Are vegan children shorter than omnivores?!

Are vegan kids shorter than vegetarians and omnivores?! Recent study reports vegan children are shorter than omnivores or vegetarians. A look at the science of diet & child growth
are vegan kids shorter than omnivores?
new study looked at children eating vegetarian, vegan or omnivore diets. vegan kids were shorter than omnivores
vegans had less fat mass, lower cholesterol, lower vit D and b12 and were 3cm shorter than omnivores
no significant difference in height in the vegans if statistics are done. lower cholesterol in vegans still holds so main conclusion of the paper is that vegans have better cardiovascular profile
cause: vegan diet itself?
Less than half of vegans took b12 supplements. almost a third of vegans weren’t getting b12. only a 3rd of vegans were supplementing vitD. iron status of the vegans was also lower
if a vegan diet is planned properly, with b12, do we still see a height difference?
finland: vegans, vegetarians, omnivores. b12 intake was similar. actual b12 levels in the body adequate in all groups. iron status did not differ between vegans and omnivores
height: vegans fell in normal range; most vegetarians; most omnivores
normal height in vegan kids with appropriate b12
Germany: most vegans supplemented b12. average height was not different between vegans and omnivores
they conclude: vegetarian and vegan diets can ensure normal growth
also Germany: 88% of vegans supplemented b12, 54% supplemented vitD
prevalence of supplementation of B12 higher than Polish study
active b12 in the blood: no significant difference between vegans and omnis
most vegans getting their b12. no elevated risk for iron deficiency in vegetarians or vegans. no significant difference in height between 3 groups
older studies: some look at vegan children with intake of energy, calcium, and vitamin D below recommended amounts; conclude vegan diet can support normal growth
bottomline: 1) majority of kids on vegan/vegetarian diet appear to be of normal height
most recent studies show no differences in height between vegans vegetarians and omnivores
American academy of nutrition and dietetics: appropriately planned vegetarian and vegan diets are healthful, appropriate for all life stages
British dietetics assoc: well planned vegan diets are appropriate at all ages
Germany: insufficient evidence. don’t recommend vegan diets in pregnancy and children
France: vegan diet not recommended for infants, children and adolescents
omnivore kids: high LDL-c. omnivore kids: 14% of calories from saturated fat. vegans = 6% and vegetarians = 10
whether you're omnivore or vegan, doable to keep saturated fat under control
Vegetarian kids: lower b12 and vitD than omnivores.
b12 a vegan thing? vegetarians eat animal products.
Iron, milk & eggs are not good iron sources.
vegetarians: not the best cardiovascular profile. vegetarians ate more processed foods
vegan diets for kids. Take a b12 supplement
Sometimes vegans are too reliant on just fruits and vegetables.
omega 3s, DHA and EPA. vegan sources include algae and algae supplements
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0:00 New study: vegan kids are shorter
5:11 Red flags
7:08 Finnish study of vegan kids
8:58 1st German study of vegan kids
10:09 2nd German study of vegan kids
12:27 Older studies
14:52 Takeaways from the studies
17:14 Expert official positions
20:36 Tips for omnivore kids
22:30 Tips for vegetarian kids
25:05 Tips for vegan kids
Disclaimer: The contents of this video are for informational purposes only and are not intended to be medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment, nor to replace medical care. The information presented herein is accurate and conforms to the available scientific evidence to the best of the author's knowledge as of the time of posting. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions regarding any medical condition. Never disregard professional medical advice or delay seeking it because of information contained in Nutrition Made Simple!.
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[@PlantChompers]

This episode saved me days of research and I don't think I would have emerged as informed even after those days. The German study you referred and Avi Bitterman's live stream were gold too. Thank you so much. It was clear, funny, rational, everything I could have hoped for.

[@MetallicAddict15]

My two favourite nutrition channels interacting with one another, I love it. Keep up the great work guys.

[@scvzthebull8294]

@@MetallicAddict15 same... i've known for a long time now that plant a based diet is the way to go, but sorting through the bullshit on the internet is a sisyphean task. Greeting from Poland btw.

[@metalWarriorCZ]

love your sense of humor :D Thanks for information.

[@waynegolding3184]

I love the shout out to Avi! He is the one who referred me to your videos! I now only follow you both when it comes to unbias science!

[@jakobw135]

Your presentations are just terrific Dr Gil And highly informative too! Kudos to you! 😁

[@maximilianpralle9146]

Great video ! A video on different sweeteners would be amazing :) Erythritol, Xylitol, Stevia, Sucralose etc. Keep up the good work !

[@berelopez6098]

Thank you as always! very objective facts to inform us all. Greetings from Mexico!

[@MukulVyas5]

Awesome video doc. Your videos are just like a well balanced and nutritionally adequate diet with the right ingredients. Vital and solid information, science and studies, right advice, sufficient analysis and a pinch of great humour. Perfect recipe. 😁 P.S. Accent game on point 🔥

[@ItsJordaninnit]

Thanks for making this 👍

[@karentodd2678]

Love your channel. It’s been so informative. I’m a retired dietitian and still like to learn all the newest and most well studied information.

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I really appreciate what you do and how you do it!! 🙏💪🌱☀

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[@NutritionMadeSimple]

ft. my evil twin

[@harku123]

@@NutritionMadeSimple That's something the EVIL twin would say!

[@Heintjoo]

great content. yet again. Thanks Gil

[@5unshineBear]

Always! I get exicited like a little puppy waggy her tail hahaha

[@smorgdonkey]

This is the best nutrition channel on KZbin

[@richardkremmen7811]

Awesome and extremely important vid. This is helping a lot of young parents I bet.

[@RiDankulous]

Margaret has to cook two types of meals!!!! But seriously, the method you used to demonstrate the silliness of randomizing some types of study ideas is excellent and entertaining.

[@prankmasterfidgetspinnerem9869]

Can you please make a video on nutritional supplements? As a vegan, you often get negative reactions to supplements. They are said to be bad or should not be part of a "proper" diet.

[@ponnamy]

Please read the book " Becoming Vegan: The Complete Reference to Plant-Based Nutrition (Comprehensive Edition) by Brenda Davis, RD and Vesanto Melina, MS RD for proper vegan nutrition guidance before becoming a vegan. Happy vegan journey!

[@someguy2135]

As always, he covered the subject thoroughly, and objectively. Well done! My only complaint? We never got to hear the British accent.

[@NutritionMadeSimple]

i'll work on it :)

[@someguy2135]

@@NutritionMadeSimple I wasn't serious about the British accent, of course. I hope you weren't either. :)

[@tullochgorum6323]

Even if vegan kids were in fact a couple of cm shorter, what's the implication? If they lead healthier and longer lives than omnivores, as most of the meta-studies conclude, would you trade that away for a couple more cm of height? Are people who are slightly taller happier, or more successful, or better partners, friends and parents? In a population where most people are eating badly, is "normal" necessarily better? Would you want to be a "normal" weight it today's obese society?

[@ponnamy]

Well said!

[@RaveyDavey]

Taller men are rated more attractive on average. Taller people tend to earn more. And according to a study from the National Bureau of Economic Research, yes, they're happier. I would not want my kids to be shorter than they would have been

[@pikapi6993]

yes, height is important to me. muscle mass as well. and a life without supplements, too.

[@5unshineBear]

Thanks for going through every SINGLE study with kids on the vegan diet :) Asian people are short in general not but all are vegans hehe

[@josefprobst3825]

awesome skits! regarding absorption of iron: (24:10) Ferritin in e.g. lentils is absorbed just as good as heme iron, right? And the absorbtion is also not hindered by coffee, right? Greetings from Germany!

[@LeanAndMean44]

Watch Niko Rittenau’s Video about it. “Eisen aus Fleisch ist NICHT besser als auf Pflanzen”

[@mokhles703]

No it is not.

[@hata6290]

@@mokhles703 what

[@jimip9755]

Great video Gil! I'd really appreciate if you could comment on this JACC "state of the art review" from 2020 on saturated fat.They essentially state that foods like dairy and unprocessed meat tend to lead to proportionally greater elevations in large LDL particles compared to small dense particles, and then conclude that the "totality of available evidence does not support further limiting the intake of such foods". Do you think this is a reasonable interpretation of the literature?

[@NutritionMadeSimple]

Hi Jimi. I went through that review in detail when it came out. Particle size is not thought to play a major causal role in CVD. Bulk of the literature points to particle number (we published a video a week or 2 ago going over that). They have many other oversights in that review. I think there's nuance to saturated fat (types, amount etc) but it's pretty clear that high amounts elevate LDL-c/apoB and causally raise CVD risk.

[@LeanAndMean44]

Saturated fat isn’t the only bad thing in “such foods” and heart disease isn’t the only disease that’s linked to consumption of “such foods”.

[@YouCanToday]

Awesome video. Thanks.

[@stellasternchen]

Your German pronaunciation is quite good ;)

[@VLEO]

The names of the German and French scientists are awesome! 😂😂😂 How did you come up with Pflegerschlagenflaskenspruntzenberger?

[@MixedMartialHelp]

Great video, very helpful! Anecdotally, my vegan lad is 2 nearly 3 and people often think he's 5. He's an absolute TANK. From waking to sleeping he has buckets of energy, he's very intelligent and talks in full sentences, most importantly he's happy with great health.

[@jeffreywp]

Very informative video (as usual). Sadly so many vegan KZbinrs love to point out that this diet is adequate if we’ll planned but often fail to have children or have kids who have been raised this way. It is not that easy transitioning kids once they have reached early teenage years. Compounding factors is having picky eaters.

[@RodKruz]

Great video!

[@MegaGreencarebear]

Good overview of the available evidence. I'm raising a tiny vegan and we pay a lot of attention to nutrition. I think it's so important.

[@tobygosling1653]

Another great video

[@krism6260]

The Dutch Voedingscentrum doesnt have a stance on vegetarian or vegan diets the way the German or US have. They just explain "how to". Only when pregnant or lactating they advice to seek guidance from a dietician. Fair enough. What is your stance on the "normal range" for bloodtest? Like you touched upon, the growth chart for solely breastfed babys looks slightly different then the standard growth chart. At some point in time, would it make sense to define new normal ranges for bloodwork when more people past their weaning stage say goodbye to other species' milk in our diets? And the average diet evolves to a more plant based one? Or is this maybe too futuristic to speculate about at this point in time? 😅

[@schuringleon3207]

Maak je geen zorgen, een veganist dieet is veel gezonder voor kinderen. B12, omega 3, vitamine D3 en jodium blijven echter belangrijk

[@carnivoroussarah]

@@schuringleon3207 That sounds like just eat some fish

[@ponnamy]

Dr Gil Carvalho - Doctor, Scientist AND Comedian! A rare combination!

[@schuringleon3207]

Hey I have a question: I know someone who claims she has low blood pressure. On nutritionfacts and other vegan registered dietitians I don't see anyone talking about particular downsides of having it. So are there no downsides to low blood pressure?

[@NutritionMadeSimple]

yes hypotension can be problematic, although it's often secondary to other diseases. there's also postural hypotension which is caused by sudden changes in body position (e.g. standing up abruptly). true hypotension is

[@schuringleon3207]

@@NutritionMadeSimple thanks for responding. What do you mean by 10 or 11? And what are some of these downsides? Do you know of any other video or article where I can read more about it?

[@NutritionMadeSimple]

@@schuringleon3207 100 or 110 mmHg, sometimes referred to as 10 or 11 points. e.g. this article is on orthostatic (postural) hypotension: www.jacc.org/doi/full/10.1016/j.jacc.2018.05.079

[@schuringleon3207]

@@NutritionMadeSimple thank you, so what are the best solutions for hypotension? Simply consuming more salt?

[@nutritionhealthandriskprev6228]

Great stuff.

[@chegobego7930]

Wonderful video

[@MSchipper]

The Dutch 'Voedingscentrum' or Centre for nutrition (or something like that), has very specific recommendations on raising vegan children. They strongly recommend getting help from a pediatric dietician, to supplement with B12 and to make sure children get adequate calcium, iron and vit. D. Their position is that there is not an adequate base of evidence that a vegan diet is adequate for children. The only Dutch study is old and was on children raised on a macro-biotic diet. These children generally were shorter, lighter, less motoric development and less developed bones. That study however, is not linked on the website. Much of their advice is outdated, as far as I can tell. For instance, they say that vegans need to eat 30% more protein than omnivores (because apparently plantbased protein is less bioavailable... sigh), and to combine different sources to get all amino acids. This is outdated; there is no need to get all amino acids in the same meal. No links to any studies to support their claims. In all fairness, they follow the advice from the Dutch Health council, whose latest advice on nutrition is from 2015; in which they specifically recommend the consumption of dairy and fish. The Centre of nutrition advices vegans to use meat- and dairy replacement foods, preferably with added calcium, iron, vit. D and/or B12, like the processed crap you might find in a supermarket. The Belgian Health council came out in 2021 stating that a vegan diet is not suitable for everyone, namely pregnant women and babies. I expect the Dutch Health council to 'update' their recommendations to follow.

[@schuringleon3207]

Uhm ja, dat is wel aardig onzin. De Wageningen universiteit heeft vette anti-vegan bias omdat er grote melkbedrijven zitten die voedingstudies financieren. Als je geen atleet bent, hoef je absoluut niet per se op eiwitten te letten

[@Woppettier]

@@schuringleon3207 Elke Karen kan het benodigde voedingprofiel van een koter met veganistische hapjes goed in kaart brengen en bijhouden, geloofwaardig. Dat begint dus al met geen zicht hebben op wat een kind aan eiwitten nodig heeft

[@mokhles703]

@HI HEY HELLO Yeah. i am certain this is a fact and has actually been proven on the physiological level.

[@schuringleon3207]

Hey I have a question, can you make a video about whether humans are omnivores or something else like herbivores or frugivores?

[@Dantheman-nf9xk]

Definitely omnivores, leaning to carnivores

[@janegarnham]

we are humanvors.... those other vovors a human science lables.....language ...each life form has very individual biology.

[@pikapi6993]

obviously we are omnivores. otherwise we couldn't digest all the food that we are eating. No one can eat everything. Even carnivores like Lions don't eat every type of meat available.

[@geniumme2502]

kind regards from germany :)

[@NutritionMadeSimple]

hallo :)

[@2023betterresearch]

I love the German and French impressions!!!

[@verabeara2106]

is it through lower exogenous growth factors in the vegan diet? like, vegan kids developping NORMAL body sizes, in comparison to the meat&dairy kids with TOO MUCH growth.

[@princedoge4586]

Dr Avi goes into specifics on this study. Best to watch it yourself on Dr Avi’s channel for a detailed analysis

[@GS-lq2is]

So, you claim to know so much about nutrition, and yet you keep advising to take things "with a grain of salt." Do you not know how bad excess sodium is for you??? J/k obviously - thank you for another balanced, informed take.

[@jp7357]

If everyone was shorter could feed and house more people per square ft. Cars and airplanes could move more mini people with less pollution, also, no cancer .. maybe looking at this study from the wrong perspective … just sayin …

[@RaveyDavey]

Houses would not be bigger if people were an inch or two shorter. And veganism does not, by any stretch of the imagination, mean no cancer.

[@Qaeter]

That german was kinda good tbh 😅

[@Atypical_Chad]

I appreciate and approve of my representation.

[@rachelgrig9985]

Informative and hilarious 🤣🤣🤣

[@alysa_kimhomes]

I read that vegetarian and vegan boys may start puberty later because they may have less fat mass and so may grow taller later as well by extending their growth time according to Jonathan Wells, professor of anthropology and paediatric nutrition at UCL?

[@rik80280]

Interesting. This tracks with my experience. My son had his growth spurt later than his peers, but he’s now almost 6’4” (from a tall family on both sides) at 17yo.

[@Jesse47249]

The German and French accent impressions were better than 90% of comedians'!

[@LinusBerglund]

Dude, that German wasn't even half bad. Especially for someone speaking english with an amercian accent :)

[@sehr.geheim]

16:09 you should have used a graph showing the novice popularity of vegan and vegetarian diets instead of a stock photo, it would be more scientific

[@annabaum9482]

I found your channel today...you are really a very likeable guy! :) I don't have children yet but since I'm a vegan, they'll be vegans too. To be a well-informed future mom I started next to my full time Job a study program for vegan nutrition at ecodemy... :)

[@vhs10907]

An excellent video as usual! I do not know if anyone will see this two years later, but I have a problem with the admonition "a well-planned vegan diet." I agree with using it in official statements, that is not my question. The issue is that non-vegan diets get a pass! A large proportion of people are eating poor diets, but because they are omnivores, there is no worry? Many vegans are getting a larger quantity of fruits and vegetables, but the implication seems to be that people eating animal product diets need not worry. Also, I felt there was an insinuation that omnivores are getting Vitamin D from animal products. That is only true of fortified animal products. The same with B12, but I think Gil speaks to that, if not in this video, in the B12 video.

[@EdgeMasterPro]

Short people live longer. Cutting out for instance milk with IGF designed to increase hormones and help cows grow may account for height difference. Sadly short people are much less likely to have an MBA because height is important for employment status and the average Height of those doing an MBA which are normally those who rise to management positions without degrees is over an inch above normal populations.

[@5unshineBear]

an MBA? Master in Business admin? That's an interesting observation lol

[@EdgeMasterPro]

@@5unshineBear many studies showing that mba students are taller than average. Females with lower voices get promoted to management more frequently. Physical characteristics pay. Women you can rate there attractiveness and for matched professions it correlates with income.

[@5unshineBear]

@@EdgeMasterPro true… it must be more testosterone for people in power therefore more growth hormones lol like Tony Robbins.

[@rezlogan4787]

Facts like this fully verify both my cynicism and disrespect of modern professionals. High school popularity never ended at a population scale.

[@monikarathbone3478]

do tall people live longer than short

[@FNorbert]

Hi mate! I have a question..and it will be nice if u make a video about it. I read that plants lose a lot of nutrition after harvest. Its incredible. What do u think about this? How ppl can be healty as vegan if u dont eat fresh plants?

[@LeanAndMean44]

Where did you read it. Please provide a source. It sounds illogical to me. And then it would also not be better eating animals, unless they eat fresh plants…

[@harku123]

Fuckin LOL at that acting at the start!

[@Mrm1985100]

Did they control for their parents height?

[@NutritionMadeSimple]

in most studies they did. good question!

[@Mrm1985100]

@@NutritionMadeSimple I'm asking about the recent study in Poland.

[@NutritionMadeSimple]

@@Mrm1985100 yeah they did

[@Mrm1985100]

@@NutritionMadeSimple Ok, thanks!

[@courag1]

They used to say that breast fed children were not at tall which was true, however their growth into adulthood was totally normal, their immune system worked better and achieved and maintained normal weight much more than those on all those formulas. But what is going to be more significant than height is what percentage of either group was overweight or obese. No, they do not want to do that study as in adults now the only group who statistically maintain a good or ideal BMI, are vegans. Moreover, if they were to measure which group stayed well more than being sick, again the vegans would score high, or if you looked at the learning curve, the vegans would also score higher because they would be in class more than being absent.

[@veganandlovingit]

I agree with that. I went vegan at 5 months pregnant, and my 30 year old son has been vegan ever since. From his birth length we thought he would grow to 6.5" but he is only 6.1"

[@ponnamy]

Hi Synd Joy, are you serious or joking about your son's height?

[@veganandlovingit]

@@ponnamy nope

[@ponnamy]

@@veganandlovingit But 6.1" is still very tall!

[@nitishkumarjurel241]

@@ponnamy who knows maybe she's from Netherlands? Or she could just be using sarcasm to drive home the point that vegan children are not necessarily shorter in height you know.

[@sublimelime8873]

Can you please do a video on the sugar in fruits and whether it makes people fat?

[@lily-zv2fb]

Its a calorie surplus and senditarity that makes people fat

[@terrykrow7820]

So easy to get nutrition from meat, you need to plan ahead when just eating plant based diets... bloody complicated when your life is challenging already... nobody has that luxury of time...

[@chegobego7930]

Also I would add iodine to the end. Some health concious vegans will change iodized salt to sea salt or other alternatives, and not eat sea vegetables which can cause mental retardation in pregnancy, or hypothyroidism in children

[@pikapi6993]

that is especially important in Germany. Since the sea salt trend started here, iodine deficiency has increased in Germany.

[@Magnulus76]

Europeans tend to have more regulatory hurdles to supplementation, and might be more unfamiliar with their usage as a result.

[@user-lw8dr6xx8i]

What about the research showing that taller-bigger people have shorter lifespans or they die sooner than smaller people.

[@berwinenzemann3468]

Yeah and taller people bump their heads more often.

[@PhilippeOrlando]

Is there really a study that shows that taller people have shorter lifespans?

[@user-lw8dr6xx8i]

@@PhilippeOrlando yes. taller bigger people die earlier and not because they hit their heads. there's a physiological reason. so if you are short or smaller you have a better chance of living longer.

[@NutritionMadeSimple]

good Q. we'll try to touch on this at some point in the future. it's difficult to untangle whether it's a causal effect. I suspect it may be a proxy. since most recent studies appear to show no difference in height for kids on well-planned vegan diets we left it out, I should probably have touched on it in this video but we thought it was long enough as is :)

[@carinaekstrom1]

@@NutritionMadeSimple Tall adults are said to get more cancers. Yes, please explore.

[@lokitus]

It's a little more than an inch difference. Really not big news.

[@berwinenzemann3468]

Short answer: No they're not.

[@thenewcamelot8873]

not really . Shorter than average is what we are seeing

[@avinashtyagi2]

@@thenewcamelot8873 Again, not, as pointed out in the video, they didn't do statistical correction, when done, there was no statistical difference

[@avinashtyagi2]

@@thenewcamelot8873 Also, I was raised Omni, and I'm below average height, my son is being raised Vegetarian (my Vegetarian wife didn't want to go full vegan until he's old enough to decide for himself), and is well above average height for his age

[@thenewcamelot8873]

@@avinashtyagi2 That's good, but dairy makes a big difference

[@avinashtyagi2]

@@thenewcamelot8873 I had dairy too when I was young though, still well below average height

[@JustAtopRoller]

I am a 15 year old vegetarian and i am 190 cm

[@wendywitchner7401]

My friend’s vegan daughter ( vegan pregnancy) is 5’9” , perfect hair, skin and teeth, athletic and toned and super model good looks🤔

[@jamescalifornia2964]

Short is the new _"tall "_ ... 😃👌

[@YeeLeeHaw]

Great, KZbin's at it again with the removal of comments. Can't even have a comment that the content creator responded to be left alone.

[@LeanAndMean44]

"Can't even have a comment that the content creator responded to be left alone." what do you mean?

[@YeeLeeHaw]

​@@LeanAndMean44 KZbin is filtering comments like crazy now, much more than before. Over half of my comments that I post gets removed either immediently or shortly after, and I have seen multiple other user's post get removed as well. Before it was mostly "spicy" comments that they removed, or they simply shadow banned them, then about a year or two a go they started to detect context more as well, and now they remove any comment at random it seems.

[@LeanAndMean44]

@@YeeLeeHaw ok. sad. I have noticed that too. I still don’t know what you mean about that statement I quoted.

[@YeeLeeHaw]

@@LeanAndMean44 It's just what it says, not even when the video owner himself reponded, the comment is immune to censorship.

[@up2nogod771]

for the algorithm

[@jenm1]

[@dianafalletta2635]

And eat not working to many hours without food

[@jackseve]

Just happened to be coincidence. Doesn’t equate to omnivores grow more and are taller. There are other genetic factors in DNA that determines height, weight , body build and other factors.

[@californiaplant-basedeater2761]

What about the theory that plant-based eating while young, or just soft food-eating while young, can lead to adult teeth growing in all crooked and out of place?

[@MSchipper]

Well... there you go...confounding factors :) plant-based eating does not necessarily equate to just soft food-eating. Unless there is evidence that all omnivore children strengthen their teeth by gnawing on bones, there is no basis to assume a plantbased diet would be the cause of crooked teeth later in life.

[@californiaplant-basedeater2761]

@@MSchipper Come on. Plant based eating is clearly eating much softer food than ripping apart and munching on other animal meat. Beans, tofu, etc... You didn't even offer any evidence, just saying the theory is wrong. I didn't mean baby foods and apple sauce.

[@LordFuzzandBeak]

@@californiaplant-basedeater2761 Raw carrots are soft? News to me. Broccoli, Cauliflower, Celery, radish - so many hard, crunchy vegetables. Human jaw construction is made for grinding down food, not cracking through bones like a carnivore (completely different jaw hinge and musculature). The cells in the jaw respond to pressure, but it looks to be relatively standard pressure - nothing extreme, so doesn't have to be anything more than the act of chewing vigorously, which is about the same between raw veg and meat. So long story short, make sure the kiddies exercise their jaws on hard food, whatever kingdom your food preferences fall into. Incidentally, I think the toughest thing I've ever chewed was a well cooked king oyster mushroom.

[@LordFuzzandBeak]

@@californiaplant-basedeater2761 In all responsibility I should add that hard foods like vegetables and meat are conceptually considered a choking hazard for children, though in actual data I think hot dogs are the prime cause of fatal choking in children and red meat in adults (in the US). So maybe being hard to chew is not an unalloyed good after all.

[@californiaplant-basedeater2761]

@@LordFuzzandBeak All right, I looked it up myself. The theory is that our jaws got smaller once we created tools to cut up other animals into small pieces, which led to less chewing. Then without as much room, the teeth just tend to go astray. I saw something somewhere about a high chewing village people somewhere where all their teeth were very straight, though. (You're mentioning strange things like feeding babies hard foods, and chomping through bone?? Kids start losing teeth at like 8 to 9, so there's like 4-5 years in there for chewing. Then chomping through bone. I don't know anyone who does that. I know that our teeth are "omnivorous" teeth.

[@pedromiranda1000]

You forgot to make the impression of the typical Portuguese Zé Pevinho complaining about everything xD

[@niloufarhedjazi7329]

Taller doesn’t mean healthier..

[@dianafalletta2635]

I’m German just to funny and iam vegan 🌱. So you right. I noticed myself you have to use supplements. But what Ex vegan say oh I feel weak and I have brain fogs. It’s because they trying actually to hard. You need Beyond meat burgers , tofu and supplements. Not just coucous and quinoa. And fruits and veggies 🥕. And carbs

[@paulmaxwell8851]

Even if it were true that vegans are shorter than omnivores, it is important to remember that height is a risk factor for several cancers. No, I'm not kidding. Tall adults suffer significantly more cancer, and cancer deaths, than shorter adults. This has been known for a few years now, but is rarely ever discussed.

[@stan8926]

The obsession with height! Humans height increased in the last centuries , did it not? For all the wrong reasons? It is not like we evolved to be tall as of now the last hundreds of thousands of years as an evolutionary advantage.

[@hugh.g.rection5906]

a healthy, well balanced diet is much more beneficial for a persons health than a poor, malnourishing diet. stunted growth, obesity, malnourishment and brittle bones are just a few things that vegans and others with poor diets could expect.

[@LeanAndMean44]

Did you even watch the video? A vegan diet doesn’t have to be poor.

[@hugh.g.rection5906]

@@LeanAndMean44 i never said it did. im just stating the fact that those on a well balanced diet containing meat have less chance of facing health issues than those that are on vegan diets.

[@LinusBerglund]

The Swedish National Food Agency (which is the government body that issues dietary guidelines) says that vegan food for kids needs to be supplemented with the usual things, and that it otherwise is fine.

[@pikapi6993]

The German one still doesn't recommend it, because they say that the new evidence isn't enough to be sure.

[@Julottt]

And at worst, what is the problem of being few cm shorter, asians are shorter on average. Most omnivore abnormally ingest growth hormone anyways.

[@hugh.g.rection5906]

malnourishment leads to stunted growth

[@Julottt]

@@hugh.g.rection5906 Are normal japanese and chinese malnourished?

[@DJAZfake]

@@Julottt If they were vegans, maybe they would be even shorter.

[@DJAZfake]

@@Julottt And lots of Chinese children are malnourished too.

[@katzensindweich3505]

😆

[@Jayjayjimbo64]

You’re just mad Portugal was knocked out 😂😂😂

[@tarzanautowala6506]

In india , the wealthy vegetarians are usually as tall as the meat eater or even taller. I think its because they are able to afford different varieties of vegetarian foods , that get them all the nutrition they need to grow. Im a non vegetarian, my height comes in the 94th percentile in mens height in india , im 5'10". Its just easier to get nutrition from meat as compared to plant based , its just more expensive. There are some vegetarians i know who are 6' and above , they are all rich dudes. My friends who are vegetarian are 5'7 on average some even shorter .

[@gabrielleglenn4307]

My vegan baby is so tall! She’s almost 2, I was vegan even when pregnant with her so she has never had and animal products period. She’s always been very tall for her age. But those are her genetics, my husband’s family is very tall. We give her a milk that has all of these needed micro nutrients. Thankfully she loves it so she is always getting everything she needs and when she’s picky about her food I don’t have to worry too much. Though I do try to feed her a variety of fruits and vegetables.

[@Woppettier]

The message of this video absolutely fails at maintaining a principle of safety and restraint with beginning that a 3 cm difference isn't even significant because of multiple comparisons. No matter the rest, this already shows the immense bias towards this topic. Height, is not a long term survival trait. It is a trait to portray fitness and therefore increases selection of mates and helps with procreation. Heart disease is a long term survival trait, safe for inborn defects, something most worry about after their 50s. Dense nutrition is good for short term survival and procreation. Maybe a lot better would have been to point at the dangers when choosing a vegan diet and do a much more careful comparison than looking at two micronutrients. After adolescence, height cannot be changed, heart disease risk can.

[@pikapi6993]

this is probably part of the reason why the german nutrition society has not changed their position regarding vegan diets for certain groups, even after reviewing the studies mentioned in the video.

[@Lozwave]

go to plant based news, nemai delgado

[@angelisvegan5826]

Yeah.. how did you know that I was short.. I'm a 15 years old girl and I stand at 6 feet... How do you know that I was looking for a video to get taller and become a sky scraper one day..

[@carinaekstrom1]

What bothers me is the assumption that omnivore diets automatically are safer than vegan diets when it should be obvious how unsafe omnivore diets usually are, and that they really can't be followed safely when the proportion of animal products is as large as it normally is.

[@carinaekstrom1]

@@thedoc5848 It's impossible to eat a well balanced omnivore diet, unless you eat extremely small amounts of animal products and take supplements. So you might as well be vegan.

[@thedoc5848]

@@carinaekstrom1 what? An omnivore diet provides every essential nutrient in abundance. How is that not balanced?

[@carinaekstrom1]

@@thedoc5848 It does not have fiber, it has too much of certain compounds and too little of others, it causes atherosclerosis and other chronic diseases, and probably cancer.

[@carinaekstrom1]

@@thedoc5848 Some people call fiber a nutrient, because it's a nutrient for our gut bacteria that turn it into important nutrients for us. It may not be essential to survival, but it definitely is for long term health. Same thing with meat. You can survive for a long time on an omnivorous diet, but for long term health you need to avoid meat. As well as over processed foods of any kind. Meat with its saturated fat is very damaging to the endothelial lining and causes inflammation. There are hundreds of studies on it, here's just one, how can you not know this?: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4315380/

[@carinaekstrom1]

@@thedoc5848 Did you not see the link? Saturated fat causes cholesterol to go up, etc. People have been killing each other for a very long time and it's still not good for us. That we eat a lot of bad stuff for a long time doesn't mean we have fully adapted to it. Any child or adult that is not getting the right nutrients will suffer. Just give them the right nutrients and keep them on a vegan diet. That will give them the best results. And there's plenty of research on how beneficial fibre is, that's why the guidelines recommend we eat at least twice as much as we normally do. Which is just a minimum requirement and still way too little for optimal health. If you want to speak of ancestors they were often getting 10 times as much fibre as people do on modern omnivore diets.

[@fisch0182]

Even if they are shorter, they would catch up later

[@evappp3009]

i went vegan 4 years ago and was vegetarian all my life before that i’m now an almost 14 year old girl who is 5’8 and growing i’m a lot taller than my mum and now taller than my dad so it’s not genetics either

[@evappp3009]

@@larryputra3692 😂😂 i want to keep growing but i think i’ve stopped

[@crapdrun7012]

Yeah, I have been vegetarian since I was 7 and went vegan 8 months ago. My father is 178 cm tall, but I grew to be 183. Weird stuff.

[@miguelespejel2462]

Should be: are herbivore children shorter than omnivores. It isn't ridiculous enough?

[@LeanAndMean44]

No, because a herbivore child would be an ape or something. Or do you want to turn a human child into a herbivore?

[@miguelespejel2462]

@@LeanAndMean44 isn't what vegans are doing? Turning human omnivorous kids into herbivores?

[@Julottt]

@Bill T Yeah humans have been qualified of omnivore by long time habits not by physiology, we are great primates so have an herbivore anatomy and more precisely frugivore like bonobos who share 99% of our DNA.

[@LeanAndMean44]

@@miguelespejel2462 no , that’s not possible. They would have to genetically modify their children. They feed omnivorous children herbivorous diets, and society puts active children in schools on chairs, and „Night Owls“ have to wake up early to keep up with work and everything. Just because something is unnatural it isn’t bad. Some children, more than now, wouldn’t even survive that long if it weren’t for midwifery and midwifes.

[@miguelespejel2462]

@Bill T herbivores have a fermentation chamber in their digestive track where microorganisms are cultivated. There cultivated microorganisms are then dumped into an acid bath found within the digestive track where those microorganisms are killed and digested. This is where herbivores get their fat and protein. Where in the human digestive track do we have a machinery to grow and digest microorganisms? Gorillas can and that's why their diet is incredible high in fat and protein; we humans don't have that ability because we are clearly not herbivores. Yes we can survive as one for to our technology and scientific advancements. We can get B12 from just a pill, we can get all kind of plants from around the world to get various nutrients, sea and land plants, and high protein plants that are difficult to get. Etc.