Are they Cracking Down on Unorganized land? EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE NEW LAWS!

[@OffGridWithGinaThi]

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[@jack-xl8ri]

You guys did very good job. I own a land in an unorganized township in northern Ontario for the last two years and went thru many same questions where I included my lawyer, realtor agent, closest township and I got pretty much same answers. Follow up Ontario building codes and you are fine. Have fun , be safe out there and good luck with your project 🫶

[@OffGridWithGinaThi]

Thank you so much!! Appreciate it!!

[@cabinlife2347]

Good info you shared guys. Thanks for the shout out! Good luck in your journey. Glenn & Maureen

[@OffGridWithGinaThi]

Thank you so much!

[@OffGridWithGinaThi]

✨️Here are some lands that we spoke about in todays video: 1. Manitoulin property: realtor.ca/real-estate/26432218/lot-5-con-10-robinson-township-district-of-manitoulin-district-of-manitoulin? 2. Unorganized Property in Matheson: realtor.ca/real-estate/26592130/pcl-8550-bourkes-rd-black-river-matheson-black-river-matheson? 3. Other Unorganized Property: realtor.ca/real-estate/26415041/0-highway-534-w-restoule?

[@makaylaforbes6719]

@@OffGridWithGinaThi I almost bought in Matheson a few years ago. Was a very tempting deal that way. Something like 45 acres with rights to every natural resource going except the pine trees

[@frrb8305]

You guys are amazing. Don't let the haters get to you. You are clearly on the right path! Keep trailblazing and sharing your story.

[@johnbrown8740]

You guys are living well and in a good way, self sustaining and pulling your own weight. Ignore any negativity.

[@OffGridWithGinaThi]

Great advice! Thank you for your support. Wish you all the best.

[@AngeloCarlotto]

Amazing informations guys, you are being so generous on sharing all this information… I am learning a lot

[@lotuskeeper4592]

I had never heard of unorganized townships before I watched one of your videos. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and wisdom. You inspire me. I'm 52 and single. I had given up hope to own property on my own. But I've been doing research and it can happen for me. So now, I can resurrect my dream of building my home and gardening and caring for the land. Thank you. Namasté 🦋🤍🦋

[@OffGridWithGinaThi]

That's awesome! Thanks for sharing this with us! Wishing you all the best ❤️

[@offgridwanabe]

Good luck and old saying may apply here "It's better to beg for forgiveness than to ask for permission"

[@lotuskeeper4592]

I've just recently found your videos. You guys are AWESOME!!!☆♡☆♡☆

[@manitoulin-offgrid2317]

We are on Manitoulin Island and have an offgrid home in an orgaized township. We didnt have too much trouble getting our build done but we did need a permit for everything. We have heard crazy stories about the planning board. Its gotten much worse in the last couple of years. The island is incredibly beautiful and has some amazing people. We havent regretted our decision to move here.

[@makaylaforbes6719]

I thought about Manitoulin a couple years ago myself. As the crow flies I'm not really that far, so I figured, ok still a Move, but not a MOVE. A few months back I saw something on here that said they're cracking down on off grid so that pushes that place out of the running for me. For some reason, municipalities have got it in their heads that off grid and tiny living = people living in cardboard boxes instead of what it really is

[@LifewithDusty]

Great stuff. Thanks for the videos. Keep up the awesome work

[@OffGridWithGinaThi]

Thank you ❤️

[@micahgordon4559]

The Manitoulin Planing Board is an absolute nightmare!! My parents grew up there, with roots on the Island going back generations. I spent huge portions of my childhood there and continue to visit close family living there as often as I can. For me Manitoulin holds a deep reverence and feeling of home and spiritual grounding. The reason my wife and I are looking elsewhere for our off grid dream property is the Manitoulin Planning Board. They will do everything they can to make your project as expensive and difficult as possible or outright impossible. Several of my family members are contractors on the Island and I assure you they have many tales of difficulties with the MPB!

[@OffGridWithGinaThi]

Wow! That's not easy! Thanks for sharing this with us!

[@rachelbatista2035]

Such good information!! Wow great video!

[@lavalleyk]

Great information - I stumbled on your channel a couple of days ago as I was researching sewage laws in unorganized townships as I am currently building in an unorganized township - Happy to say that your channel has some great information for those just starting out - keep up the great content and good luck in the coming season with your new adventures :D

[@OffGridWithGinaThi]

Glad it's been helpful and thank you! Same to you!

[@murrat]

Great Episode.

[@dog_guy-c8x]

I have never ever heard of an unorganized peace of property that has the rules that seem to be on the island. I would chalenge that. I have lived on a number of UN ORG. townships in my life and that sounds like total bull shit.

[@OffGridWithGinaThi]

I Know. It should not be called "Unorganized " In my opinion.

[@tommysieng2788]

There are always haters on the web. You do what you do !! Love your videos !!. Are you living the Canadian life !! hopefully, I can do it one day !!

[@OffGridWithGinaThi]

Thank you so much for the encouragement! So glad you have been liking the videos! Means a lot getting positive feedback! Take care!!

[@proudcanadian1837]

The governments at the provincial level and a bit at the federal level need to free up large amounts of the lands they are holding and hording. In Canada, 90+% of all lands are held by governments. In BC, it's a massive 95%! I know some real estate players in BC who laugh about this as it keeps lands in all regions up high! Also, they should do away with property taxes for as long as you pay taxes on it you never own it. Move to community fees? Instead of property taxes. I've been enjoying your videos, and I'm looking forward to seeing more of your journey forward and good luck

[@OffGridWithGinaThi]

Thank you!!! :)

[@joedirt9600]

You should be following the building code no matter what you are doing. I live near an unorganized township and even the people living there don't want shacks built next door. Most Townships have rules in place to keep people from living in mobile homes and trailers...cheaper taxes are the benefit...but the closest fire department will never make it in time to save anything.

[@thearmchairgm7308]

The main issue with the building code is, I believe, minimum size requirements, perhaps building materials as well.

[@makaylaforbes6719]

@@thearmchairgm7308 the minimum size requirements they set are a frickin joke, really. They don't give 2 craps about how small apartments can be, yet a tiny home (which is way bigger than many monthly residential rentals) is classed as *too small" to live in by many municipal standards. I beg to differ. The cottage I've been living in for the last 15 years, tossing my money away monthly by paying rent to someone else for the "privilege" (what's considered a right, actually, where I am) to have a place to live, is smaller than your average tiny home. I'm going to be buying one soon. According to the builders specs I'll be gaining about 100 square feet and one of the best parts is, it'll cost me $250/month less to own it over only a couple short years

[@MmMm-f2y7c]

I just bought 160 up Northern Ontario the whole purpose was cuz I could do whatever I want with no bylaws. $60 a year and land tax the only land I think I might always be able to afford to own. Tax on the house I'm in in Southern Ontario $5,000 a year and I can't do anything on that land without being extorted for tens of thousands of dollars in permits. PS if you're worried about buying land that might one day be incorporated into an organized Township buy land in townships where there's only very few parcels private. My parcel of land is one of the only two private parcels in the whole Township there is no way it will ever be organized no Township will Incorporated cuz there's only two parcels to charge taxes on and they'd have to provide services to the whole Township which would cost them more than the revenue they could ever get back

[@OffGridWithGinaThi]

Yes, i feel like it would be really hard for our township to become incorporated due to the reasons you listed! Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

[@maigematthews5620]

I’m from New York, what land can I not buy?

[@durhamstoneworks4342]

You are saying that you are going to build to the Ontario Building code and you have a saw mill. Just to be clear in your situation I would mill my own lumber to build my house if I had that option. But in order to build to the code you are required to build structural with stamped lumber.

[@OffGridWithGinaThi]

You can get lumber stamped if you use a sawmill. There's steps you can take to get that done. Thanks for watching!

[@JamesMcnichol-ss2oc]

While you require stamped lumber to build to code it is a bit of a joke. I’ve purchased stamped lumber at local building store that is junk wood. I’ve used lumber from my sawmill that is way better quality. Stamped lumber is only as good as the person or company that’s grading it (many sawmills grade their own lumber ). I think a person who saws their own lumber and gets a private person in to grade it will still be better off. I personally would build with ungraded lumber from my own mill and not worry about it

[@tiktokmashup8955]

Nice

[@makaylaforbes6719]

You know they dont want anyone having free electricity, free water, free sewer, and almost free heat. Im making this move myself likely within a year. I hope where im going doesnt build up too quick cuz seriously, no reason why modest living ahould be outlawed or phased out against people who have been already established

[@OffGridWithGinaThi]

I believe it goes against the "agenda" that is "total control." Good luck on your journey, wish you all the best!

[@dilbotmacguillacutty4849]

Not 100% sure.... 'To code' also includes using 'stamped lumber'... purchased/certified ... not homemade lumber... Any thoughts? 🤔

[@OffGridWithGinaThi]

This is a great article on that: woodmizer.ca/en/how-to-get-your-lumber-grade-stamped

[@dog_guy-c8x]

I will say this you really have to stop talking bout UN ORG property you will end up with half of Toronto wanting to move and pretty soon there will be no more. Just saying.

[@littlebear6496]

true lol, we pay like 6k in property tax for

[@TheSilverlady1980]

Transit from down south ontario is being restored to the north. Not sure the train name but it’s advertised for tourism but others could surge north.

[@JamesMcnichol-ss2oc]

I don’t think you will have half of Toronto moving there anytime soon. They will have no Starbucks or any of the conveniences of Toronto. Living in the north is for self sufficient people. Most from southern Ontario will not last there.

[@dog_guy-c8x]

@@JamesMcnichol-ss2oc You never no we might just end up with all the undesierables up here

[@dog_guy-c8x]

@@JamesMcnichol-ss2oc I agree that they would not last here for sure

[@g.eeducation251]

Hi guys, do you know if Nova Scotia has unorganized land

[@OffGridWithGinaThi]

From our research, we couldn't really find anything. I know different provinces have different rules and regulations. Ontario does seem to have the bulk of unorganized townships in Northern Ontario. People online mention Saskatchewan and Alberta having unorganized townships, but their rules and regulations seem a bit different.

[@g.eeducation251]

@@OffGridWithGinaThi thank you kindly!

[@redsquirrelftw]

Was a bit concerned when I saw the title but good to know they still don't require permits. It sounds like they just want more power to enforce existing laws which is still a bit concerning, but probably won't be a big issue if you stay secluded and out of the spotlight. I think they'll only target anyone that "sticks out" like those communes you mentioned, or if you build a 10 storey hotel or something that accommodates lot of people, then yeah that might be an issue. I do worry about the possibility of amalgamation though... but I'm far enough away from any town that I think I should be safe. I wonder if there is any way to fight amalgamation, like opt out or something.

[@OffGridWithGinaThi]

Thanks for watching. We have to pay attention to the politicians.... sometimes, they pass laws that are not in our best interests. We have to make sure our local representatives know where we stand. Take care...

[@dana_d_shade982]

I've lived rurally most of my life (50+ years), and the issues you are speaking of are not new and not isolated to unorganized townships. It has been my observation that there are plenty of people who get tired of the rat race of city life, (I can't fault that) and they want to leave it behind and move to the country. The problem lies in that they want a country life, but they also want all their amenities that they decided to leave in the city. It doesn't work that way, and it only causes unnecessary conflict. I'm not saying that city people should stay in the city, but they need to realize where they are going. If they want to leave the city, thats fine; but they must truly leave the city in the city. Congratulations to you for taking the jump to country living; leave the city stuff where it belongs, and you'll do great.

[@OffGridWithGinaThi]

So true Dana! Thanks for the encouragement and thoughts!

[@runningfromabear8354]

You don't have to choose one or the other if you buy in an organized township. I see why anyone living in an unorganized township would have issues with new neighbors moving in and trying to change things. But I don't see why we should have to give up garbage collection, mail delivery, schools and road maintenance as long they move to a town that already has those things. We specifically bought land in an organized township to have those things. So far we get along with our neighbors and haven't had any problems. Everyone's on the same page. The locals already had everything newcomers were hoping for.

[@johnbrown8740]

Please put a link to the older couples "Cabin Life" page.

[@OffGridWithGinaThi]

Here it is! :) youtube.com/@cabinlife2347?si=TJvDzrsOcllP1KUD

[@johnbrown8740]

Hey !!! 😊 Thanks.

[@OffGridWithGinaThi]

@johnbrown8740 no problem!!

[@destitute8493]

Potable, rhymes with 'notable'. Comes from French 'potable' which derives from Latin 'pōtāre'. As in 'potion'. The English word 'pot' comes from different roots and is unrelated.

[@OffGridWithGinaThi]

speechless here not sure what to respond. Thanks lol

[@dog_guy-c8x]

The government for many years now feel that they own all water rights so if you drill a well they want to no about it if you dig a well there not interested because dug wells now lets say if you wanted to sell your house down the road a dug well is treated by a bank that is going to hold that mortgage probably will not give you a mortgage unless it is a drilled well. baisicaly a dug well is not concidered safe any more even though for thousands of years people have used them for there drinking water. I no these things as I have a dug well. the well i have has been on this property since this area was first settled in 1920s It sits on a natural spring . And the reason I no this is because of the elderly people that are my neighbours. At any rate something to keep in mind.

[@christianest-pierre4002]

Well, I don't know about you but since they came up with building code and have inspectors to check the job, houses and else are breaking down quite easily compare than before don't you think? Even everything is also the same... cheap cheap cheaply made and break easily. So what are they there for?

[@OffGridWithGinaThi]

I think the building code and inspections are more useful in the city, where all the houses are so close together. If one house catches on fire, the whole block might burn down. Here in this area, i believe they want to use the code to prevent people who can't afford rent or to buy a house, from putting up a not so good looking structure and become an eye sore to the neighbors. That's what I think.

[@oraclebjj]

@@OffGridWithGinaThi architectural graduate here. you are correct concerning urban areas. the other reason is the burden you would impose on the nearest township/city that has services ie. hospital, emergency rescue, fire dependent etc. all those require tax payers dollars. in a nutshell its to keep everyone safe. great channel. keep up the great work and off grid life.

[@donsreport]

Hey Thi and Gina hope all is well, just wanted to say Gina you look so familiar like we went to school or cousins not sure lol and Thi I'm also portuguese but from the Azorean islands, you guys are awesome and I really want to move beside you maybe you're visinho down the street 😉 lol

[@OffGridWithGinaThi]

@donsreport haha! Well we would get a long well since it's a casa portuguesa lol my wife's dad is Portuguese from the main land and my grandma lives in Portugal. We have many friends from Azorean islands. Gina went to school in Brampton... high school Notre Dame. Maybe you know her from there? Anyways thanks for watching! :)

[@caribouroadfarm]

Eventually all unorganized land get incorporated.

[@OffGridWithGinaThi]

I hope not, but you might be right. Thanks for watching.

[@GF-pc5bt]

As far as septic can i shit in a bucket and dispose it like trash ( in the proper manner of course ) like we do with baby diapers ?

[@OffGridWithGinaThi]

LoL you mean compost? Yeah, you can do a compost toilet

[@johnirvine9942]

How many acres of forest are you guys taking down.

[@OffGridWithGinaThi]

We are starting with an acre and then going from there. Realistically, they say to take about 4 + acres down to help reduce the flies, mosquitoes etc.

[@johnirvine9942]

@@OffGridWithGinaThi Are you farming? Or are you just cutting down forest land because you think it looks better. I understand flies and mosquitoes are a bitch, I live in a forest for six months out of the year. I get it. But that’s what you get for living in a forest. I don’t understand why you have to cut anything down unless there’s a really good reason to do that like for food.

[@timklassen421]

Hey John its there land they can do what they want with it @@johnirvine9942

[@wallyg8020]

Can you cute couples post some websites on your channel where to look up for things that you guys use do your research?? Than you much love

[@OffGridWithGinaThi]

We've pinned a comment with some listings! Realtor is where we found our land :)

[@wallyg8020]

Looking for one near water where I can fish or rivers and trails for my 🐕 🐶

[@GF-pc5bt]

This country is ridiculous with rules….

[@OffGridWithGinaThi]

Yeah lol

[@dog_guy-c8x]

It means dont put up a peace of shit that is going to fall down

[@maigematthews5620]

I’m joking here: I really don’t like how I’m bing watching all of your videos! (New York humor) You guys are too addictive and should be shut down. (Total sarcasm) During my two 16-hour shifts, between watching videos and researching the topics, I got no work done.

[@OffGridWithGinaThi]

Thank you. We're glad you enjoy our videos. All the best!

[@metricdeep8856]

I suppose if I build a tent from animal furs....as our indigenous predecessors have done and continue to do.....That is code compliant? I would like to see the document that imposes this on Canadians.....or less than Canadians. Who is the less than? I'm curious. Why are you imposing leadership over me? Freedom means what exactly? I know what it means.