Are Used Electric Cars Much Worse Than New Ones? [Episode 3] | 4K

Rory puts an ultra-high mileage Tesla Model S head to head with a brand new Jaguar iPace to see how an old electric car compares with a brand new one. He completes acceleration tests, handing tests and even a recharging race!
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[@AutoTraderTV]

Hi guys, Thanks for turning in to the series. This episode was originally planned to be a head to head between this Model S and a high-mileage petrol car. However were unable to source a suitable ICE vehicle with anywhere close to 400,000 miles on the clock in time for the shoot. A comparison with a new Model S might have been a valid approach, as some of you have suggested, but once again were unable to source one in the time we had available. A replacement test, involving a dyno, had to be aborted at the last minute for technical reasons. We did, however, have a Jaguar iPace available to us, so we thought it would be an interesting test to see if a new high-end electric car you can buy from a dealership today compares to one that has done almost a million miles. This might be especially useful to people believe the argument that it’s not worth buying a current EV now because the ones that are released much later will be significantly better. We think you'll agree the gap between the cars is pretty close. We shot this video on the same day we performed a full health check on the car, so do check back soon for that episode, in which we reveal the true state of the battery. -Rory

[@jinx20001]

i think the video was a valid comparison considering this was not a face off between the cars themselves, it was a face off between the cars and their manufacturers claims to determine how age plays a factor. I think most people are missing that point. They see two different cars and think the video is Ipace VS tesla when the reality is its new EV vs manufacturers claims and old EV vs manufacturers claims and the result is a valid one, the new car matches or exceeds the claims made by its manufacturer and you demonstrated the losses one might face compared to manufacturers claims with age and mileage. Comparing a new Tesla vs an old Tesla would have been an identical result when it comes to what you are trying to demonstrate. With that said... the handling segment of the video was completely pointless and didnt demonstrate anything, the only way that would work would be new Tesla vs old Tesla to see how fresh hardware underneath compares to old, cant be done with two different cars so that should have stayed on the sidelines and bringing no value. The next question that should be asked and answered is, can you service an Old EV and recover performance like you can an old ICE car... we know that will involve some cost but it would be very interesting to know if an old EV can be serviced back to a new (ish) condition. (for example, are the motors serviceable? we know the battery probably isn't).

[@davidparker2642]

Hi Rory, loved this part "However were unable to source a suitable ICE vehicle with anywhere close to 400,000 miles"

[@-PORK-CHOP-]

Rory, if you were unable to source the vehicles for the test as originally planned then put the story back a week or a few weeks, and move onto the next story, publishing content because you have to publish X number of videos in any given time is just publishing content for the sake of content, the content lacks quality and it shows in this video, this is how channels start to go down because they just start to publish anything to get clicks.

[@vigneshn.y3048]

Thoroughly enjoyed it!

[@ObiePaddles]

Given there are no new RHD Tesla model S then this is fair enough for ‘normal’ people.

[@peteramey9385]

Surely you need to test an old tesla model S with a new or almost newish Model S to have an objective comparison on age and mileage performance??

[@rogerphelps9939]

You mean objective.

[@samcoatham2400]

Why? the new Tesla models have different battery capacity so it’s like apples and lemons

[@Rui725]

Objectively speaking should have compared to a lower mileage, same year Tesla model s. How autotrader missed this comparison is beyond me.

[@yanis_s500]

@@Rui725 Yeah, this is quite stupid to compare Tesla vs Jaguar. Like why??????

[@Jem07drie]

@@samcoatham2400 But there probably are Model S's from the same production with less mileage, I think that is what the top comment meant with almost newish.

[@garrycroft4215]

Testing apples to oranges. Pointless 😂

[@rogerphelps9939]

Not totally. They are both high end electric cars.

[@tesla_models]

Both are not for reliability

[@4viator]

Very similar battery and claimed performance

[@TwinPotMan]

I agree entirely

[@CanisoGaming]

Testing a taxi Tesla car against a totally new & bad EV, Tesla still did quite good 😂, can't wait to see Tesla S 90 vs Tesla plaid or something

[@TrollStationYT]

You guys really put out some amazing content but comparing an old model S to a new model S would have been much more effective happy to let you use mine if that helps 💪🏼

[@TrollStationshorts]

@@TrollStationYT I agree 😂

[@ashleysantics4769]

Omg What you guys doing here I thought this comment was going to be you lot trolling but it’s so true lmfao 🤣

[@Alasdair-hy9jv]

At 8:19 you have an on screen warning "Battery fuse requires replacement soon OK to drive - Schedule service" according to Tesla that means that "Your vehicle is OK to drive in the meantime. However, you may notice reduced speed and acceleration while driving."

[@insanityideas]

They are supposed to be testing the Tesla as they find it, fault codes and all... but they should say so in the video. That would explain why it was so slow, no way an iPace beats a 90d under normal circumstances. 80% charge might have taken the edge off a bit, but not unreasonable as long as the iPace was also at 80%.

[@NicholasLittlejohn]

​@@Alasdair-hy9jv pyrofuse is a common and expensive fix if it's on top of the battery, especially

[@TraderJono]

Good point! That’s. £350 fix I had mine done in April. Surely that has to be fixed first before doing any tests on it. The owner will be aware he just wants to get as much out of it before replacing it as there will be another warning next that basically says get it done asap

[@insanityideas]

@@TraderJono the owner does seem good at getting the most out of the cars for spending the least money. However auto trader are ragging it around a bit and might have finally triggered the warning. Let's see if their trained mechanic picks up on this (he looked at the car before these tests so we have an out of sequence videos problem).. It's owner is going to want the car back in one piece, Free supercharging is worth a fortune to him. These free supercharging cars are going to be around forever, which I think is what Tesla wanted, a long term customer testing batch of cars to see what high milage high supercharging does as a vehicle ages to check their accelerated factory testing results.

[@TraderJono]

@@insanityideas lots of good points mate. I hope Tesla did genuinely plan for that. If not then it will be tested anyway. People love free stuff!! I too wish I had free supercharging lol

[@legostud]

Um, a new Jaguar? Are you kidding me picking the iPace. That’s an ancient design.

[@Viktor2188]

Thought the same thing. That is technologically the oldest "modern" EV in existence!

[@GavinScrimgeour]

I believe the battery chemistry is NMC.

[@pdiddie222]

Why use a jag and not another Model S? Pointless test.

[@stulop]

New model S is scarce in the UK as they are not made in right hand drive.

[@joeb4294]

@@stulop I expect that Autotrader could find one.

[@youtube2kwatcher]

@@stulop ive seen 2 of the new models in the uk in my area

[@stulop]

@@youtube2kwatcher They must love the car as there are no S and X post COVID being made in right hand drive.

[@brandonl8039]

@@pdiddie222 since they literally don’t make a comparable S at all anywhere in the world currently it’s pretty hard to compare it to a new S.

[@q3znw6j88aywnwy]

It's 2024, you don't need to put 4k in the title

[@eken8131]

Fr😭

[@drunkenhobo8020]

Yeah, everyone's realised that 4k is a bit pointless and have just gone back to 1080p.

[@itsyaboishiba]

@@drunkenhobo8020 pointless? hell no bro, i wont watch a 1080p video. 1440p and especially 4k has a lot more detail.

[@JamesM-hb2cj]

You didn’t have the Jag in dynamic mode during the slalom! I can tell because the gauges weren’t red. With an adaptive air suspension, this would have made a huge difference!

[@NicholasLittlejohn]

They're not pros

[@filippxx]

@@JamesM-hb2cj well the Tesla was a worn out high mileage car, don't need to over do it. I belive a new Dacia Sandero does better than a 200K miles car.

[@cokyrobes]

2 important points: 1. The way in which that Model S has been used is not 'normal' for an EV - the number of supercharging cycles will be very high which is why the charging speeds have reduced so much 2. The Model S is more efficient than the iPace so the slower charging is less of an impact as each kwh of energy gets you further etc.

[@akj2387]

How is this even a fair test. Should've compared an older Model S to a newer one with less miles done.

[@raypeeler3585]

Love it! I got a Lightning about 8 months ago, and I sure hope I get 400,000 miles out of it. 128 kWh battery and 528 hp with duel motors. It's a beast, weighing in at almost 7,000 lbs. Fully loaded Lariat, one step down from Platinum for $65,000 USD after I got my tax credit. I'm loving my 1st EV and I'm so glad it's a full-size truck

[@setti7i]

It takes so long for one of these videos to come out that you're reminded that this series actually exists every time

[@HoopsKevinski.]

The Jag has air suspension with power lowering... Looks like he ran the slalom with it raised up.

[@usernametaken6566]

Here's the news.. ICE's loose power too

[@Jsnwrd]

That's not news.

[@ATomRileyA]

EV batteries will be dead in 10years and you will have to throw it away, you can recycle about 40% of it and then your looking at $20k to replace it and they are terrible for the environment those poor kids are mining the materials to make it which is just evil. Not to mention that there is only so much affordable lithium which is used in all batteries not just EV's unless there is some kind of miracle battery tech its not really very sustainable. Its mostly a scam so people can virtue signal while doing more damage to the environment and supporting child slavery.

[@googlewolly]

lose* And they actually don't. That's a myth.

[@johnwootton4469]

Only if you don't change the oil and filters often enough, or if you use bad fuel all the time.

[@SteveGamesplayer]

Yep they use more fuel and more oil and get slower too, mines 18 years old!!!

[@CreatedTech]

I loved the previous videos in this series and am keen to see the rest of them. But this one just felt really... off. Like, what's the point in comparing an 8 year old Tesla's ACCELERATION of all things to a brand new EV from a completely different brand? No one really cares about the acceleration of the 90D anyway, or they would have bought a P90D or a Plaid. And why even compare handling and charging speed? Literally makes no sense, they are completely different vehicles and one is 8 years older. And not only that but the Jaguar likely has

[@jamesengland7461]

The two are well- matched by specs though

[@CreatedTech]

@@jamesengland7461 And an apple is well-matched to an orange as they are both fruits. Still a weird choice of topic for a video IMO.

[@jinx20001]

Like for like comparison ofcourse makes more sense, but it does not make the video invalid, the handling test was completely out of place because they are completely different cars so that made zero sense, they cant determine if the age has played a factor here so that was the pointless part. However the specs of the vehicles and their technology is very similar, similar enough its a valid way to demonstrate how age can affect the car. Both are 400v architectures, both offer very similar charge speeds but the tesla actually claims higher charge speed so it demonstrates even more so what age can do and then they tested the cars not against each other but against their manufacturers claims to see how age can have an effect on that. So the Ipace being faster was not the point of the comparison, the idea was to demonstrate a new EV matches the manufacturers claim as you would expect while massive mileage and time does perhaps erode the manufacturers claim somewhat. With that information we can determine if that is on par with ICE cars or if its better or worse. The next test they should do is servicing the motors like they would an ICE car to see if the performance can be regained like it can with ICE vehicles, not sure they will swallow that cost though to demonstrate if it can be done, but that would be valuable information to know.

[@itsyaboishiba]

look at the pinned comment, that would answer everything youre asking.

[@CreatedTech]

@@itsyaboishiba That pinned comment wasn't there when they received all the criticism...

[@colingoldthorpe5918]

When people say whats the battery cost to replace, you need to be realistic. How much does a new engine cost to replace. And from what it seems, you would have replaced 2-3 engines before the battery pack needs fully replacing. The key is the shape of the bodywork on these cars at that mileage. Aluminum structure is the way to go so rust does not take over your car !!!

[@ricco123tube]

About half the cost compared to 2 years ago. Like most things in life, as supply meets demand and infrastructure catches up, costs come down.

[@misterdragzon]

2-3 engines?? What cars have you been driving

[@colingoldthorpe5918]

@@misterdragzon Ford 🤣🤣🤣🤣 2.7 ECO boost in an F150

[@amyroberts8340]

My daily drive is a 2014 Model S P85 and is on 116,400 miles no problems in doing 210 miles on 90% charge, yeah not got the range of modern EVs but when do you do that on a daily run?. Also can still put in a good shift at a track day. Plus I have a sunroof, unlike many modern EVs!!!

[@JosephHowes2003]

How have the battery and motors held up? I keep reading that the early S's aren't good in that regard. I have a 2020 Model 3 Performance.

[@lachlanB323]

@@JosephHowes2003 They literally said it. 90% which is a little more then you would expect as that is what you would expect at 200k miles but it is the older version.

[@amyroberts8340]

@@lachlanB323 Unfortunately, no, the 90% is State of Charge not degradation of battery. This is the daily recommended limit of charge you should apply to the battery chemistry, so you don't have the battery sat resting where the most damage might be done to it (over 90% or under 10%).

[@JosephHowes2003]

@@lachlanB323 I saw that. They might have replaced the battery or the motors though. I assumed the battery was fine since that was the implication but I lumped it in with the motors anyway.

[@amyroberts8340]

@@JosephHowes2003 Battery has degraded approx 8% of full charge range when last did an entire drain. Please note that charging has been using superchargers for most of its life and exclusively for the last 35k miles, as live within 2 miles of one. I have just had engine reduction oil changed from Cleevely EV mobile service, The car has original motor and HV battery. A few years ago the HV fuses got wet and needed them removed and dried (3 day repair), with the originals being put back in. On original brake pads (incl 2 track days), although will be changed over next year or so. Have also upgraded charging and MCU2

[@jinx20001]

The most impressive part of this is not only the fact the tesla has that mileage and still performs just fine but the fact its on a 400v platform and many manufacturers are shifting to 800v platforms (hyundai ioniq 5/6, porsche taycan, kia EV6/9, tesla cybertruck, audi e-tron etc) this allows for much faster charging, they also have the ability to capture more energy from regen braking, they generate less heat and are generally more efficient and they can be built using thinner cabling thanks to requiring less current going through the cables leading to lighter cars in comparison to 400v and they also are able to deliver higher peak power... if this is what old first gen electric cars are capable of, it bodes well for the future when advancements are being made all the time. I believe Rimac actually created 800v EV tech and passed it on to hyundai/kia and porsche and then it was passed on to Audi. Then lucid created the 900v platform and oh boy if the lucid air sapphire is anything to go by, ill take 900v please.

[@Vansafe0]

This just tells me the Tesla competitors are only about 7 years behind, not counting software.

[@JamesM-hb2cj]

That Jag is better than anything Tesla has ever made. Yes it loses on self-driving tech but it has a nice interior and it drives well - that’s been the formula for luxury performance cars forever. If Tesla could integrate that into their cars would be the best of both worlds but so far they haven’t

[@johna4387]

@@JamesM-hb2cjThe video shows that the Tesla handles better and is more fun at handling than the Jag

[@JamesM-hb2cj]

@@johna4387 the Jag has adaptive air suspension and was not in Dynamic mode (you can tell because the gauges weren’t red). Of course the taller car won’t handle as well when suspension is in soft mode. Put it in dynamic and it’s a different story

[@publicsectordirect982]

Tesla is in another league, bias aside

[@JamesM-hb2cj]

@@publicsectordirect982 in some ways, yes - charging network, self driving tech, efficiency. They are definitely NOT in another league when it comes to interior, driving experience, build quality, etc. I guess the easiest way to say it is - Tesla is better at EVs as something futuristic, the Jag wins if you want a luxury performance car that just happens to be electric.

[@ricco123tube]

I'd like to add that I've only ever had charging issues twice, once with a genie point and once with Mer. I now avoid them. Yes, Appplegreen has never let us down.

[@jakegearing6996]

I've got a Fastned near me hypercharger 300KW always up and reliable and I get it for 48p per KWh as I've subscribed to their gold service.

[@antoineparmentier3319]

How to make boring yet very useful consumer testing fun and exciting. Rory, you're the best!

[@suspiciousafternoon]

had been waiting for a new episode for this 🔥🔥

[@jamesengland7461]

Rory, this was a great comparison. Shows that this very early Tesla still holds its own, is quick, fun to drive, and still gets the job done. Well worth keeping in the drive.

[@mar25807]

And now compare it with a +500 000km ipace, that would have been apples to apples or a 8 year old one.

[@reecet7679]

pretty pointless test... im gonna test a 400,000 mile model s against a new 2024 taycan turbo. Which ones better?

[@mrmawson2438]

Cheers Rory and team

[@twistedbarbell3950]

Having just purchased my first EV (Cadillac LYRIQ) 2 months ago, I am really enjoying this series looking at real world lifespan & performance of EVs! In a way, I’m not surprised the Tesla is doing as well as it is considering they led the way in EV mfr. Yes, I know there were a few attempts by others previously. Also, I agree with the comments on the Applegreen charger being really straightforward, as I recently charged my EV during a quick rest stop in NY and gained a quick 35% in less than 15 minutes there. No fuss at all - it just worked with a simple tap of my CC.

[@shou635]

I have a 2017 model s 90D with 118k miles. It still performs like new even though range has dropped about 10%.

[@infernoking7504]

Depends on the type of electric motor it may lose some power to bearing wear but if maintained I dont see it losing any.

[@54V4]

Great video as always of to toasters. I’m extremely glad I didn’t go for a full EV and cannot wait to get back to a conventional petrol car from a plugin hybrid.

[@CR71243]

This coverage is awesome - thank you!

[@fboomerang]

In 2014 the Performance Model S was the fastest safest car in the world, even ten years later it's in a class by itself. Here in the US Used Model S often come with free lifetime supercharging. So 0-60 is between 2.6 to 2.9s depending upon the model. Hard to compete with something that was such a revolution. Hope to keep mine for 400k! ++

[@grabir01]

Why did you not post the charge time?

[@migmigjohnson9351]

Or the expected range at 100%. I think this is just meant to be easy to consume for the average non EV owner, because to be fair, they're the most confused out there because of FUD.

[@rtfazeberdee3519]

Didn't he charge them both for 20 minutes?

[@grabir01]

@@rtfazeberdee3519 good question.

[@nmeister67]

A valid comparison IMO as I remember a few years ago, there seemed to be a general consensus that Tesla were up to ten years ahead of the competition (in terms of the EV tech). I wonder how the efficiency figures would stack up on a long run between these two?

[@teitpoulsen7183]

No surprise that a brand new Januar iPace beats a 8 year old 430k mile Tesla model S. But the real point is how well an old EV actually still performs after so much use. Hard to find any ICE CAR that can match after this many miles!

[@johnjackson2349]

From another angle, the tesla should of won all 3 of these tests, instead those miles have really taken its toll especially on the performance as expected

[@TB-up4xi]

I wonder what the warning light in the heads-up display was, some are commenting it says HV fuse needs replacement - reduced power.

[@vhol93]

Cool !

[@teocali]

Next time you do a slalom test in an I-Pace, change to Dynamic Mode. Comfort Mode isn’t supposed to be engaging.

[@italianmaestro3045]

Nice ferrari 430 scuderia 9:08

[@mcunha81]

Model S has chargegate,not sure if it applies to Superchargers only or there was a setting update,to prevent something that Tesla never told us. All I know is I had a 2014 model s p85,and charging went from around 120kw, to around 90 to 100kw..even after the battery was replaced with a 90 pack

[@jeffreyt02]

400k miles is NUTS! Any car that passen 400k miles is a winner in my book

[@Gdank72]

Tesla's 0-60 times are based on a rollout time, so always 0.2 to 0.3 seconds out from a standard testing equipment.

[@propertyindhaka8678]

Its better to buy a 2/3 year used car.. 30% money saved

[@jobbybaps]

I had one of those Jags for work it was only 3 years old and one of the cells died and had to be replaced it took months to get repaired.

[@_que]

The only time a Jag was victorious when compared to a ~10 year car... appreciate the comparison, thank you.

[@AlexanderTolmar]

Performance is still good but efficiency/range and charging speed is subpar. I own one and love it but cross continental journeys are pain in the back side.

[@sageakporherhe783]

The Ipace is still in production?

[@johnw65uk]

They’ve just revised it this year. The new grill or lack of grill is one clue it’s the new version.

[@SDK2006b]

Old EV's work fine, including the batteries and motor's ⚡👍 Don't believe the anti-EV clickbait FUD or the Boomers 🤣 Interesting choice on the iPace - evolution🤔 Apart from some small cosmetic changes, it's the same car launched in mid 2018

[@misterdragzon]

Interesting choice to believe electronics from the 2010s are infallible

[@therealchayd]

​@@misterdragzon And the point of your comment is......?

[@Jaw0lf]

Newer Teslas are better than older Teslas, newer technologies as time advances. This includes charging rates and charge curves. All of your tests should have the newer one winning, so no surprise. The amazing part is the fact that a 430,000 mile 8 year old electric car is still performing, no doubt as it was or very close.

[@davewatts7444]

I am confident that my next and last car (I'm 75) will be electric. My head says get a Nero, it will have more warranty than I have got😂 but the Jaguar just makes this old petrol heads smile with contentment 😊 there are I paces for sale for £ 18,000 on autotrader so August it's a Jaguar for me

[@banon7853]

I think it would’ve been fairer if you charged the Tesla on a supercharger designed for it and the ePace on the charger you did use. Like find a location with both nearby. The Tesla’s communication with a generic charger isn’t as dynamic as with a supercharger. We might have had a different outcome.

[@TheWikipediaOrg]

So a brand new Jag barely managed to keep up with an old beaten up Tesla? :D

[@electronicsaxman1]

Would it really have been that hard to put the SOC at 100 to do the 0-60 test? Seems like a really basic and fundamental thing to do to see how much it has degraded over time.

[@jghall00]

Love our I-Pace, but Jaguar hasn't really updated the vehicle. It should though. Apart from charging speed and range, its still competitive.

[@grabir01]

It still shifts?

[@PsychicOracle]

I think that British slang for “this thing still goes,” like “shift your carcass”

[@dave55s]

Apples for apples ( New vs old Tesla) would have been more scientific/ interesting to view

[@ObiePaddles]

When does it ever happen that you plug in and it just works? Every Tesla charger. Don’t need that contactless card so it’s even quicker.

[@shreeshsaurya4203]

The issue is the battery - how much degradation happens over 5 years, 10 years etc. Manufacturers say they will replace if the battery health goes below 70% etc, but something with say 75% battery life and real-world 60% efficiency is barely 45% of the claimed range.

[@georgemathieson6097]

What's that tune in the conclusion??? it's insane!! 🫶🏼🫶🏼

[@zoemayne]

Regarding the top speed test. We know its not cpmparong apples to apples but the 90D probably had touring R rated tires on. It doesn't make sense to have V rated racing tires on a limo. Especially considering he has to buy at least 2 sets of tires a year. It doesn't make sense to incur that extra expense for racing tires on a work vehicle. I dont think we can contribute the lower speed to the age of the vehicle. I bet with V rated tires we could get close to the top speed of 155.

[@pauldmann1166]

Notice they miss the obvious question.. what’s the range of the Tesla?

[@den-tech-mods]

i like the Jaguar i pace it has normal interior buttons ,also when do Jaguar go all electric

[@dangosypethau]

I suppose a quick answer to your video question will be "hardly". Based on a Tesla test anyway... Would be interesting to test another EV model with half a million miles on the clock. All-in, factoring in the mileages, I suppose the Tesla wins easily.

[@metricstormtrooper]

I don't know who you talked to to say that the Jaguar I pace is well regarded, they've got an abysmal reputation.

[@petronipetroni6841]

How about trying to find a jaguar with 430,000 miles? 😂😂😂

[@robertpawley5715]

Thank you for exposing all the misinformation on EVs

[@youtube2kwatcher]

so that telsa battery will be on it last legs where battery will just fail at any point

[@lumicolour1]

No, that’s not how it works.

[@adriannathaniel4015]

Why compare with outdated software and old tech battery BEV?

[@danielchantrey5890]

@autotrader what do you mean by 80% state of charge? Do you mean the cars overall battery health or do you mean you only had 80% that day when launching?

[@electronicsaxman1]

The latter. They couldn't be bothered to charge it all the way to 100 for this video.

[@KentBuchla]

Please use "quicker" and "faster" correctly. It's confusing and disappointing to hear a respected review state that one is quicker than the other but then quote a top speed.

[@samcoatham2400]

Great vid guys 👍 . So some rubbish on line regarding EV’s

[@JamesM-hb2cj]

The Jag is the most underrated EV on the market, it is fantastic to drive! It’s behind on charging speed and tech, but the driving experience more than makes up for it.

[@VitoProduction]

And for tomorrow episode we are going to compare this Iphone 7S with a brand new Galaxy S23 so can know how well the iPhone 7S ages.

[@simong6855]

Should have tested the old model s against a brand new Citroen ami 🍏🍊

[@cyril_ogude]

“Shock you” I see what you did there

[@001sander2]

I think fast charging is reduced sometimes to prevent damage

[@CollegeVybz]

U should test the tesla on the super charger

[@michaelkhalil8296]

just bought a i5 on Autotrader 👍🏽👍🏽

[@johnlush9141]

Why wouldn't you have it fully charged for the 0-60, you're putting too many variables in for it to be a comparison

[@IpsensFury]

Hear me out. I'm pretty sure the chargers share power. A better representation for the charging test should have the cars at two different units? Please someone correct me if I am wrong.

[@jasonlong3455]

Why not find a 200k mile ICE and compare current performance including efficiency versus factory fresh?

[@isaiah123456wp7]

OMG!!! A youtuber remembered the I-Pace!!!

[@DB25k]

Wonder how much per kwh cost was for Appletreewick?

[@markdance574]

I’d suggest it’s not the higher end vehicles that are the concern it’s the cheaper low end Nissan Vauxhall etc that I wouldn’t trust pre owned just because those vehicles are starting off with much cheaper tech. What would be great to see is 3 key models each with say a 1 yr old version and a 4 yr old version , across cars like Tesla , Porsche , Audi , Vauxhall , Nissan , MG

[@owenmcdonald5922]

Slalom test. Surely the Jaguar is more comfort orientated.

[@nextechsolutions5955]

The fact that you needed to compare a new Jaguar to an eight year old used Tesla tells the whole story. Keep up the good work Tesla.

[@mrmawson2438]

not bad 4.4

[@stevencampbell1150]

I dunno why they didn't use a new Tesla instead of a jaguar plus its obvious that the Jag won't handle as well since its got a higher centre of gravity.

[@crispy4803]

I've been wanting this type of test for ages mi have an EV motorbike and performance drops off as charge decreases also agree why use two seperate car models?!

[@SusieSmart]

What I’d like to see is the Model S vs a BMW 5 series, Audi A6 or Jag XF with 430,000 miles on the clock.

[@sugarsaint]

What's wrong with the Teslas top speed? Seriously 43mph lost ?

[@ObiePaddles]

I’d love to see a 300 mile face off to see which does it quickest.

[@Future-Classic-Comics]

Why not get a top level spec, really old model S, to compete against a as new buget model 3?!

[@TheYBGOON]

I pace also been around 6 years. Maybe old I pace vs old tesla

[@Ulricdabe]

Well guys, your serie started well with first 2 episodes, but what's the point to compare with a different ev, don't get it. Missed opportunity.

[@devildog832916]

I'm glad to see more EV content. Thx

[@vladimiralexandrov5930]

Tesla has a fault indicated. “Battery fuse requires replacement”. How about you fix the car first and maybe re-do the tests?

[@therealchayd]

It's not a performance-affecting issue, it's just he backup battery in the pyro (emergency HV disconnect) fuse is running low, so needs to be replaced. More of a safety issue than anything.

[@maxtorque2277]

Can be be clear, a "worn motor bearing" cannot cause a measurable reduction in performance! A typical rotor bearing has a loss measured in single figure watts ie, say 2.5w. A worn one, either has no measurable effect on the vehicles performance (doubling the loss to say 5w in a car with 300000 watts is of course, irrelevant) or if it is really worn, it will overheat a seize. The ACTUAL reason an old EV has a slightly lower maximum performance than when new is because the batteries internal resistance has increased, so when you pull full current, the pack voltage sags by a larger amount, and power is directly proportional to pack voltage. As pack current is proportional to motor power and not motor torque, this has a larger effect at high vehicle speeds. A double whammy occurs as a result of the saggin voltage decreasing the CPSR threshold, requiring a greater proprtion of field weakening which also reduces effective power output of the motor

[@augustineigbele9477]

First love from Nigeria.🇳🇬

[@manup1931]

New CATL Battery for commercial vehicles has a 1 million miles guaranty.

[@ATomRileyA]

Its not the mileage that is the problem, its the fact that all lithium batteries age even if just sitting on a shelf, most cheap ones last about 4 years with some of the better ones lasting 10years. Just look at your old phones and how quickly they are trash when the battery is dead. Also with the limited amount of easily mined lithium the prices will only go up.

[@rogerphelps9939]

@@ATomRileyA Wrong. Phone batteries are charged to 100% and completely discharged so that the manufacturer can claim the longest running time on a charge.The lifespan of a typical mobile phone is only a few years before the owner ditches it for something new so it does not matter. EV s protect their batteries from abuse and cosset them. Therefore they will last much longer. Regarding lithium, it will be recycled; there is a Tesla battery recycling facility right next to one of is car plants. Regarding the availability of lithium ir is one of he commonest constituents of he Earth's crust. At present it is very cheap . Reserves have not been fully explored. We are in no danger of running out of lithium.

[@ricco123tube]

​@@ATomRileyAcomparing a phone battery to an EV battery is a sure sign that someone has no clue about battery chemistry and management systems.

[@lachlanB323]

@@ATomRileyA An ev isn't a phone. That's a dumb comp. Not only is the battery chemistry different (Phones use a VERY high cobalt amount) but the way they're used is very different. With a phone you often charge it to 100% everyday until it dies so that is 100% to 0% everyday 365 days a year. With an ev you lose like... 10? 15? Maybe 20% if you drive a lot daily. You keep it at 80%, its thermal system is very well managed when charging unlike phones which have very little control often degrading the battery. On the shelf for 4 years? Who does this? You would seriously leave your car idle for 4 years? Imagine doing that with your petrol car lol.

[@lachlanB323]

@@ATomRileyA Fun fact: Gasoline if left for 3-6 months will acquire to much water to combust. Among many other issues. You should use your car weekly!