Arena is a BEAUTIFUL Mess | Escape from Tarkov

[@FGC292]

"Hey guys, we're going to make a competitive arena shooter and try to make it E-sport ready!" ... "What do you mean you don't like fighting altyn players with class 6 armor with a SAG 5.45 with no buttstock? This is balanced arena combat!"

[@TukihaMaza]

It doesn’t even make sense. Just add gunsmith and do the OG leveling in any game that was pre 2015. I don’t like the idea of running the same game with the same attachments, EFT’s fun is in the gunsmith

[@AveragePDGamer]

​@@TukihaMazaIs your name Mechanic?

[@butifarras]

A CSGO type buy mechanic would be interesting

[@mnm8818]

Ive heard (wouldnt be esports relavant but for everyone else it is) if you run out of money, you cant win anymore- as you have to use free kits (so you have a limited number of losses till its game over) some people are running Toz and will never be able to get a positive win ratio anymore. as you need 3 wins to equal 1 loss for money

[@OperatorMax1993]

​@@butifarraseven Insurgency style mechanic

[@JokerChany]

The big issue I find that baffles me is the fact you don't get matched with similar gear people so you literally can just get stomped because you chose to level up a different tree

[@Sadiregu1619]

Indeed. It kills all my motivation to play the game.

[@iwedeb5535]

You do as of a day or two after this video was released. There is a slight issue with it as you are matched based on the kit you used in your previous match. It is not based on tier level but on the meta point system which is that mo in the too left of the kit. So each team will have on average the same strength kit

[@corruptedpoison1]

Remember, "Esports ready"

[@Contentrist]

At 12:55 I realized that the gas mask filter has the black rubber plug still on. That would make it impossible to breathe in with that gas mask.

[@RunAzazelRun]

The tiers could be alot better if all sets gave experience for the class they are in, but lower tier kits give more exp and higher tier give less. So there would be a reason to use everything and if you find a set you like you dont have to switch once you reach the next point if you prefer to gain more experience of something

[@mnm8818]

main concern is if you run out of money, you cant win anymore- as you have to use free kits (so you have a limited number of losses till its game over) some people are running Toz and will never be able to get a positive win ratio anymore. as you need 3 wins to equal 1 loss in money terms...

[@tacoman582]

thats only for ranked i believe and its kinda hard to run out of money in 5v5@@mnm8818

[@tanklover385]

Sounds like a typical daily life for Russian games such as world of tanks and warthunder

[@Mecha_Hitler]

@@mnm8818 I run toz on purpose

[@TabiTheCat]

recolor the armor? what do you mean we could recolor stuff like we did the PACA for 2 separate events? that would be so much work to recolor stuff for each team!

[@tirushone6446]

make the arm bands glow in the dark aswell or coloured shirts for each team

[@asataggert3520]

well then give them colored skullcaps or somthing

[@TheBloves13]

Colored gloves pls

[@lllamauser9203]

coloured gloves and maybe just stick a bandana over helmets or something

[@charterfr]

not much work to recolor every piece of equipment

[@Robert6P6M]

The most important fix to the balance is to just matchmake based on gear tier or gear score, or just anything that isn't "win rate" based. Before I got the scout kit with the 856a1's, I could literally not do anything against the 100 round M4 with lvl4 armor and lvl 3 helmet with face shield, since all I had was Pst 9mm's I could not consistently go legs or head.

[@Hustler2_]

They should just make gear presets a level unlock. So for example if you reach level 15, you have a tier 4 preset in every tree

[@nickgonzalez7114]

Or maybe use exp as a currency and have players unlock gear that they want. Combine that with level lock and it should balance out

[@orangeanchovie]

@@nickgonzalez7114 kinda like world of tanks or the like

[@adamuadamu5081]

Once unranked is out, you will only be able to use the ARP kits in ranked.

[@sefin84]

or they should remove this shit and add only a few guns which are balanced? :D

[@Swarm509]

I've seen dozens, if not more, better ways to handle this system and BSG chose the worst "Free to play" style they could. Hell even Free to Play games realized it just pissed off players to have a game setup like this. They already have a tiered system (C, D, Etc) but didn't use it.

[@NQ-cq9ny]

This is the BEST REVIEW on Arena yet - not just complaining and highlighting all issues that will be resolved soon ... THANK YOU!

[@TheVroSolo]

Just watching the newest Leviticus video when I notice my name in kill feed 7:19 keep up the great work, love the content

[@orb1t584]

5:40 BSG: *makes a stupidly broken kit even more broken* Leviticus: *questions reality in minecraft villager*

[@itzaleaf405]

You'll honestly feel the gear diff the most with the CQB line, as it's the line the imo punches the hardest *down* kit tiers. With scout being the opposite and more often than not punching UP due to having better pen rounds WAY earlier than the other classes. (Tier 1 scout can have AP 6.3, the same pen range as a tier 4 CQB kit)

[@DonSofiani]

one of best informative eft channels out there, i like the style bro, keep it up

[@Mousyy]

Always love your uploads dude, its like a breath of fresh air.

[@AltF4ed28]

The biggest problem for me is the rouble system and balancing. If you have a negative win rate and run expensive kits in a skill tree and get queued with atrocious teammates, you will eventually run out of roubles. Running out of roubles makes the game completely unplayable, as you either need to go TOZ only or pistol only to try and make some money. Using free kits also has a low payout making it increasingly hard to grind.

[@phillipmcdougal5392]

I feel like there's a massively missed opportunity with being forced to use presets. I think they should rework how the progression works and have different armors, helmets, rigs, guns, and attachments unlock with each preset unlocked, and the ability to create a custom loadout. Of course, they would have to implement a gear point system where each piece of equipment you add increases your custom class' tier. If any of y'all are familiar with army building for the 40k tabletop game, each unit has a point cost, and each game has a max score, normally 2000 pts. So for ranked they could have a 1000, 1500, and 2000 pt kit limit, allowing people to have more freedom to fully utilize all the items and attachments from the main game while still having potential for being properly balanced. Also, progression needs to be much easier than it is currently

[@bullshark5032]

No-one's going to mention that Tarkov has an insane complicated and beautiful gun customization system and they completely destroyed the creativity they could've capitalized on with the kit presets.

[@102ndsmirnov7]

ye, I thought the whole point was that you would be able to basically mess around with the gunsmith in solely PVP without having to worry about losing gear and stuff.

[@Jon-hd4qu]

They should prioritize making the game more fun and lowering XP to get the kits OR they should quite simply have XP you get transfer to other kits by your choice, like buying something but with XP. That way when you max out one tree (say in scout) and want to do marksman or CQB without getting assblasted in ranked you can just use your maxed out kit and buy the kits in other trees

[@Swarm509]

BSG doesn't make games to be fun. I'm just waiting for a letter from Nikita, or a live stream, where he says he wants Arena to be totally unfair "just like Tarkov" when he forgets there are dozens of ways to play that game and this is a hyper focused arena/lane shooter with exactly one way to play. And a way to play that dozens of games have figured out before Arena.

[@Jon-hd4qu]

@@Swarm509 I know that tarkov isnt supposed to be the standard of fun, its fun in its own way, but Arena feels like it should be Tarkov stripped down to its PVP mechanics, in which case they should be prioritizing enjoyment, not realism.

[@mackieincsouthsea]

Really good points! As much as most have been said, I love the solo bonus idea, obviously said with a huge bias 😅

[@hughganis3886]

Because it's level based matchmaking, if you try to upgrade multiple kits at some point, you go from being able to kill people to your kits, never being good enough until you focus 1 path for a while

[@aniconic2510]

I’m loving arena so far, but the lack of any form of loadout creation, and the pain of trying to using both of the stock CQB loadout hamper the experience

[@colkillervin3560]

The stiletto kit actually didn’t get buff but more of a trade off they gave it a 3x scope to use but reduced the amount of ap-20 slugs from 20 to 10

[@drunkpunk5393]

not a trade off. just a buff. having 10 less shots of one tapping ammo isnt really a nerf.

[@dd805100]

​@@drunkpunk5393okay this is a good one right here it's a pump action 590a and ap 20 doesn't even one tap to the thorax or stomach it could get a one tap head shot but not even a guarantee its trash compared to a lot of other ammo

[@dd805100]

​​@@drunkpunk5393I'm on the class above it and half way to the mutant and using fletchette and it also feels like trash when your fighting smgs and rifles with pbp and 7n40 almost all shotgun ammo feels pretty trash especially when they also have level 5 armor

[@TheBloves13]

​@dd805100 idk man I'm on Pharoah class in the assault line and it has class 5 armor and I get one tapped in the chest by ap-20, like at this point it's the only thing that can stop me unless I get head eyes

[@drunkpunk5393]

@@dd805100 idk what retard juice youve been sipping. but your a few juice boxes deep already. i know for a fact ap20 one taps thoraxs with lvl3 or below. which is the first two or 3 tiers in arena. ap20 one taps lvl4 armors at a close enough range or low enough effective durability. if you think for a second that 10 SPARE ap20 slugs isnt lethal in a 5v5 match. your an entire case of retard juice deep my bruddddduh. lol

[@chaseishere8460]

FUCK I JUST WANNA PLAY THE GAME

[@sneeki_breeki3079]

I've been enjoying arena for the most part, main problem for me is just the balancing, gear score needs to actually be implemented properly

[@lenny7220]

exactly... wtf is the point of the MP gear score value if they aren't going to use it for MATCHMAKING? why even show us that if its not gonna be used

[@datonedud]

I think it would be cool if they added like a pair of glasses you can pay for extra in addition to your kit where it highlights your team mates, I think if its a reasonable price and it doesnt highlight the opposing team it could be a cool (though unrealistic) feature.

[@dr.insecto7846]

And they could look like those new meta rayband sunglasses, which might not be too realistic but it’s believable and it’s not like it’s super futuristic

[@matsku5853]

I actually bought EOD just because it includes arena. I know it would've been cheaper if I only got arena but I also wanted gamma container since EOD edition is gone in about week. Didn't enjoy arena at all when I started playing it. I only got matched against the op vityaz PBP class and absolutely got destroyed, but now that I have gotten better weapons ect. I have actually enjoyed it.

[@woksolid6885]

"Beautiful mess" that's the most accurate description of arena i've seen

[@stanisawbarczyk9571]

Arena needs matchmaking with battle ratink/rank just like warthunder or world of warships has, that calss u unlock has speciffic battlerating and u can play against +1/-1 rank

[@zMajicz2]

World of Tanks has this thing called a Tier system. It prevents the Tier 1 tanks from vs'ing T4 and up tanks because they have next to no chance of damaging T4's and up. Really prevents situations like arena's. The type where your rocking pst gzh/t45/eko etc and the majority of people you play against are rocking PB, AP20, AP 6.3, BT, M855A1, etc etc

[@Schaddn]

Sooo, is leg meta back for new players?

[@PapaFenn]

I have noticed as a solo player, doing the shootout mode is where it's at, played the 2v2 tournament mode and got 4th place out of 5. Made 90kish roubles and got 5k xp

[@samhill7817]

They messed up even having kits. This game has some of the best gunsmithing and loadout creators out there for shooters. Why they didn’t just have tiers that you hit that give you a certain amount of rubles, then you use that budget to create a kit? Ban a couple of ammo/ gun combos and you’ll have a much more fun progression path than the grind fest we currently have

[@fatedluck7269]

Still havent gotten access yet its only been 8 days you know havent even gotten to try it out

[@mightyowl3875]

im in the same boat :-(

[@DLister321]

best review ive seen so far and honestly the game has only gotten better since wipe.

[@Bolgierd]

A tier based matchmaking system that only allows everyone in your match to use kits from the same preselected tier would genuinely fix 90% of my frustrations with Arena. I really like dicking around with low level loadouts, but it doesn't really make sense when the enemy team isn't doing the same thing. It would also make leveling multiple trees a LOT more bearable.

[@Rub-vp2yd]

Even when people do use the radio, it is usually impossible to hear or understand what theyre saying. Also after switching team colors 17 times in a day I literally get confused on what color I am constantly

[@endercraft4976]

If i understood it correctly the playerstats of Arena are the same in eft so which stats are you going to have when eft wipes again? Or does Arena wipe as well?

[@ВячеславФролов-д7я]

"Battlestate" and "balance" are the words that shouldn't be spoken together in a same video, let alone in a one sentence, so everything's going according to my expectations

[@Squiggly6942]

I've got the Mutant unlocked already, and it's straight up seal clubbing...

[@missjibb337]

Probably wont ever be balanced when fighting isn't about skill its about what gear you unlock. Unlock it all for everyone so we can see who has more skill at fighting, not who has more time to unlock gear. Great video btw :) cant wait to try it out and die using the sniper class haha

[@NaderinZim]

Weird how that was always the case with Tarkov, but when it comes to Arena it's a problem? It doesn't surprise me one bit that Arena favours the no-life grinders.

[@missjibb337]

@@NaderinZim probably because main Tarkov is a whole different game type compared to arena. That’s why it’s fun on main Tarkov but don’t make sense in Arena.

[@Adam-wr7uc]

They need to make it to where you select class before the queue is entered to match the game more evenly spread so it's actually fun

[@tanable6223]

I remember playing mw2 S&D and being in party chat and having the game force you into game chat haha. Agreed, radio chat needs to be available even after death.

[@everythingpony]

That's console bruh xD

[@jados211]

great video, you don't just jump on the trend to hate on arena you give a lot of positives to it as well which is refreshing.

[@ceepert2153]

Its "not realistic to talk to your teammates after you die" but it is perfectly realistic to get shot in the face with buckshot, turning your brain into mush and 30 seconds later be ready to fight another round. Yeah post death teamtalk needs to be a thing if they wanna be serious with being a competitive team game

[@bigdough1326]

I agree with this or else you end up with situations where the discord stack wins everytime due to cleaner comms

[@HUGOAUDITORE117]

you can´t be serious dude

[@sefin84]

Played 3 matches. This game is RPG driven unbalanced, unoptimized garbage. It has zero potential to succeed unless they dramatically change it. I was looking forward to arena, but it is better to run EFT factory and you get a better and faster experience lol

[@lenny7220]

you've never played competitive CS before and it shows as you have absolutely positively 100% no clue about why the voice chat was made the way it was. Not saying that there ISNT a disparity between solo Q'ers trying to talk to others vs squads in discord, but boy are you ignorant for not even trying to understand the reasoning and inspiration behind that particular design decision.

[@kkjunior29]

@@sefin84 what? u dont think its fun to play against people that take 1000 of shots to kill but kill you in 1 or 2? im just hoping they change my email so i can get some money back, otherwise im gonna be stuck with this garbage scam

[@marasai426]

i cant even properly scav or pmc raid in tarkov ever since wipe. Constantly stuck on matching process. (ratio is like maybe 1~2 raids every 50 trys)

[@thesun2312]

I gotta be really honest about the stiletto kit. I was using it for a while to get to sector and the amount of times I would get absolutely fucked by the fact that arms are in front of the chest only to get insta headshot before I can get another shot off is astounding. I was playing solo and my arp dropped down to 1150 because I simply would get shafted before I could kill anyone in most games. When that kit worked, it worked really nice though as every kit should. (Sector is just better though)

[@itzaleaf405]

Yeah issue with AP-20 is that arm armor is best armor, and since it's a pump action you more often than not just die outright before you get another chance. And if they have a higher tier CQB kit like Zenith (Full cover level 5 aside from arms/legs) you just can't do a dame thing at all.

[@arturkey9084]

nah yall just suck

[@lonelypassenger7541]

My biggest gripe with arena is having had EOD since 2020 and not having access. Also my buddies who purchased EOD in 2016,2017,2018 we all have the same gripe. Not having access.

[@itsmeatchief1119]

I was talking to a few people, and they all say the presets need to tiered/rated and in ranked, they need an MMR for each tier individually rather than overall

[@bradenbeattie8216]

I've been loving arena. It's made me so much better and more confident at gunfights in actual Tarkov.

[@Gunner8_]

I think what you said at the very start of the video sums up the situation. There are problems with the game, but Arena is a new game and there are many changes rolling out. Many people are jumping the gun on the negativity train, but fail to realize that this is a competitive multiplayer game, and it is going to take time for it to get better. Look at counterstrike with its games (especially CS2 right now). The most frustrating thing to me is that they are claiming it is ready for esports when it is clearly not. It is a very early beta and BSG are the ones jumping the gun on that side of things.

[@darkally1235]

One video I saw mentioned it seemed like Ranked should only have access to the ARP operators. My suggestion is to make the operators kinda like gear in CS2. During each the set of raids there's an economy system which gives players money they can use to hire operators each raid. So at the start of each raid you can chose which operator (higher ARP matches unlock the higher tier operators) they want to use. Getting kills with a lower ARP tier operator rewards you with more money. So do you splurge on a high cost operator to get better gear, but risk having to use the lowest cost operators if you are killed? Or do you go with a mid or low cost operator and aim for the knees? Unranked games use the "MP" operators, with players chosing which operator gets used for the game before matchmaking and then matchmaking is based on MP rather than ARP.

[@bazh1n210]

my man is getting jacked

[@kaleidoscopekaleidoscope9064]

quick tip: use in game voip and shout your team color at start, shout it multiple times.

[@everythingpony]

That's how you get shot

[@robozoni6325]

As a solo player, I can 100% confirm you are going to get rammed on a consistent basis. Especially if you going for Bromine and have to use the PPSH against absolute megachads.

[@Lucian882]

is it just me or did you guys not get the arena yet with the EOD account?

[@konradbogulak4903]

Could you please give us your thoughts on is it worth buying EoD before it's no longer available?

[@Adriscoll923]

its def worth it, eod gives access to all dlcs (the new maps that will be dlcs on tarkov) and also free arena and other dlcs that arena might have. Also the stash lvl 4 (costs 40M to get without eod) and the 3x3 pouch makes it so worth it and its also on sale

[@konradbogulak4903]

@@Adriscoll923 Okay. Thanks for your opinion. I think you are right.

[@westybig]

i think getting rid of faceshields while they fix the busted matchups would be a good short term fix. literally geared boys are just charging mid for the lols

[@kiroblaka]

I just run around solo with the ryzhy set vibing in matches

[@noscopesallowed8128]

Oh hey so you're Geographic Boy I forgot. I got dumpstered by you a bunch earlier on the plane map lol Also don't forget the audio. I've never experienced worse audio in a game ever. Merry Christmas

[@cat_of_all_games]

Now it’s time for a new tier list!

[@pretzals222]

Im sure the battle rating based matchmaking is gonna be for unranked. Doesn’t make sense for ranked to follow the same. Ranked matches by ARP, unranked matches by gear score I would think. It’s bsg so anything can happen

[@zap332]

Would this be a good way to get better at pvp in the main game?

[@musicheaven1679]

I genuinely don't get why they didn't just go for equipment unlock ranks instead of kit unlocks. I mean it'd make the game way more diverse, replayable, personal and it'd probably even make the game grind longer yet more rewarding.

[@tensaciszketsu864]

Can't wait for the SPT guys to emulate it.

[@AngusBeef0]

you can start over 1800 and climbing to starting new tree .. down to 1300.. but now im not stuck with 1 tree woooo lol

[@Arussiandoge]

I legitimately cannot understand 9/10 teammates on the radio, I'm surprised no one else is mentioning that.

[@buns9022]

I was hoping this would just be Contract Wars with more item variety.

[@stor-who]

Adding some colored tape to your PMC’s fingers or wrists wouldn’t be too unrealistic and would keep you from having to look at your inventory every time you want to take a shot

[@turtleboy899]

I already quit area just because of the balancing I'm solo and started to late I feel like I'm just going to wait for more updates to come out

[@basicallybacon2593]

Personally i think it should be based off of rubles where you have 5 tiers and you must make classes within the rubles limit. When a match starts it picks a random bracket out of the 5 every time, when you level up you unlock new avaliable guns and items to put in your loadouts.

[@denisonu4500]

0:38 "Everyone loves a pessimist" Basically the EFT community.

[@ghostface__-416]

i would love to give my opinon but i have yet to get access when can i play ? :(

[@levirobertson9843]

I just wanna play the game, kind of sucks having EOD for years now, and still haven’t got a code

[@malachic9149]

I just fought a zenith as a guard. How is that even possible 💀

[@jjustice2006]

Order of operations in queuing for arena should be: you pick your desired maps and loadout, you queue up, it matches you with people on the same tier, you all load in and fight. you cant see what your teammates or enemies are picking anyways, and you cant change mid round, so why not use the loadout for the basis of matchmaking for balanced matches.

[@Caannnnoonn]

It's crazy how most of the player base doesn't have access still.

[@BornToDesync]

Question: what kind of mic do you uses in all of your videos it sounds really clear and good.

[@everythingpony]

It sounds muffled and like he has stuff in his mouth

[@BornToDesync]

​@@everythingpony im pretty sure thats cause hes wearing a balaclava with no mouth hole. I dont think its the mic

[@---nk4mk]

I love not being able to see someones head with the irons. And i love when the glock with the switch is the most op gun no matter what.

[@realllybadgaming9216]

I kinda just wanted Escape From Tarkov CoD or CSGO that I could hop on after work and not think while enjoying Tarkov gunplay, which this honestly appears to do a good job of. I think the addition of friendly nametags in the unranked mode would be AMAZING. Just make unranked more casual and let the sweats fester in ranked, which most players would still play honestly. What do I know though, I still haven't gotten that email...

[@barfallamewshmecklehymer5028]

let me in let me in LET ME IIIIINNNNNNN

[@mrquang11212]

When the arena was anounced, I thought they would try to make it like the OG Contact War, like a game with many game mode...

[@totallyunprofessionalopini2747]

What eft should do is something like forza where you can mod ur guy however, but each thing has points, and certain amounts of total points out you in higher and higher tiers

[@CssHDmonster]

it feels like its a side mode of tarkov made by a dev team of first timers to games , which probably what it is, considering bsg always complained about experienced devs in ruzzia

[@everythingpony]

That's exactly what it is

[@yurilopes420]

"if you go into it trying to have fun rather than be hyper serious, you'll probably have a good time" imagine that, playing games for fun

[@benikorog3367]

Leviticus is getting ripped ;)

[@mysterioushomoguy]

I saw a revolver flechette shotgun in the first tier, maybe BSG think that kit can easily kill some high tier Armor?

[@facelessgreen8997]

The problem is Arena does matchmaking based on level, while it should do it based on gear rating. If someone just rushes one gear branch, they will have significantly better gear than someone who plays one reset from one branch then decides to try out the other one, repeat. Then the person who ground out the branch to completion switches to starter kit of the other branch gets so doomed because suddenly they have shit tier stuff when facing people who are half to 100% on branch progression. Also, lack of painkillers in some presets is just inexcusable. Gear score should be the determining factor in matchmaking, not the level. Some gun economy during game itself would be cool as well, though. Imagine getting money for kills and round wins like in CS and starting round 1 with a basic pistol preset. You would buy a preset every round instead of just being locked to one preset every game, this would allow for much more dynamic and interesting matches.

[@spliffingrat5469]

just like the in main game, the highs let me oversee the lows nd i pray that they work their magic to make the game great. as a hardcore enjoyer, i m gratefull for every gun but i hope theyll overwork it for the future. cuz the current grind ist just absurd. but i also have the feeling BSG didnt plan the leveling to be done in ranked

[@barry4302]

6:26 Me, a veteran war thunder player: Tier 4 only costs 300k rp? WOOOOOOO

[@SinnerD2010]

Still waiting for it to unlock myself

[@Junk4u999]

Yeah, the balancing sucks in Ranked, but when Un-ranked gets added it will match you based on your gear score not ARP.

[@StarkRaven59]

EFT cannot escape its Contract Wars roots.

[@SoupCheesus]

Thats crazy (I dont even have access to the game yet)

[@ZaPowzer]

oh yeah on the sawmill map you can boost a teammate out of the gate early

[@MrSkuddawg]

Probably very chaotic fun, I say probably because like many, many, MANY with EOD, I can't play, only way to experience arena is watching streamers.

[@castin5244]

I think the current progression system just needs to be thrown out all together. Instead they should do a stash system just like the main game, with some sort of market with gear that becomes available based on your XP/rank. you earn rubles per kill or per match to buy whatever gear you want to add to your stash, and if you lose a match you lose the kit you brought in. And if you win the match you can bring back whatever gear you picked up off dead enemies.

[@anujofish]

imo I've been enjoying it solo as a bowl tower enjoyer. Crackman is cracked.

[@GoblinWarlordGaming]

I forget what team I’m on all the time some indicator of your team on screen would be nice

[@skylenxander4768]

Sawmil and bay I literally just copy pasted from contract wars I have a feeling one or two maps are from that game too just modified cause they have the same vibe just can't remember exact name from contract wars game cause last time I played it it was like 8-9 years ago

[@waterstargaming]

Me who disconnect at the start of every game

[@VulturousStuff]

I'm glad I bought EOD soo the 2 week vacation I had I couldn't play. Apparently wipe is tomorrow so I won't even get to try it before it dead.