Are You a Real Indian? -what is blood quantum?

Many guests have questions about "native ancestry" or how manny great great grandmothers you need to be considered native.
Others are aware that the only info they have is wrong, but dont know how to fix it!
this video is for those who are interested in history, education, or just want to learn a little more about your indigenous neighbors!
It's important to recognize that this video only represents my views and understanding of blood qauntum, and not ALL native people's mindset!
check out talonsilverhorn.com to learn more about me and my work, and while you're at it, continue to search for indigenous artists online!

[@AustinH42]

Great topic and I like the new set up Talon 👏🏼🗣

[@Tunga05]

Good job man, keep it coming.

[@Mwwright79]

You touched on something here that I think many people miss and that is the sovereignty of the tribal nations being in essence their own country inside the borders of the United States. Most people, especially people that live in states where tribal prominence is not common, have not ever heard this other than an hour spent on it in grade school.

[@pagongtagi6124]

Happy Puthandu to our Indian friend. May the new year brought happiness and prosperity to you and your family.

[@esorealismmegin1923]

Skennen’kó:wa kenh, Talon Silverhorn? Very informative, man. Niawen’kó:wa.

[@Luci_S]

Southern Native here (Mexico), and I would like to add to the last point you made. I respect that political and racial classification are the isn't or is when it comes to self-identification. The qualifiers (let alone stereotypes) of what is or isn't an "indian/native" will apply to different parts in the U.S. and other countries. If I come to the U.S., and because of the political association tribes/nations/citizens have with the U.S. is what makes one an Indian/Native. However, I would fall in the isn't because not only do I lack these things (lineages/connections with tribes in the U.S. and all), but I would still consider myself a self-identifying native/indigenous on the basis of Racial Classification: The reason why some people would consider me "native" and others "non-native" and define me by something else "mixed/hispanic/latino" which are insulting terms of categorical thinking/stereotypes is because they will say I have "an Spanish Ancestor" (Spain/Iberia) while I do not actively participate and have nothing to do with the Spanish Crown (other than understanding the language). Unfortunately, these are the identity struggles that many southern natives like myself go through each day: The ability to self-identify and embrace the one side that I grew up in (native/indigenous). To make a point straight, I embrace my culture/heritage through racial classification (not political association). However, I would gladly put my northern family ahead of myself to not only support their causes, but help improve their communities.

[@davidmurphy6884]

Great video. Subbed

[@riseup97]

I support Indigenous autonomy and sovereignty 100%.

[@chucklearnslithics3751]

A solid technical answer.

[@empressspace8110]

Iam native American. But iam not signed up with a tribe. And so many other natives think iam only interested for a check. And I can care less about the check I just want to learn about my native American heritage and be apart of my native American brother and sisters . Iam passionate about being and showing who iam . It's important to me

[@whitebuffalo5977]

I too fall into this bracket. I say we are from the stars which is where we return. Our solo journey is to learn our life lessons and embrace what creator has given at birth and walk our path in sovereignty and peace 🦋

[@roycehuepers4325]

I call us the Lost Ones. We're a lot more common than people think. Unfortunately Trail of Tears and those "schools " are common reasons why. I think some estimates place about 80% of Americans are of the Lost Ones

[@josephangle]

Nobody stopping you from learning about "your heritage" do t gotta be registered for that do ya?

[@PanSaltzCaballeratos]

Perfectly explained. New sub here.

[@cl4ytub3]

Good video. So many blanks to fill in, but excellent introduction. You didn't say what is in the Peace Pipe ;)

[@e.v6134]

This question breaks my heart. I feel so connected to it in my heart yet the blood quantum thing is always thrown out there. Idc in 2021 where ppl "identify" as whole different genders, i will claim my native heritage.

[@omsonmn_inde6978]

did you grown up native

[@momslayer66]

@@omsonmn_inde6978 shes probably like 1/128

[@shadowwolf9544]

Osiyo As a native American this warms my heart too hear people actually cherish us.

[@chancethewrapper3557]

​@@omsonmn_inde6978 I didn't grow up indigenous I had to hunt through family records and risk being disowned it is really frustrating to be treated as if I'm less than for not being brought up into lost culture I have fallen in love with. You know what I mean?

[@erenjaeger1738]

You all aint white pasing. You're just white in general

[@maliahsilverhorn1540]

I like the new style of video!!!

[@nativeandindigenuscraftcre433]

Hi thanks for sharing this subject matter and i like that you speading culture and history of indigenous people i am doing the same thing on KZbin bot so must hisory but us has people thanks again and good luck with everything

[@Mwwright79]

You are a bright and well spoken young man. You are doing good.

[@briandvictor2239]

Very nice Talon. I have dark skin. But I have a lot of caribbean native indian in the blood. My mix is caribbean indian and african. I also love nature, I hunt with bow and arrow.

[@karlos_infamous]

Hi, i just have a question. Many mixed, white-passing Natives always introduce themselves as by only their Native identity; they deliberately omit saying their white European ethnicity. Is this common among mixed Natives? To only introduce one's Native background? I just think it confusing because their appearance don't match the ethnicity they say they are. They just say "I'm Choctaw" but they will never say "I'm mixed Choctaw, English, Irish and German".

[@talonsilverhorn8041]

Hito! So this is actually a question I get a lot from guests. The difference lies in our understanding of what makes you "native". Traditionally you don't see a concept of a "mixed" person, because their identity rests entirely in their citizenship, rather than genetics. So when someone says "I'm choctaw" they're actually telling you nothing about race, and everything about their legal citizenship to a country. So it is becoming more common for native folks to use a singular identity as we try to move away from the racial standards of the U.S.

[@karlos_infamous]

@@talonsilverhorn8041 thanks so much for explaining 👍. so i guess this is more of a cultural thing because most/other people use their race as their identity. just to share, one time i encountered this girl from Alaska and she said she was Native - and I was confused cuz she had pale skin, freckles, bluish-grey eyes and light brown hair - obvious European-descent features. And as we discussed her ancestry, it turned out she was 1/4 Iñupiaq and the rest was European descent (Swedish and English).

[@calliew311]

I agree with Talon but I also have a different POV. I'm white passing and obviously have some European blood in me, even though I'm a bit over 80% indigenous, Washo, Paiute and Chippewa. However, both of my parents were born and raised on diff reservations. I was raised with my Native family, went to headstart on the reservation, and didn't have white friends until I went to kindergarten. I don't even know what European blood is in my heritage. Honestly. Both my mom and my dad's side have people who married white, but that's further back then we can find out, and their sons and daughters married native, so it's almost impossible to find out where my 19% white blood came from. We are from the West Coast, so we didn't have white intervention until the late 1800s, and by the time reservations came and stuff we were relatively unbothered, and we can look at rolls and censuses, but once you get to the mid-late 1800s, it will just say their Indigenous name, no last name, and we tried to line up our ancestors by their age and how old they would've been in the census before, trying to find out their Native name, but we can't be sure. For example if my great grandpa was name Jim Thoms and he was 25 in the census in 1900, in 1890 I tried to find a man that was 15 because Jim Thoms didn't have his English name yet and was ten years younger, but a lot of the census, may just say "Indian boy, age 15". So how can you track who they are if there is no name, or there is an Indigenous name that I don't know? For some of us, it's not just saying what citizenship we have, it's because we don't know that white side of our family or where they came from. I think on my mom's side the blood is from a Nordic country, because two of my uncles had a medical problem that affects people from Nordic countries more so than other European descendants.

[@Joseph-zd7kg]

They do this because they get the privilege of being able to pass as white while getting the benefits of being indigenous such as free education, sympathy, easy access to jobs. Big pay because there is a need for indigenous identifying professionals. Lots of benefits. That's the answer. If they came back with the racist colonial laws do your really think white passing indigenous would proudly claim their indigenous heritage? The problem with this is people who look indigenous don't get to switch their race off and their lived experiences is much different then indigenous people who look white. The Indigenous scholarships and retributions are there for people who need it because without it they will be discriminated against. Not for people who are already privileged and white passing.

[@karlos_infamous]

@@Joseph-zd7kg I kinda believe you. I notice that these white-passing Natives will always emphasize to the public their Native American ancestry and that they are a member of a certain tribe/nation but they do not participate in traditional activities like ceremonies, attending powwows or even learn their tribe’s native language. And to top it off, they will say “it doesn’t make me less Native if i don’t do those traditional stuff”.

[@wenjaminbhigham]

What are your favorite 1st person historical accounts of the 1700's? Any journals or biographies you recommend. I have to say that time period never used to interest me as much but I am really getting into it now. Favorite Native accounts you enjoy?

[@stevejenkins9984]

Honestly I would love to know more about Native American archery and hunting techniques. As well as language and how to break it down. I lost my heritage my grandfather was adopted we've never been able to prove or find out which tribe you originated from. Always been a huge? There and I love learning about the subject thanks for what you do!

[@nunaninja]

Great video! Please make more videos about Shawnee history, and if possible history of colonialism in the eastern woodlands. Another video idea that I would love to see is an explanation of the treaty signed between the your tribe and the crown

[@richardclark4580]

I am a fairly new subscriber Talon and am very impressed with you. I have been involved in making bows and arrows for a long time. I also tan deer, squirrel and rabbit hides. I was wondering if you would do some research on bloodtypes within our native communities? I have done enough research to be aware of type "O" blood being considered of native origin as far back as the 1920's. The predominance of O blood in all of the over 500 recognized native American tribes is something to be recognized.

[@blackout4203]

Depends on the accuracy of the base rolls of that particular "Tribe" (Rancheria, Band, Nation or Pueblo) which are nortorious for errors.

[@Texasgirlfromphilly]

I know my ancestors come from accomack va and we're said to be American Indian. I think nanticoke or tribes from the Chesapeake and state of Delaware also. My ancestors go back to early 1600s. On the moody miles the northams and Scott names go back 1600s. Also we're American Indians from Virginia mostly o blood type? Hi from tx

[@blackout4203]

I differentiate between a "Poltical Full-Blood" & a "Genetic Full-Blood" very little if any left in what is now the USA but more prevalent within small communities of Central & South Americas.

[@MasiukA]

In my context up here in Canada, we talk about belonging in the sense of who claims you. If you are claimed by your nation, you are Indigenous. This is largely exchangeable with citizenship, but there are also folk who haven't yet acquired their citizenship who are still fully recognized as part of the community. I am speaking of the Metis Nation here. We recognize each other mostly based on kinship ties, because our kinship and genealogy is very unique and well-documented and played a very significant role in the ethnogenesis and history of our nation.

[@miguelbinha]

Hello, Talon! Forgive me for the off topic question...Do you go all the way to the hard wood on black locust bow making? My black locust here has a lot of sap wood and it really is a chore to get to the hard wood as I've done with my first black locust bow. All the best!

[@talonsilverhorn8041]

That's alright! It's a good question. I would definitely recommend you go all the way to the heartwood when making a black locust bow, it's super elastic and strong. The sapwood can be a little brittle and doesn't have the same density as the heartwood. One tip for removing wood a little quicker and more accurately, start on the corners of your stave!

[@miguelbinha]

@@talonsilverhorn8041 Thank you!!!

[@travissmith962]

My family was Shawnee. So I know where my roots come from. I don’t call myself Shawnee because I did not grow up in that culture and I’m not a citizen of that nation. But I love learning about the culture and would love to get more involved. I just don’t really know where to begin. There doesn’t seem to be a ton of available information online. Would you have any advice about where to really dive into language, music, and overall culture?! Just found your channel and love it man!

[@genevamoore3069]

We have Shawnee tribe ancestors too

[@usnchief1339]

Funny that at some point in time, we were all indigenous to some part of this world. Bottomline, the majority of people are mixed blood. We all need to be happy with who and what we and others are. Just respect and open our minds to what others have to offer us for our own personal growth.

[@I_hate_roads]

If we have majority European blood I think we would benefit by returning to Europe

[@usnchief1339]

@@I_hate_roads see you there

[@sterlingpless9280]

Its like you said ingrained in the culture honestly... Seen people half not ingrained and seen people eighteen percent ingrained

[@Umslopogas666]

Ah - the good old southern “Y‘all“ - unifying vernacular spanning the distance from Native American to crazy Congress Karen speculating about Jewish space lasers 🤣 Greetings from Germany 🙏

[@elijahhilb6518]

My dad's dad was supposedly full Cherokee what does that mean for me if it is true? Which I believe it is

[@seandarke1892]

Just wondering, but do you get goosebumps when you listen to powwow music? I also get a reaction with bagpipes, just wondering if that’s a reaction from the blood listening to the music

[@Martialartskaratetv]

Talom Means Carved in mayan K'iche Language

[@rachellewalters8111]

I am part Seneca indian. I'm not sure what perecentage? I have type-O negative blood....does that mean anything?

[@Ozarkwonderer]

This was informative. Im "white" but i do have a native American heritage threw my mothers side to the Cherokee and i believe osage and choctaw. But beyond that I've always had an interest in the skills and knowledge the Native peoples had and have of there environment and surroundings

[@donaldmack2307]

Same. My mothers grandmother was allegedly 100% Cherokee. Im not exactly sure what that makes me, never tried to "claim" anything. I am "white" based on modern standards. But it is interesting.

[@wolgy4429]

Literally everyone is Cherokee

[@Novabrek]

Regardless of how much or little we are keeping traditions and skills alive I believe is just as important. Dream catcher making, beadwork, respecting nature and the ways of things. I may not know what im made of blood why's but I have experienced native gatherings at U of O in my home state of Oregon. My saying is ( it is what it is). When you keep the spirits alive in the gifts that you give a nation of people rooted like a great forest will stand for times to come. 😁🐺🌲🏕

[@TedH71]

@@wolgy4429 The ironic thing is the original enrolled members were less than 2 thousand people. I believe 1,600 something and people are still claiming they're Cherokee!

[@warpony5654]

You know what sucks is while trying to register with your tribe B.I.A which is not made from Native Americans it is made from the government which still requires blood quantum and lineage and documentation which I have all of that and still have a hard time registering on top of what the tribe request for enrollment as well.

[@jesserush412]

Awesome video !!!!! Im half Cherokee . and our nation has a "one drop law " i heard ??? Meaning the blood amount doesnt count ... I'm pretty much disconnected from the tribe I don't spend much time around anybody I moved far away I actually found your channel because I make self bows and I like watching your bow videos but this one really got me thinking and I was wondering if you could answer my question if that is true the one drop law for the Cherokee Nation my mother was born in Tahlequah Oklahoma and my mother is like 3/4 Cherokee 1/4 German so I'm not really fully half the other half of me is Irish and I think some Cree from the Canadian fur trapping era anyways I would love to hear your thoughts on this one drop law I heard it had something to do with the Cherokee buying slaves and freeing them and making them part of the tribe

[@aaa587]

I wouldn't call it a one drop law because that excludes certain Cherokees like the Cherokee Freedmen and their descendants. I belong to the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma and what we have, as well as the others of the big 5 tribes in Oklahoma, is no minimum CDIB requirement. Or an easier way to think of it, we care about lineal descent, not blood quantum.

[@calliew311]

I agree with the other commenter. The one drop law was more based on slaves. If you had 1 drop slave blood, then you were considered black. The 5 civilized tribes use descendancy for enrollment. Meaning that if your grandmother was on their rolls, then you qualify, and all your descendants will qualify no matter if no one ever marries Native, because it's in your ancestry. This keeps tribes strong because they are not excluding members based on lack of blood. My tribe, is made up of 3 diff Native nations, Washo, Paiute and Shoshone. My tribes requirements say you have to be at least 1/4 of one type of those I mentioned, not a mix. This is terrible because Paiutes are marrying Washo, etc so the blood is mixed and we are breeding out our own tribe, excluding cousins, nieces, nephews and grandchildren. We are trying to change it to 1/4 of any of those bloods mixed.

[@SinnerforChrist]

As a Sioux Native, I would say your still a wasicu man

[@raymondalvarez3250]

Every day is a blessing to know our heritage. I'm doubly blessed= 14 percent Japanese and 47 percent Native American. Traced my heritage to the Chumash people and still searching. Best wishes to you.

[@davidluther3955]

INTERESTING GOOD PRESENTATION,NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND EVERY THING YOUR TALKING ABOUT.WOULD YOU CANTINUE TALKING MORE ON SUBJECT? I WILL SUBSCIBE TO YOUR CHANNEL TO LEARN MORE.

[@josiahbrenton7531]

I have a question, what if you belong to an off shoot tribe, that’s unfederaly recognized, I’m from the Tortuga white mountain Apache tribe, we’re not recognized, and I’ve lived all my life without a card or anything of the sort, I guess I’d be on the other side of the fine line 😂 but I’m still curious, I’ve struggled with this all my life, and found KZbin isn’t really helpful, and to make matters worse my father was Caucasian while my mothers side was Apache, we’ve just kinda lived alone in this town of about 350 people, I’ve learned the ceremony’s and all I can about the old ways , and everything my grandpa has passed down to me, I’m now 20 years old, and still struggling with this identity problem, all I get from people is to be proud of what Blood I have, and I am, but it hurts when other native people look down on you or treat you bad for both being an unrecognized tribe, and having a white father, any advice at least ?

[@Zahirabdullah5-2]

Read about the blood drop and u will find out

[@divestedkonservativekarame4269]

you know I just feel so confused about native American blood I don't even know what to think of it. In my situation. I have so many different aspects to it. Like for one I was raised where my mother looked at my dad and said he kind of looked influenced by native American blood. Now my mother really never knew much about my father's ethnic background. So this was just going off of looks. And then my mother took me to a pow wow when I was like seven and I think she took me to a pow wow twice. When I was a kid. And for some reason when I was a kid I recognize that there might be a connection here. So then as time went on. My mother said they always claim native American but my mother always said there was no native american. And she was right they have no native American blood. Then the whole situation with the DNA test. Show that I had native American blood. I assumed it was from my mother. For a while. And then I realized my mother has no native American blood. And then I realized that none of his mother's side had native American blood. So I was stuck thinking that it had to be for my grandpa Walker's side. And then I talked to him about it. And I talked to some of his family members this was even more confusing. Because my my grandfather would tell me that his great grandmother was full blooded native american. And then some of his family members from his father's side. Would say they had native American as well. So I was left with thinking that it was coming from both sides. But that couldn't be because I didn't have enough native American for that. So it only had to be from one side. So that was even another more confusing situation. Then I took a look closer at my native American heritage on the DNA test. I looked and it was only hanging on one chromosome. So I was a whole quarter native American according to my 17th chromosome. But all my other chromosomes had no native American whatsoever. That means one through 16 chromosome no native American whatsoever 18 through 23rd chromosome no native American whatsoever. Only on my 17th chromosome I had native American ancestry. And it wasn't a small amount either it was like a whole 1/4 of my chromosome with native american.So if that's my confusing part to it. I don't know even what the percentage means. Because the estimate is just a percentage that has to do with the divide of all 23 chromosomes. But I'm only inheriting off of one chromosome 25%. So that's why it's so confusing cuz it's like it's only one chromosome that's a quarter? What all the others have no native American ancestry. And it can't be through recombination cuz it's only one grandparent that I have native American ancestry from. All my other grandparents have no native American ancestry. Add it to the confusion I should be 3% native American according to my grandpa. At least. Because his great grandmother is full native american. And then his father it's supposed to have had some native American way back as well. So I should be about 4% maybe native American by that judgment. And I only ended up with 1%. On my whole genome. But if you look at that one chromosome. I'm a whole coordinate of american. All the rest are zero. So that's why I'm very confused. I almost feel like did I just not inherit my native American ancestry properly? And maybe it's closer to in my family heritage then what it's showing up or maybe some native American ancestry is being picked up as something else? To me that would make a little bit more sense. At least it would explain why only one chromosome has a coordinated American maybe I have chromosomes with native American ancestry on the other ones but it's just not picking up? But as far as familially. My father should have at least been 1/16 native american. Slightly more considering his grandfather had native American in him too. I should be about 1/32 native American ancestry. Possibly more than that but seriously I don't really know how to say what my ancestry is because one of my chromosomes is one quarter native american. While the others aren't anything. So it's almost like to me for my perspective it's like well a part of me is one quarter native american. But as far as my family line. It just looks more like I'm 1/32 native American ancestry. One other thing too the things they say about native American ancestry and how so many times people say their native American and they're not really makes me think maybe the things that I'm being told the people that I'm being told our native American aren't even native american. Like my father's father's grandmother. Was Blackfoot indian. We don't have any family from montana. We have family from mississippi. On that side. I think? To be completely honest with you even though my grandfather is a Facebook friend. I hardly know anything about his family. If it's mostly because every time I ask him any questions he has no idea anything about his father's side. And his mother's side I don't know really. It's like he doesn't want to talk. Which is fine because to be completely honest I don't really have good connection with my father's side. His side is more friendly with me than my father's mother's side. That's why there's such a disconnect. so that's why with my native American ancestry I hardly know anything. And if I know anything. It's hard to patch up any idea of what percentage of native American I am. The DNA test didn't do me good enough to understand what my native American ancestry is because one chromosome is 25% while all the rest don't have any native American on them. And then also with the information I'm given I'm told that the native American should be a little bit closer than what it says as far as 1%. I should be around 3 to 4%. It's just confusing to me.

[@cubanfire88]

You are white, that’s it.

[@ShiningNoctowls]

🔥🌧🌈

[@selenadiaz2665]

I found out that I have 6% Native American ancestry that is completely lost in my genealogy due to the slave trade. Just lost that I will never be able to trace and it is absolutely devastating as I will never know who my ancestors are.

[@Crowwtf]

Being "Indian" has very little to do with your blood-quantum, it is is culture a life style, and if we are unable to embrace this the Indigenous people will die out. The government knows this that is why they focus so many laws on our blood percentage. Which is unfair because they have they right to identify like 60 different genders lol. There are "white people" i know that are more "indian" then most actual indians, and that is okay because our ancestors always absorbed outsiders into our culture. it makes us stronger! why cant we assimilate them is what i say!

[@adamarenas6260]

Those people cant be Native though, no one would say that some Dutch invaders who happened to be taken in by Zulus in South Africa are now "black" or "zulu" . Blood quantum is needed, because eventually you will have the majority of "natives" in this land looking nothing like the real natives.

[@LM-ki5ll]

@@adamarenas6260 there are white people that became zulu and xhosa, in fact there are several clans: amaMolo, abeLunga amaFrance, amaIrish, amaMpondo, amaBomvana, AmaCaine and amaOgle. They became that ethnic group and their black descendants still see themselves as being connected to Europe and Europeans.

[@chup974]

@@adamarenas6260 you are correct. You can't become something by taking on the culture. Delusional people.

[@jtlewis_archaeology]

@@adamarenas6260 This creates an issue with groups that are labeled as "Creole" instead of Native. In SE Louisiana there are several tribes that are refused federal recognition because at some point the United States government said they are too mixed now and no longer a tribe - regardless of the tribes' history, beliefs, or just marriage strategies in hopes of having a better future. The tribes never established it. It was pressed upon them by a foreign government. It would be the same as the United Kingdom government deciding who is and isn't a United States citizen.

[@blackout4203]

@@LM-ki5ll 🐂💩

[@danielcortega]

I am an American. If anything, i just describe my as a Mexican American as culturally i feel more in common with folks like me, the children of Mexican immigrants that came up in the 80s and 90s. Racially, Im very indigenous. 87% according to those commercial dna tests. Which makes sense cos my folks are from a small community in rural Puebla, a Mexican state known for its large indigenous population. However, culturally and socially, these natives have immersed themselves into Mexican mainstream society. Rural Puebla is now vastly Spanish speaking. Good luck finding someone with any knowledge to Nahuatl. The people are descended from those same ancestors with very little admixture, yet society has changed. El calzón indio(their native dress), Nahuatl language are all but gone. Even folks see themselves as Mexican and not indigenous because they lack the language and see their community as no different than folks in large towns like Puebla City and Mexico City. The country as a whole celebrates the misceganation of the people, and "indian" still holds negative connotations down south.

[@roycehuepers4325]

I call us who are native Americans but who aren't for whatever reason aren't part of the tribes The Lost Ones. Trail of Tears survivors left for dead or victims of those "schools" unfortunately being the more common examples.

[@holder1971]

Good points all. I'm Citizen Potawatomi Nation and while the tribe maintains records of blood quantum membership is based on family ancestry. As long as you're a descendant of one of those Potawatomi on at least of several tribal rolls over the years you're a member. Today we're a band of Metis as intermarriage between the Potawatomi and Europeans as well as other non - Potawatomi tribes was very common in the 18th and 19th centuries so without recognition of tribal ancestry to determine eligibility we'd have ceased to exist inside the late 20th century.

[@julianamcfarlane488]

I am Jamaican and trinidadian and since I’m from the caribbeans, I thought I’d have tainos blood but I have Native American and Chinese blood. The native blood is proof that my ancestors were in the United States first.

[@cubanfire88]

Taíno blood would be Native American tho, and very rare to see West Indians with actual Native DNA, did you do the test ?

[@stevecue]

What percentage of ancestors? Most? Half? Small percent? When one say my ancestors, they usually mean most.

[@ManyLieToYou]

Chinese are Not Native Americans

[@vidascupcakes]

It's so hard to be out here alone the way Genocide was set up. Now my blood is Spanish and Native. Term Mexican or Mix-I-Can is making fun of us on the highest level.

[@waggawaggaful]

I've felt confused about my identity my whole life. My brother and dad are reddish skinned with black hair but me and my mom are fair. I can't trace my ancestry on my dad's side because they were in hiding. We went to a museum downtown where they put up the first Native American exhibit ever. Long time coming. I finally saw my nose (which I thought was deformed or broken) and my mouth on almost all the people in those pictures. A lot of them fled on foot to Florida and are now called Seminoles. I'm not sure how to trace my relation to people who don't want to be identified. I'm libertarian and very strongly against unjust advantages and handouts. However, as I get older, I'm more open-minded to the idea of qualifying for exclusive high-paying government jobs based on ethnicity and affirmative action. I will still feel like a sell out, but basically everyone is a sell-out in some way. Since I'm not able to trace my ancestry through family knowledge I'll have to get a blood test. I guess my main question for this channel would be whether I can use a blood quantum test to qualify for government jobs that favor minorities (which is basically all government jobs). I noticed that government contracts are mostly awarded to African Americans and I have a Hispanic family member who won lots of contracts as a minority-owned business. On the surface it may sound like I am merely using my ethnicity as a means to an ends, but it's not as simple as that. I don't think I'll ever join a tribe, but I'd like to go to Florida at some point to visit the Seminoles who used to live in Wetumpka, AL and who I'm probably related to.

[@bobbyjowilliams3833]

Am native American through my dad side of the family but am white with Irish and Scottish and German Dutch and Europe from my mom's side of the family

[@gusprieto8045]

Bottom line Free beer free beer free beer. They can have it .

[@BlackAmericanIndia]

Interesting how "race" has nothing to do with citizenship for the most part, apparently. Yet, if an authentic Indigenous American was not listed on a "base roll," then their descendants would be/are disenfranchised....their own heirs.

[@creepin93]

indians are in INDIA! we are indigenous people, smart'n up

[@stevecue]

In an age where race matters to gain social currency, how can a person claim native American citizenship or when ask of their heritage say I am native first but also have less native blood than European? One cannot claim part and decide its the cool part so im that.

[@ronaldjacobs8169]

Hi, I thank you for the lesson about quantum blood, and I also like to thank you for my opportunity to react to you. My name is Chief Helping Dog Black wolf Javanclaronaje Jerovanja Make Rodinu White Dove. The name my white mother gave me is Jacobs Ronald Felix, known as Ronny. Hello, I would be a mixed blood:I was born in 1965, so this means that I am 56 years young today, but I still have the memories of all my ancestors in my veins, I'll tell you something about that:Among my ancestors were and still are, from later in time to earlier in time:Belgians, Italians, Slovenians, Yugoslavs, Apaches from the border with America/Mexico.All these people have been through a lot in the course of time and in their own history, they went through all this in their own country of origin or in the country where they ended up after being kidnapped against their will or ended up there after being abducted against their will. they had fled their own country in the hope of a better life.I do not know my father, only a dead stepfather and my mother, and family who are not blood relatives, and so I know only a few.I am a mixed blood, partly Belgian, partly Shech, partly Jogoslave,Partly Black footed Indian, partly Italian,partly Apache,Partly German, part Walloon, and part Belgian and part Apache from my mother's side, born as Belgian in Belgium.I am looking for my brother Indian.Who and what I am, who my family is? My ancestors? No idea.I am now 56 years old and I do not know myself, I do not know who I am.Is that bad? NO. Am I happy? All the way!But I love people, ALL people, not hard to guess why hey? because: I am just about anything and everyone, why could I have something against someone else? So.Yet I would like to get to know my ancestors, especially the Indians, because for me they are the furthest away.My totem name is, White dove, my spiritual Guide is BlackWolf given to me by my spiritual old great sage Father WAKANTANKA, Great Spirit, as my HUKA.As ancestor, he is also my WOKIKSUYE, A memento. Unfortunately I am only his HE, mountain, an obstacle that I have to climb and overcome myself.Are there people who might be part of my tribe? WELCOME to report you.And that does not only have to be Zwarte Voet Indians or Apache, that may be ALL Indians, because one fist against injustice also counts 5 fingers, and together with my other 5 finger hand to shake two hands fight for peace, not by beating but with my tongue between my teeth and my fist in my pocket.WELCOME to all brothers and sisters, and family that I prefer and choose myself.Wakantanka is in my heart like a Wokikisuye, as big as a Holy He.I am Chief HelpingDog BlackWolf Javanclaronaje Jerovanja Make Rodinu White Dove. The name my mother gave me is Jacobs Ronald Felix, with the call sign Ronny. Call me what is convenient for you.My main question is: Am I an Indian? You know, my Indian friends on Facebook told me: If you have one drop of Indian blood in your veins, then you are an Indian. But, is that true? If so, it would make me very proud. Who am I? I don't know, you tell me.

[@janetlandry-lucey5386]

You had absolutely NO lighting Couldn’t see you hardly at all

[@c.c.c.7756]

Were Natives not "Indians"

[@TedH71]

Valid points. I'm descended from the Nansemond tribe out of Virginia and they recently got federal recognization and have shut down their enrollment office approximately 3 years ago right before COVID started. I was in the process of researching that side of the family. Turns out the last full blood of our tribe died in the early 1800s and our tribe has always been tri racial ever since then. There's some members that look more African or European then there's members that look Native. The tribe is still working out who they consider to be part of the tribe due to the tribal history of the tribal members splitting up. The traditionals went with the Seneca in NY and then that branch split up again and fled with the Senecas into Canada while the Christianized (the members I'm descended from are from this one) Natives stayed pretty much put. However when they tried to register their marriages to other people outside of the tribe...it was illegal so they had to go out of the state to get married and some decided to move out permanently while some moved back and stayed in Virginia. I'm descended from the ones who moved out permanently...my ancestor moved from VA to NC then he unfortunately became a slave owner and had his plantation house built in NC then taken apart to be shipped to Louisiana on the plantation that he bought. He had 190 slaves. After he died, his children inherited some slaves and some became free and they had 90 of them. Eventually the grand son went to the Civil War and when his father died, his mother had someone who was paid to take her son's place and the son signed a promissory note that would free the left over slaves before he could even go home to settle the estate. Turns out when any of that family (Bass family) died, they couldn't get buried in the whites cemetery then they tried with the African American cemetery and were denied so they ended up being buried on the plantation grounds! That family's photos are in the Smithsonian files as the Nansemond tribal members. Full beards. Google Walter Plecker. He was the state's first registrar and extremely racist. He created the first guidelines on racial purity and that has influenced the country ever since. Lots of the descendants who moved out permanently do not realize they're descended from the tribe. The tribe wants it that way because right now there are 300 enrolled members and they acknowledge there might be thousands of eligible members and they do not know how to deal with it nor how to process it because some members who moved out were never enrolled and they have to prove that they did descend from the "list" of members and they have to figure out how to vet the ones that claim they were and have proof. Allegedly one man's daughter sued the tribe for not allowing her "full blood" father to be enrolled when everyone knows the last full blood died in 1803 or thereabouts. I do not know the results of that lawsuit. I will be hopefully meeting the tribal chef in a few weeks though. We were the first few tribes impacted directly due to European immigration when they first showed up here. We used to have over 30 thousand warriors who all participated in the all 3 Indian wars. 30k then 15k then 5k and now to around 200 people and now up to 300 enrolled members. Yes, we lost some due to disease but a lot of our warriors died in the wars. Most tribal nations on the East Coast have quite a lot of European blood mixed in while on the West Coast less European blood pretty much.

[@LM-ki5ll]

What's lost in your words is the reality that the tribes although mixed by the 19th century were themselves hostile and quite racist to black people and blacker members. The Nansmond had run off many people from the post-reconstruction era. They did not want to attend schools or churches with black people. They did not want to be seen as black. The did not want to be buried in a black cemetery. Members who married or supported black people thus put the whole group in jeopardy. This of course was before Plecker and after the 1950s some tribes opened up. But the Pamunkey forbade black intermarriage until like 2013 and limited membership of black intermarried people and children of such unions, to this day they refuse to use prior rolls from before they "closed rank" and booted out those who fraternized with black people. It's easy to point at Plecker and call him racist, the tribal leaders and until a couple decades ago the tribes themselves were very racist as well. I'd say in Virginia is you come from free people of color lineages you are connected to the Basses, the Weavers and other key native families, it is likely 100,000 people who could be in these tribes. The issue is they now identify and live as black people.

[@TedH71]

@@LM-ki5ll yeah. What you may not be aware of is the first Elizabeth Bass had, at least, 2 kids with an unknown African craftsman who got here before the first slave ship arrived and from my understanding, had 2 kids with her before disappearing from the records. She apparently was married to a Bass guy who was European during this time period. A lot of people suspect he accepted the kids because back then any kids the Native woman had was considered a full tribal member regardless of who the biological father was. I have that guy's African dna. I also have South Indian DNA as well which lends me to suspect that I also have the original Indians who immigrated here and intermarried into the tribe from India. I'm still researching this as I type this out. It's an interesting topic at my household because I look pretty much European. I was surprised to see that I had small dna amounts of Africa and Indian heritage.

[@TedH71]

@@LM-ki5ll are there any old tribal rolls for the Nansemond other than what's in the church records and so on?

[@divestedkonservativekarame4269]

But you know what really makes me feel weird. It's a whole idea that like native American people are like of a different country or whatever. I would never want to be a part of that. And I'm happy I'm not a part of that. Because it's just like I have patriotism to my own country america. So like I mean the fact that people will act like they have an allegiance to another country based off of their native American ancestry. I never saw it as that deep. And there's a big reason for why I don't see it that deep. Most likely because my mother has no native American blood in her. And I was raised by my mother's side. So because of that I do not really think I would ever want to be a part of like any native American tribe or country or whatever that just seems weird to me I have more patriotism to my own country. America.

[@mightymite3958]

Wanna buy some NDN blood? 😄😄

[@blacksnapper7684]

I’m black but was adopted by a white family. I had my dna tested and I’m .3% Native American I know that’s a laughable amount but I’m still proud of the little I have🤷🏿‍♂️

[@og-greenmachine8623]

DNA test don’t reveal any Indian ancestry. You find your history through census records. And there’s no such thing 👉🏽as a “black human being”. as black is not a race, culture, color, or tribe💡

[@chxldxsh666]

nice

[@Toxicplyer]

So called black people have a long history with Native American tribes. Many formed their own tribes in certain situation.

[@TedH71]

@@Toxicplyer less than 5% of the whole African American population has Native ancestry.

[@TedH71]

Basically from 8 to 9 generations ago.

[@voodoogingko3779]

I thought you were a Mexican

[@yaboijoel517]

Mexicans are native Americans

[@veezhang4678]

What if native americans marry siberians. They're related.

[@ManyLieToYou]

Y'all come from us somehow

[@sterlingpless9280]

It all comes down to who is and who isn't if you are what 6.25% then you are legally Native American.... The thing is you are probably less than what you think...

[@IslenoGutierrez]

A real “Indian” is a full blooded Indian (4/4). Anyone that is not that, is a mixed race person. It’s the same for whites or East Asians or whatever. That is biological. As for cultural, how the tribe sees you, one can be seen as an Indian and accepted as an Indian if they are not full bloods. But if we are talking biology, an Indian is one of full indigenous American blood and of the type that existed before European arrival.

[@landback1491]

You're just spouting colonizer non-sense. The colonizer has always said we are extinct. We are still here. Taino Daka. Racist MFer

[@blackout4203]

"Not all full bloods are full bloods..." (regardless of phenotype)

[@IslenoGutierrez]

@@blackout4203 Full bloods are full enough to be considered actual Indians.

[@blackout4203]

@@IslenoGutierrez Not necessarily "Genetically."

[@IslenoGutierrez]

@@blackout4203 Enough “genetically”.

[@trevorvalentine9873]

This is an odd topic. My great grandfather, on my biological mother's side, was "full blood" Muskogee Creek. I was adopted at a young age, for the better in the time. Now in 2022 I have reconnected with my biological mother and her family but thanks to FL law I can not get my original birth certificate, showing my tribal genealogy, thus I will never be counted as one in the the Muskogee tribe.

[@divestedkonservativekarame4269]

The certified native American blood though I think is something that people born through wedlock are privy to right? Cuz I know my dad was born out of wedlock and I don't believe he was. But I believe my grandfather was. A certified indian. And of course I'm not. Because I don't even get benefits for my dad. Because my mom's an idiot. And because the secondarily they make it harder for people whose fathers die before they're born. It's just like how you know it's hard to get a man to play for child support for his kid. Just like it's hard for the government to be forced to pay for children whose fathers die before they're born. Especially for us bastards. Because for us we're more likely to be put through the ringer basically to prove paternity. You see people who have living fathers. The government doesn't mind trying to prove paternity for them. Because they are not going to pay. Because some man is going to pay. But when the government has to pay. Now it's their turn to make it hard for everyone to paternity. Anyway when I was 22 I took a DNA test for like ancestry DNA and stuff and it connected me to my father's family anyway. So I guess you could say that's proof that you know that's my father. But my point is is that my father I don't think was born a certified indian. But my grandfather was. And that has to mean that that's a very small percentage of native American considering he was only one eighth native american. Through his mother's side. I think he has more native American on his father's side too.

[@richardmeadows1968]

The question i would like to have answered is, how much indian does it take to be an indian. A legit heritage line should be proof enough. Pride in knowing we have ancestral blood and who we are. Pride in knowing.

[@Zahirabdullah5-2]

So the native people we black rite ??🤔

[@Zahirabdullah5-2]

@Bellatrix Moon then what were they ?? U seem to know thing who thought the English how to fram here in america ?? Cuz I read diff and I can prove it lol so u tell me how u know there was not black??

[@Zahirabdullah5-2]

@Bellatrix Moon lol 😂😂😂 read more

[@Zahirabdullah5-2]

N yet to prove to me what they was lol read more

[@Zahirabdullah5-2]

@Bellatrix Moon tell u what I'll tell them read and u see u will learn soon but read

[@ABlue-iz4rg]

@Squanto we aren't African, smart one. My people are American, we were here before America got its independence.

[@Toxicplyer]

Blood quantum simply means nothing to me.

[@paullangford8179]

Quantum is not right. The only things that matter are: 1. Identify as native American. 2. Be accepted by a tribe as a member. At that point you become "full blood"...

[@angelacatlipoca259]

My grandmas grandma was full blooded I have my Indian blood papers no blood card Id nether dose my grandma she has her paper tho guess were not recognized she's 5/8 I fell like a slave the welfare sad give me hundreds dollors a month 32 hours a week get paid monthly I'm like fuck no I'm going back in the days we'll before they would give ansetry zero to work I got 2 kids this is bullshit slavery I'm juaneno my grandma's mom went to a boarding school this is bullshit what do I do I no there other like me my name is angel

[@CT-ct9ps]

I think indigenous people should preserve their racial purity. Marry only within their own people. I'm only 1/8th Cree, and I wish my indigenous ancestors didn't dilute their blood.

[@RavenFeathers90]

So you also support the Nazis when they encouraged German women to breed with German women? Do you support white nationalists when they force their children to not marry black people?

[@TedH71]

Think about this...can you help who you fall into love with? No. Also you don't want to be marrying your family members esp if the tribal rolls are low in number. That's how you got the % you got because someone fell in love with someone else.

[@CT-ct9ps]

@@TedH71 I have nothing against interracial couples but they don't need to produce offspring.

[@landback1491]

This is doing the colonizers work for them. Turning your family trees into family poles. I have a full 128 individual ancestors for the last 7 generations? You "FuLl BlOodS" dont. Our tribes inter married all the time, and we switched tribes with marriage pre-colonization. You can't "dilute" the will that my ancestors wanted me to survive for them.

[@headdragondavidaustinsimmo4025]

If you have the same birthmark as ant's then your native American the rest id running away from America