Are these skills even possible?

[@mariusa.5863]

I love difficult skills, that’s what I enjoy most about gymnastics. But to be honest, these skills look too dangerous in my book. Would be fine with me if we hit the limit of physically possible skills in the nearer future. The Biles II, the Dos Santos, the maybe-Carey will always be extremely rare - rare enough to remain jaw-dropping. Plus there are so many phenomenal skills of old that aren’t even performed anymore, e.g. the Mo on bars. Bringing back some of these would be almost as exciting as seeing new ones.

[@luminousmoon86]

About the only one in this video that I think could possibly (?) be performed with an acceptable risk is the Triple Twisting Double Tuck Dismount on UB. The rest I agree, look way too dangerous. Nobody's watching gymnastics to see a gymnast break their neck or back, and something like that can actually turn people away from the sport.

[@iluvunot]

I don’t think we’ll see the Carey get added to the code. Not sure if she’s trained it since we saw that video in 2021 but she absolutely looked like she was about to break her ankles

[@halfway7690]

To be fair, the Mo salto is pretty dangerous too

[@asharadayne6159]

The Counter-Kim would be another amazing one to see resurrected.

[@sktzn6829]

one I'd actually like to see is the Ma dismount off UB. It's an F, so on par with the double double for difficulty, but quite possibly the most elusive skill in the code. Pretty sure she's the only one whose done it in competition

[@matthewplampton955]

That double layout on the beam is a neck breaker. The ub dismount more plausible, and a nice reminder that Skinner for all her critics had such crisp twisting form.

[@alex1lane]

can you please make this a series?

[@EPIComi]

Yes plsss

[@gymnasticsmasterclass]

yeah sure 😊

[@SageRosemaryTime]

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[@bloodrainicorn6193]

Zapata is my inspiration. I’d love to see him be allowed to try the triple front but i understand the risk / reward might not be there if someone gets hurt.

[@FrancesBaconandEggs]

These are awesome to watch but they definitely need to stay as training videos on Instagram/TikTok. What I’d prefer is for the FIG to incentivize exciting new dance skills by getting rid of the E cap. Also, the rules for bars transitions are absurd. I think there would be more innovation in the sport from exciting new skills and connections for sure.

[@hydroflask8992]

The Igor vault is hilariously difficult. Even for guys, a double front vault on its own is pretty hard and is only performed at the highest elite levels. Adding a whole other flip to that is just mind-boggling.

[@adrianops7]

It's a good thing they hold the men back a little performing crazy skills.. otherwise we would be seeing serious injuries a lot more often, some of those even fatal.

[@JohnSmith-gf6jt]

I love your videos - as someone with a casual interest in artistic gymnastics - because of how clearly you slow down and label complicated skills.

[@ivanjimenezmajestic3979]

Loved the video. I'd like to see what happened with the triple back dismount on parallel bars, I think also Nikita Nagornyy was working on a double front piked with a full twist.

[@gabrielmoro3d]

Love the difficult skills. ❤

[@jorgebonilla2234]

I don’t think triple front on vault and floor are comparable, the former is more dangerous and is closer to 3.5/4 somersaults. Also the FIG already explicitly allows triple somersaults on floor in the backward direction so why would forward be different? The double back half is the least likely on this list, particularly because men are required to do a giant swing out of releases (or some other immediate skill) and there’s just no way to get momentum out of this catch

[@scarlettl2988]

Forward somersaults are way more dangerous than backwards. For one thing, backward flips are much easier to land. They usually go like this: roundoff + back handspring + somersault. The roundoff back handspring adds momentum and easily connects into literally any backward flipping skill. But to execute something like a triple front, you would need a front handspring/bounder. This is a problem because front handsprings/bounders are not as easy as roundoff back handsprings and it's much more difficult to generate enough power for such a dangerous skill. Plus, forward flips have a blind landing, which make them much harder to land. It's definitely more likely a gymnast will over/under rotate in a forward somersault than a backward somersault. It's also more deadly to mess up a forward flip; under-rotate and you will probably snap your neck, over-rotate and you'll land on the back of your back or your spine. However, for a backward flip, under-rotate and you'll land on your hands and knees, over-rotate and you'll aggressively roll to your back or land on your butt. Hope this answers your question!

[@jorgebonilla2234]

My question was a rhetorical one. I honestly just don’t see how a triple front is sufficiently more dangerous that the FIG would not recognize it while recognizing triple back variations. Your point about the mechanics are taken, but for some gymnasts (and zapata is definitely among these), front tumbling isn’t so impossibly difficult compared to backward. Some are more comfortable with front tumbling than the average gymnast. They’d likely be the ones attempting this (hence why we’re seeing Zapata being the one training it). Blind landing and mechanics explain why a triple front is more difficult than a backwards triple back, but they do not justify not permitting one and permitting the other.

[@scarlettl2988]

@@jorgebonilla2234 I get your way of thinking, it's just as a former gymnast I can say that for me and my teammates, front tumbling was greatly disliked and more difficult to execute than back tumbling. Our coaches let us attempt double backs and yurchenkos into the pit, but not double fronts. I think it was because one of my coaches was a stuntman, and his co-worker snapped his neck attempting a double front into a pit because he hit the bottom of the pit, which was made of concrete. Our pit wasn't made of concrete; it was a trampoline, but still.

[@francisnguyen6349]

Nice job for difficult skills about Gymnastics.

[@ae2948]

I bet we'll be seeing a double tucked gienger before the next olympics.

[@SabrinaVoineaSStolenMedal]

The IOC/FIG is damned if they do and damned if they don't. If they low ball the skill, people whine, but if some idiotic coach decides to let a gymnast chuck a skill that only someone like Simone can compete, and gets hurt, those same people would whine about that too. Simone wasn't human in the strength department. As strong as Rebeca Andrade is, even she wouldn't be able to compere some of the stuff Simone competed. It's better to listen to people whine then deal with some gymnast breaking their neck.

[@juanmartinez-zg5uc]

I would loved to see them all in competition an even harder skills 👿

[@trottgizz1946]

of course, when you are not risking a finger

[@arsenmakarenko6812]

What about double Kovach on HB? Fusuke also attempted this element, successfully

[@gymnasticsmasterclass]

Fusuke actually catches the Double Kovacs, making it already possible. This video concept focuses more on attempts (close or not to being successful). But thank you for your input and I’ll definitely add it to other video concepts! 😊

[@arsenmakarenko6812]

@@gymnasticsmasterclass You're welcome, thank you for your answer)

[@jordansefton]

Could someone please remind me who and what the very first skill shown in the video is? Ik she’s canadian and I remember seeing this skill before but it’s so cool and I really wonder what the D value would be for a clear hip pak, the swing is more similar to a Zuchold than a normal pak

[@gymnasticsmasterclass]

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[@MzKaylcC]

Double ginger 🥺 🥺

[@EPIComi]

Definitely triple front

[@Marketoromagnolo]

I wonder why Radividilov has been banned, as I think some other vaults look much more dangerous

[@gymnastguy328]

Really? I don’t think any other vault comes close to how dangerous this one is. And it’s 3 flips instead of 2. Off of the hands no less. And the best he ever landed was on his butt. He even landed double fronts up to mats higher than the vault and still wasn’t even close to landing the triple. I think it was a good idea to ban it

[@chewiegym2765]

Very high risk of landing on the head/neck if underrotated

[@chewiegym2765]

@@marissaurias5116 it's all around just a ridiculously dangerous skill! Glad we got to see Radivilov perform it but also very glad it's banned!

[@marcoantonioreveloguerrero9972]

Mmm I don't know... For me the Korbut flip and Thomas salto look more risky, I calmly leave the chat and read your comments.

[@Leader-fq1dq]

None, I don't like the injuries they may have.

[@rg1whiteywins598]

All way too dangerous. For women's gymnastics, we need creativity and originality and quality of flowing dance on floor like Russian gymnasts in the 1970s-1980s. Not just a bunch of dance moves stuck in between tumbling passes.

[@amakasan2083]

I think they need to open up the scoring to allow many paths to the same destination... Allow more difficulties.. Or uncap dance difficulties or something. Everything becomes so repetitive.

[@Shirlenekangaroogymnastics]

Amen to that!!

[@Shirlenekangaroogymnastics]

So true.

[@tambam6744]

@@amakasan2083 Uncapping dance elements is the most stupid suggestion EVER!!!! Especially considering the harsh e-scoring of this CoP. We will never see a tumbling pass more difficult than a DLO because acrobatics are more deduction heavy than dance elements. You need to realize that originality and creativity are NOT problems with a panacea-like solution. Uncapping dance elements will turn this regressing sport into a sad version of rhythmic gymnastics.

[@amakasan2083]

@@tambam6744 uncapping the dance element values and/combinations would and some originality. No one is asking for more dance elements.. Just let those who are capable of doing more difficulty do it. Gymnastics is so boring now. The harsh E scoring is pretty accurate most of the time when you look at the overall execution of gymnast from today.. Compared to 15 years ago. Originality and creativity is exactly the problem right now!!! Creating easier rules so everyone can have better execution of just dumb. Step your game up or get out..