🧙 Are the White Walkers gone for good? | Game of Thrones

The seasons of Westeros have been swinging wildly for thousands of years, With the Night King dead at the end of Game of Thrones season 8, has Westeros seen the last of the endless winter of the Long Night? And what about the rest of the seasons? Will they all go back to normal under the reign of King Bran?
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[@darkstar1650]

Can't believe HBO canceled the Blood Moon titled series. I would of liked to see the origin of the White Walker's and the first long Night and the story we think we know

[@JoeMagician]

Me too, I'm making a video about that. It's a bummer that we won't get it but I understand why.

[@redsands2064]

It's because D&D ruined it.. WHy would we want to watch a story that ultimately whimpers in the end? No offense but, D&D is to blame, all that build up for nothing

[@Rumkitty2000]

@@JoeMagician Personally I didn't think that there was enough information for it, unless George was going to tell the show producers information he hasn't written yet. Information that isn't in the books.

[@RandyDanger]

I like it to remain ambiguous, more mysterious and impactful for me that way.

[@TheGirugamesh1000]

Would of?

[@smashdogg1241]

Everything you're saying is exactly why season 8 should have been all about the white walkers leading up to the battle of winterfell.

[@JuanRios-kh8sq]

My explanation for the long summers and winters would be something like: summer and winter actually have a different meaning in Westeros. They aren't tracking annual seasons but rather more long term and more subtle changes in climate over time. Evidenced by the fact that there are still cold seasons and hot seasons and wet season and dry seasons within a given "winter" or "summer".

[@joshcoughx]

OMG I'm so glad you are back!

[@JoeMagician]

I'll be doing a lot more :)

[@joshcoughx]

@@JoeMagician I've really been looking forward to that man! Hope you are doing well.

[@jeffgustafson4552]

His return was prophesied. It is known.

[@alanpennie8013]

A convincing theory. GRRM really needs to finish the series soon, before fans figure everything out.

[@JoeMagician]

I guarantee he's got more tricks up his sleeve. I wouldn't worry about it :)

[@CMAzeriah]

The farther East you go, the worse the land becomes. YITI has 5 massive forts facing East. I wonder what exactly could those forts be guarding against. Then there is Ashai and the shadow lands. It seems whatever event triggered the collapse of the Empire of the dawn is what caused the scaring of the far East and maybe the seasons.

[@ireneparrish3070]

That would make a great series.

[@gerardjagroo]

Amazing production I loved it. Bran is my favorite character in the books and I don't know why show watchers hate him so much. I did not expect him to be made king but was glad in the end when he was.

[@Nava9380]

Why, he did nothing in the show.

[@TheTam0613]

Joe, I mentioned in another video how much I'm loving watching your videos, some that I've already listened to, and some of them for the first time. I'm very appreciative for the hard work and dedication you put into your incredibly brilliant thoughts. Thank you 💙

[@JoeMagician]

That's great to hear, exactly what I make them for!

[@reiyya9377]

I've heard theories that Melisandre comes from Hardhome, but from a time long ago. Taking that into account, maybe her power grows at the Wall because she is closer to her homeland?

[@akeelbrown7675]

Shes from asshai...

[@reiyya9377]

@@akeelbrown7675 ACKSHUALLY.... She's a slave from who knows where.

[@extraplain2412]

What no? Her enhanced power comes from the fact that the Wall has magic embedded into it. Why would her being from Hardhome make a difference to anything and why would her being closer to where she was born make her powers stronger? 🙄

[@HisameArtwork]

@@akeelbrown7675 considering race has some meaning in Planetos, she's clearly a northern westerosian if her hair is truly red, or from the freehold anyway. 400 years old makes her a possible valerian slave... but still first man, andal at most.

[@Ash.Crow.Goddess]

@@extraplain2412 People are obviously not paying attention.

[@UDLTUBE]

Question: what exactly was the doom, if Valyrians had the volcanoes under control? and weren't the Valyrians and Targaryens 'fire-proof?'

[@JoeMagician]

It's claimed by the Faceless Men they caused it, and combining with the Septon Barth quote it appears the Fire Mages who controlled the volcanoes were all assassinated at once causing them to explode in a chain reaction.

[@UDLTUBE]

@@JoeMagician Faceless Men caused the doom? and killed the Fire Mages? Wow really ?

[@JoeMagician]

The Kindly Man claims they did while talking to Arya, yup! Whether they did it for free as revenge for being former slaves or if they were paid is up for grabs.

[@alanpennie8013]

@@JoeMagician As is whether they actually did it or are just bigging themselves up since no one is really in a position to contradict them.

[@brandondavis7777]

No one of Valyrian descent is "fireproof", Daenarys' emerging from a pyre was a magical event.

[@vanessaamesty6739]

What do you think about the ghost grass covering the dothraki sea and the shadowlands not having daylight and a toxic atmosphere? are those also different degrees of climate change by magic?

[@JoeMagician]

Definitely, the ever exploding volcano north of Asshai which pollutes the Ash River seems to be a parallel to the doom of Valyria. Nature manipulation gone wrong, hubris by magic users that thought they had conquered the forces of nature. The Ghost Grass in particular reminds me a lot of Sauron/Morgoth where their influence would turn everything into twisted versions of themselves, even plant life. Ghost grass has that same kind of feel. Also Lovecraft in his story the Colour out of space, very similar things happened when the corruption got into the soil. Plants became poisonous warped forms of themselves.

[@vanessaamesty6739]

@@JoeMagician Yeah that does makes sense. I remember also Amanda had a theory that it used to be a real sea in the dothraki sea, I think Martin is really focusing on nature, weather and geotectonic changes. The arm of Dorne that broke, the droughts.... etc

[@JoeMagician]

That's a great one from Amanda. I've also wondered if there was a massive lake in the middle of Westeros that has dried up. It looks like the Trident used to connected with it too. Maybe the top of a long dormant volcano. There's also the desertification of the land around Qarth and the dead cities in the Red Wastes. They've experienced major climate change, and recently.

[@Rumkitty2000]

@@JoeMagician I'm confused. I would have thought the lake was in Essos in what is now the Dothraki Sea of Grass. What area in Westeris are you saying a climate change occured, leading to a lake drying up?

[@JoeMagician]

@@Rumkitty2000 Someowhere around the God's Eye lake. Maybe some large lake that used to sit where the Trident and Blackwater rivers flow now.

[@WarriorGirl_113]

Happy to see another vid from you!!! And naturally AmAzing as always! Thanks ♡♡♡

[@JoeMagician]

And many more to come

[@anneclough5771]

What a powerful theory! Thank you

[@JoeMagician]

You're very welcome

[@Shutupdede]

so happy you’re back!

[@JoeMagician]

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[@Mr._B-rian]

This is a great video Joe!

[@JoeMagician]

Thank you!

[@iceleaf2]

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[@JoeMagician]

Wow, thank you!

[@heliopolitan444]

I looooooooove your content on magic in ASOIAF, the whisperjewel video is my favorite and this is me second favorite. Keep it up it's addictive 😆

[@sophiawilson8696]

Everything happen in cycles in the first place so maybe other 20,000 years in the future when the signs for long winter again.

[@Axechucker]

Excellent content as always.

[@JoeMagician]

:D Thank you!

[@Ries]

Still here my friends giving likes and barely commenting. And mostly missing live streams, because of the time difference. Loved the subject. Almost wrote a paper here about the possibilities of the irregular seasons or writing a small novel about the NK/White Walkers (Can't help still being a NK fanboy, still hate how they screwed that up... 😅). 👍

[@luaotgottgksao3182]

The white walkers were screwed over they deserved better its the part of season 8 that annoyed me the most I hope we get white walker deleted scenes

[@Ries]

@@luaotgottgksao3182 Totally agree. Darn.. the first scene was about the white walkers. What did they do after 9 years? The not so long night, lasting a few hours... 😒

[@niccoarcadia4179]

Theoretically a long night would kill off all the foliage. There'd be nothing but frozen tundra and dead trees. The sun has to return each season to renew the forest and produce oxygen and grasses for the animals and grain for the people.

[@JoeMagician]

Yeah, every several year winter would cause mass extinctions. Just gotta play along with GRRM that there's enough left over after these seasons for life to keep going. Like he said in the quote I used, "it's fantasy man, it's magic".

[@niccoarcadia4179]

But without that magic it would be a dull Westeros.

[@JoeMagician]

Agreed! Needs a little spice

[@alanpennie8013]

@@JoeMagician Has GRRM committed himself to saying the long winters affect other parts of Westeros than The North?

[@lorenscipioni743]

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[@JoeMagician]

Glad to be back!

[@fabioartoscassone9305]

9:19 bein Martin a roleplayer with GURPS rules, it look like a variation of "mana" 😂😂😂

[@ignitetheinferno1858]

What if similar to dragon populace being tied to the strength of magic, maybe the population of the Others is tied to the length of the seasons. So the summers are their length as the population decreases through death while the winters at dictated by the growth of the Others population via births or their version of it.

[@JoeMagician]

I had trouble with that anecdote, because the longest summer on record happened after the death of the last dragon. That could be also happening, the white walkers' existence is definitely tied to the whole system being unbalanced.

[@marybenitez4612]

I stayed away from everything books or GOT related after that terrible season 8 but Joe’s videos are special. Keep them coming!!

[@jjvoity7797]

I wasn't disappointed in season eight because I gave up on the show long ago and to me Season Eight was more of the same and no worse than 5,6, or 7. I'll happily give credit to the acting, costumes, sets, and CGI. To me it's all expensive fan fiction. Anyway, the trick is trying to wheedle out what's true to George's vision and what's nonsense. We've all seen HBO blatantly ignore George's writing and re-do it with their own story enough to know that they don't care about telling George's story but do whatever it is that they want to do. I do believe George shared vital info with D&D and the explanation of two roads to one conclusion we've been told rings true. What that includes though, I don't know. The pattern is: if they liked George's story, they'e use it and if they don't they're more than willing to toss and replace it. Joe, here knows a lot more than I do and has frequently pointed out things that make me rethink things, but he has always been much more willing to take HBO's version of revealed truths far more seriously than I do.

[@maxmanly3122]

wait wait wait, is this book series just avatar the last airbender with even more genocide?

[@UDLTUBE]

Made me wonder about how Viserys died, crown of gold; why wasn't he fire-proof like Dany? was he NOT full Targaryen?

[@JoeMagician]

The fireproof thing for Dany is not a common Targaryen trait, it's something the show exaggerated. They have died in fires before, whether dragonfire or wildfire. It's more like a miracle. For instance, Jon Snow burns his hand fighting off a wight. And Dany does experience burns from Drogo's pyre and has all her hair burnt off. It's more correct to say they have high heat tolerances than other people rather than are fireproof.

[@sophiawilson8696]

Targaryens can burn and die from fire also. Dany survive the fire because it was MAGIC MOMENTS!!!!!! in riding dragon in first time she receive burns back of her legs.

[@justincurll1110]

The seasons of the show had inconsistent length too.😝

[@JoeMagician]

Oh you

[@HisameArtwork]

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[@fabioartoscassone9305]

Fantasy explanation for Instable Weather:IMHO, like in the world of Warhammer RPG, probably at the pole there's something or someone or both make weather so...

[@Louey_]

Winter came and it lasted about a week

[@cityofmagic4370]

Is there a chance Aemond one eyes blue jewel could have a magical spell cast on it?

[@JoeMagician]

That's a fun idea, maybe!

[@ireneparrish3070]

Hammer of water= tsunami. Erratic seasons= erratic global tilt

[@CJusticeHappen21]

If we consider the White Walkers to be more alike to an alien race, then Winter is their form of terraforming. The reason they hate men is because men took away their Queen, their monarch and means of reproduction. The peace that they had was maintained with regular male sacrifices, which allowed them to maintain their numbers but not give them control of their own reproduction. They want their Queen back, or at least her descendant, her replacement. Sansa.

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[@jeffgustafson4552]

Matt the Gathering is back!

[@JoeMagician]

I even used magic the gathering art in the video, on brand

[@Ash.Crow.Goddess]

It's all very serious chaos magic. Or Chaos Theory. Look at Joel Osteen, he believed he could get rich, and he did. Lmao.

[@pembomassive1394]

Persephone has to stay in the underworld for 6 months not 3

[@adamwarlock8263]

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[@sophiawilson8696]

The babies that turn 3 years ago are they adult men? Or shatter like the glass?.

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