Let's Be Mad About eShop Closures One More Time

[@ArloStuff]

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[@jackjensensplaythroughsrev49]

Sup

[@-aexc-]

my comment about Raycons seems to be deleted. just look for any review of them by someone who hasn't been paid by them

[@Sonic101_]

Who cares about the Eshop closing. Just pirate

[@leeartlee915]

The hShop is your friend Arlo. That 3DS store is AMAZING.

[@WolfmanArt]

Does Nintendo plan to bring GameCube games to the Switch? There's a ton a games from that console era I never got to try!

[@wolfybuilder]

You know Nintendo's gone too far when Arlo unironically talks about """piracy""", without the whole "I'd NEVER tell you to do that!" bit

[@sboinkthelegday3892]

It was an inbred tier take. You've been moralizing on it so long you've forgotten to PRESERVE another crucial part of English language. Piracy is NOT a problem with "accessing" content you've already started treating like socialized public proprety, like you own THE RIGHT to buy it. If somebody owns land, and shuts down a theme park on that land, they are NOT obligated morally or otherwise to "preserve" your inane fantsies of Woodstock being anything but nostalgic garbage. You taking the liberty to TRESPASS there, is against the core concept of PROPERTY in the form of that land. And PIRACY is spitting on the OWNER'S right to NOT sell you something that isn't YOURS; it's THEIRS. Your NOSTALGIA is not ownership, it's socialism to pretend otherwise, and THAT IS WHY it was termed as "piracy", in lack of a better word. To AT LEAST put a name on the concept. But you don't even have the concept. You're not legally literate in a common man's standard, and you're not fit to vote on these issues by a common man's standard. But, whose voting? These outcries exist exclusively to enact mob justice and ignore the rational reasoning. People just emotionally refused to understand WHY there is such a thing as NOT forcing people to sell away their property, IN THE FIRST PLACE. Because you're feeling ENTITLED to buying it, by force if necessary, you'd just ignore the facts that go against such entitlement. And that IS socilaism, that is bog standrd socialism, the kind fo a degree like "as long as you can SEE a house existing you get by law to busk in it". The state that allows piracy is a state that ALREADY socialized that property. The state that snidely illegalizes it and refuses to enforce that legislation anyway, is a CORRUPT socialist state, to boot.

[@Draezeth]

It's not piracy if there's no way to buy it!

[@TurboPikachu]

@@Draezeth I mean, copyright-wise, it still _is_ piracy, which is really scummy on Nintendo’s part as the publisher, because they still have the legal right to sue ppl who pirate games even if said games are no longer legally obtainable, all while the actual developers who want more people to play the games they spent years of their life working on are having to watch all that time and effort of theirs essentially be put away into Nintendo’s vault

[@happyspaceinvader508]

@@TurboPikachu That might be the law in your country, but it’s certainly not a worldwide law. Thus far, I think they’ve only successfully sued people in the USA, and in those cases it was the people supplying pirated rooms, not the people downloading them. EDIT: In fact, I’m not sure Nintendo have ever even sued anyone… just threatened them with a lawsuit if they didn’t shut their website down.

[@sonicmeerkat]

@@TurboPikachu copyright is for distribution not owning the product hence, copy right.

[@beaa4942]

out of topic here but it's amazing how you are able to make that puppet feel totally alive, the moment you cover up the wii u was so natural (min 12:13) jajajaja

[@therunawaykid6523]

Yeah he is a very talented puppet operator it’s got to be said

[@Oslith]

“You can’t steal an item from a store that doesn’t sell that item.” Is a brilliant way to put it. I’m using that from now on.

[@HotelMari0Maker]

Arlo is truly the Socrates of our time.

[@Trashley652]

At first i was like fuck yeah good point! But then I was like well... I mean... you can steal a cash register...

[@BB-pn2qv]

It is well said.

[@BigGoronSword]

*Goes to a store* Guy: Do you sell cars? Employee: No Guy: "You can't steal an item from a store that doesn't sell that item" Arlo: That's not what I meant, and you know it!

[@xsshow1115]

So, when a store switches its clothing from summer to winter season product... is it then okay to walk into the stockroom and steal the summer outfit you want? Ha ha ha

[@KaelTheAdventurer]

"You *can't* steal an item from a store that *doesn't* sell that item; it's not possible." ~Arlo, 13:21 Easily my favorite quote of the video, will definitely be using that going forward.

[@generalcjg]

5:30 It's ironic, Nintendo tried to shutdown Another Metroid 2 Remake because they were making their own Metroid 2 remake and didn't want the free Metroid 2 remake to overshadow their official remake, so they blocked AM2R's creator from uploading and updating his fanmade remake; now fastforward to today, and Nintendo's own Metroid 2 remake (Metroid: Samus Returns) is no longer being updated and sold on any official capacity, and is stuck on the Nintendo 3DS. So much for Nintendo trying to take down AM2R in favor of them selling Metroid: Samus Returns.

[@SebsFinTechChannel]

What is that game at 16:12? I know i saw the trailer for it a while ago and wanted to get it but now I've completely forgotten what it was called!

[@SebsFinTechChannel]

Found it! It's called The Touryst :)

[@Mastergamer44]

People seem to forget that these are the last Virtual Console systems and that when the Switch dies out all your subscription based games will be lost and will never be able to be bought legally again since you'll always be in some sort of subscription base system just to play old games, Nintendo has made sure that this is how they want to preserve their old legacy games, not by buying them for yourself but instead through a means of a money based system with preservation being handled by them and choosing what gets to be put into said system.

[@ulawan5]

With a subscription we don't OWN anything, and the right to use it becomes a privilege they can take away at any time, it's horrifying and dystopian when you look at the model in the grand scheme (edit: spelling)

[@ianeons9278]

Just use a wet cloth to clean your Wii U, I do that with mine every once and a while and it’s good as new!

[@blabbitybla2780]

Huge respect for zoning right into the pirating aspect of this topic, too many people dance around this out of fear Nintendo will put them on the naughty list

[@ImTheMan0fSteel]

As they SHOULD. And I reported the video for that reason. Someone telling you they don't want to sell you something, is not a license to STEAL. It still makes you an immoral, dead beat loser who thinks they are entitled to video games. Get a job.

[@tomatoprincess2709]

Lol i think he's already on the nintendo naughty list considering he no longer says "product provides by nintendo" in his reviews xD so that gives hik the freedom to say what he wants

[@peterporker7822]

I just wanna say, props to Capcom for lowering the price of their games so much on the Eshop closure. I bought so many of their games for such a cheap price

[@willwunsche6940]

Same they got some my money and me to very soon try some of their franchises I probably wouldn't have otherwise. If I like them I will probably play more of their games in the future

[@Antasma1]

Why were they the only ones to do this?! I had to buy Xenoblade Chronicles X for full price

[@SuperThobal]

Yeah... except they skipped us in Europe. Actually made me more frustrated at them because a friend of mine has been waiting for a sale for YEARS while the sales in the US kept on going, giving me a slimmer of hope each time. Would have loved to throw my money in their face for pretty much every discounted game but I'm not paying top dollar when I know they are practically giving the games away elsewhere. Emulation it is.

[@s.bregnest2857]

$3 for every Monster Hunter game was a steal. I also got SF4, which I’m surprised was apparently a 3DS launch title.

[@skeletonliar101]

@@SuperThobal Similar situation for me and a few friends, but with Sega/Atlus games. They had deep discounts in Europe for the past week or so, but not in the US. It was really frustrating to see them on sale, but not in our region.

[@gamer3ed484]

I’m too lazy to look up the exact quote, but I’m always reminded of that old Gabe Newell saying. Piracy is an issue of proper services not being provided. If old games were being sold for a fair price in an easily accessible way, the overwhelming majority of people would go for that option over piracy and emulation.

[@quintonconoly]

Gonna mod my 3ds now

[@JsYTA]

2 decades of dual screen gaming now a product of its era.

[@loganwernicke7604]

"And so began the great age of pirates"

[@DanGamingFan2406]

Rest in piece 3DS/WiiU eshop bag guy. You and your great, games may be gone, but you will never be forgotten.

[@watershipup7101]

Yeah, never forget the dat Nintendo screwed up. Again.

[@ananon5771]

its not gone, homebrew says hi

[@WaterMeLoan64]

His name is Colin the eShop Bag.

[@ribottostudio]

I'm really gonna miss that sound when you download a game and all those lil blocks go in the bag....It was oddly comforting.

[@Racecarlock]

Yes, gone but not forgotten. Whoever we were talking about.

[@NintonicGamer]

I forgot about dilon's rolling western!! aaaaa!

[@disturbedenvironmentalist2313]

I bring a “just pirate it” energy to the conversation that Nintendo fans don’t really like

[@GhostGirlBlues]

i loved kirby's epic yarn, but i didn't even know kirby's extra epic yarn existed until now

[@thespeedyyoshi]

That part of “pirating” from a store that doesn’t exist is a REALLY good point XD. You really can’t “pirate” a game from a service where you no longer can get the game

[@lasercraft32]

Nintendo isn't gonna like it (they never do) but if they care so much maybe they should actually sell their own games. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@DS9TREK]

Morally you're correct but legally not so much

[@thelastdragon5551]

@@lasercraft32 What do you even mean by that?

[@Buglin_Burger7878]

@@DS9TREK Then that is a failure of a law and the law should be reworked legally speaking.

[@lasercraft32]

@@thelastdragon5551 Nintendo doesn't like when people pirate their games, even if there's no other way to play it.

[@elidalton9421]

We are seeing the gaming industry make the same mistake of the early movie industry. Most of the earliest era films are lost forever due to no effort for preservation by those that made them. The Library of Congress estimates that at least 75% of all silent films ever made are lost forever, and Martin Scorsese's Film Foundation estimates that about 90% of movies from before 1929 are as well. It's a real shame to not be able to go back and look at the roots of where things came from.

[@tatsumitwi348]

Emulation is the digital equivalent of archeology at this point.

[@GreyWolfLeaderTW]

People don't really grasp how Property Ownership on a moral and intellectual level works. The core of the idea of owning something is that you're the only person with the sole right to use and create copies of the thing copyrighted because it was the product of your mind and your labor. That is literally what the word copyright means, *COPY* -- *RIGHT* , as in, "the right to copy or produce more iterations of a given object". Even if it is an object very easy to copy (a unique set of electrical signals, the ones and zeros encoded either on a ROM chip, a optical disk, a flash drive, or a magnetic hard disk drive), it's still a physical object that the original creators get to chose whether they retain the right to copyright or let it enter the public domain. The term piracy refers both to the physical theft of physical objects (historically in the context of a pirating ship that attacked and robbed from other ships), as well as *SOFTWARE piracy* (the unauthorized use or reproduction of another's work), which is technically a type of counterfeiting (making an imitation of a genuine product with the intent to steal or replace an original). Counterfeiting is still illegal for many reasons, not the least of which it destroys the value of genuine original copies of the object in question , i.e. causing prices to drop by increasing the supply in the market (meaning you're not merely hurting the original producer, you're also hurting all the people who bought legitimate copies of the object in question by reducing the amount of money they can ask for when selling it). It's not merely a "the original producer/store is gone" issue. Piracy was one of the major factors that killed the SEGA Dreamcast for example while it was on the market, which demonstrated why Nintendo was always reluctant to embrace optical disks and went with mini-DVDs and avoided open-source DVDs when they felt compelled to adopt those storage mediums. As for why Nintendo talks about "always looking towards the new thing", the answer why is simple. There is very little money to be made in reselling old game software. All one has to do is look at video game consoles with built-in backwards compatibility and the playing habits of people who owned those consoles. Scientific studies show that very few people play old games on new hardware, the overwhelming vast majority of play time is playing new games on that new hardware. The SEGA Genesis had backwards compatibility with the Master System through an adapter, it ultimately lost to the SNES. The Atari 7200 had backwards compatibility with the Atari 2600, it was not even a factor during the NES' era. The PlayStation 2 had backwards compatibility with the PS1 and sales of PS1 games still fell off a cliff in mid-2000 in the runup to the PS2's launch, in anticipation of the software the PS2 was going to launch with. The Wii had backwards compatibility with the GameCube, but a majority of Wiis were never used to play GameCube games (physically impossible given only 21 million GameCubes were sold and the Wii sold 101 million units), particularly because everyone wanted to play specifically Wii Sports, and the average grandma or non-gamer had no interest in Nintendo's legacy franchises. The launch edition of the PS3 had full backwards compatibility with the PS1 and the PS2, but no one cared because the price was absurd for the console and it didn't have the games at launch that the Xbox 360 did. One of the other reasons why there is little money in reselling old games is the simple fact that the audiences for games in general has grown, but interest in older games is, at best, a flat or nearly flat line hovering at the levels that they were at during that console's lifespan in the past. There are a lot of new gamers in the modern era, but only a fraction of them have historical interest in going back to games with more jagged graphics, low-fi compressed audio, shorter overall game length, and a wide lack of quality of life features people are used to today. How many Gen Z/Gen Alpha kids are going to play the original Crash Bandicoot games after finding out it has a lives system, meaning its Game Over once you run out on one of the games' more infamous hard sections? So the short answer to all of this is, you make old stuff, you're going to only attract the niche market you had from that time period when you made that old stuff. If Nintendo went back and went all in on reproductions of their earliest Hanafuda cards, how much of an audience would they have outside the nine million or so people worldwide who are fanatics for any merchandise the company produces? The company is focused on Saturo Iwata's Blue Ocean Strategy right now, so there would have to be a massive sea change in the company's direction and policies before they take their eyes of all the untapped market of people who aren't already gamers and would could be enticed into playing games with new games that have more quality of life features and appeal for them.

[@Gokujyo]

Holy cow, Arlo talking about "piracy" and mentioning the "3DS is easy to hack" meme. This is great, thank you. You're absolutely right! Well done.

[@casuallavaring]

They could do what the Megaman Zero/ZX collection did to emulate the ZX games, have the second screen in a corner and use the right stick to emulate the touchpad.

[@MrViperHiggins]

Couldnt agree more man it sucks to see game preservation taking such a dive

[@Neucher]

hshop to the rescue

[@animalxing8697]

Completionist and company downloaded the entire library of both

[@Tacom4ster]

This is why we need to end capitalism

[@twistedkarma9574]

​@@Tacom4ster and how exactly would that help in the future? Please explain.

[@thelastdragon5551]

@@Tacom4ster Because they didn’t want to support old hardware? 😂

[@WackoMcGoose]

10:28 "We don't even want you to know about the _existence_ of the old things!" Capcom, not only C&D-ing and suing people that created a fan revival of one of their old MMOs but (supposedly) suing _the players_ as well: "Write that down, write that down!"

[@BraxtonKovary]

Seeing Arlo mad about this brings a smile to my face. WHY THEY GOTTA MASSACRE MY BOI THE ESHOP LIKE THAT

[@legocreator768]

now we have no reason not to use hShop :3

[@diccchocolate416]

​@@legocreator768i love one piece

[@therealtony5]

They’re just doing the Disney strategy like closing, and opening the vault over and over so that way they can cash in each time the vault opens like look at that little Mario collection that released for a limited time for a couple of months like I think it was last year or the year before for the switch and then they just stopped a perfect example of opening the vault and then shortly after closing it.

[@fred7796]

Virtual Console was far more better on Wii U and 3DS. On NSO, you can’t own any of the classic games. NSO is not useful, if I’m going to be paying for 30 year old games every year. Owning the games on 3DS and Wii U was more affordable.

[@AlfredoPuente8]

“Focus in new things” Like Mario Kart 8 Deluxe 2.

[@happymask8042]

"You can't steal an item from a store that doesn't sell that item." - Arlo

[@AfterglowAmpharos]

The term you're looking for around minute 13 is abandonware. The creators have abandoned the software, there is nothing longer any way to obtain it from the source, so the only method of getting the software is through people dedicated to software preservation. Bless their souls.

[@Sting_ray]

Here’s the problem tho, these eShops ARENT going away, not really. As of right now, you can still download games that you have already purchased. All the games are still there, the servers are still up. All that REALLY happened is Nintendo removed the privilege for us to GIVE THEM MONEY. That’s it. Sure, the servers will go down one day, and then no one will be able to download games anymore, but until then the games just float there in cyberspace taunting us.

[@greengreens6347]

Isn't the Wii still up?

[@Sting_ray]

@@greengreens6347 it appears you can re-download still on the Wii Shop Channel. So those servers are still up too. Same situation.

[@Cherrytangela]

14:58 That's less a business standpoint and more of a Legal Standpoint. Still.

[@JETEP3]

9:00 Nintendo gave you the opportunity to care. They gave you 10+ years to care. They gave you platforms to support and try out. You all were pushing the Wii U and 3DS out the door on MULTIPLE occasions before and during the Switch. Why should they speak on a past system when all their focus is on the current system? Does it stink that the shops closed? Yes. But giving the impression that Nintendo should say something on this beyond the year-long notice that the stores were closing? Nope. Can't go along with that.

[@iamapie13]

"Abandonware is a product, typically software, ignored by its owner and manufacturer, and for which no official support is available."

[@TurtleChad1]

And this is why we have independent uploaders, who maintain the survival of these games through unofficial mean, to ensure that the games remain accessible. Kudos to them!

[@ianeons9278]

You are the new Justin Y

[@comp.lex4]

Pirates obtain the media Archivists maintain the media Librarians distribute the media A blurry ecosystem of digital historians, all operating just beyond the slimy reaches of the Nintendo legal department (or any other copyright lawyers, really.) Kill the stigma, because without these people, lost media would be an epidemic

[@LeoAndela]

13:22 based to no end!!🎉

[@rustyshackleford234]

RIP 3DS Nintendo E-shop 2011-2023 You where my childhood 😔

[@b_e_p_i_s_m_a_n6212]

I like how the Wii U gamepad is dusty as heck but the 3DS is just fine

[@bloodeagle6458]

In an era when you can save everything They erase everything😢😢

[@ElTaitronAnim]

For additional frustration, Nintendo didn't even have the decency to put ANYTHING on sale before closing. I (unintentionally) waited until the last week, hoping that there would be any kind of closing sale, even until the last couple days, but nothing. At least Capcom did an 80-90%ish sale on a lot of things, but not Nintendo. Also, download codes were deactivated during the final day, which is an extraordinarily rude move. Although they have been activated again, so they must have gotten a LOT of complaints.

[@awildmoose6541]

just. pirate. games.

[@ginormousaurus8394]

I was one of the people who called Nintendo about download code redemptions being shut down before the Wii U and 3DS eShops closed. I found out about the problem when I couldn't redeem an exclusive download code that came with the digital version of Yo-kai Watch Blasters. I had to play through the game for hours before I could reach the part where the code could be redeemed only to find out it was no longer working. Nintendo told me to try the code again later and call them back tomorrow if it still wasn't working. I kept trying to redeem the code throughout the day, but it still wasn't working minutes before the 3DS eShop closed down. I was able to redeem the code the next day after service was restored, but it was frustrating having to spend a long time to get through to Nintendo and not knowing when or if the ability to redeem download codes would be restored. I was going to buy the Super Smash Bros. for Wii U and 3DS DLC bundles on the last day but I didn't because people who bought the bundles weren't able to redeem the download codes for the 3DS version.

[@matthewLkidder]

An Eshop closes, gives moral liberty to pirate

[@LM-nb7rj]

YARRR, HOIST THE BLACK FLAG AND PREPARE TO SET SAIL! 🏴‍☠

[@megaman37456]

My friends you will always remember this as they day you almost caugh- *falls off cliff into the water*

[@joaop5033]

I was a pirate way before it was cool

[@bruwyvn]

As I said in another channel; Downloading abandonware is not piracy.

[@awildmoose6541]

and theres nothing wrong with piracy even if it wasnt abandonware

[@sageoffire3964]

I LITERALLY just typed in "eShop closure", and then got the notification for this video. The definition of literally PERFECT timing.

[@withoutthejuice7193]

literally

[@ThatGamerDude9000]

I don't get why they don't just make one huge eshop that they carry over between consoles and handhelds. Have all versions of a game on the same store page, then have something on the server that pings for something in the OS (or web browser app) on the hardware to tell which version of the game to download on the hardware. Instead of having to code different apps on the different systems, just make it a site you can access on the system's web browser (which all of them already have). That way you don't need to have multiple servers devoted to different shops that store the same credit/debit card data, and you just store it all in one place. And the customer doesn't need to worry about the shop being abandoned. As long as the wifi card in the system works, and the person has internet access, they can download a game.

[@awildmoose6541]

because why would they just choose to lose money? silly thing to not understand

[@ThatGamerDude9000]

@@awildmoose6541 how would they lose money? In the current way they operate, they've gotta pay software engineers to reinvent the wheel for every system. They've gotta have multiple servers up and running for each of the different system eshops. Then they frustrate customers when they have to shutdown a set of servers for legacy consoles. Consolidating to one eshop would save them money. To my knowledge, the ROM file for an NES game running on a 3DS is the same ROM file for one running on the switch, so it's not like they have to add multiple versions of a game to the server. They just gotta ping the device to see if it has the emulator to run the game before allowing the customer to download. Keeping an eshop open isn't going to prevent people from buying new hardware. New hardware has new games as well as better hardware. There is plenty of reasons to get the new console. If you are saying they are losing money because people aren't paying for a game multiple times, I am sure the company could find a way to force customers to pay for multiple downloads on different devices, but really, do you think that many people are buying all their legacy games each time they buy a new console? I think the server costs outweigh the money they make from redownloads.

[@DaGhostToastRoast]

It’s even worse that they have embraced subscription services and that we have to pay endlessly into a service now that could go away at any time just to play the classic games.

[@ThomastheDankEngine8900]

Nintendo: “you will own nothing, and you will be happy.” Furukawa simps: “yes master!” Anyone defending Furukawa’s garbage business decisions is not a Nintendo fan, they hate the company as much as Furukawa does and is a simp for him.

[@mr.awesome6011]

It would sting less if all of the games that were on 3DS and WiiU virtual consoles were on NSO but they're not. Not even close.

[@radaf4429]

You don't have to pay, literally no one is forcing you

[@InkyMuste]

I absolutely loathe these subscription services, how I wish they would just give us the option to buy older games individually again, it just feels like they're taking away all control from us.

[@DaGhostToastRoast]

@@radaf4429 My want to play n64 games on switch is forcing me. Well I could try to hack my switch but I’m not good at that and might break it.

[@evedigga]

Arlo thanks for the video....I subscribed when I saw that metroid on the desk!

[@meisterwu8922]

It's not just the eShops that were closed. Virtual Console has now officially died aswell.

[@redi.c.e.6046]

8 months later, and it really is a shame what’s gone down with the Completionist, cus he did do a really good thing, put a lot of money towards doing so, with that preservation project, and now we just… can’t really look back and say, ‘hey this awesome guy saved the game preservation society, he’s the hero of the story!’, because that’d be… giving credit to someone undeserving of credit… darn it all. At least the work is done, and that’s good, but its just a shame there’ll always be this sour taste looking back on it now.

[@benjaminmajeski140]

it seems like an easy solution to this would be to provide download codes on the nintendo website, and then have e-shop be download codes only.

[@TheDavidish]

That would work with the compliances that made them shut it down, but that would make too much sense for Nintendo. That would also be too consumer friendly for them

[@youtube_bat3811]

exactly the same idea as mine

[@raptyrn1290]

Arlo makes some very good points about the technicalities of what is and isn't piracy here. You can't steal something you can't buy to begin with, it's spot on.

[@verbatim7508]

Still doesn't make it okay to do.

[@raptyrn1290]

@@verbatim7508 Well sure it does. Theft implies that the item was ever *on sale* to begin with. You can't steal a can of soup, per se, when it doesn't even exist on the shelf within the store.

[@verbatim7508]

@@raptyrn1290 You're also not killing somebody by stealing that can of soup, either, but that doesn't make it okay. You're literally saying "it's not the same crime, so it's okay to commit a different one." You're not using your brain.

[@raptyrn1290]

​@@verbatim7508 Bro There is no soup to steal, that was my whole point.

[@verbatim7508]

@@raptyrn1290 IT'S NOT ABOUT STEALING SOUP. IT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CRIME ALTOGETHER, SO YOU CAN'T COMPARE IT TO STEALING SOUP. _HOLY SHIT_

[@MineWiz117]

I modded my 3ds a few days ago and it's one of the best decisions I've made. I have access to every digital only game, I can play a lot of JRPGs that are like $100+ on the aftermarket, and I can even play every GBA and DS games right from the home menu. You can even do some amazing stuff like get custom themes for the home screen or play fan translations and rom hacks. Considering this, it was crazy for me to see all of the people rushing out to get all of these digital games. They're literally giving Nintendo money to screw them over. Modding is the way to go.

[@cal7447]

Side tangent and I'm sorry but that angry Arlo in the thumbnail looks SO DAMN CUTE for some reason. Those brows. The jaws. Everything. It's so cute I kind of wish he'd get angry more often

[@justsomesimplenuclearbirbs4313]

Fans were so distraught about the 3DS eShop shutdown that one person gave the idea to include the 3DS eShop Bag in their fangames. So much so that the next update for CTGP-7 will have the little fella as an alternate character to race as. We've also got the music, SFXs and some of the graphics used in the 3DS eShop (including the eShop Bag him/herself, kinda going for a NiGHTS situation here) archived on both The VG Resource and here on KZbin. The eShop's legacy *will* live on. Regardless if Nintendo actually cares or not.

[@allanparker6874]

10:00 you'd think having a bunch of stuff people want would be good for business.

[@creativealias85]

hey yo arlo i hope u see this comment cause like i really feel like shouting out ur mega skills with puppeteering. like i know its pretty much an unspoken rule to not bring up the fact that youre a dude behind the puppet, but honestly part of what makes that so easy is the fact that your skills are so ridiculously good. you put so much effort into making the puppet express in realistic and believable ways, and it seriously brings to mind the stories of how muppet set workers would mic kermit puppets instead of voice actors because they would forget that it wasn't just kermit delivering the lines. ive never been into puppeteering but ive got major respect for the clear reverence youve got for your art form. keep on keepin on my man, youre a master of your craft!

[@redgeoblaze3752]

I think that installing old games that aren't being sold any more should be called Archaeology. Piracy when they're still being sold, Archaeology when they're not.

[@linklegend7536]

This whole eshop situation single handedly pushed me into modding my 3ds and wiiu. Never did ANYTHING with modding and had no expierence at all but it really is "surprisingly easy" the memes are not lying LOL

[@KanesTheName]

Exactly the same for me! Recently modded it so I didn't have to miss out on the eShop Ace Attorney games. Was quite intimidating at first but it's pretty much just a case of putting some folders and files on the SD card LOL

[@idontwantahandlethough]

*Wii U USB Helper* isn't the most optimal way to do things, but it's _alarmingly_ easy. If you are wondering if you can do it, you can! Even your grandma probably could tbh.

[@Rhubarb120]

Definitely. It didn't even take me an hour to mod my 3ds. It is super easy.

[@Ross516]

I've done nothing but quote the surprisingly easy memes since I hacked my 3ds because they *really* aren't wrong!

[@reddawn1873]

same

[@LM-nb7rj]

For a company like Nintendo that absolutely DESPISES piracy, they LOOOVE to take away games that people want.

[@ultimatebreak827]

Yea and its funny cause there systems are the easiest to pirate out of them all

[@t.fernbach602]

The problem is that Nintendo doesn't offer any alternative for 95% of games on those eShops. Give us an option to download those games on the Switch's eShop and we're golden.

[@firenze6478]

Or its only for rent on the horrible NSO

[@Antasma1]

Even if you like their Netflix styled classic library, what about games that came even later they’re not covering?

[@ChandloEnjoyer]

My favorite thing about Nintendo is how their first party games very rarely go on sale, because as a company, Nintendo believes the value of their games remains consistent, and does not drop with age. Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze, a Wii U game, still sells for $60 on the Switch, for this reason. They believe they are selling a quality product, and they do not want to devalue the product by lowering the price. And then they completely throw their games away by shutting down the eShop. They "want to focus on new things" rather than preserve the old games that play a vital role in their history. They both simultaneously refuse to let their games lose value AND refuse to let us play older games through digital storefronts. The only "solution" they have is Nintendo Online, which, as a service, is valuable, but prevents us from actually owning any of the games we want. We're not allowed to own any of their vintage games, we're only allowed to play the games Nintendo is willing to put on the service (I'm still waiting for Diddy Kong Racing), and we have to pay a continual fee to use this service that includes games that most people don't want to play. Nintendo, the developers, are some of the best in the business. I just wish they weren't part of Nintendo, the company, which has arguably the worst anti-consumer practices of any of the big three.

[@graftical]

In my opinion, I feel like it's too soon for the 3DS, rather than the Wii U. Usually between shop closures, it occurs around 5-7 years after said console had been discontinued. The DS and Wii got discontinued in 2012 and it's shops closed in 2017 and 2019, respectively. The Wii U got discontinued in 2016, and it's shops lasted until 2023, around the same amount of time as the Wii's. The 3DS got discontinued in September 2020, and it's shops closes less than 3 years after the fact. I get the 3DS lasted longer out of all of them, but it's ridiculous how short the 3DS's eShop lasted after the console stopped being produced.

[@youtube_bat3811]

exactly

[@tonycliftonLV69]

Captain Arlo bravely sails the seven seas!!!

[@deraile]

"Arlo with eyebrows can't hurt you he's not real." The thumbnail: _Allow me to introduce _*_Angrylo_*

[@TheOstrichOrginization]

I like how you talked about tracking down old games and having to track them down. When we found out that 3DS eshop was closing, I wanted to get a copy of Luigi’s Mansion 1. But I didn’t wanna pay 60 dollars for it off of ebay. So I was sad and cried myself to sleep. But then a few weeks ago, I went to GameStop because I needed a new Xbox controller. Then I saw they had Luigi’s mansion 1 for 15 bucks. I was so happy

[@bracedgod4505]

Or an Xbox controller with an emulator hehehe

[@DoctrDoc]

Who's Samus with a braid at 15:50? Guerrilla collection 3 has a lotta games in it!

[@staroutofspace4986]

I think the argument that it's difficult to maintain the legacy digital stores loses a lot of its weight when we remember that Sony was successfuly bullied into keeping up the PS3 store and Microsoft has never once announced plans to shutter the 360 store. To be fair, those storefronts have games that can download to modern consoles.

[@zjzr08]

I keep on thinking surely they can upgrade to newer architectures and update the store apps too to patch security issues right?

[@favna]

13:00 Piracy isn't the word to use, it's privateering Credits to Linus and Luke (LinusTechTips)

[@maestrogeicho]

"you can't steal an item from a store that doesn't sell that item" is the best analogy I've heard for ethical piracy

[@kingstarscream3807]

Sure you can

[@snazzybull]

Remember friends, softmodding and adding homebrew to your 3ds for modding and backups and anything else your heart desires is extremely easy

[@Draezeth]

THANK YOU! If there is no official way to buy something.... IT ISN'T PIRACY!

[@generalbutterscotch4887]

Nintendo: "Trying to run an eshop on old software is too hard" Steam: "Gonna cry?"

[@DoMorrMusic]

Jirard is a chad for buying every single eshop game.

[@DGFTardin]

I mantain that Arlo has the best ads

[@Oso-Gaming]

So ends the reign of Arlo. After suggesting he would download ROMs he didn't already purchase, the blue monster was taken out by Nintendo DMCA Snipers... it was great while it lasted.

[@DanielR0828]

That ad was... divine

[@OneMaskedNinja]

"You can't steal an item from a store that doesn't sell that item." Thank you Mr. Arlo for a great new quote that perfectly encapsulates my stance on emulation.

[@jacobcordell2882]

Have a great weekend arlo

[@8bitcrook273]

"Piracy is a customer service issue" - Book of Gaben 23:20

[@thebigskip-e]

I'm not mad that they took them down. I'm mad that they said they will continue to support the Wii U and 3DS, and THEN they took it down.

[@sigvif]

It was never going to last forever.

[@ananon5771]

@@sigvif then its time to set for the high seas.

[@danyx855]

My brain subconsciously conviced itself the puppet is the real Arlo whenever I don't actively think about it lol

[@DS9TREK]

What puppet?🤔

[@ZoruaMaster]

What you mean? He's a friendly blue monster.

[@halcyonacoustic7366]

I've met arlo at a con. I met arlo the man. I do not remember what he looks like lol.

[@littlefiddlesticks]

Theres a puppet?

[@binb5213]

the closure of the wii u eshop also leaves no way to legitimately purchase pikmin 1 or 2 for the first time since their release

[@HDGamerofficial]

Yes Arlo! Raise your flag and join us in the seven seas!!! 🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️

[@Spinner891]

Yarr matey! In the face of anti-consumerism, piracy becomes consumerism. Don't like it game companies? Then be better than piracy.

[@metaldiceman]

Arlo's rage is so contagious. I love it.

[@atariboy9084]

What's angers me, depressed me, saddens me, annoyed me and confuse me to no end is that the video game industry is the only media companies in the world that could remove any of there physical media forever where in the books, tv, movie and the music industry you can both download and stream there medium on the any computer but also you can still get there physical medium. They are still making hard cover books with pages, you can still buy CD and some case real vinyl records, you can still buy DVD/ Blu-ray movies but for some ungodly reason the video gaming industry are just saying we don't care about video games as physical media just treat them as fast food items like a cheese burger and just eat them once and it's gone forever.

[@ExploDjinn]

Waited until the last minute, because that's the only way I operate, but I managed to download everything I wanted from the e-Shop. That said, I imagine something that I missed will be brought to my attention at some point, so I'm really glad I have an extra 3DS just sitting around that I can, uh, do stuff with. Like look at.

[@PXKMProductionsGaming]

Imagine if they went the extra mile and added support not only for 3DS emulation on Wii U, but also 3D tv support. That would be so over the top but I’d love it.

[@edwheezer6231]

Dang, that section on piracy was really thought provoking. "You can't steal an item from a store that doesn't sell that item." That's... so true, actually. It'll be fascinating to see if the public perception of "piracy" starts to change as more and more stuff shuts down. The Switch eShop is LOADED with small exclusives, and quality of the games be darned, the majority of those will vanish permanently once the shop closes. And what happens then? Will Nintendo really expect everyone to buy and download all of the good games before the shop closes? And if so, will we really wade through hundreds of thousands of games on a laggy storefront with no review system just to find the games we want while also having to worry about storage space? Or will we just pirate any we learn about after the fact? I'm not quite sure yet, but... it will be interesting.

[@Boulder7685]

So long as people don’t get the idea in their head that “well this won’t be available in the store forever so it’s fine to pirate it now” I think it’s a fine stance. It’s one thing to either wait out the Switch’s entire eShop lifespan and then go and download the games sold for free, it’s another thing entirely to do it while you can still buy the game you intend to play on said hardware but choose to download it for free instead. And I can’t imagine that anyone would reasonably argue that it’s justified for them to download a game like Octopath Traveler for their Switch after the Switch’s shop is closed while they could instead be buying it legally somewhere else like Steam. I could accept someone buying it on Steam and then downloading it to their Switch in that case, but then at least some dues were being paid, even in a roundabout manner. And to bat aside potential responses, I chose Octopath because it’s a game where I’ve never heard any controversy around its developmental or publishing practices such as another case I know of like Nier; Automata with its excessively buggy launch state, or a game like FO: 76 with its horrible bugs combined with a predatory and unnecessary microtransaction system. Those have their own discussions, I felt like Octopath sits in a comfy place to use as a case study or case example or whatever.

[@rockoman100]

I feel like being too into the corporate Nintendo ecosystem makes people say things like "Yea it can't stay open forever and yea it costs money" and totally forget about the fact that there are community supported projects to keep these sorts of titles alive that basically do last forever. When you remove the logic of profit literally anything becomes possible. There are massive online repositories of Nintendo games being maintained by rag tag scrap teams that also have to deal with dodging lawsuits and relocating data to other countries constantly, and some of these things have been online for 20 fucking years. Nintendo is making a strategic money-making decision, not a logistical tough-call that they regrettably "have to" do. They _do not care_ that these games are disappearing, because preserving their artistic legacy is NOT their modus operandi.

[@scoobydoo23320]

The shift in opinion on privacy is not just because of Nintendo. Lots of streaming shows never get physical release now. And many are platform exclusives. So if that company decides to remove the show they only way to watch it is illegally. This has happened to Infinity Train season 3 and 4. They were HBO max exclusives that never got dvd release and got pulled from the platform.

[@greengreens6347]

They're on Amazon I believe

[@derekw8039]

Nintendo: * Hates emulation * Also Nintendo: * Thanos snaps half its legacy library out of existence, making emulation the only way to access them *

[@spoopyghost3333]

I remember Flipnote Hatena. It was a uploading animation service? Well it didn't stream. But, you could upload animations, and fonts, or some drawings, mainly animations. Nintendo suddenly shut that down with no real explanation. It was, I think, 2014 when they took down the DSi Hatena. The 3DS Hatena didn't stand a chance. I think it lasted for a handful of years than Nintendo just said "haha no." Hatena was free, you could watch animations or make your own, or copy someone's format, and you could buy colored stars that were worth money I think, and tip plain yellow stars if you didn't want to get purple or green. It was fun! It was great! Of course it had its problems like reuploading and tracing, but it showed off amazing animations that people poured their heart and soul into! I know I did! I wanted to upload my animations but wasn't figuring out how to work email at age 14-ish. But Nintendo just took it all down for almost no reason for both DSi and 3DS.

[@darrenmacqueen9884]

Two things I hope Nintendo does going forward: 1. They need to keep the same storefront on all their consoles from now on like Sony and Microsoft do. Sony didn't need to close their old stores because it's all one store. You can still buy stuff on the PS3 store to this day. 2. The next console should be a hybrid model like the current Switch, but allow for the the handheld model to communicate with the dock wirelessly, enabling for dual screen options with the TV. This will allow DS, 3DS, and Wii U games that use the dual screen to still be played. And they can make new dual screen games if they want. And then I hope they just stick with that model going forward. No new weird gimmicks. Edit: A third thing I hope for is backwards compatibility with the Switch like what Sony is doing now and Microsoft has been doing all along. Keeping the same storefront would make it easier, so hopefully Nintendo can finally learn from their competition.

[@littlefiddlesticks]

If they follow your hopes for the new system, i would be such a happy nerd!

[@Valcuda]

That's what I thought Nintendo was doing, when they made the Swotch eShop!

[@Wiki1184]

That’s what I’d want to. I feel pretty secure knowing the 360’s store is probably going to last as long as Microsoft is still making consoles.

[@E_Fig05]

I love the Metroid with glasses.

[@halcyonacoustic7366]

It just feels like nintendo is fundamentally a toy company and that's their mindset. Not a media company with a library of historical significance. No, they just happen to make toys and who cares if it's out of print, you'll play it when we say it's okay to do so.

[@Jormunguandr]

Gonna miss the eshop music tracks.

[@ToxikDnB544]

Arlo: “I’m gonna have to pirate it!” Everyone else: “first time?”