Are The SILENT HILL Movies Really That Bad?

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[@RyanHollinger]

*What should I talk about next?* Let me know below! Revelation 3D review begins at 11:42

[@kalamaroe7137]

Maybe the human centipede series?

[@SuperStuda]

Work's of Argento?

[@WASTEOIDx]

Clockwork orange

[@memebig8796]

You should talk about Treatsforbeasts's bizarre short films

[@yena4066]

can you talk about hell raiser?

[@darksider9534]

On a side note, the music of Silent Hill is absolutely fricking brilliant.

[@claewilson8234]

A guy I used to be in a band with gave me a burned copy of the soundtrack. I listened to it on repeat for like 3 months straight. Akira Yamaoka is one of the best, most underrated composers of our time. I would love to see what he could do on a del Toro film.

[@ThaXXXGOD]

Facts

[@rickydo6572]

The one thing that never really lost it's quality was the soundtrack, that because Akira Yamaoka made the soundtrack to basically every SH game up to Shattered memories

[@VAVORiAL]

I think everyone who has played the games, or even just watched the movies, can agree that the soundtracks are masterfully executed, unique and beautiful.

[@AceAttorny]

My Heaven a bop

[@TH3F4LC0Nx]

While it's not by any means great, I will defend that first Silent Hill movie as an admirable attempt at adapting a video game to film. It mostly nailed the atmosphere, though it may have ditched some of the symbolism and themes. The real problem is that the story of the movie can be a little alienating unless you're already into the games. Still, it tried, (and it's a helluva lot better than the "sequel"!)

[@ReneAensland]

The Behind the Scenes for the 1st movie were great! They put so much thought and effort to the scenes, the characters, the monsters, and the visuals.

[@sonicbelmont300]

I'd still say they managed to keep a good chunk of the symbolism there, like when Pyramid Head stabs through the door and the beetles pour in which can easily be interpreted as forced penetration. Admittedly, I'm not a huge fan of the games but I've always loved the first movie and now defend it vehemently after watching GoodBadFlicks's video on it.

[@DonaldAMisc]

I LOVED the first (as a Silent Hill fanboy, but as a movie critic I agree)! I saw it 5 times in theaters, something I've never done in my life! The sequel...there was no sequel in my eyes. 🤫 But I am very happy to hear Christophe Gans plans on making another Silent Hill film in the near future!

[@renegadedjinn5325]

While I'll admit that the 1st film had cinematography and great atmosphere of a silent hill nature...the plot is kinda dumb. I know anyone would accuse me of hating simply because "It didn't adapt fully from the 1st game" well no cause that would be boring as I already did the game so changes can be good if executed great. What lost me was the back and forth of Cheryl oh wait Sharon I'm sorry having both parents alive so we can see what Rose is doing then cut to Chris (who's played by a not dying Sean Bean) is doing this breaking the tense atmosphere from Rose. We take away a cult trying to impregnate a little girl with psychic powers to birth a god...to witch burning.

[@sonicbelmont300]

@@renegadedjinn5325 to be fair, the Sean Bean scenes were forced afterthoughts from execs who thought there was too much focus on the women in the movie

[@im.weasel]

The first one is actually sick. It has a special spot in my heart because they actually filmed the school scene in my home town. It was filmed in a school called Alma College. It was burned down years ago. There's videos on KZbin of the school burning down.

[@jackroberts2704]

That's creepy

[@mcduck844]

Alma... Like in F.E.A.R.?

[@abadenoughdude300]

@@mcduck844 Alma, fire... Everything checks out.

[@fredbyoutubing]

I disagree that the CGI aged badly, and you mention lack of details during scenes that actually use practical effects (the nurses were dancers in costumes and make up)

[@johnspencer7838]

Preach!

[@RookieTok]

Yeah, the janitor had greenscreened legs but was still a cool effect I thought. I didn't know the nurses were practical effects though, that's cool to know!

[@BarkyFoxtrot]

The fog filled town was also, in fact, a real set. Most of the movie is practical, only the impossible stuff was done via CGI.

[@CurtyTails]

The film honestly has the same problem as final destination 4-here I think the effects work to its advantage because the uncanny valley of the effects being real but not so at the same time feels genuinely disturbing in the back of the mind. The problem with the practical effects they are either edited weird like with the creature with no arms (sorry I don’t know most of the creature names) or it feels like CGI was layered so much onto them that it ends up feeling fake. Final destination 4 uses the same technique for effects in final destination 2 and for some reason they look more fake in the fourth film than the second one even though it’s the same techniques which makes wonder what the fuck happened? I feel like they tried to have the nurses be real but they added some editing tricks and effects to make it more uncanny making the CG feel off and either it works for you or it doesn’t-it either works to be uncanny and creepy or feels fake depending on how much the uncanny valley affects you. So to some extent I agree-but I feel they added some shit in post that made it look worse. The dude with no arms is the best comparison because they sprayed real black liquid onto the actress like in the film but in the actual scene it ends up looking fake and digital….

[@sigmanimus8332]

all the monsters hybrid effects, every single one was performance artist in a suit/makeup but with CGI overlay, I think that was more to blend them in with the green screen background

[@thehitherto5348]

I have defended the first one for 10+ years now. It's not without flaws, but the visuals and creature designs captured the grimness of the games, Akira Yamaoka's music was still effective in movie-format, and I think Jodelle Ferland was a great Alessa (she has been typecast as "creepy girl" ever since).

[@wareforcoin5780]

And Laurie Holden as Cybil Bennett was really great. I like movie Cybil almost more than game Cybil. Only almost, because game Cybil is so open and honest. She's a huge breath of fresh air in the confusing plot. She's the only character besides Harry in the whole game that doesn't have some kind of shroud around them. Movie Cybil is a strong (literally and figuratively) badass, but game Cybil is strong and reassuring.

[@optiodecimus2690]

The first movie had brilliant behind the scenes parts. Mainstream Hollywood is only just starting to go back to practical effects but the first Silent Hill movie was using real people in costumes way back in 2006 at the height of tacky CGI. Everyone playing the monsters, from Pyramid Head to one of the tiny Asian ladies playing the twisted child demon things seemed to really enjoy their time on the set and the costumes and makeup were just brilliant. Love how the guy playing Pyramid Head is just on stilts the whole time, but it works IMO. All the human characters on the other hand were just kinda "meh" - but my sister and cousin (32 and 33 now) still get freaked out on foggy days after watching it years ago whenever the foghorns are sounded at the nearby river XD

[@Luna-Fox]

The creature design that was just stolen from the games and heavily misused? Right, got it.

[@luckasta6269]

@@Luna-Fox watch ur mouth

[@Edhead.]

@@Luna-Fox stolen? I bet you’d be mad if they made original monsters as well

[@harrisonlee9585]

Of all the movies for Sean Bean to actually survive.

[@renegadedjinn5325]

Blasphemy!!!

[@357Striker]

He died in the secuel tho *spoiler*

[@idavisband]

@@357Striker no he didn't. He stayed in silent hill to find his wife

[@Samm815]

National Treasure?

[@GreenGlo1991]

Bless him. The poor man has died at least... what, 72 times?!

[@twistedsmiles8477]

One could actually argue that the first Silent Hill movie was the best attempt at a video game movie ever. The atmosphere was spot on, the lore was insane, the monsters where pretty accurately depicted, and the theme of finding clues and solving puzzles was in it. I can't think of another video game movie that was that close to it's source material. The second one...not so much. But still watchable.

[@Thegbear]

This, the fps sequence from Doom (along with The Rock’s “Carmac’s condition is irreversible” speech, *chef’s kiss* cinema genius), the music and a few scenes from the first Resident Evil, oh and Sonic wasn’t the worst. Those are, quite frankly, tiny chunks of…not gold, maybe silver? In a sea of utter shit.

[@OpenMawProductions]

The lore was "insane" ? You mean how they completely changed the origin of just about everything? The monsters? You mean how they have absolutely none of their thematic weight or presence? Why is Pyramid Head here? Why are the bubble-headed nurses here? Silent Hill doesn't just make up the same bogeymen for everyone in the town. Those were specific to Silent Hill 2 and had specific meanings within that game. Outside of Silent Hill 2 they are hollowed out fan service. Yeah, visually, musically, and even to a certain extent thematically it's a good try, but some people wax hyperbole to an extreme over this movie.

[@sophiecooper1824]

​@@OpenMawProductionswhat's wrong with some fan service

[@ThatRandomEncounterGuy]

⁠@@sophiecooper1824fanservice is perfectly fine, especially when you can utilize it well. In a good movie, fanservice can be a fun nod and wink to the audience that doesn’t detract too much from the movie but can add some extra bonus for people to do the Once Upon a Time in Hollywood DiCaprio meme. In a bad movie, it’s not only distracting and annoying but it’s a desperate grasping at straws to try and say “See? Look! It’s a thing you recognize! That makes it good”. Or, in as many words, good fanservice is a little extra zing to what’s already there, and bad fanservice is either a substitute for a whole meal or a desperate attempt at covering up the foul aftertaste with last-minute garnishes. Including Pyramid Head to appease fans is just cheap and adds nothing to the story-just like he added NOTHING to Origins, and nothing to Homecoming, and was UTTERLY WORTHLESS in Revelations; at least games like Downpour took the concept and reworked him into a similar role but under a completely new and more flexible identity.

[@VileVisionshaunt]

I think it’s important to note that while the first Silent Hill featured much CGI, most of the creatures were actually practical fx. Creature suits, makeup the whole nine yards. The first armless creature, the janitor, pyramid head and the nurses were all people.

[@DonaldAMisc]

FUN FACT: Sean Bean's character didn't really exist until the studio complained the script didn't have any male characters. So when it feels like Sean Bean's scenes were "tacked on"...it's because they kind of were! Director Christophe Gans explains in an interview here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/j6HQZ2OFpMx3fK8

[@pathetic2399]

It’s kinda weird that the movie didn’t have any male characters originally since the first movie was based off of the game about a father looking for his daughter.

[@amandaflowers95]

@@pathetic2399 They felt like a mother going to these lengths to save her child would be more believable than a dad doing it. I mean...if they let Harry be the main character, problems solved. There are plenty of stories about single mothers, why not a single dad? Sean Bean could have pulled it off nicely.

[@nbr6116]

@@pathetic2399 true that. Although it suits the films theme of motherhood a lot. It would have been so much stronger, if it wouldn't have been for these overly tedious Sean Bean scenes. Or at least if it wouldn't have focused so heavily on them

[@midnightgreengaming3188]

If only the game had a male character that appeared throughout the whole thing.

[@GreenGlo1991]

Amanda Flowers wow that’s not sexist at all. Heaven forbid fathers actually care about their children.

[@orgixvi3]

You... you know that most of the monsters in the first Silent Hill movie are practical effects, right? The Janitor, Pyramidhead, the Bubblehead Nurses, and burned Alessa are all practical effects. Only the bugs and transitions into the Dark World are cgi, which I agree haven't aged well.

[@claewilson8234]

They were practical but had cgi layered over them in a few places. It's a really weird, jarring look.

[@jsc315]

@@claewilson8234 and it looks or far more dated because of it and unnecessarily makes it look cheaper, but this was rather common for horror this era of horror files in the 2000s. This was a dark time for horror movies as so many of them were just lazily developed and produced

[@IvanTheDarkAngel]

Joshua Chap The grey children were the only ones that had any cgi layering done in post

[@SomeRandomJackAss]

@@IvanTheDarkAngel iirc, The Lying Figure had it's legs trimmed down in post, too. And they removed the air tube that allowed the actor to breathe, as well as the tube for the goo.

[@IvanTheDarkAngel]

SomeRandomJackAss Reach harder

[@avaphynx]

I disagree I feel like Rose went from hell and back to getting her daughter.

[@bailey7792]

Ummm literally same lmao. Im like yo... I couldn't even imagine having to be in a place like that. It gave me anxiety to the max watching her go through it, and imagining, what if that was me lol? All I kept thinking was.. im glad it's not me 🤣.

[@CurtyTails]

If the film cut down the runtime and cut all the between stuff with Sean bean besides at the beginning and ending-I would feel it would come across better. There is a fan edit called Silent Hill Restless Dreams which makes the film a nice 90 minutes and makes you feel like it’s a rollarcoaster through hell with no breaks. It cuts some cringe lines-cuts the cold open to keep the mystery of what you are about to experience in tact without even a hint of what’s about to happen-cuts the ending to just them heading home out of the fog with a call to Sean bean. And the film cuts all the shit with Sean bean in the middle that takes us out of the hellish landscape. Besides Sean beans scenes in the middle were only added because the studio felt an essential male character was needed and that the person playing rose couldn’t carry a film on her own-they even state this in behind the scenes.

[@toprak3479]

I also disagree with the idea that we feel for Harry at the end of SH1. Dude was barely human. Plus, SH1 isn't about Harry, it's not his story.

[@ByAzuraByAzuraByAzura]

@@toprak3479 Yeah tbh I feel more for Rose than I do Harry. Ik it’s just because of the time and how games were back then, but.. Harry sounds and feels like a robot lol.

[@rudymilton8858]

Except she is the reason her daughter was put in that mess.

[@tywonellington]

They were totally on the money with the transition scene in the first movie. That siren, the ash, the decay. It's imprinted in my brain years later.

[@jumongmoves6508]

Was the story of the first film really THAT hard to understand?? I understood the gist of it very well and I didn't even play the games. Then you have acclaimed films of david lynch where you need to be a sociologist, psychologist, and psychiatrist all at the same time or something to understand.

[@psychotophatcat]

Same, I had never played the games because at the time I had been too afraid, but for some reason movies didn't bother me as much so I took a chance on this one. I'm pretty sure I understood every part of it just fine without having to know the Deep Lore in the games. Like I got that Pyramidhead was a manifestation of violence and guilt, that the monsters were part of her nightmare, etc. Isn't that kind of the point of making a video game movie? To give the fans an abridged story of the games to enjoy while bringing in new fans without alienating them? If they had gone heavier into the psyches of the characters and the origins of each monster, it would have needed to be a much longer, messier movie. I definitely don't see the whole "ego" thing Ryan talks about when I see behind the scenes footage of everyone who worked on this film. They were all so passionate and dedicated to making it happen. What they wanted to do was give a basic idea of the games so that more people would check them out, not a 1:1 translation, and I think they did a damn good job of it.

[@stalkerbabychild]

It's only difficult to understand if you're trying to connect it to the games instead of watching it at face value imo

[@majinally3527]

not really. the entire story was explained in the flashbacks. the only thing people were probably confused about was why was sean bean even in the movie and the ending

[@madamefluffy4788]

The movie's plot was kinda fucked up. I'm still trying to understand what sane parent thought it would be a great idea to take their clearly traumatized child to a town she has night terrors about - and be seen as the loving parent (while the parent who actually cares about the welfare of the child is seen as a villain because he wants to get medical professionals involved). At least in the game, Sheryl didn't have nightmares about the town - she and Harry were just heading there for a vacation.

[@Bane_Amesta]

Never played the games either, but watched gamelays. I think the story is simple, kinda, but the symbology of the enemies and general themes is the confusing thing, at least in my opinion. I still can't understand why they used Pyramid Head in the movies, when everybody says was a symbology of Harry's personal nightmares, but well, fanservice is more powerful I guess

[@jwnj9716]

The first movie is like Silent Hill Downpour, a step in the right direction, it just needed more. But the second movie?....Nah, ignore it. I would love to see The Room get a film adaption.

[@RC99_Productions]

@L Franco YOU ARE TEARING ME APART, LISA!

[@DJ_Macphisto]

Yeah, he walked right into that one, lol.

[@jwnj9716]

Hi doggy.

[@jacobsmith4428]

If the first movie is Downpour, the second would have to be... the pachinko Silent Hill. Practically the textbook definition of a cash grab video game movie.

[@davidc573]

While The Room was a little lacking in some areas, I loved the story and wished it got more love.

[@andrewjones1143]

The first Silent Hill movie is one of my all time favorite horror movies. It's not exactly the same as the game, but I think it had some beautiful storytelling and arresting visuals. Revelations on the other hand is horrible in every way.

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

The first Silent Hill movie is one of my favorite movies of all time.

[@danskyl7279]

Yes, I like it as well. Screw the second one.

[@bethanybrookes666]

Yes! I liked it too

[@CyberSimsShows]

agreed!

[@RobertEdwinHouse9]

Ok thats a bit overboard The movie is a 6/10 at best

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

@@RobertEdwinHouse9 I said "my favorite" not "the best"

[@angrymommabear665]

"CGI aged badly" lol all these monsters were real professional dancers and there were only few times when the cgi was used

[@bewilderbeastie8899]

I was about to comment this exact thing, lol. Saying it's aged badly when it's actual people in costumes... mate. :'D

[@nelgluhak6709]

i knew some fan would already say this :D bless

[@nelgluhak6709]

also, the creepy movements would usually be done by the dancers walking backwards and things like that, only for the footage to be played in reverse. In that way the jagged, unnatural motions came to be.

[@avatar94100]

I would say MOST of them were real. I still love the first Silent Hill

[@enziovescucci9151]

They layered them with cgi and effects that ruined the practical effects though. THAT'S what didnt age well.

[@mothmantra6289]

Aesthetically, the first movie was enjoyable for me. The second one on the other hand... Aggressive hugging scene. That's all.

[@user-zp4ge3yp2o]

The second one is great if you enjoy riffing bad movies with friends. Pyramid head does save the day, after all.

[@rin-joh8644]

I haven't seen the second movie. SPOILER ALERT (Silent Hill 2 is over twenty years old but it is too good to spoil.) Silent Hill 2 had some aggressive hugging in it as well.

[@goga.games18]

how about upcoming john wick game ? kzbin.info/www/bejne/gWHOfIuLeZesjZY

[@applepower5]

Hmmm did we watch the same movie? I watched it in 2005 and it felt like an emotional rollercoaster. "Mother is God in a child's eyes." That line stuck with me.

[@miriamweller812]

Actually did not like that - especially after genderswapping the protagonist just to give us a sexist line. Why the mothers? Overall young children look up to both their parents, so the focus on mother was pointless and it felt like they made the father a mother just for that. Also: it's not even some kind of universal truth, many parents will tell you that, that they feel more like the opposite, especially when the child isn't a few years old anymore. I get the idea behind it, though the should have followed it in a different, more meaningful way.

[@applepower5]

@@miriamweller812 Sexist? Yeah the mother being the parent who usually overtakes most of the household tasks and parenting duties early on a child's life, is sexist. I agree FULLY with you. Besides pregnancy, breastfeeding, and carrying the newborn and baby for their first months is a huge task, mothers do also household duties and sometimes they have to work after their pregnancy; although in this movie, we are taking about a non-biological mother. Surely the mother figure will all the factors I stated before HAS NO INFLUENCE on how children view their mother 🤣🤣 Both parents carry out their duties but we can't deny that in MOST heternormative households, the attachment a child has to their mother is different than with their father, at least for a few years. For many children, their mother is everything, and for many women, their role as mothers absorbs them so much that their own identities are lost in it.

[@abadenoughdude300]

What stuck with me (and is tbh the only thing I remember from the movie lol) is Alessa going to town on the cult by the end of the movie. Having her get back at them for all the crap they put her through was freaking AWESOME, one of the most cathartic moments ever. They deserved every bit of it.

[@Greybell]

tbh it works a lot in the movie's favor. changing the theme to womanhood/motherhood creates a stronger emotional plot than copying the original game's lore. Sure, it has some flaws (how the nurses and pyramid head are symbolically irrelevant to the plot, though they still look cool regardless), but it definitely feels like a real Silent Hill story and experience.

[@danybey1920]

​​​@@miriamweller812might be wrong but isn't that's from the game? Edit: Yeah that's definitely a line in the game and it's because birth and rebirth are the whole point of the game And mothers are the ones who give birth Even If it isn't it is still a legit quote that is used to explain how important mothers are too thier children in a kinda their whole world. Think in the terms of ancient mother goddesses All the mothers In this movie share a similar role to their game counterparts, with the exception of Alyssa's adoptive mother, They pretty much kick off a lot of the stuff that happens which result the curse. I think having the adopted mother also played a Central role kind of just makes sense As "Mother is the name of God in the eyes of every child "(OG quote) kinda being the tag line. Even bad Alyssa is , in a convoluted supernatural way the mother of good Alyssa. Changing one character's gender to fit into a motive that's running throughout a narrative has absolutely nothing to do with the with the woke Hollywood. Disclaimer I am in full support of inclusivity of race, sexuality and gender but Hollywood's idea of being inclusive is just bad, uncaring, and all about making money you can tell when it's just performatives and behind the scene just didn't truly care Which always results in hamfisted misinformed bad representation for all involved.

[@dantedecastrolichi2987]

>”the game’s story is simple” >proceeds to explain the story all wrong Dropped Did you even play it?

[@futurestoryteller]

To be fair not even Twin Perfect gets it right, what with their BS hairsplitting about the dark world

[@ItsButterBean1020]

It’s annoying how you have people say it’s simple but they actually miss the whole point

[@antoinettemosley312]

Exactly

[@DarthLobitou]

I mean, the guy (Ryan) says the film is "noticeably green screen" when the facts of the production are there, be it on the DVD features or even online, yet he calls it "pretentious" without having an ounce of the understanding of (let alone love for) the franchise the director put into this adaptation. KZbinrs criticizing stuff I like, I can handle and openly celebrate the exchange of ideas. KZbinrs who don't even do their research or at least get their facts straight tearing apart something, even if I don't personally enjoy that something, is the definition of what's wrong with literary/film/game criticism in the first place.

[@CurtyTails]

@@DarthLobitou so much this. Hell James A Janisse did research for Final destination 4 even though he hated it because he wanted to know why the effects were shit and found out they used the same techniques that looked so good in the second film-he literally asks what the hell happened here? It’s the same thing here but he didn’t bother to do research into how the effects were done which aren’t that hard to find. But yeah your sentiment-I 100 percent agree with. I don’t mind people having their personal issues but when they say shit about particular aspects of a production or say there is a plot hole when there isn’t one-it deserves to be called out cause it wrongly puts objective flaws onto something where it doesn’t belong.

[@number1connieconversefan]

The first one is great. The second one is bad. Edit: I think the first movie works as both a stand-alone horror movie and as a loose adaptation of the first game. The second one just feels unnecessary and doesn’t really have that same love of the franchise that was apparent in the first movie.

[@littlejam5984]

First is completely OK to be not bad . But the second one was unnecessary imo

[@inthedeadhours]

Great? No. The imagery is ok but the acting is awful and they entirely missed the point.

[@alj6194]

I agree. Havent played the game and I dont care if it supposedly “missed the point” (whatever the hell that means), but as a horror movie it works great. It has an engaging story, great atmosphere and good acting.

[@inthedeadhours]

@@alj6194 As in the writer and the director had little to no understanding of the lore or what made the games scary while claiming to be fans. Is that simple enough or should I try again via a audio file full of grunts and garbled jabber?

[@alj6194]

@@inthedeadhours You are already just grunting and jabbling. Was there any doubt about it? However, as I said, I don't give two fucks about the games, haven't played them, I'm judging it as a movie, and as a horror/fantasy movie it's pretty awesome.

[@ShiggityOnTheRocks]

The town wasn't green screened in, it's actually my town and they used newspaper for the ash in the air and it blew all over for weeks

[@caoilfhionndunbar]

the town was real, the actors just weren't physically there. they green screened them in the give an ethereal look, which didn't end up working to great

[@ZigZag-mw9ir]

Same with the nurses, they are real but they have been green screened. It’s often done due to a lack of faith in practical effects. Marvel is very bad for this and it results in money not being well spent.

[@ShiggityOnTheRocks]

@@caoilfhionndunbar Well someone was there acting up a storm

[@0la_N0rdman]

Must be a bit cool tho, to know you grew up in silent hill ;) Always thought of visiting the town as i liked the passion i saw in the movie, and have respect for them trying to scare people trough atmosphere, rather than silly jump scares.

[@IvanTheDarkAngel]

ZigZag2000 The nurses were shot on a set... there’s behind the scenes footage... wish yall would just stop making stuff up

[@Wraiven22]

The second is "probably" a worse film? Dude. The second makes the first look like a masterpiece.

[@andrewkrylov1501]

How?

[@toprak3479]

@@andrewkrylov1501 With how much of a hot pile of trash it is, obviously

[@justinbellotti7838]

Idk, i truly enjoyed the first one. I adored details like, when Alyssa irl was walking on a ledge around a huge pit bellow them and the angle showed huge depth like the game through camera angles. Same with the chasm in the road. Other nuances for me where the pyramidhead tries to get into the elevator and stabs into it reminiscent of the rape, spilling the bugs into the car like sperm. It was things like these that at the time i had not seen delved that deeply into with especially a video game movie. Its still at the top of my list as far as video game adaptations go.

[@elijahsturges5239]

Hey its alessa unles it correct you on there, this is the plushie home and there are two of us me and eli. Im a girl my brother is a boy eli. My name is alessa i was named from that movie. My brother made the plushie home up.

[@OhVicanne]

Except Pyramid Head shouldn't be in this, or any monster from SH2 for that matter

[@alwaysxnever]

Bruh I almost disagreed with everything you said about the first Silent Hill film except that the janitor scene was the best example of the unsettling nature of the games.

[@DioBrando-mr5xs]

Ryan's had a few bad takes lately.

[@amberwolf5371]

Usually I agree or at least understand where he is coming from but I think this is the first time I have just whole heartedly disagreed with his take on a horror film.

[@IvanTheDarkAngel]

He’s a pretentious dweeb who rarely has any clue what he’s talking about

[@reljaaleksic8437]

Literally no one is disagreeing in this thread and it just shows that he goofed

[@Soooooooooooonicable]

I strongly disagree about the first film. I thought it was a very unique experience.

[@KnightoftheLord1]

I agree with you, the first one was awesome, the second was terrible, but still watchable and kind of likeable. :)

[@johnspencer7838]

I loved the first one. Saw it in theaters and was scared shitless when the air raid sirens went off.

[@Serefth]

Agree. There was effort put into the first one for sure and it is a good movie.

[@phoebe4871]

@Maegnil Dianians how so? The plot was basically the same as the first game though with a few changes.

[@Aster_Risk]

I absolutely loved Silent Hill when it came out, and I still do. It has so much effort put into it. I own the DVD and watched the behind the scenes multiple times, so I know quite a bit about it. I actually think you're too harsh in this review. Sometimes it feels like you want to dislike things. I'm a huge pessimist, so it takes a lot for me to say that.

[@blankieplays1350]

Thats how reviewers are they can be harsh sometimes

[@CurtyTails]

Yet again he admitted to not already liking Scary Stories to tell in the dark due to the hype train surrounding it. He needs to stick to obscure stuff much like Yourmoviesucks

[@zukiezuke]

As someone that really likes the first Silent Hill movie quite a bit, I have to say I am bothered by a few of the critiques that I have for it. For instance, I think it kind of sucks to be cursed with the knowledge of the rationale behind switching out Harry Mason for a Mom. Apparently someone felt a dad searching for their daughter was too feminine and had the character replaced. Ultimately the demographic of the parent doesn't matter all that much, and I'm fine with the decision, it's just distracting to be privy to the rationale and feels bad. Another thing that I don't particularly care for is the needless insertion of Pyramid Head. As someone that likes Silent Hill 2 quite a bit, it's very difficult for me to look at a character that has a lot of meaning and intent within their original context appearing out of place. He looked great though. Obviously it's not a problem for everyone, and I'm not saying the people that aren't bothered by it are wrong, but for me, it's very difficult to not be distracted by his appearance in the movie. Reflexively, I try to figure out if there is meaning in his appearance, or at the very least why the hell he's here. I don't think he really added anything thematically, and I sincerely doubt that there was a purpose in his appearance. Whether or not my guess that his appearance was a studio mandate is correct, I was very distracted by the things the movie was doing on purpose and I found that to be a detriment to my viewing. I still love this movie, but from my perspective it's riddled with flaws that seemed very easy to avoid and that were distracting to me. Again, I don't think people that aren't bothered by things in the movie are watching it wrong or anything lol. It's totally fine for a thing that is enjoyable to not be perfect. In fact, it's inevitable, nothing is perfect. Good things are every bit as worth criticizing as bad things are, if not more so. And while there's no accounting for taste, at the very least I agree with you that Ryan might have been a little harsh.

[@dungeonsanddobbers2683]

@@zukiezuke From what I understand of the production, the replacement of Harry with Rose was a decision made by Christophe Gans, as he wanted to tell a more "feminist" version of the story, or something along those lines. The feminist intent definitely becomes a lot more noticeable when you remember that the _only_ reason Sean Bean is in the movie is because the studio sent an angry note that "there are no men in this movie", that's why the Sean Bean subplot is so, noticeably jarring. As for the monsters and Pyramid Head, yeah, as a fan it's pretty jarring when you see them and know the specific psychological reasons why those creatures existed in that particular game, but at the same time, Silent Hill 2 was the one with the more iconic monsters, so I can understand why they'd draw on those designs over the skinned dogs and gargoyles from the first game. It's still one of, if not _the_ , best cinematic adaptation of a video game, and the things that are mostly bringing it down definitely appear to have been things the studio demanded be put in the movie.

[@coolranchlauritos]

phew, these comments are giving me the validation i needed! i love the first movie and just recently showed it to my boyfriend who had never seen it. i was still blown away by how creepy the atmosphere and monsters were. it was also just straight up hardcore!! the burning scenes were gnarly! and i still felt dread after hearing the siren the first time. what a great movie!!!

[@Yoshemo1]

The first movie had too much CGI? Every single monster except the bugs were actors in costumes using practical effects. I don't think you did your research on the first movie dude.

[@ReneAensland]

Agreed. There was a whole behind the scenes dedicated to the makeup and costume team.

[@gusenkadiev4482]

If there's one thing they've done right. Comparing nurses from second movie to nurses for the first one, they look really pathetic. My guess is they didn't have budget to hire professionals who actually can stand still.

[@craig1287]

Obviously that's not what he's referring to. He's talking about the CGI environments.

[@jordann8653]

This was one of my biggest issues with the first movie. They had a pretty amazing practical effects team and the monster actors put a ton of work in and a lot of that work did get CG’d over. Like with the babies they got a tiny actor in this super detailed suit and then they were like “Nvm cover it all up with fire and shit”

[@need222gofats6]

He literally said that over a clip of a group of cgi monsters burning...

[@MattGolden]

I normally love your examinations of these horror works, but this is the first time I feel like we saw completely different films. I didn't care for the first Silent Hill upon its initial release, but rewatching it on Scream Factory's new Blu-Ray was eye-opening. It's a deftly respectful adaptation from filmmakers working at a high level of craft, oozing with dread and atmosphere (and Dan Laustsen's cinematography is phenomenal). But while it's certainly not flawless, that first film is a very strong, mostly successful attempt at wrestling a notoriously difficult properly into a different medium. And while I'm a big fan of her SOLOMON KANE, I cannot say MJ Bassett's REVELATION is good; it's so aggressively bad I couldn't even get all the way through it.

[@Luna-Fox]

Doesn’t make it good though, just stick to the first 4 games, they do a much better job than the first movie ever could.

[@Luna-Fox]

@Hung Low It's a revelation for some people

[@stevefrench198]

The first silent hill movie, has been one of my favorite movies since it came out... the second movie was absolutely terrible

[@vksasdgaming9472]

First one was surprisingly solid horror. Second had a problem in way-too-fast pacing.

[@icantthinkofaname1009]

Ever since the Netflix Castlevania series premiered I’ve desperately wanted Konami to strike a deal with them or HBO to produce a Silent Hill anthology series. Let different writers and directors do their own take on it with different characters.

[@ghostbearlabs]

Honestly, this is the way to do it. Silent Hill *really* feels like it's supposed to be a chronicle of different people's personalized encounters with the town, and that's good horror anthology material.

[@j-money2295]

ghostbearlabs Yep, good idea

[@tily5939]

@@ghostbearlabs omg an anthology is exactly what it needs!

[@ghostbearlabs]

Well, follow-up question I guess. What'd be your dream team for writers and directors on that sort of project? Personally I'd love to see either Jennifer Kent, Mike Flanagan, or Jordan Peele take a shot at an actual licensed Silent Hill thing, since they're all so close to its themes already. But I'm curious which names automatically snap into other people's heads.

[@TheHalloweenSpirit]

There are rumors about Sony to produce new Silent Hill projects

[@Puda]

I disagree with you when you say that Rose doesn't seem that interested in finding her daughter vs Harry in the game. As a mom, I actually thought that Radha Mitchell was extremely convincing at doing anything possible to get her daughter back. The whole Sean Bean's plot was terrible though and totally missed the point. But Sharon and Rose's relationship was extremely powerful imo. I really felt for Rose the entire time, I was trying to imagine myself wanting to save my daughter from this nightmare. I even remember talking to my sister about it and she was always asking me if I would have the guts to do what Rose was doing in order to save her from Silent Hill. I said "yep, 100%. I would do the exact same thing". Mind you, my sister was 12 yo when we watched the movie together :D but the whole Rose/Sharon story really moved her just like me. I don't want to imply that it resonates more with women but... who knows ha! PS: I am obviously not going to talk about SH2. Nope. Just Nope. Carrie Ann Moss. O.M.G.

[@silvermoons7539]

I agree. Also it's Harry. James is the second game's protagonist

[@Puda]

Silver Moons whoops! Harry duh!!!

[@toprak3479]

James? lol "I got a letter... it's from my daughter... short, black hair... She would've turned 7 a few months ago had she not died because of that illness." Meanwhile... "Have you seen my wife? Short, blonde hair, just died last week..."

[@unclemilton5726]

Ehh. I can see where it comes from, but I still personaly think that the movie would've been better if it was Harry mason. I don't think anything will ever be able to top Harry's constant "Have you seen a little girl?" Edit: I definitely see the bond. I just personally think I liked it better with Harry mason. And I think the fact they thought a mom searching for her daughter was more believable than a dad searching for his daughter is BS.

[@psylocker1017]

I am not a parent but I agree with you. Their relationship was amazing!

[@PainCausingSamurai]

Silent Hill 3's Heather is one of my favorite videogame protagonist and it is a crime that THIS is her film adaptation

[@andrewkrylov1501]

The movie is a better than the game.

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

@@andrewkrylov1501 lol NOT even close. You can't even compare them AT ALL as the movie is a joke and the game is actually great!

[@andrewkrylov1501]

@@Gadget-Walkmen NO

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

@@andrewkrylov1501 YES! What you’re saying is just massively wrong.

[@andrewkrylov1501]

@@Gadget-Walkmen you are just a simp for Heather. I am gay therefore more objective for this case.

[@butcanyoudothis3320]

Let me start off with, I love Ryan's content. Just, this ain't it chief. I don't think you did your full research of the first film. If anything, Silent Hill (Film), reignited the Silent Hill series and has made a permanent place in being called a cult classic. The majority of the film was created with practical effects, and the bleak feeling throughout the feeling, is purposeful, not accidental. Rose and Sharon were never suppose to make it out alive, and were doomed from the start, ergo that no matter how hard Rose fights against it, it won't make a difference, she's only concerned with having her daughter, never noticing that she was already gone. Revelation though .. Oof. Big oof.

[@blankieplays1350]

Still isn't a good movie

[@phoebe4871]

@@blankieplays1350 it’s better than most people give it credit for.

[@blankieplays1350]

@@phoebe4871 fair enough

[@burnwitch1293]

@@blankieplays1350 youre right its a great movie

[@kylebear8101]

It’s alright if you look at it as it’s own movie. But it’s a shallow representation of the games. Maybe I’m too much of a fanboy...

[@icantthinkofaname1009]

I mean the sequel killed the movie series, but at least the games are still going strong, right? Haha right? *HIT THE LEVER*

[@nbr6116]

#fuckonami

[@Everan614]

Well, Christophe Gans confirmed on a French website he's working on a reboot after completing Fatal Frame's adaptation, so it's coming back.

[@SpoopySquid]

Konami is Konami and Konami is the worst

[@monkaWGiga]

@@Everan614 Oh god why a Fatal Frame adaptation?

[@fredbyoutubing]

What do you think of The Medium ? It's not a Silent Hill game, but it doesn't hide it's inspiration from the series. Especially by hiring the music composer they had and probably telling him "can you make it sound more Silent Hill ?"

[@teaguek7444]

Behind the mask: the rise of leslie vernon!!

[@adrianabbott7282]

yes! this!

[@Regmuslima]

YES!

[@Blacktull89]

Yoooooo!! I agree. A fantastic movie!

[@ShadowLycan132]

Showed that to my wife recently. She was blown away

[@JewishMemeMan]

Teague K That is a fantastic movie.

[@ShaneyElderberry]

Silent Hill was filmed in Canada by a French director, who had had one of the few copies of Silent Hill in France. He did his best to adapt a game he enjoyed playing, while appeasing the French studio's requirements. The fact that so many people believe the film was made in the United States by a normal Hollywood studio shows how deep the immersion goes. It's also quite amusing that you have been critical in an unbalanced way about the CGI environments in the film, while praising the extremely crude animations of the games.

[@randallflagg3700]

What do you mean, the director had one of the few copies of Silent Hill in France? The game was a big success in Europe, all the French video game magazines gave it great scores and it sold well over here. Bought it right when it came out, I still remember the crazy hype... It had a full French translation via text, unlike Resident Evil 1 for example, which didn't even bother to translate it in French to release in on the PSX and Saturn.

[@ShaneyElderberry]

@@randallflagg3700 In the Shout Factory release, the supplemental features include different interviews about the film production, cinematography, and additional artworks related to the film. In that material, it mentioned that the PS1 game was released in extremely low numbers in France. Less than 600 copies for a population of 60 million in 1999.

[@randallflagg3700]

@@ShaneyElderberry - Damn, in one of the big French video games magazines (Joypad, or Console+ maybe) they wrote something about the game winning some kind of "Gold" award for its great sales in Europe, I mean, Silent Hill was even re-released in *Platinum* edition, which was a great initiative reserved for games that sold more than 400 000 copies and had been out for more than 6 months... I'll look it up and come back to this post, but 600 copies? When it came out I wasn't even living in France, but in a French colony, New-Caledonia... and just in Nouméa I knew several other teenagers who had bought it, attracted by the "like Resident Evil, but not really" survival-horror theme, and excellent critics everywhere. That would be weird as hell, I'll look it up; but thanks fror the heads up.

[@ShaneyElderberry]

@@randallflagg3700 Yes, my point is that in 1999, Gans bought one of the earliest copies of the game. Subsequent re-releases were offered later, of course. Gans attempted to make the film for five years, before the rights were finally approved by Konami.

[@kylebear8101]

The games looked amazing for their times. They still look pretty great. Also it’s kinda bad that he played the game but still thought that Harry should be a woman;;;

[@soul6299]

Oh, man. I think this is the first time I’ve disagreed with one of your takes 😂 the first Silent Hill movie is one of my favorite horror movies of all time for the deliciously creepy ambience, music, and overall concepts. I love the games as well, and I felt like the first movie was, all things considered, a pretty good adaptation of the story. The second movie was incredibly cheesy and disappointing to me as a fan of both the games and of the first film. Just my 2 cents 👍

[@nelgluhak6709]

The parts with the husband were forced into the movie by the studio, though. It wasn't in the original script. The studio, however, felt that it lacked male characters. Which is... yeah. Dumb.

[@nbr6116]

I know right? Especially since the movie put so much emphasis on motherhood and the likes. It would have worked beautifully without these Sean Bean scenes and a different ending

[@IWasaTeenageTeenWolf]

Forcing motherhood into the story ended up destroying the message the game had. The fact that the movie creators felt a father could never love or care about his child like a mother could ( and how all male figures are rapists apparently) is freaking ridiculous.

[@elimidd6626]

@@IWasaTeenageTeenWolf part of the reason motherhood was so prominent in the movie was to compare Alessa's relationship with her abusive, religious zealot willing to sacrifice her child in an awful way mother to Sharon's mom, who braved silent hill to save her daughter, and also helped Alessa get her revenge in the process. The movie wasnt saying "men cant be good parents" it was saying "look at the huge difference between these two mothers, one risked her life to save her child and bring another peace while the other wanted to sacrifice her child by burning her to death" It is an *adaptation* of silent hill, it doesnt have to copy the story beat for beat.

[@Glitchy1988]

@@IWasaTeenageTeenWolf Yeah, Harry Mason MADE silent hill 1, did you ever notice that silent hill 1 is the only(to my knowledge) silent hill game that the enemies running around the town weren't created by the negative attributes of it's protagonist?

[@a_lethe_ion]

@@Glitchy1988 well, 3 and 4 too. 4. are Walters monsters

[@861020]

The Fact that Sean Bean doesn't die in this movie. Tells you everythingg you need to know.

[@user-zd2kl9yg4v]

He dies two times in second movie, but in a dreams.

[@Nicholas_Chen_]

It's a good movie. Tho he didn't die either in Jupiter Ascending, that's another story

[@reng935]

That's totally why it was not received so well. People wanted to see Sean Bean die, and they did not get it.

[@murphysanders9878]

Lol maybe he demanded that his character stay alive this one time

[@marcusdayungg2110]

This review of Silent Hill feels pretentious and looks like you’re just nitpicking at the first one.

[@christianblair8663]

I gotta agree... Lately he has become too pretentious and ultra ''analytical'' about things that in the end do not give true substance. Kinda like Lars Von Trier. Wink wink.

[@antra21]

I thought I was crazy for feeling that way after watching a handful of his reviews lately.

[@ElectronicPleasure]

I'd agree, he really was nit picking. However will back him in one way... Doom the film sucked, Witcher series sucks, I'm not looking forward to STALKER the film (cause i love the games). Why? Cause none of them stick to the game lore... It seems our host for this review really was a fan of Silent Hill the game before the movie arrived and has that "It's not the game" mind set. I can understand that.

[@ElectronicPleasure]

I don't play TES:online! Why? Cause the have to appeal to the masses and destroy the lore already created in order to appeal to the mass market because the need a return on their investment. SH the film is the same.

[@Lareni]

@@ElectronicPleasure I am a long time fan of the games but i can still appreciate what the movies were going for even though neither turned out so great. When making a video game movie you are very likely to be damned if you do/damned if you don't. For example, the first movie tried to stay true to the source material while including alot of new ideas which made it more messy than it needed to be.

[@NikolaTheodore]

not at all superficial, this film has a strong emotional core. above everything it's a story about parents and children, and in particular - motherhood, and the bond between a mother and her child. this is also why witchcraft is such a powerful element in the story, as being accused of witchcraft has over the centuries been a useful way to silence/dispense with "inconvenient women." the crux of the film that makes all the elements come together is the love the main character has for her daughter. the events of the plot pit both the cult and the fantastical elements of the story against the goals of the main character, and can also be seen as a test of how far she'd go to maintain the wellbeing of her daughter.

[@zulman8146]

9:00 Well you're being unjust with the amazing production of this movie, as all the creatures we see are 100% actors in costumes and practical effects, down to the black liquid the Armless man spits at Cybil. There was very few CGI added, you showed the Grey Children but it's basically it for the monsters. And as for the town, everything was created on a set, there was no green screen either. I feel like we should be grateful for all the work the production team invested in that movie, and the actors who sometimes had to go through hours and hours of make-up and had to wear very hot and uncomfortable costumes they couldn't take off to take a WC break.

[@coldstuff9784]

I wonder how this guy can do a review on this movie with all these assumptions and not know any of these facts? The crew also consisted of top-tier set and monster designers. Shame that people dismiss all of this because the story wasn't a 1:1 adaptation.

[@coldstuff9784]

@ULGROTHA Yeah, the movie still looks amazing to me!

[@SomeRandomJackAss]

The reason that one shot looked green-screened was because the fog was added in post, too. The town was real, but they added fog later because how are you going to get dense fog in outdoor shots? Technically, you can argue that the so-called "out of place CGI that hasn't aged well" adds a bit to the visual style. The point of Silent Hill is to make you feel uncomfortable, and apparently for movie-goers and critics something looking fake makes them uncomfortable. Part of the horror is confronting something "unreal," like the mannequin monsters and people who look exactly like people you know.

[@blakecarson6555]

I can't figure it out. I went back to look at the movie tonight. Because I saw everyone mentioning it was practical, not cgi. But no matter how hard I'm looking it still looks cgi, even though it is mostly practical. I wonder what it is that makes it look like that, when they had such great vfx artists.

[@pastichiorocker]

@@coldstuff9784 Because he's talking out of his ass most of the time. He wants a direct replica of the game put to film and - based on his arguments to criticize it - seems to have very little understanding of how Silent Hill came to be. Talking about bad cgi when most of the stuff are done with real actors, practical effects and camera trickery. You can't have a live action adaptation of Silent Hill without Pyramid Head in it.

[@SafieLiverpool]

Completely separated from the game, I really like the first movie, partially because I’ve seen the behind-the-scenes. I find it hard to be mad at something where it feels like people were excited to work on it, especially the effects department. I also find it hilarious that the Sean Bean and the police subplot is purely added in, because the studio realized that none of the main players were women.

[@liyahharris2081]

I agree, the first movie wasn't a masterpiece but definitely better than the second one, also the third games main player was a woman

[@alexlynn5111]

The a abandoned mining town is a reference to Centrilia, Pensylvania. Which is a town where a on old mine caught fire back in the 60s and is still burning and shrouds the town in noxious gas. Supposedly it was an aesthetic inspiration for the look of Silent Hill.

[@glowiedetector]

the creator of pyramid head has already said on twitter that it was *not* the inspiration and merely a coincidence.

[@TinPrince]

The whole part of it being "schloky" was almost definitely intentional. It plays into the aspect of the uncanny through stiff dialogue and movements.

[@Raptorworld22]

The "Snow being ash" wasn't a liberty taken by the Movie, Silent Hill as a town was based off "Centralia", an American town that was built on a coal mine that caught fire some time in the 60s, filling the town with fog and snow-like ash. Theres an hour-long documentary on it available to watch on youtube.

[@rickydo6572]

If i'm correct, the film's version of the town was inspired by Centralia, not the game The fog in the was inspired by "The Mist" and the fact that the PS1 couldn't render the city all at once, so they had to hide the draw distance behind the fog. A lot of ps1 games use fog effects to hide the draw distance, but Silent Hill did it best The movie even mentions a fire in the city, just like Centralia's fire, while the games make no mention of this.

[@Raptorworld22]

@@rickydo6572 Ahh, I always heard that the games were based on the town, but being based on "The Mist" makes more sense with all the horrible creatures and such. Thanks for the correction.

[@merchantfan]

Yeah I was about to say the same when he said that the town being a former coal mining town where the mine caught on fire was a "standard horror movie trope". It's probably one of the better parts of the adaptation since usually you couldn't go "oh an abandoned town eternally burning and covered in smoke, we've got one of those in the States!". Centralia is a really creepy place- not that you should go there even if you could find your way (they took its name off the maps and the highway sign). You'd fall into a sink hole. www.vg247.com/2020/03/19/real-silent-hill-centralia/ Check out this article to see some pictures including "Silent Hill PA" graffiti

[@futurestoryteller]

Disinformation is scary. I know in some ways this is meaningless trivia, but look how many people upvoted this before the guy accepted the correction.

[@merchantfan]

@@futurestoryteller I mean I'd put this more in the "video game urban legends" than disinformation. It's certainly worth mentioning that it was based on a specific place in America for the movie

[@cinemaskull9886]

0:50 “pretentious” that’s hilariously ironic

[@bennichol1510]

Wait when he said pretentious why did he use the first scene with james and then the scene with Angela holding the knife I thought they were solid scene in the game proving that the quieter moments of the game are stronger in their own right and were more frightening then any scene with the monster those are good as well but I was more invested in why James is in silent hill in the first place and when u find our your like "oh shit"

[@JorgeGomez-hx5uu]

Yeah. “Pretentious”.

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

@@JorgeGomez-hx5uu it’s not. Hate that word.

[@JorgeGomez-hx5uu]

@@Gadget-Walkmen okay

[@MadMagicianGaming]

"I'm not the most seasoned veteran of silent hill lore" Dude, you knew that the original Silent Hill had snow and not ash, that's much more than most Silent Hill fans

[@andu1854]

The scenes with Sean Bean searching was the studios request...

[@renegadedjinn5325]

Get this it was cause the "lack of a male lead"...yeah not like Silent Hill had any male leads. Also the reason the director made the lead a woman was cause in the first game Harry "acted like a woman" while searching for his daughter. Like a father wouldn't have that love for his daughter. Harry going through hell to get his daughter back was a great character traits of him and him being protective of Sybil and Lisa, yeah that's a man's nature, we protect those we care about.

[@j-money2295]

Silver Spade That’s ridiculous, I’d like to have a little talk with the Director

[@jessip8654]

Good gosh there were some sexist and stupid decisions made in that movie. Cut Rose, make Sean Bean Harry Mason and have him search the town with Cybil. There, a solid male-female duo with some minor romantic tension that hits Hollywood's quotas and streamlines the cast. Why was this so hard for them to grasp?

[@endel12]

David Anderson I want a Director’s cut with most of the Sean Bean scenes removed

[@pathetic2399]

@@renegadedjinn5325 The sexism was going both ways with the creative team.

[@Argacyan]

The first film was what got me interested in Silent Hill

[@tobiasschumacher8602]

The first Silent Hill movie is a real gem. It's in my top ten favourite horror movies list since I saw it for the first time. Oh boy, I remember sitting in the theatre and nearly shitting my pants.

[@Himark89]

the first movie is a masterpiece, noone has managed to adapt horror video game better.

[@mrflipperinvader7922]

9:55 Only in Hollywood could producers complain about there being "no males" in a story and shoehorning in some stuff that subtracts half of the goodness from the film, thats why Sean beans whole half is in this film Also zero punctuation said it best when silent hill didn't mess with human cult shit and just focused on the natural horror on the town like silent Hill 2

[@Mafon2]

But Silent Hill IS cult shit.

[@coldstuff9784]

@@Mafon2 SH2 had nothing to do with the cult and it's considered the best Silent Hill game. And I agree with zero punctuation.

[@Mafon2]

@@coldstuff9784 Well, SH2 is a black swan of the original quadrilogy. And even it has it's ties with the cult.

[@coldstuff9784]

@@Mafon2 It wasn't about the cult, is the thing. I also love how you call it a quadrilogy because I also agree with that. :)

[@Mafon2]

@@coldstuff9784 Peace.

[@bilguungantumur4305]

You need to talk about Akira Yamaoka's music. Once in a while I listen to Silent Hill 2 OST to calm my nerves.

[@jamesoclaire4512]

The “real world” scenes with the husband could’ve been more effective in reinforcing the disconnect and hopelessness of rose et al. if they included the majority of them earlier on for building atmosphere, then looped back around to the husband near the end.

[@KyeEnzoden]

You know, I agree. After the crash they could have cut back to Sean Bean and ran most of his segments, 10, 15 min? With short clips of Rose walking by or being chased like the Perfume scene. Then back to her for most if the movie with clips of Bean just like her with the conclusion at the end.

[@LegendaryLegbean]

The first one is good . The second one is disowned by the community.

[@gloomy9100]

^

[@MrPicunYT]

Exactly

[@RevolutionaryLoser]

I honestly thought the first one was absolute garbage that missed the core appeal of the games. The second was a huge improvement and had some great casting.

[@Sauceyjames]

The first movie was ok, but I never knew there was a second one. Is it bad that I thought the first Restident Evil movie was better than Silent Hill?

[@dennisblake3707]

Both of them are Shit, and neither did justice to the franchise. 🤮👎

[@BugsyFoga]

I find it somewhat hard to believe that Sean Bean plays character who died later in the games only to not die in the films .

[@ItsButterBean1020]

And Sean is known for dying in films too

[@mint5438]

My god that intro music sends me back to times of being young and terrified as a kid. I once had a nightmare that I woke up as normal, but my entire home was in silent hill, literally in the middle of the street. Like, the ground around the house had lifted and floated into silent hill while I slept. And I swear to god that music played in the dream. I heard it and will never forget it. god this series is so good. A shame that Silent Hills was cancelled.

[@toprem4037]

Liking SHR over SH? That's a big ol' yikes from me, dawg. SH is still one of the best video game movies out there.

[@sonicbelmont300]

Admittedly, I'm not a huge fan of the games but I've always loved the first movie and now defend it vehemently after watching GoodBadFlicks's video on it.

[@crozraven]

whoah ... 8:45 "too clean"?? you did not just say that man. SH4 The Room is more fooked up & disturbing than 3 imo, some other sequels also featured a more conflicted characters. I am totally disagree with you on this. I get that you have some knowledge about movies, but it's pretty clear the games aren't your strong suit or complete lack of researches in this case. Also, The first movie is not CGI-fest, literally most of the monsters are practical effects & costumes. The clear CGIs are pretty much the town's hellish transformations.

[@aluna1234]

I think he meant the movie is to clean for SH standards dude...

[@crozraven]

@@aluna1234 yes, & he proceed to talk about the games being the same after the third one. Like I said, I didn't dispute his remarks on the movies btw.

[@futurestoryteller]

SH4 made me laugh. Monsters looked like they were from Castlevania or something, not Silent Hill

[@coldstuff9784]

@@futurestoryteller The burping ones made me shake my head. The wheelchairs assaulting me also just made me laugh out loud. But legit parts of the game still haunt me to today.

[@kittenkaterinaxoxo9986]

I don’t care what anyone says I loved the silent hill movie! The first one at least...

[@MrPmcMcMental]

The first movie was probably the best game movie ever made, not perfect in any way but the best I can mind

[@BIacklce]

Mortal Kombat is but Silent Hill is a close second

[@toprak3479]

Not a high bar you're setting there but I agree

[@paulgibbon5991]

I think DOA deserves an honourable mention. You can really tell that the creators really studied the source material and put in a lot of effort to capture the core appeal of the games. 😀

[@basilschuman7159]

"Once you get past the mannequin spider," Will I though? *Will I?*

[@obnoxiousnesli]

I disagree with you on this. I watched Silent Hill before playing the games, so I went in without any expectations. It might not be "the game" but it's amazing as a movie. The not straight forward storytelling is exactly what I like about it, and the subtle suspense in the "cleanliness" is intriguing IMO. But yeah fuck the second one tho, that was garbage lmao

[@moryahdemott4905]

I have never disagreed with one of your reviews more. The first Silent Hill remains on of the most beautiful and well done horror movies in my opinion. I have family who played the game, and still love the movie.

[@faerieknight2298]

I'll be honest, I like both of the movies. Silent Hill, especially the first 3 or 4 games, don't translate well to film. Much of the horror and suspense in the games comes from the pacing and hearing monsters around you, but not knowing where they are. The movies I thought did a good job of taking the themes of Silent Hill and trying to form a passive experience.

[@fatcat1399]

I saw the first movie in college and it was my intro the series in general. Made a friend who had the second game let me play some of it during a party. Very different experiences but both times I got sucked in by the atmosphere and the music. The third game is my favs because I love sassy Heather and I adore the soundtrack. I’m scared to see Revelations 😭💀

[@micklefox]

This is definitely the one and only time I’ve watched one of your reviews and was baffled in response to how you felt concerning both films. I won’t even say I disagree with your opinions, but it just REALLY surprised me.

[@Zgibby14]

It’s funny how pyramid head was originally James’ monster but turned to Alessa’s guardian.

[@thedanieldrew6695]

Facts

[@Haybalesnail]

The first one was really good, the second one was... barely even a movie :/

[@glittersoop]

i agree. honestly, as someone going into watching the first one without ANY knowledge of the game or any of the history, the first one did something weird to me. hard to explain, like it changed me somehow.

[@Haybalesnail]

@@glittersoop the first time I heard of it, i didnt even realize it was based off a game

[@harrisaziz1028]

I think the first was brilliant, the soundtracks were very eery and reminded me of the game.

[@DrGregoryHouseIT]

The soundtracks were FROM the game.

[@harrisaziz1028]

Gregory House oh really? I assumed they were slightly different

[@itsyaboyj0j0]

Don't quote me on this. I believe the soundtrack was composed at least in part by the same person (Akira yamaoko?), but the soundtrack itself isn't the same.

[@coldstuff9784]

@@DrGregoryHouseIT I believe it had to be altered for the movie (by someone credited as the music editor?). Might have been for legal reasons, I don't know, they do have some game tracks credited.

[@Autz64]

Because they used the music from the game itself, mostly from Silent Hill 2, instead of doing something inferior themselves. The same goes for monster design.

[@kisushiteonegai]

"Mannequin spider which I think is legimitely scary" ... what did you say about the first movie's effects aging badly? That thing looked gimmicky and dumb the moment it was put on screen and it only made me laugh. I heavily disagree on some parts, regarding the first movie, but you did nail the revelation nicely, except for the spider. Edit: ohh have to check out jacob's ladder then!

[@princessadrigirl6774]

100% agree. Called the first movies effects bad even though they’re practical, but compliments the CGI nightmare in #2? I am legitimately baffled

[@nunyabiznes33]

I don't think it's scary but I think it's cool.

[@otakunoesko496]

I disagree. The first movie was a freaking masterpiece, a dark odyssey :D

[@ScreamingAllTheTime]

I will always love the first Silent Hill movie, but I’ve got big nostalgia goggles for it, since I was like 5 when I first watched it. It does have its flaws but I don’t think it’s a bad as a lot of critics say. The character performers also deserve major props for their performance.

[@projp9057]

No, just the second one

[@xChikyx]

exactly, the second one is awful :/

[@monkaWGiga]

Agreed. The first is a pretty decent spin on SH1 even with my issues with it (also the odd inclusion of adding the Sean Bean scenes because there apparently wasn't enough male led scenes to execs). Rev goes nuts on retconning the first film to be more in line with the game while also ignoring a bunch of SH3, like vincent being a totally different character. Also Revelations has a pop tart jump scare so minus points for that off the bat.

[@ContingencyPlan100]

Agreed. While I'm not in the camp of fandom for the first film, it's very well made and genuinely creepy at times. Revelations was written during a frat party and filmed during the proceeding hangover.

[@TheSCPStudio]

Why do people not like the second one? Are you too much of a sheep to form your own opinions?

[@ContingencyPlan100]

@@TheSCPStudio Bruh, the final battle is a mildly peeved hug on flaming carousel.

[@michaelgirodat1062]

I personally really enjoy the first Silent Hill movie. The amount of time and love that went into that movie is wonderful and they did a great job. Plus, I love the monologue that Dark Alessa gives near the end.

[@Ozmaniacify]

I loved the first movie. Not perfect, but really good. The second one though, was terrible.

[@theechothief5594]

The first Silent Hill is actually a gorgeous film. it has some issues narratively, but the film is rich in atmosphere and characters you care about. There's a very iconic, stylish look to it. Whenever we meet the motorcycle cop, she looks like a video game character in that she appears almost like an archetype of a female cop. It's hard to describe. Maybe it's because the bike appeared so clean and so did her clothes. it's very surreal looking throughout the film.

[@LouRaccoon]

One of my biggest fears is having to confront my own personal Silent Hill

[@arbiter-]

This isn't really related to the video but I always forget how good Silent Hill 3 looked for the hardware. Like it still blows my mind that came out on PS2.

[@gmmg8734]

I think a Silent Hill 2 adaptation would translate really well in an A24 Ari Aster styled film. Really art house, bleak, and touching on Freudian themes of confronting ones own pain through catharsis.

[@deepwebbarbie]

silent hill is unapologetically my favorite horror movie and horror guilty pleasure (aside from 13 ghosts and the bride of chucky). this was the first movie that got me in to horror, which has lead to my unwavering admiration for the genre. this movie was also the first ever horror movie I watched with my father and started the tradition of “Saturday night horrors”.

[@BeakerInShortShorts]

I was a young mom when I first saw the first movie and I struggle with mental health and this is the scariest movie I’ve ever seen.

[@ashisreallytired9006]

When you said the lady's name is Claudia Wolf I was so confused as to why you were making a monster high reference

[@fluggert5261]

This was my favorite film as a kid and I understood the story perfectly even though I hadn't played any of the games.

[@residentevilinsider6580]

I consider the original SH to be my all time favourite game, and when it comes to game-made movies, I’m not that forgiving. But the movie adaptation of SH is one of my all time favourite films. I loved the call backs to the original games, and the classic tale told from a different angle. I also really liked the emphasis on the church and its followers. I know the movie gets a lot of flack, but it’s probably the best game movie I’ve seen.

[@MorrisseyMuse]

In my opinion, the first film is the best game to film adaptation there's ever been and is a good film on its own merit too. The sequel however completely missed everything that makes the games scary and unique and is just a mess that is truly "that bad". :)

[@Neocoolzero]

Exactly what I think, everytime videogames to film adaptations comes into discussion, I always bring this one up, it's just soo good.

[@RubexQewb]

Same out of all the video game adapted movies. I think this is the best but I also have a few other favorites as well Silent Hill Mortal Kombat ( most of it cuz of the nostalgia but I watched it the other day and I still love the 90s cheesy lines and the fight scenes are still dope especially Lui Kang vs Reptile) Rampage ( I though the monsters looked dope and I actually cared about George and the final fight was dope) Resident Evil ( I thought the first one was good especially the soundtrack. Watched it the other day and still enjoyed it, the other ones though....yeah, not so much)

[@MorrisseyMuse]

@@Neocoolzero yeah! The games are obviously better, but the first film still captured the first game like no other video game adaptation ever has. The fog and other world, the tense atmosphere, some of the key monsters replicated well like Pyramid Head, similar characters and plot but changed for film in ways that I didn't actually find annoying. The sequel felt more like the later game sequels: more action and less scares, Pyramid Head being there for a silly reason which makes no sense in Silent Hill lore, etc..

[@gortimustidditus]

Agreed :)

[@andu1854]

First one I loved and thought it was a good movie, the game creators gave The director their blessing... honestly if they had cut out The scenes with Sean Bean during the movie would be the only change I would make

[@futurestoryteller]

And Miyamoto said he thought maybe the Mario Bros. movie was too much like the games - so what? I don't even think that's true. The development team doesn't give their blessing, the distributor does, and that's the infamous pachinko party that is Konami.

[@cmindovina]

The fact that they made Vincent a LOVE INTEREST still makes me incredibly angry.

[@shannong1133]

yeah the character changes are the only things that kind of irk me about the movie adaptations... another big one for me being how dahlia was the antagonist and abusive mother of alessa in the games but they portrayed her as a victim in the movie??

[@cmindovina]

shannon g BIG TIME! I like the woman who played christabella could have done perfectly as dahlia if they put the characters where they should have been... AND sean bean as harry mason in the first place would have been perfect! Why not portray a man as a good father looking for his daughter? I have too many opinions haha

[@thedanieldrew6695]

@@cmindovina I know right

[@dreamshell.121]

I guess I should count myself lucky that I watched these movies without ever having played the games.

[@hammedburger9861]

Imo the games are also very good, they’re worth checking out if you liked the movie’s story

[@dreamshell.121]

@@hammedburger9861 Oh I definitely intend to cause I love what I've heard about them. Mainly the psychological horror aspect. At this point tho, I think the most viable option for me is emulating them lol

[@Sky-tg5rt]

I grew up watching my older brother (now 37) play the games. I am 33 but back than I was a scared 😱 but intrigued 10 year old. Than again we also watched all the chuckie movies, and the Blaire witch project. The second Blaire witch book of shadows (yes I know tech not a sequel)scared the shit out of us because at the end of the vhs it said to "play it backwards " and it would reveal clues. AND IT DID! Be kind, rewind lol...and than crap yourself lmao. Piont is, regardless of how qell done may view sonthing...most of the time we have nostalgic memories with things and for us it was SH ! ♡♡♡

[@Kwak444]

The same way we don’t need a “House of Leaves” movie. It’s best experienced in literary form.

[@denniswijker7162]

I don't even think that's really an option :P HOW in the hell are you going to juggle several characters, that exsist inside other characters's stories, and THAT set around a house with a cave like insides. The only way you could ever do that is just focussing on Navi and skipping ALL the rest of the book ? no Zampano, no Johnny, just the Navi tapes. It's filmable (and could potentially even be a decent movie) but it has no real depth compared to the book.

[@Kwak444]

Dennis Wijker yeah, exactly. Not to mention the little clues and patterns throughout the pages.

[@TallicaMan1986]

That is an impossible thing to adapt and I guess you are very apt in saying so. It's a very Interactive Book like Silent Hill is a pretty Interactive Game. The Nuance is something that cannot be argued over or watered down or altered. Another piece of unadaptable literature is the Berserk Manga. Even if House of Leaves was 14 an hour episodes long. It just wouldnt be anything like the book.

[@elleofmusic]

The aesthetics and way they incorporated more of the irl inspirations for the town of silent hill and did their own thing with the story of the first movie gets my respect, even though it got wonky with the cult aspects. As its own SH-inspired film, I quite like it. As a gateway drug for the early game franchise, it works very well indeed. And I must agree with you on the second movie. It's terrible but amusing enough that I couldn't hate it. As stupid as PH showing up and kicking ass before walking back off was honestly golden. I laughed so hard.

[@diojiwoolf]

The best part about Revelations was the amazing Halloween Horror Nights house they had to promote it at Universal Orlando. It felt like a LARP of the game…just with a beer equipped in my hand not a weapon!

[@aidanscorner847]

Silent Hill 2 aged really really well.

[@TurntechGallows]

Excited for this video! Silent Hill was one of the franchises that got me interested in horror.