Are these bad units salvageable? Fire Emblem Awakening Tier List Review Part 2

Tharja is apparently overrated, but did you hear about Berserker Henry? Or would you like to know why Stahl is significantly better than Sully? And why are can Donnel have problems not just earlygame, but also lategame?
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Timestamps:
0:00 Clarification
1:35 Intro
2:18 Gregor
7:42 Tiki
14:38 Flavia
19:26 Basilio
22:23 Lissa
32:07 Libra
37:20 Miriel
41:35 Sully
43:48 Stahl
46:48 Why No Kids?
47:32 Say'ri
51:15 Henry
54:00 Maribelle
58:48 Ricken
1:02:10 Virion
1:05:16 Donnel
1:10:00 Break
1:13:26 Lon'qu
1:17:00 Gaius
1:21:19 Nowi
1:25:30 Tharja
1:29:50 Olivia

[@Zoran501]

Aw, I thought Barbarian!Henry x Cherche was secret tech known only to me

[@asmontosborne3111]

You know Zoran, if you don't keep your Awakening strats to yourself, we might start wanting Awakening content.

[@JovanaSanchez000]

I think I've done that too when I wanted to use Gerome.

[@jaredkutney7075]

Awakening playthrough when?

[@armourslayer8942]

Oh thank you for doing timestamps this time Mekkah! Just to make sure I'll copy them here for mobile users: 0:00 Clarification 1:35 Intro 2:18 Gregor 7:42 Tiki 14:38 Flavia 19:26 Basilio 22:23 Lissa 32:07 Libra 37:20 Miriel 41:35 Sully 43:48 Stahl 46:48 Why No Kids? 47:32 Say'ri 51:15 Henry 54:00 Maribelle 58:48 Ricken 1:02:10 Virion 1:05:16 Donnel 1:10:00 Break 1:13:26 Lon'qu 1:17:00 Gaius 1:21:19 Nowi 1:25:30 Tharja 1:29:50 Olivia Again, thank you so much, I was kinda busy today so this was a relief^^ And I hope that whoever is reading this has a great day!^^

[@lucassilvateixeira3730]

Holy crap, dude. You are always so fast to post these timestamps. How can you be so fast? Your 45% speed growth really is working overtime.

[@armourslayer8942]

@@lucassilvateixeira3730 this time they were already posted, I just copied them here so people would have access to them on mobile^^

[@Mekkkah]

good guy Armorslayer sees timestamps in desc still copypastes them into comments

[@armourslayer8942]

@@Mekkkah I just do stuff to help the most amount of people, sometimes people don't check the description of a video (I'm guilty of that too) so just to make sure everyone has access to them^^

[@sweatyfreddy7151]

Armorslayer is a chad, he does this for literally every upload

[@kuroittv5015]

One thing I noticed didn't get mentioned about Lissa: since she tends to get around healing a lot, she'll usually have C or B supports with a wide spread of early characters. While she's still in the Cleric line, this allows her to provide a significant Res bump for anyone who might need it.

[@maximeminassian6002]

Personally I think Henry and Maribelle should be a tier higher than Ricken and Virion, since I feel like they generally work better than those two and I’d qualify them as mediocre/situational units not downright bad.

[@jimjimson6208]

I have never used Henry in a lunatic run, whereas virion is at least quite useful to me in the early chapters so I think it is fair

[@MetalGearRaxis]

One time I had a Lissa who didn't proc her magic growth for the entire length of my playthrough up until chapter 5, so she couldn't Rescue Maribelle and Ricken due to lack of range.

[@ungulatemanalpha]

If you do find yourself in this very dire strait, a Robin or Miriel pair up can give her the edge she needs.

[@markyohancerafael8980]

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[@gameboyn64]

I'm honestly shocked that in comparing libra to anna that her move+1 wasn't brought up at all. A less important factor is that her pair up compared to libra's gives speed and move instead of attack, luck, and res which can be more useful in a pinch or for a unit that's partner hasn't been recruited yet.

[@RubyChiang]

I've had mixed feelings with Dancing in Awakening, to the point that I one time Second Sealed Olivia into a Peg Knight and Paired her up with Lon'qu. I've never known any other Speed Demons in my life. Inigo always turns out amazing to that extent.

[@Golbleen]

Casey: "I would move Gregor up a tier" THATS RIGHT, GREGOR IS ON JOB #gregorsweep

[@carpediem6841]

I feel like there are a few problems with this video. 1st - I feel like you forgot availability existed. There's no way Basilio, Flavia, and Tiki should be put that high. Basilio and Flavia literally only exist for 4 maps and aren't even that good in those maps. It just screams to me that I watched a 0% growths playthrough and have decided that it's representative of normal gameplay for some reason. 2nd - There are some bizarre double standards. Vaike is arguably the best long-term combat in the game outside of Robin, and yet he ended up below Nowi, Lucina, Tiki, and Flavia, who not only have basically no non-combat utility but are just worse than him at combat. The discussion on Gregor, Lon'qu, Sully, and Stahl mainly focused on their pair-up utility which makes Kellams position significantly lower than them unfair, as I think Casey really underrated his strength/defense bonuses. 3rd - There are parts of the video that just straight up aren't correct. I don't know if Casey just made a mistake, but Lissa takes less time to get into Falcoknight as Maribelle because she can go straight from Sage or War Cleric. No need to reclass to troubadour. As well, the part about Donnel's caps holding him back are as far as I can tell is not true until postgame. He has enough stats to easily kill lategame generics and can kill Grima with a forged Brave Bow at capped stats in Warrior on Lunatic mode. Maybe things are different in Lunatic + but quite frankly I doubt it. This seems more of a Postgame problem extrapolated backwards to Lunatic. On a separate note with regards to Donnel I also disagree with the statement that he's not the best choice for the second seal. I don't think he's worth training to that point, but if you already have there's no way he's not the best choice for that seal. His personal stats are actually good so getting him out of villager instantly gives him a ton of stats and hero is the only class he really needs since sol makes him invincible. Finally - I don't think Casey was really the right choice of person to bring on to discuss this list. Don't get me wrong, they do know a lot about the game, but their focus on lunatic + creates massive problems on a hard mode tier list. The difference between Hard and Lunatic is about as big a gap as 3H Hard and Maddening, and Lunatic + is probably twice that gap. Considering the changes that lunatic + makes it's quite frankly incomparable to even Lunatic, much less Hard, and it means that Casey is not only in some ways going in blind, but also has to work against biases from a much different game mode. I think the list would be better if you had instead gotten someone with more of a focus on Lunatic, since despite the massive changes in stats it's much closer in spirit.

[@Hiiyapow]

I agree with your first three points, but I think that your final point about Casey doesn't really make sense. Casey is ridiculously good at the game. Like, the gap in skill between your average player and the tippy top L+ players is just astronomical. I consider myself a very good player at awakening but watching people like Casey play is literally like watching witchcraft- it's on another level. As much as I don't agree with all of Casey's ratings, that isn't a good argument to say that they shouldn't have been on. I'd much rather have a player that actually plays and cares about the game than a self-proclaimed "expert" who has like 30 hours in the game and has only played lunatic+ 2 times or something (not naming names but if you go onto KZbin you can find exactly the kind of person I'm talking about). Yeah, there have been some ratings that I would consider to be big misses (Vaike, Sumia, Lissa, Nowi, Maribelle, Kellam), but that doesn't mean that there hasn't been a massive amount of useful info provided in all the other aspects of the video. At least this way each character gets an actual deeper look into them. And also, Casey's ratings that miss aren't bad because of lunatic+ warping their perception. They're (in my opinion) misses both in and out of lunatic+. There is no difficulty mode where you can make an argument for NowI>Vaike because literally every argument that would make Nowi good can be applied to Vaike to make him better. That's not the fault of lunatic+. That's the fault of just... bad arguments. Just a few notes on Donnel. 1) His caps can sort of matter. Notably againt Grima. 49 Strength is actually quite a frustrating amount to be capped at, as with a max forged brave bow, strength tonic and rally strength, he will still only have 72 attack. It's not too difficult to find a Str pair that can get him to the 79 attack he needs to 8 shot grima (79-53=26, 26/2=13, 13*8=104), but getting him a pairup that also grants him enough speed to overcome his low speed cap of 39 can be tricky. 2) While the second seal makes him a lot stronger, you still have to justify second sealing him in the first place. Sure, Donnel might go from a 1 to a 5 with the second seal, but that still won't make him better than units jumping from 5 to 7 or 6 to 8 and such.

[@sohn7767]

I think you’re overrating Donnel’s stats after reclassing. Assuming the second seal from ch8 is used, Merc!Donnel’s stats are really just average: L10 Lonqu with his better sword rank is faster and has about as much mt as donnel with a bronze sword. Of course donnel is bulkier. L10 Gregor has better ranks; deals more damage; however has -3spd and -2def on Donnel. On the upside, using him in the following chapters makes him break the stat curve for a while. Once he promotes to hero and obtains sol, he is a great juggernaut for a couple chapters, but slowly becomes merely aggressively fine later. EDIT: aggressively fine juggernaut

[@supergoodadvice853]

@@sohn7767 Donnel's high luck, and natural access to Mercenary are what really drives him to being such a powerful unit. With a Lissa pair up, he'll be able to almost indefinitely use any weapon, even before getting to Valm. And thanks to the way levels work with growth rates, he has a small chance to level a few of his skills by 2 per level.

[@720pchannel]

This is a personal tier list. Do your own instead of being an annoying trihard

[@RubyChiang]

Finally! Justice for Stahl!!! I love Stahl, one of my favourite unit and character in Awakening. I once had a Speed screwed Stahl on his 50% Speed growth, his Defense really saves him.

[@vz3_]

lol literally just started playing this game the other day and went deep. good to see folks are still making content for and playing this amazing game.

[@Slimjim8345]

So something that is really interesting about Tiki's paralogue is that the ai is very strange. If you go for the wall strategy, you can do it even if you have frail units deployed. The enemy will attack the allies that are in their range, and closest to Tiki. So if you make a V formation, it will actually be useful to pull your tankier units closer in on the edges of your wall. The enemies will attack them over your weaker units. I have only played on hard mode as a disclaimer, so I don't know if this works on Lunatic or Lunatic+

[@asmontosborne3111]

That description managed to trigger both my Normal mode save and my Lunatic save simultaneously.

[@elfuego8179]

I'm recently started a hard run on this game and i can say that levelling up the other shepherds is a time consuming task they get 1 shot or 2 shot since enemies have steel weapons so i definitely need to hand hold them with robin and chrom, only problem is my robin and chrom are over levelled where they too can one shot enemies. Im at a point where virion and sully are usable though while vaike and miriel are just about reaching that point (i'm at chapter 10) at this point im thinking of only doing a robin, chrom, frederick and lucina clear while im just checking out the other pairings of other characters xd

[@Katie-hb8iq]

I am replaying Awakening now, and I find that there is a big gap between A and B+ units. B- units are really frustrating to use and Panne just never really got going for me in the same way the A units did. Lucina joins at level 10 when I had way too many units with 22-25 in each key stats by that time, in their promotion class (even with a second seal in some cases). Nothing in B+ was worth using compared to how my units grew up until that point. I wasn't grinding either. It's almost like the game really pushes you to use Chrom, Robin, Sumia, Cordelia, Tharja as the main combat units with Anna and Libra as support and then use the rest of the units as pair-up bots. I think everyone else is either too tedious or an out-right liability. Even Olivia is kind of garbage due to the ambush spawns. Unless you have them memorized, you might as well bench her too.

[@ronken9856]

Loved the clarification bit.

[@rubadub15]

I feel Muriel is just a tad too high, she should probably be top of B-. Feels like most of her strengths come from pair up bonus, rather than her strength as a unit. Speaking of which she has mediocre base stats, which hinder her usage. I guess she’s the best early magic user out side of Robin, that much is true

[@Hiiyapow]

In case anyone is curious, the 0% luna+ run that Casey mentions about 10 mins in was on Topaz's channel done by an anonymous user, but IIRC it was taken down as the original author requested it.

[@sohn7767]

Can confirm this is what happened. Sad reality

[@FereldenKrogan]

Can you start rating dlc characters? I don't mind if it's at the end kinda like a bonus,but when you have someone experienced at the game like your quests it would be nice to hear their opinion on the most characters as possible. Dlc classes only too,I made my Donnel a dread fighter and he got super good.

[@kirbymastah]

Casey is pretty cool and is like, the biggest awakening nerd I've seen - every time I see them in my stream their message is almost always "yep I'm thinking of starting another lunatic+ playthrough". Mad respect

[@Arkholt2]

50:58 was that an invisible Kellam joke

[@gameboyn64]

Tharja should be high b+ at the lowest. First of all, alot of her problems are mitigated by good pair ups with lon'qu for better spd and luck or gaius for better skill. The first two stat booster given to you in the game are a secret book and a goddess icon which she obviously makes the best use of over other characters. With the two boosters and a c support with gaius (obtainable with just 2 rounds of combat) she will have 119 hit at base when in hex range. She will typically run at around 85-95 hit at point blank which is honestly about the same for most of your non heavy investment characters or Frederick at that point in the game. Something that is basically ignored is that tharja is relatively low maintenance compared to your other units because she doesn't need a second seal at all and can still perform ok without promoting. Until your reach the ch16 armory you get one second seal in ch8 and another second seal in ch12. There are master seals in ch8, 10, and 11 but those are also highly coveted. If she was truly plug in and go at base she would probably be a+ tier as a character that at base will not die and clear out hoards of enemies in one turn would be utterly and completely broken.

[@StupidityNotIncluded]

I have a hard time understanding why there are 2 tier ranks between Lonqu' and Gaius. The way I see it, they're very similar: There's only one chapter difference in their joining time: Lonqu' at the end of chapter 4. Gaius during chapter 6. They start as fast sword-locked foot units with minor differences between their bases and their growth rates. They both give a speed boost as pair-ups. Myrmidon grants more speed(+4) than Thief (+2) but the latter gives a +1 move on top of that. Their class access is near identical: Myrmidon, Thief, Axe user (Wyvern Rider/Fighter) Their main difference is their weapon ranks but I find it doesn't set them apart all that much. While Lonqu' can use Steel Swords, Killing Edges, and Levin Swords the moment he joins, Gaius's lower weapon rank can be remedied with forges, and he can wield effective weaponry like Armorslayers and Wyrmslayers at base.

[@lazykatie42069]

are the units from the spotpass paralogues gonna be tiered? they join late but by doing a given one's spotpass paralogue first u can kinda maximize their availability so idk maybe there's some value in this for some of them

[@Mekkkah]

I didn't plan on it (and I already recorded all 3 episodes) but maybe at some point in the future. Spotpass is this weird island of Awakening that I feel like doesn't fit in with the rest.

[@kuroittv5015]

They'd likely all rank very low, anyway. Regardless of the order that they're done in, the game is basically over. They also suffer heavily from having no supports outside of Robin (putting a damper on pair-up bonuses; and heavily limiting their Dual Strike rate). Apotheosis with grinding allowed is probably the only place where they might have any notable value (and even then, that lack of supports is probably getting them stuck staff/rally/Mire botting).

[@lazykatie42069]

true Priam at least starts with really good stats tho

[@yes1667]

Fates conquest unit review with zoran when

[@monotone8299]

Child units outside of Morgan, Kjelle, Severa, Yarne, Laurent and Lucina run into the severe problem of not being accessible early. Of those child units, Severa and Yarne have very difficult paralogues on Lunatic making them difficult to recruit or use without absurd cheese/hand-holding. (Inigo is at the edge of viability, having his paralogue unlock right after landing on Valm. His paralogue is also very easily cheesable. However Olivia entering relatively late at a very low level with low stats works against him. Barring a Chrom pairing, Olivia likely won't be married when you hit the port. And she won't pass a skill worth inheriting unless you spend time to grind exp outside of Dancer). Even though the Children have high "potential" they enter into the fray as a level 10 squishy with low stats. They need to be babied. Only children who you can pick up before or during the early Valm Arc can meaningfully contribute as a frontline unit. Once enemy armies become entirely promoted, the ship has sailed, their chance is done. If you like flexible pairups (rather than stapling two units the whole game), swapping partners, splitting, or only having your main 1-2 rangers paired up for enemy phase, having a wide support pool is valuable. Children typically only support their parents and other children.

[@engiopdf8745]

Child unit paralogues connect to each other even across the ocean so all of them can be reached immediately. If you're maximizing the number of child units available, which you should because they're a byproduct of the broken pairup system, that's not a problem.

[@monotone8299]

@@engiopdf8745 You're realistically not unlocking all the child units without extensive grinding. You won't get enough support points. If you allow for time to grind for stats/support units then the only thing that matters are unit caps and class selection.

[@magicball3201]

I think Nah and Yarne do get a special mention as their base class goes to 30 and has promoted stat caps. If you recruit them later on, such as post-Valm, they are extremely unlikely to cap anything when you consider they get 1/3 their parents stats. How much use that is, debatable, but stats :)

[@Hiiyapow]

If you are unlocking Yarne early, you are a psychopath. That map makes me want to commit emmeryn every time I play it.

[@nightwish1453]

@@engiopdf8745 in my experience I am not to sure if that statement regarding reaching the child paralogues immeditely is true to some of the children characters

[@harryw3310]

Stahl I feel is so slept on, early to mid game for me he was so so solid. His strength at lower levels bested Chrom for me, give him someone as a pair up to allow him to double and he can hold points really effectively. Movement is obviously a plus as well, very reliant on getting those level up bonuses. But I was a big fan of him

[@pieoverlord]

Feel like Kellam is definitely better than Ricken and Henry. Better as a Pair Up bot and usable early on as a road block for a turn and to set up kills for other units. Whereas those two are pretty much just drains on resources in order to become mediocre.

[@gr8glaux813]

I've done my research, and have people realized that you can get 50 luck on Nah(father donnel) with armsthrift dragonstone, and well as a magic asset robin that marries brady (father ricken) with one of the highest magic stats possible for end classing as a sorcerer? One thing they didn't mention about donnel is that whoever he marries, that kid can gain the galeforce skill (Nah, Kjelle, Noire). I also put despoil on a high level for skills, because especially on lunatic + and no DLC, I was able to get a galeforce/depspoil/armsthrift morgan/robin to make money from reeking boxes without needing to break the mire/aversa's night combination.

[@Katie-hb8iq]

I like Kellum. He pairs really well with Sumia because it gives her everything she wants - strength and defense. She already has overkill in speed, so it works out beautifully.

[@RubyChiang]

I demand justice Henry!! Idk know about Lunatic and beyond, but I did a Henry solo with a Robin pair up in the Priam battle on Hard mode. I gave him ocassional Rally Speed and he Nos tanked every single enemy.

[@gameboyn64]

You should try playing lunatic for yourself. Enemy stats are inflated to hell and back. Most units at base can only survive one round of combat and some can't even. Risen spawns that on lower difficulty were for grinding literally just lock you out of shopping at that location. Henry sucks because he joins with bad base stats at a point that sees a massive difficulty spike in the enemy quality. Specifically his base 9 speed really doesn't cut it. Also tier lists consider the characters usefulness throughout the entire game and not just their endgame potential. Frederick wouldn't be s- tier otherwise.

[@boot-4704]

Libra is hot so S- tier (S+ tier is reserved for Robin because hotness isn’t that powerful)

[@Hiiyapow]

Some more anaylsis of this analysis. Mostly going to be going over a few points that stick out as not making sense to me: 1) Flavia and Basilio seem to be placed way too high up the tier list. Yes, they are undeniably strong units, but you literally only get them halfway through chapter 23. That means you have 23, 24, 25 and endgame to use them. Considering that 25 is usually 1 turn long and endgame is often 2 at most, you have effectively 2 rout maps to use them. Are they good in those maps? Sure. But you have to take availability into account. You're really pushing it to put them above the C tier. 2) Lissa's rating is off, and more importantly, the reasons for her rating being that way don't really make any sense. With regards to Lissa not getting credit for being "anti softlock", how exactly is that fair? The earlygame without Lissa is almost impossible and she doesn't get ANY credit for it? You can argue that it's not in the spirit of the tier list, but I think to make that argument you have to move Frederick out of S tier because she is as vital to any lunatic/+ run as he is. Furthermore, I'm not sure why she's seen as being less good in the mid-lategame when she does literally the exact same thing as Libra and Anna, except she joins 9+ chapters earlier than they do. Sure, base Libra and Anna might have a very minute advantage against Lissa in the magic department, but it really isn't a big deal considering that they can do 99% of the same things. Literally the only time they are better than her is the moment from which they join, and she isn't promoted. And even then, the difference in magic has to actually matter to be relevant, and in most cases it just simply doesn't. On top of that, Lissa effectively has a third-tier class in falcon knight (she can reach this reasonably; I don't know what Casey was talking about when they said Lissa reaches it slower because it's just factually incorrect) and flying high-range rescue is broken. Furthermore, Maribelle's magic isn't higher than Lissa's. They have the same base, but Lissa joins in chapter 0 and Maribelle joins 5 chapters and a paralogue later. Yes, Maribelle's growth is 10% higher, but Lissa is likely considerably higher levelled than Maribelle by that point in the game anyway and so it takes forever for Maribelles 10% higher growth to mean anything. Better earlygame (due to being present), about the same in the midgame and better lategame. How can you say Lissa is worse than Libra and Anna? It genuinely doesn't make any sense to me. Lissa has uncontested access to the early rescue in Donnel's paralogue, and literally every single bit of healing up until chapter 5 but somehow Libra and Anna's complete non-existence is supposed to make them better? Like... what? 3) Nowi's rating seems to ignore the same standard as everyone else. If we've been mentioning unit speed, we should mention Nowi's. Nowi has 6 base speed in chapter eight. Six. For reference, Stahl has 6 base speed in chapter 2 and can have speed issues. Nowi joins 6+ chapters later with the same speed base. That's not just awful, that's diabolically bad. You can't even make the argument that her growths will catch her up as her growth is 50%, the same as units like Vaike and Stahl. In fact, the whole argument that Nowi is good because "she is good once she gets going" can be applied to the entire awakening cast, and pretty much all of them can have this applied to them to a greater extent than Nowi. Putting Vaike, who is arguably the best gen 1 combat unit bar Robin, below Nowi is just so baffling to me. Are you really saying that a unit with overall worse stats than Vaike and no access to Sol is somehow better, especially when Nowi requires more investment with worse availability? Even if you wanted to make the argument that you don't want to invest exp into Vaike early, there is not a single argument in the entire game that you can make for Nowi>Gregor. Every single thing about them is the same, apart from the fact that Gregor is just better in every way. I mean, let's stop and compare these guys for a second. Nowi has 19 base HP, 13 Strength, 6 Skill, 6 Speed, 9 Luck, 13 Defence and 10 Res. Gregor has 31 base HP, 13 Strength, 14 Skill, 12 Speed, 8 Luck, 11 Defence and 2 Res. So Gregor is considerably bulkier against physical threats, and against Magical threats, the two have similar bulk. For example, if we were to set both of them up against a lunatic mode Dark Mage from chapter 8 (Nowi's theoretically best matchup as they lack the speed to double and hit on her high Res), we will see they have 20 attack with their nosferatu. Nowi takes 20-10=10 damage per hit and gets 2 shot. Gregor takes 20-2=18 damage per hit and also gets 2 shot. Even if you count bulk after the first hit, Gregor still has more HP, having 13 HP to Nowi's 9. Gregor is also obviously much faster and has higher hit and avoid, as well as having access to the hero class which gives him Sol and even has a good class for lunatic+ in bow knight to avoid counter. Every argument you could make for placing Nowi above Gregor by the standards listed currently fundamentally does not make sense.

[@aclashoffireandice4084]

I think Casey is massively under-penalising availability compared to the other people you've brought in, which is going to make the final big tier list look weird when it comes to Awakening. Flavia and Basilio have, at most, four main story maps plus the six SpotPass maps. That's comparable to Syrene So, Flavia vs. Syrene. They both have one niche: Flavia is a good combat unit, and Syrene has flier utility. They also both compete in that niche with units that have been around for a much longer time - Flavia in particular competes with basically every other unit in the game. Also, Flavia will almost certainly be worse at combat than long-term units, because she has no base supports, meaning she will give and receive lower Pair Up bonuses than units who have built supports over the course of the game. You can make the argument that Awakening combat is more valuable than Sacred Stones flier utility, and I'd probably agree with you, but Syrene is D tier. I don't think the gap between them is nearly that big. Flavia belongs in C tier at best. Now I'd like to talk about Basilio. I think he's better than Flavia, because he has an extra, less competitive niche in addition to being around as good as her in combat, that being free Rally Strength. Rally Strength is great because, as Casey says, bows are the best way to kill Grima, and Rally Strength boosts bow damage. That means Basilio is contributing to the quick clear of Endgame without needing to enter combat. In theory, Basilio is still competing with every male unit in the game who joins before him for this niche, but it's not really that simple. Rally supporting doesn't get you experience, so other units need to enter combat to reach Rally Strength, and that means that skills that buff their own combat are going to be competing for Rally Strength's skill slot. Basilio never needs to see combat to have it available, and he doesn't have enough skills that skill slots will become an issue (and is unlikely to before the game ends). So I really think Basilio > Flavia is fair. I can see Basilio being argued above the worst kids, which I don't think Flavia can reasonably claim. Tiki is probably also too high, and I think Vaike should be quite a bit higher than Cherche, not right next to her, but the Basilio/Flavia thing was the real bee in my bonnet.

[@RubyChiang]

Say'ri never impressed me or did I find any use for her because by the time she comes around, my Lon'qu is already a Swordmaster and a better one at that. The only time I used her was when I wanted her to go up against her brother for boss convo. Lol.

[@d3-ll754]

I would move Ricken way up, around where Miriel is, because you'd use them both in the same way ultimately. If you try and use them as normal combat Units, they'll be serviceable but nothing amazing, but Promotion to Sage will give them Rescue Staff access. And sure, while you already have Libra and Anna for that, more often than not there are several maps with enough room for 3 Rescuers and there's a chance you'd want to use Anna's stellar magical offense over her Rescue access anyway, and Miriel and Ricken both have their upside and downside in this regard. Miriel has better offensive stats which means higher Rescue range overall, but joining in the clusterfuck of earlygame Units means training her is coming at the cost of someone else, and some of those earlygame Units are actually quite solid and worth training, as was already discussed in this review. Ricken, on the other hand, joins strictly after that, which means you've probably already made a decision on which of those earlygame Units you're training and which of them you're benching. Thus, Ricken isn't fighting anyone for EXP as fiercely. In fact, I'd argue Ricken is actually *easier* to train, especially if it's for this purpose. Falcon Knight having Rescue access AND Flying at the same time sounds well and good until you realize that no Falcon Knight is gonna have very good Magic at all. And neither Lissa nor Maribelle have especially good base Magic either. You only need about 18 Magic to be an effective Rescuer, and Ricken has effectively 10 at base, gaining 3 upon Promotion. Ricken only needs to gain 5 points of Magic in 7-10 Lvls to reach the threshold, which isn't bad at all off a 55% Growth. Last thing I want to say for my case on Ricken, whatever this might be worth, is that in non full-recruitment LTCs where Anna's not recruited, it's always Ricken who's trained as the second Rescuer, and never Miriel. And it's because of the reasons I outlined above.

[@twigz3214]

Even if you benched Miriel until you got Ricken then started using her she would still have the same mag, gain exp quicker due to her lower level, and have a better growth. Using her also gives you a great kid Edit: Also if you want a 3rd rescue user you could easily reclass a kid or just use Lissa since she can easily be level 10 by the time Ricken joins.

[@d3-ll754]

@@twigz3214 1. Miriel has 02 less base Magic than Ricken (effectively 08 vs Ricken's effectively 10). 2. The EXP gain would only be quicker by an insignificant amount, hardly enough to make her reach Lvl 10 before Ricken would if trained at a similar rate. Miriel would be Lvl 01, Ricken would be Lvl 03. And even if it WERE fast enough to make her reach Lvl 10 before Ricken, that's hardly a justification to move Ricken down since he can reach the Lvl threshold without issue regardless. 3. Laurent is no justification of anything regarding Miriel, certainly not for why she's always better to train over Ricken. Him existing in the future doesn't automatically make her better in the present, and even an untrained Miriel can produce a good Laurent with a father like Henry that starts off strong regardless. 4. Using a Reclassed kid as your third Rescue user depends heavily on their Magic since, like I said, you want at least 18 Magic to be an effective Rescue bot. And Lissa being your third Rescue user will need you to have quite the blessed Lissa due to her paltry base 04 Magic and coin-flip Magic Growth (Promotion to Sage would put her at 08 Magic, still 10 points away from the desired threshold). Plus getting Lissa to Lvl 10 before recruiting Ricken will force you to move at the slowest of snail's paces, far too slow a speed for it to be relevant to this tier list. You'd only have 5 maps to do that, and Lissa's hardly someone who can rush into the frontline to heal Frederick or Robin while enemies are still alive.

[@twigz3214]

@@d3-ll754 I agree it's an option when Lissa is stat screwed but I'd rather turn her into a 3rd rescue user since she basically has her own exp pool that no one else can take from her for most of the early game and training Ricken to use rescue just takes away exp from your other combat units. It looks like an option if Lissa is stat screwed but she'll often enough get to the mag eventually and she doesn't need to right away, also using an early master seal on Ricken to make early rescues easier doesn't seem like a great use of the limited seals when other combat units would appreciate them far more.

[@josefloressalas237]

I think that Donnel is actually good, why? Because he is fun to use, gets good level ups, and when the maps start being filled with enemies (which is the point where I am getting bored of this game), he can just solo the rest of the game with basically no chance of dying

[@Mekkkah]

Donnel is really fun to use for sure.

[@EmissaryOfSmeagol]

In Awakening, it basically all comes down to skill cap modifiers, since you are going to max pretty much all stats in order to get your skills anyways (since what _really_ matters are skills).

[@Slenderquil]

There's a typo in the title just so you know

[@Mekkkah]

you right, fixed it

[@Slenderquil]

@@Mekkkah Fantastic! It seems that the title was salvagaeblel after all

[@Mekkkah]

@@Slenderquil im positively salivaging at your funniness

[@lanceknightmare]

It would have become super awkward if you had not realized Libra was a he sooner, VERY awkward. :D 😂

[@lsrrr3857]

Lucius: ikr?

[@markusbao6670]

Donnel is a Juggernaut ,have someone plays this game

[@pksprite6401]

Donnel OP. That is all.

[@AkaiAzul]

46:49 "C is for Child," Uhh, where are Yarne, Nah, and Morgan?

[@Arkholt2]

The intro might help you know where they are

[@ChamplooEvan]

Old video at this point for an even older game now but I'm a little frustrated with the content in this series. Where/do you point out what makes a unit S vs F? I can hardly tell what's going on with all the "ums..." "yeahs..." and pauses? What's the criteria for placement? How can Frederick be one of the BEST units, placed above all second Gen units, and yet you say he "falls off?" Either he's not S tier or he doesn't fall off, that's what I mean. These are pretty useless as guides given that they aren't doing much guiding

[@floris1111]

why is gregor in b+ tier

[@saintekweena795]

The intro might help you

[@nonipplenate]

Bro really just asked "Why is X character in Y tier?"

[@floris1111]

@@nonipplenate why is robin in s tier

[@Corncake1337]

W

[@Zorafin]

I never get far in Awakening. The characters are so boring I can never get invested into it. But I always have a great experience leveling Lonqu a bit, then reclassing to thief, and just with that he's soloing armies just through his good level ups. Not to mention once I finally promote him.

[@johanandersson8252]

Begone, foul miscreation.

[@nagusa1186]

sucks you guys are so aggressively negative about lower tier characters.. what if someone likes that character? it might be pretty disheartening to hear 'hes so bad!' over and over and over again. :/ useful info tho

[@JovanaSanchez000]

If you like a character, you'll find a way to make them work, even in Lunatic+!

[@nagusa1186]

yeah! still kinda sad to hear it on repeat tho!

[@lanceknightmare]

​@@JovanaSanchez000 No, as a player who has invested more time than the majority of the Fire Emblem community into Awakening. I can conclude that at best a very rng based grindy process which handicaps other characters at the expense of your favorite character is needed. I only succeeded in Lunatic mode and concluded that Lunatic+ using the stock cartridge I was using, no wireless features, and no abuse of the clock glitch is so statistically unlikely it is effectively impossible. It is possible to do this in Lunatic if you are willing to put enough time and research into the game.

[@lanceknightmare]

​@@JovanaSanchez000 No, as a player who has invested more time than the majority of the Fire Emblem community into Awakening. I can conclude that at best a very rng based grindy process which handicaps other characters at the expense of your favorite character is needed. I only succeeded in Lunatic mode and concluded that Lunatic+ using the stock cartridge I was using, no wireless features, and no abuse of the clock glitch is so statistically unlikely it is effectively impossible. It is possible to do this in Lunatic if you are willing to put enough time and research into the game.

[@williamdunbar2802]

I’m sorry but both this video and the last are almost unlistenable due to the constant “um”s and “uh”s.

[@theghostcreator776]

What are you talking about?

[@williamdunbar2802]

@@theghostcreator776 ​ just listen from 1:22:16 to 1:25:19