I have been thinking about a Ritchey frame, perhaps I'll look on Ebay and simply see what is out there. Thank You for sharing this post, and also validating that I'm not the only one that is simply not interested in the majority of today's road bikes.

[@s.j.5850]

It's just like owning a classic car. If you know, you know. The wise ones don't necessarily follow the latest trends. They make an assessment & decide if it is upgrade or just marketing hype for wannabe racers. If that's your thing & you have to be in with the crowd then go ahead & spend your money on a carbon fiber wonder bike that will most likely not hold its value. Time will tell.

[@thegoodwheel]

Thanks for sharing 👍🏾

[@hal9058]

Lovely and well stated defense of Steel, I'm a Ti owner & fan & hence a metal frame adhearant. Though you didn't go into defense of rim & mechanical shifting both of which I contend are still the way to go for the vast majority of cyclists. Mech components are more robust in the long run. I can always fix a mech issue if not on the road, certainly back in my garage + I never wory about a battery having enough charge. I guess my bottom line is back to the basics that are tried an true. That said I think I'll ride my fixie today.

[@paddlestandingup]

Great video. Refrain from succumbing to the pressure of thinking your current bike is no good. Just ride what you have.

[@vilim406]

Best bang for your buck is that CAAD10. The only thing you are giving up is a little compliance. But then again you buy the caad10 for hammering until you barf up a lung (while looking back to see all the $10k plus bikes behind you) and not so much for Sunday strolls.

[@thegoodwheel]

👍🏾

[@fl0lian810]

Great video luis. love your talk about your love for steel bikes. i couldnt help but notice a slight noise floor in your commentary... gave me a slight headache sadly. maybe try to filter it out? that would be awesome. anyways, keep on riding!

[@thegoodwheel]

Thanks for pointing that out👍🏾

[@darrenhill8503]

As always a very interesting and informative.

[@thegoodwheel]

Thank you!

[@davidwarner6755]

Great video! Thank you for the interesting commentary. Thoughts on Ti?

[@thegoodwheel]

Thanks for watching. Will be building one soon👍🏾

[@alvab9146]

Your metal rim brake bikes are beautiful and you clearly have a passion for them. Keep riding what you like bro.

[@djones_IronSharpensIron]

I'm in my 50's and the last steel frame road bike I had the pleasure to ride was my blue Schwinn varsity 10 speed from the late 70's. However, since 2012 I have had my Fuji Roubaix 1.0, and its easier for me to list out what is original vs what I changed. It has the original frame (of course), fork and handlebars. Over the life of the bike, I have changed everything else. It has mechanical shifters/derailleurs (105), rim brakes (105), aluminum frame, and it does more than I can do, so I am good. I have no desire for anything new. (However, I like that Pinella you have) For me Aluminum ALL DAY. P.S. Looking forward to the day when I can look my bike in the face and say, "Now I can do more than you can do. Naaaa".

[@thegoodwheel]

Thanks for watching 👍🏾

[@murphyco88]

In northeast finally getting to ride my 99 carrera podium with brain tubing …thanks for knowledge enjoy the new year blessings brother😎

[@thegoodwheel]

Thank you Murphy! Ride safe👍🏾

[@Necrocous]

I picked up a Bianchi steel frame last summer. Almost done with the build, got a good feeling about it 🙂

[@thegoodwheel]

Awesome!

[@fstuart1547]

Please keep your passion. I enjoy your vids.

[@thegoodwheel]

Thank you!

[@artiedeianni3642]

I have ridden custom steel on all of the big South Florida rides.. carbon aero wheels are a must of course. The idea that disc brakes are a must in Florida is ridiculous. Love the content Luis.. keep it coming!!

[@thegoodwheel]

Thank you Artie!

[@johnyoon5399]

I never understood when I heard people talk about going from high spec-level bikes back to "lesser" bikes, but now I'm experiencing it myself. Despite having built up a custom Specialized Aethos w/ SRAM Force AXS and Hunt carbon wheels, I find myself gravitating more towards my Cannondale CAAD13 more often than not. The Aethos has met all my expectations (which were high) - it handles and accelerates amazingly well while offering a very comfortable ride. Maybe it's because I'm not used to riding carbon road bikes (having ridden a CAAD9 for over a decade), but the CAAD just feels more like home to me. Or maybe because, you don't always want to be riding a super-sharp handling, super-responsive bike.

[@thegoodwheel]

👍🏾

[@michaelhooks3919]

You know the old saying, steel is real! Enough said ride on.

[@thegoodwheel]

👍🏾

[@javiersmith2216]

I like the fact i can put my rim brake bike in the back seat or trunk of a car. Centering a rim brake is just a turn of a screw. I can still skid in two inches of water in the rain. I dont have to worry that someone is going to knock my brake out of alignment when i lock it up on a bike rack. I never spend any money maintaining them. I bought some brake shoes recently for a used bike i bought. They were $12. They will last years despite riding it everyday. I dont need special tools to replace a tire. I have quick release.

[@dwaynerandolph3565]

Long time & Happy New Year’s 2024 @luis scott My cycling Journey started in the year 2000, exactly 24 yrs ago. I’ve always been in excellent shape & a coworker thought that I would be a natural at cycling. So I looked into purchasing my 1st road bike & stumbled upon a red steel framed Bianchi. I Test road the bike & instantly fell in love with it. The acceleration was incredibly unbelievable. I then test road a cannondale CAAD 4, but the ride quality was night & day. The shop owner said that the Bianchi was too small for me and that I would suffer on along ride, so he talked me out of the purchase. I eventually bought the cannondale that too was actually too big for me (60 CM). I soon learned my proper fit is a 56 CM frame, but will never forget how awesome that steel framed Bianchi felt each time I took a stomp on the pedals. I Have now purchased 10 road bikes in my 24 years of cycling & they are all Cannondale bicycles, but I’ve just purchased the cannondale Carbon Synapse, my 1st carbon bike but promised myself my next build will definitely be a steel framed bike, hopefully a Bianchi 🙏🏾❤ PS The Alloy Cannondale Synapse I currently own is only 2 yrs old but the deal I got for my 2023 Carbon Synapse with The Smartsense features was a deal I couldn’t pass up, but let’s see what this Carbon bike does for me, for I will always love that first ride on that red framed steel Bianchi 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@thegoodwheel]

Thanks for sharing. There are many Cannondale lovers out there👍🏾

[@pastorius]

i really like how you keep coming back to your Pinella and how you speak about importance of getting deeper with our perception and appreciation, beyond the non-authentic and over-simplified approach.

[@thegoodwheel]

Thank you!

[@grettaava1155]

I seem to hold my own on a stainless RB , mechanical Bike, the few Carbon bikes I’ve ridden have done nothing to take my breath away. Just ordered another Italian frame 😁

[@thegoodwheel]

Nice!

[@jered2177]

Fine bike you've built

[@thegoodwheel]

Thanks you!

[@jeremynorth]

I get it too from my Gios Cinquentenario aluminium and Raleigh 625ti titanium as well as my Raleigh Road Ace Panasonic 531c. Metal frames are fantastic when well made.

[@thegoodwheel]

👍🏾

[@steveprice9737]

My two race bikes are a Boardman Air9 carbon fibre from 2010 ish which is fast even by today's standard and a 1980s 753 race bike. The difference in weight is negligible as the carbon has a lot of tube for aerodynamics and the steel bike was for racing at the highest level ( national competition) The carbon bike is quicker ( I use the same wheels and tyres) due to massively superior aerodynamics. However in very hilly races on rough roads the steel bike is marginally quicker and in a hill climb ( I'm in the UK 😂) the steel bike is better by some way. If I had to choose I'd keep the steel bike, its more exciting but comfortable on rough roads. I have a 1964 Moulton tt bike, but that's another story.... Good vid, cheers, Steve

[@lecoachdefrancais-5983]

Rode carbon before, and went for a bespoke steel bike a little bit more than a year ago. Best move I've ever done. Amazing power transfer, comfort, reliability, far safer than other material, a joy to ride. I went significantly faster (and I do a lot of hillclimb), I use the bike for everything, comuting, group ride, solo ride, hard training session, and sometime doing some hillclimb race. I also use downtube shifter with a 2x10speeds set up (more durable set up than 11 or 12 speeds), alloy wheels, and never felt at disadvantage against super expensive disc road carbon bikes on the contrary.

[@thegoodwheel]

Nice! Thanks for sharing 👍🏾

[@stevensantana8049]

Good video we should meet soon at the ride so you can see my 2005 Pinella with Campy record 12 Speed

[@thegoodwheel]

Yes sir. This Saturday, I will be at Alex's Ride84 ride

[@batmonkey]

Upvoting for your impeccable pronunciation of "superleggera"

[@thegoodwheel]

Thank you👍🏾

[@kam175]

hell yeah they are.......

[@thegoodwheel]

👍🏾

[@50whatnomadtravelnursemtb5]

Think you talked about this before? Yeh are great!

[@thegoodwheel]

👍🏾

[@klein-concept]

I just rode the Sa Calobra climb in Mallorca with my Steel Standert Triebwerk. Loved it and would have not switched to any other carbon bike for this. Was so much fun. Maybe would have even preferred my Daccordi steel bike from the early 2000s but at 2000m climbing i preferred having disc for the long descents.

[@thegoodwheel]

Hey Michael, I bet that was exciting. I will be making a point of riding this on all my important rides this year, whenever logistically possible.

[@traceyjackson8471]

Great video!!!!!

[@thegoodwheel]

Thank you Tracey!

[@brandonsouba]

Thanks for the video. It would be cool for you to test out a steel fork too - that can change the ride feel a lot. Cheers!

[@thegoodwheel]

It sure can. Thanks for watching👍🏾

[@czeckson74]

nothing can conquer the comfort of steel !

[@thegoodwheel]

👍🏾

[@keithnewton1966]

Liked the video before it started👍

[@thegoodwheel]

Love this!

[@bradtowne2305]

F*ck yes. People who have disc brakes are gonna regret the complexity down the road

[@thegoodwheel]

👍🏾

[@bonbonflippers4298]

Woah hold on there, complexities comes from poor maintenance. I have 3 disc bikes and 1 rim brake. I love my rim brake but I have no issues with my disc bikes. I ride my disc bike during wet season in down pour over my rim brake bike. Advantages and disadvantages are in both bikes.

[@gearmonger8616]

Being of a similar age and mindset, I would like to agree with you. HOWEVER, I did a century race for the first time in two decades on an Emonda ALR with 30mm tires on 35mm rims - tubeless. The proof was in the numbers, 12 fewer watts needed to maintain an average speed of 22mph. And it was way more comfortable than any steel bike I've ridden, event with the 36mm bars. I wanted to buy a luxe steel frame and stay with rim brakes, but it won't work the same.

[@thegoodwheel]

Emonda is an absolutely amazing bike👍🏾

[@s.j.5850]

Depends on how it's engineered. Type of steel, heat treating process, tubing wall thickness, angles, added stiffness where needed etc. Same thing they do with all the other materials they use to make bicycles.

[@Shadowboost]

​@@s.j.5850 Emonda ALR has aero tubing. Good luck with that with steel from anyone not named Rob English

[@jean-paullanglois5452]

The size of the tires was responsible for your comfort 😊!!!

[@gearmonger8616]

I agree and rim width didn't hurt. But you can't go that size on a rim brake bike, right? More comfy and faster with the same HR and wattage output.@@jean-paullanglois5452

[@a1white]

7kg steel frame belies the myth the steel is slow and heavy. That Bianchi sounds like a fantastically well thought out bike.

[@toddmcdonough]

I have a Marin Trevisio from the early 2000's built from a similar tubeset to your bike (Deda E.O.M.). Its very light for a steel bike but has shaped and oversized tubes that add stiffness. Responsiveness is very good (a lighter set of wheels would help) but I actually prefer the ride quality of my Surly Straggler which really doesn't seem to make sense. Even with the same wheels and tires the Surly rides like caramel where the Marin is a bit crispy. Its crazy how steel bikes vary so much.

[@thegoodwheel]

They really do. The new stuff has a different feel as well.👍🏾

[@SurpriseMeJT]

I had a Jamis Eclipse 853 (probably just the main triangle) and despite the small diameter tube profiles, it ran rather stiff compared to my Surly Crosscheck. I think regular old 4130 gives a great ride quality. I'm on my 2nd modern Ritchey and that tubeset is probably just well designed 4130. The ride quality is unmatched.

[@identifier_]

Luis, I would love to see you check out a steel Cinelli Vigorelli (Road) if you can get your hands on one. There is a beautiful, purple rim brake version I think you'd enjoy. As a recent performance-minded steel frame, I think it's a compelling option for many people considering the steel route you advocate for.

[@Shadowboost]

Guy in my group has one. It's pretty, but not as light as my CAAD10

[@Omnis2]

The Darkstar was better on paper. Cinelli are fashion/collector bikes.

[@thegoodwheel]

Thanks for the tip👍🏾

[@davehunt2191]

I think so. I have raced steel MTBs for years and they were great.

[@henryiba386]

Generally agree with you re steel v. aluminum v carbon. I like them all by the way but prefer the ride quality of steel framed bikes. I noticed you ride in wet weather. What is your opinion about rustproofing the frame? I have used "frame saver" in the past. I am also a big fan of Bianchi steel bikes and have owned 3; superb performance yet each had it's own unique ride characteristics. Nice video!

[@thegoodwheel]

Thank you Henry. I use framesaver and keep an eye on it. The biggest concern is the rear brake stops under the top tube

[@simonwarmer8777]

Both very nice bikes man!

[@thegoodwheel]

Thank you👍🏾

[@giordanostramare]

The corrent record on Alp d’huez has been made on steel bianchi 39/23 and 21 tubular on alloy wheel. Tour de France has been win on that bike, giro d’Italia too in the same year also. So I think steel can still be a good bike on uphill

[@Handletaken4]

Was in a shop last week. They had a 1996 Trek OCLV with Ultegra 9 for $499 and a Ciocc SL with chrome fork and Chorus 9 for $2400.

[@thegoodwheel]

👍🏾

[@Dr.DP-PhD]

Mate you just got to try a Tommasini, new or second hand. Things of beauty and really are the best Italian frame I’ve ever owned - including Colnago, Pinarello, Ciocc, De Rosa, and Paganini. Spot on with tubs too. 35mm Boras, One or Ultra, with AC3 tracks absolutely lovely, fast, comfy and great handling wheel set .

[@thegoodwheel]

A friend just built up an Xcr with super record 12 semi wireless. I'll see what I can do about a parking lot loop😁

[@Dr.DP-PhD]

Wow that’ll be really interesting! Sure your viewers would love your impressions of the new Campag 12 speed electronic, and a stainless steel frame from a top manufacturer. This combination will be very rare in the wild! Must be honest even though I love Campagnolo 12 speed mechanical, and am not totally anti disc brakes, just don’t think they’re needed for road bikes, it would need one heck of a salesperson to get me to buy the new Campagnolo semi-wireless. I’d get a Tommasini XCR though in heart beat.

[@jmuzquiz1]

I'm getting back into cycling and bought a used Salsa Colossal 2 steel frame with 105 groupset. It is so fun to ride! Found some Easton carbon bars for cheap, which will be the first upgrade. I saw you also upgraded the wheels as well. What other upgrades do you recommend?

[@militaryminedid2011]

Thanks for this!. I had built a Fondriest steel frame with modern components and always regret selling it. Interested in your thoughts with a titanium comparison. I had a Lynskey Ti I regret selling as well, lol. Live, learn, ride!!!

[@thegoodwheel]

Titanium content coming soon👍🏾

[@nerigarcia7116]

I have a custom steel Speedvagen Rugged Road and although it feels smooth and goes fast, I do notice that it takes a little bit more work to get it up to speed of my modern carbon bikes. As an everyday rider or even long, calm group rides, I think it works and fits my needs, but if we're talking about performance gains, I think a modern carbon bike still edges it out. I wouldn't want to climb on my steel bike even though it's only 19 pounds. My road race bike is only 14 and is just a lot more snappy. If we're talking pure performance at a high level, I don't think they're relevant anymore, but if we're talking about a great all-around bike to own, they're still very much in the mix.

[@thegoodwheel]

Thanks for sharing👍🏾

[@alphasierra1439]

Love your content Luis. I’m on the hunt for a Pinella now😊 May I ask what size it is? It looks like a 53or maybe a 51?

[@thegoodwheel]

Thank you. It's a 53

[@bikenraider99]

I check all 3 boxes and stand by over 100 years of old bicycle tech. I do ride other frame material and bike setups, save for electronic shifting. I just prefer the simplicity of mechanical groups sets, rim brakes and a steel frame.

[@alexandros_thessaloniki]

Hallo Luis, excellent job with your videos. I had the same thoughts and i was thinking if i was out of the modern way but the quality and the functionality is simple. You inspire me and we have the same love about bianchis. I bought an intrpepida endurance ( it was the cheapest bianchi carbon in the shop ) full 105 selle italia deda s.ligero fulcrum whls and the bike tranform aesthetically and performance. The pinela steel is 1300 !!!! ....... mine 1200..... maybe the heaviest carbon hahaha. By the way i want your opinion. I wear fulcrum racing4 rimb 35pr.... very nice braking and stability ( not so light but honest ) . Will be a good upgrade fulcrum 0 or campagniolo shamal? both are about the same price. Is it worth it? You put me a bug with the steel, Keep going with your Chanel it’s amazing.

[@thegoodwheel]

Thank you for your kind words. The Fulcrum Zero and the Shamal Ultra are about the same. I have used Fulcrum zero and 1 and liked them both very much👍🏾

[@litchips]

The power of steel from rider to wheel

[@thegoodwheel]

👍🏾

[@davidbee9563]

Good update. Not all steel frames are the same nor Al or carbon. But a modern steel race bike is likely to have carbon seat post, fork and possibly wheels or cockpit. So these have an infulence on the final ride characteristics and, obviously, weight. The big difference with a carbon frame bike is weight. Like aero parts, the person on the bike influences those two more than the bike itself. Do you still ride the new steel bike or has it found a new home?

[@thegoodwheel]

Thanks for watching. I still have it. It is stripped down for sale and shipping.

[@bengt_axle]

What are your thoughts on a gravel/adventure bike? I like the feel of steel on bumpy roads, and am thinking of building one up from Spirit (or some other tubing) with 650b wheels. I don't want to ride any trails, just fire roads and still want it to be fast, yet strong enough for light loads. Got any advice?

[@CaptainRon956]

It’s videos like these that made me pop on an all original 1987 12 speed Lotus challenger sx with all Shimano hardware. I’m half tempted to pull the groupset & stick in a Tiagra 4700 10 speed groupset to see what happens

[@thegoodwheel]

Do it!

[@somedude2734]

Of course they are relevant. My 2013 cervelo s3 with da900 is just as great as my 2021 bcc road machine one with disc and etap, so is my Lynskey premier. I love riding them all, barely any difference to my average speed, rest is just my fitness. Now, if we start talking mountain bikes, there is a noticeable difference. 2020 yeti 130 lower spec feels light years away from 2011 top spec sworks stump jumper.

[@jamestlustig]

I love my 2012 Cannondale SuperSix Evo, but, my dream ride has always been a Colnago Master X-light.

[@thegoodwheel]

The Master is a bike well worth acquiring 👍🏾

[@jamestlustig]

@@thegoodwheel hopefully one day soon!

[@josiahlomas2111]

Man...that is a beautiful custom built bike. .

[@thegoodwheel]

Thank you!

[@stevekelly6544]

Yes, yes, and yes….I’m planning on building up a Crust Malocchio or Soma Pescadero in the future- because I want a mechanical, rim brake, steel all road bike. I’m not a racer, I’m just a guy who loves riding bikes…

[@thegoodwheel]

Nice!

[@evsta100]

LOL another good one Thank You, you'd be the kind of guy I'd like to grab a large coffee and chat bikes all day long. 🙂

[@thegoodwheel]

I like coffee🤗 Thanks for watching 👍🏾

[@charlesmansplaining]

Heck yeah steel is relevant. I'm currently proceeding to get Chris Bishop build me a custom steel lugged rim brake bike. I don't like carbon and I'm done buying it. I used to be concerned about weight, no, obsessed with it, but TBH a bike that weighs more actually feels better when it comes to control and compliance. I'm not competitive anymore so my priorities are about enjoying the ride and actually getting my monies worth with my purchase. If people like carbon that's fine, they can have it, it's not for me anymore. Also good classic aluminum wheels are hard to find these days but I found Pacenti sells them so I'm getting the rims and building the wheels up with my choice of hubs. It's going to be an eye catcher no doubt. Shinny Silver bits, Oh Yeah Baby!

[@Shadowboost]

Light bikes are more fun. Stability is about geometry

[@charlesmansplaining]

@@Shadowboost Depends on what you mean by "Fun". Lots of Folks get fun and enjoyment from just getting together for an adventure or simple group ride with no competitive attitudes. I've had enough of trying to race everyone and just feel good about the exercise and health benefits I get from my bike. The stability I'm referring to how sketchy a light bike feels in comparison to something with weight. Lots of factors play into that feel besides geometry and I've ridden enough years to be able to tell the difference.

[@Shadowboost]

@@charlesmansplaining I've got 11 road bikes weighing from 14 pounds to 22. Handling is all about geometry primary and relative front rear stiffness secondarily. By physics, inertia is the enemy of handling Fun to me is regardless of what type of ride, the bike wants me to get out of the saddle. It's just begging to be thrown around

[@charlesmansplaining]

@@Shadowboost Okay 😉

[@thegoodwheel]

Sounds like a wonderful build!

[@s.j.5850]

Steel is real! No carbon fiber wonder bike for me. I have a Breezer Venturi with Ultegra components that I bought for almost 50% off because it was a 3 year old bike (brand new) that nobody wanted because it was not in style. I also just picked up a titanium bike from Ebay for $1,200 with Ultegra components & Mavic wheels. Since I don't intend on racing these 2 bikes are perfect for me. How much are those carbon fiber bikes going for now?

[@Shadowboost]

100 bucks is my cheapest one, 2700 my high end. And everywhere in between. 15 pound Supersix Evo HM with dura ace was 500 bucks

[@thegoodwheel]

👍🏾

[@javiersmith2216]

The thing i dont get about disc brakes is that years ago the pros used to say brakes are about managing/controlling your speed. Now they are about stopping on a dime. When and how did the paradigm change?

[@thegoodwheel]

👍🏾

[@davetbassbos]

Before I even start watching I'm going to say yes. Downtube shifter and threaded headsets are maybe a little too retro, but steel, rim brakes and mechanical shifters are fully evolved machines, Nothing good has happened since the 90s (In bike design I mean)

[@thegoodwheel]

Thanks for watching 👍🏾

[@rogermacbain]

true temper reynolds deda columbus sanko pestige best thing about steels is they all have their own characteristics and what im riding a trek pilot 5.2 from around 2006, howd you reinvent the wheel by adding disc brakes to a road bike

[@ringthebell6608]

Never rode steel but I might try one next time I buy a bike

[@thegoodwheel]

They are great!

[@user-nt8dy4xw9r]

I haven’t ridden a high-end steel bike, but in my experience steel is very good for flat or downhill course; better than carbon in terms of stability. However, on a hill climb, it’s not a match. In the end, riding both seems to be the right answer for me.

[@thegoodwheel]

👍🏾

[@BrianRPaterson]

Steel, no problem. Mechanical, no problem. Rim brakes? That's a problem for me, especially in the wet. (And so are integrated cockpit cables) I wouldn't pay 5K+ for a bike either. But I'll pick discs when it rains, and it rains a LOT in Asia during the summer. Each to their own. I rode rim brakes for decades, but I feel safer on discs. Live long and keep pedalling.

[@thegoodwheel]

Ride safe friend 👍🏾

[@StayZero556]

Being a clydesdale I don’t even bother with carbon bikes. I’m not anywhere near the physical fitness needed to get the most out of one, and I need heavier duty wheels so I’d be negating the weight advantages of an all carbon bike anyway.

[@Omnis2]

0:48 Hey where's that? 8:04 You might be a bike hipster if you still call it Dedacciai, lol. Do they even make steel components anymore? No mo' acciaio I'm gonna try to get out more in February. I'm doing up to 2 hours on the spin bike with no more foot/toe issues so I should be 100%-- just trying to get my fitness back up now. Still have to bring out the steel beast you inspired me to build, and give you your hella late Xmas present LOL. (If we get too close to valentine's day, you're gonna have to wait for March instead 😂)

[@thegoodwheel]

😂😂😂 Yeah, you sorted the brakes... then parked it🤷🏾

[@tommays56]

Ya I have two custom .7/.4/.7 steel frames I kept after closing my frame business and I Aluminum Cyclocross bike the TIME ADHX with modern stuff is so vastly superior in every aspect