ARM Windows 11 on RK3588 SBC (Orange Pi 5)

[@jj74qformerlyjailbreak3]

We’re not “taking a closer look” We’re “Getting Started” Today. My Sunday’s will never be the same. Thanks Chris.

[@perrymcclusky4695]

Simply amazing. All you need is a little software, a few ducks and you’ve got Windows 11 on another ARM computer. Looking forward to your next video!

[@ExplainingComputers]

Greetings Perry!

[@johntrevy1]

When you have a few Duck allies anything is possible.

[@perrymcclusky4695]

@@ExplainingComputers Always wonderful to be greeted by you! Can’t wait for someone to run Windows 11 on a RISC-V computer. It’s amazing what can be accomplished nowadays! Looking forward to next Sunday.

[@perrymcclusky4695]

@@johntrevy1 Maybe it’s because the ducks talk back. Maybe I need to find some ducks of my own.

[@johntrevy1]

@@perrymcclusky4695 GO for it. Unfortunately for me there is a bit of a language barrier since all the ducks will hear from me is *MEOW, MEOW, MEOW*

[@marcse7en]

As well as admiring his skill at Explaining Computers, I love Chris' character and his humour! As well as naming his tools, he says things like, "Let's be exciting!" as he downloads, extracts, and writes his files! 🤣 "This is an exciting video (with ducks), isn't it?" You're mad as a box of frogs, but DON'T EVER CHANGE, Chris! 👍🤣

[@ExplainingComputers]

Thanks for this. :) I did enjoy making this video.

[@lawrenceallwright7041]

Gotta have ducks 🦆🦆🦆🦆🦆

[@RoboNuggie]

Although not a Windows user, I can see he merit of this movement to all things Arm - Windows included, I've loved using an Arm computer since the Acorn days (still do), and wouldn't have imagined it would come this far. Thank you Chris, as always.... you really are the SBC king :-)

[@ExplainingComputers]

Greetings my friend, and thanks for your support.

[@terrydaktyllus1320]

I love your channel and work with FreeBSD - and Chris' work with SBC's too. But responsible computing advocates (and I include myself in that as a Linux and UNIX SME of more than 30 years experience) should be highlighting the dangers of closed source OSes (whether Google, Apple or Microsoft) and their affect on privacy.

[@RoboNuggie]

@@terrydaktyllus1320 You have a point, and that would be a great video topic....

[@terrydaktyllus1320]

@@RoboNuggie It's not for me to tell you how to run your channel but I enjoy your content extremely, even though I use Linux more than FreeBSD but still love anything UNIX. But I think the message needs to be made loud and clear that "convenience" and "privacy" are opposing systems. It shocks me, for example, to be walking down my local high street and see a youngster holding a hands free mobile phone to their mouth and me being able to hear an entire conversation - sometimes with stuff being said that I would find embarrassing to say in public! There are kids now that have zero concept of privacy, and I bet the evil corporations of Google, Apple, Microsoft, Facebook and Amazon love it.

[@ps3customgamer]

Not windows! How are you enjoying command line

[@legojenn]

Interesting video. Thanks for making it. It makes Microsoft's arguments even more dubious that Windows needs modern hardware when their operating system can run on a SBC. One thing that I love about this channel is that I often think "nice, but I have no use case for that, besides the tech isn't mature", but once in a while, something will come up and I'll remember one of your videos.

[@chaoticsystem2211]

MS wants us to buy new hardware so they call sell us another copy of windows...

[@mozzjones6943]

You'll be amazed how well windows runs once you strip out all the crap! Atlas OS is quite something, Windows 10 is running faster on my A10-6700 APU with 4gb ram than the full version on my Ryzen 5800 with 16gb ram and rtx 3080ti lol

[@StephenC050]

Consider me impressed, but what really stood out is just how much we take for granted network connectivity for just about everything we do from setting up all the way to installing software.

[@ExplainingComputers]

I had the same thought -- suddenly -- "oh, this is how we used to do everything".

[@StephenC050]

@@ExplainingComputers steady on… you didn’t use floppy’s did you? 😂😂

[@cromulence]

Really interesting stuff. The first manufacturer who can provide full GPU acceleration on one of these boards would make an absolute mint - they look fantastic!

[@ExplainingComputers]

Agreed. So much potential with RK3588 boards.

[@johntrevy1]

@@ExplainingComputers I think RISCOS needs to make a serious return.

[@stephensu4371]

yeah if some one can provide full gpu drive that will be interesting

[@timanderson5723]

The Task manager performance tab showing logical core and memory usage would be interesting.

[@prscrystalized3706]

It really looks like these boards will shine when the GPU support is reliably implemented. Still watching with interest.

[@silentios7336]

We use some ARM based MS surface's in our company and i can tell you right of the bat, the support is horrendously bad. I do hope it will change soon, but that only time can tell.

[@SirTodd]

@@silentios7336 that's the official ms version. There's a brilliant guy named 'mariob' that offers his own version of the OS for these 'unsupported' boards and his work is much, much better as it's not limited by some governing board. He's a great guy and really intelligent. In fact, he's a one man team and he's the one that's built each of the windows OSes available for everything not endorsed by MS themselves and his work is 100x better. I encourage everyone to migrate to his OS because you won't need support for anything that he doesn't mention up front. If he says it's stable then it's stable.

[@alanthornton3530]

Thanks Chris for another amazing video. Once the drivers get sorted for sound, ethernet & GPU the future is going to look exciting for arm boards! I'm looking forward to the updated video, brilliant! :)

[@hb1338]

One of the reasons that Windows 7 was so successful is that Microsoft did an enormous amount of work with hardware manufacturers to ensure that AT LAUNCH it had driver support for just about every piece of hardware on the planet. I hope very much that the board manufacturers will make sure that they provide Windows drivers for their boards in a timely manner, otherwise there is a very real risk that Windows on ARM will be a short lived project.

[@hermanwooster8944]

@@hb1338 The much-rumored Windows 12 is a perfect opportunity to fix this.

[@waynebickell1793]

This was way over my head. I'm going to have to watch it again! On another note, your recent review of a BMax mini PC inspired me to purchase a Beelink Mini S12 Pro N100 with 16Gb RAM and 500Gb SSD. I paid just under 27,000 yen for it (about 160 pounds) It should arrive today and the first thing I'll do is wipe Windows and install Linux!

[@ExplainingComputers]

Enjoy your new PC. :)

[@ig8uh8m8]

videos from this man alone are the sole reason why ive maintained an interest in working on windows machines. and to think i almost stopped using windows permanently. AMA, Current machines are an HP T630 (Linux Mint Daily driver), Generic laptop (windows 11), Dell Optiplex 730 (Build in progress, used as file server)

[@danielpicassomunoz2752]

An LTSC (less bloated, yet Microsoft official) version would be interesting for a low power office solution

[@marcinoo97]

but 19044 has no x64 emulation support so it will be less fun.

[@vicmac3513]

LTSC is heavily bloated and super slow compared to LTSB.

[@Michaelmaertzdorf]

@@marcinoo97 Rumor has it 23H2 / 24H@ of Windows 11 is also going to be the first LTSC build/release

[@Okurka.]

@@vicmac3513 IoT LTSC isn't.

[@TheRedmarlboroman]

Just curious to ask, why you didn’t use the m.2 slot so that you can use nvme ssd and you can reduce the use of usb to sata cable which can look more neater ?

Considering that it had no GPU acceleration it was running very well. I waited that you will show the Device Manager in the video, but maybe next time :)

[@martinsmith5028]

Thanks Chris. Very promising for the future once they get the drivers optimised for the architecture. I expect that the performance will seriously improve when Microsoft get both the hardware and software sorted and when the next generation of SBCs are released

[@Razor_Burn]

Early days but very promising to see work being done to support RK3588 chips so well done and thanks for sharing Chris as you demonstrated things wonderfully 🎉

[@povilasstaniulis9484]

Thanks for the video. What Windows ARM needs is to become a first class citizen, not something that only runs properly on a few boards chosen by Microsoft.

[@Crabbyfeet]

One of your first viewers! It's so pleasing to watch your videos on a nice sunday evening.

[@ExplainingComputers]

Greetings -- and thanks for watching.

[@MaxGoof]

Thanks for another great video, Chris! Windows on ARM hopefully offers a glimpse for a promising future, especially for running legacy applications that didn't have significant hardware requirements by today's standards.

[@PS_Tube]

Greetings Chris. These various open source projects really improving usability of devices even though big tech don't seem too enthusiastic about. Awesome tutorial as always. 👏

[@terrydaktyllus1320]

Sorry, what specifically about Windows 11 is "open source"? I have cleared missed something.

[@johnsonlam]

Thanks for the review, it's a long road for a true portable and useable computer, still have some mileage ahead.

[@shawnvines2514]

Most excellent video. Thank you for sharing all the details about how to get this to work and the issues you experienced.

[@Kw1161]

Chris thanks for another informative video. I keep waiting for the MS EULA is for the to include the permission for the MS installer to delete all non MS systems and software….😂! Have a nice week.

[@srtcsb]

Lol... SneakerNet. 😂 A term I've used since the old Zip drive days. Thanks for another great video Chris.

[@ExplainingComputers]

Greetings Steve. :)

[@sjukfan]

Woah! "Sneaker net". Haven't heard that phrase since the 90s 🙂

[@Colin_Ames]

Interesting, thanks for showing this. Once they get the drivers optimized it might be usable.

[@aytviewer2421]

Cool and thanks. Looks promising! Bring on the RPi 5 models!

[@mikefinn2101]

Great video as usual and very great to watch and enjoy Love your channel as I learn so much and really appreciate you taking the time to share this very important video You really make watching and learning computer so enjoyable you're very kind Peter thanks a Billion Mike

[@HKey_Root]

Terrific but so near yet so far. I shall watch progress carefully. Thanks for the vid.

[@maxdiamond55]

Fabulous video. Very excited about x86 apps on the orange pi via widows install. Thanks 👍🏿

[@avejst]

WOW, impressive hack Thanks for showing a new route for the SBC's Thanks for sharing your experiences with all of us 🙂

[@bobnelsonfr]

If Raspberry doesn't make the PI 5 truly available soon, I'll get an Orange Pi 5 Plus. I agree that it would be very cool to get Windows running on either board. I saw somewhere that contractual issues will prevent Qualcomm from putting its new Snapdragon X in Windows machines. Pity 'bout that!

[@ShadowPriestBear]

As always a good well video! Love your content Chris.

[@SchoolforHackers]

Ah, Sunday Morning Tea With a Timelord. Splendid.

[@ExplainingComputers]

:)

[@John_Mack]

ARM still has a way to go to be an option for those of us who use highly intensive applications that require a lot of computing horsepower. Even Apples ARM Chip fails in this regard. That said, software developers are porting programs over, so I guess we will see. I would love to have a powerful, pocketable ARM PC that I can take from job to job running Revit or Civil3D and be able to do Rendering at a client site. I am sure that ARM in its current configuration is fine for simple tasks. We do not all do simple tasks though. Great video as always Chris!!

[@Chris.Wiley.]

I hope there comes a day when it's possible to build your own ARM PC much like we build x86 PCs today.

[@ExplainingComputers]

What a great thought!

[@johntrevy1]

Agreed. And it is doable if you remember the RISCPC from Acorn (who seem to be getting the last laugh).

[@LivingLinux]

Have a look at Phytium D2000. I have one with a Radeon RX550 GPU.

[@hermanwooster8944]

@@LivingLinux That's China-only, right? What OS are you running and how does it compare to x86?

[@phrankus2009]

I agree with your predictive conclusion. I suppose it will come down to : Cost per Operations per Unit Time

[@phrankus2009]

And, by that, same token, it would follow that RISC-V will overtake ARM, even before ARM has supplanted X86. In future, we may even see a custom Ap-Processor chip, for each, licensed copy, of each, major App. (media editing and graphics creation, etc.).

[@jekkiel-dorado3791]

Many thanks for tested Win11 on RK3588. 😊👍 If possible, please test Win11 at other RK3588 Computers with emms (UEFI) and nvme (Win11) ssd's. Please check full Hardware Support and If possible to run Android Apps (WSA). I want to use Android and Windows Apps/Games in one OS at RK3588 with 16GB RAM and 500GB hard disc. Thank you for future videos.

[@IEnjoyCreatingVideos]

Nice video Chris! Thanks for sharing it with us!😎💖👍JP

[@user-28qhfk65]

Great video! I've tested windows 10 on pi 4 before and I managed to connect to the internet via usb tethering connected to my android phone, iphone also works too. I also managed to get windows 10 activated and ms office 2019 also activated on the pi 4, and it works amazingly smooth BUT I won't recommend anyone actually do it though. As far as I know, microsoft has an exclusive deal with qualcomm on the development of windows on arm, and it might have happened before apple on m1 is even announced. Hopefully the deal will expires in a few more years so until then, our only solution to get windows running arm is only through unofficial community maintained projects..

[@hidde1626]

I'm very impressed by the speed.

[@CCoburn3]

Good video. It will be great when they get the drivers sorted out. (Nice to see the ducks.)

[@plutarcocriterion754]

Thanks a lot Sr for do8ng this sunday happy for all

[@tomashertl8895]

Nice work Chris! Thank you very much.

[@maxdeusphallus8974]

Chris, great video. Very informative and entertaining.

[@Dave102693]

I can’t wait for an Windows arm tablet one day

[@MichelMorinMontreal]

Expert digital tinkering! Congratulations... and thank you!

[@AbhTri-kq8hc]

ARM is going to be the future for normal users, gamers and editors ofc will ofc stick to x86, esp given how apple has shifted its laptops on their inhouse arm chip.

[@dezmondwhitney1208]

Clearly Shows the Potential of these new arm Socs. It looks like Arm is on the up. Windows to run well on an SOoc? Great.

[@GadgetUK164]

Amazing stuff! Looks like ARM might be the future!

[@johntrevy1]

Will be the future.

[@Pridetoons]

It will be, if we get good GPU support.

[@LivingLinux]

RISC-V disagrees. 😉

[@MaxGoof]

My first thought was "ARM has been the future for a long time." I am glad ARM is maturing, but I do like having a choice of architecture, so I'm glad to see RISC-V being developed.

[@johntrevy1]

@@LivingLinux I don't see any current benefits of RISC-V other than political outrage.

[@pardal902]

and worked well with 4Gb RAM, looks nice.

[@encodersofia]

Sold my Raspberry Pi 4 the other day. Can't wait for my Orange Pi 5 to arrive, so i can experiment

[@ExplainingComputers]

It is a very good board, with growing support for all kinds of stuff. Enjoy your experiments. :)

[@l0g1cseer47]

Great software novae hardware tweaking and experimental ideas. Thanks for sharing!!

[@PenryMMJ]

Microsoft: "you will not have our latest OS on lower powered systems" The Community: "yes we will"

[@robertanthonybermudez5545]

wow! impressive! thanks for making this video. Can you also show power usage in the next videos?

[@wlsports3608]

Usually 3.5w or less

[@brianwood5220]

Great video, Chris. Thanks for sharing.

[@sbc_tinkerer]

Greetings good sir! Excellent videoooo. Thank you for introducing us to WoR even if a WiP. VERY interesting. Love to see it in a more mature state. Love the compatible with "other glorified mobile phones" in the warning box Curious what that may mean. But now that's it for another Sunday! Stay well my friend!

[@ExplainingComputers]

I thought this one my interest you. And I imagine WoR will crack the driver support.

[@sbc_tinkerer]

@@ExplainingComputers No doubt!

[@patricktierney3269]

Thanks Chris for another informative, interesting video. Since this is an OS video... On a number of your videos regarding orange/banana pi you mention that the software for a number of these SBCs is "iffy." Have you thought about doing a video to build an OS for these devices using Buildroot? That might be exciting!

[@James_T_Quirk]

Well Chris you are right about ARM taking over from x86, & it's about the Cores, MAC has 16 Core CPU's everybody else will play catch-up to Match Performance, I like the Orange Pi 5 myself, it is quite quick, I use a Crucial 500gb M2 NVME SSD & Network Port Functions for me, I thank you for removing any notion of installing Windows 11 on a Pi 5 on a Dare ...

[@andic6676]

I haven't watched the video in full yet, but I just wanted to say that for everyday usage something like an old 4th Gen i3/i5 PC running Debian or a Deb Spin is fine. Just watched it in full - WOW - its performance is pretty impressive :)....an advantage I can see immediately is lower power consumption and I would like to see how something like Zoom or Skype would work. The RPi Foundation really needs to consider marketing their new models towards a true desktop replacement offering Arm Windows 11 compatibility, as the reduction of power consumption offered by ARM processors must surely be an attractive proposition to buyers.

[@johncundiff7075]

Very interesting video as always Mr. Barnatt! As always, thanks for clearly and concisely Explaining Computers!!!

[@marcinoo97]

Random info but latest insider (25357) is like 3% faster in most tasks than normal stable release of 22621 as there were some arm specific optimisations made.

[@noble_lime]

Ya, there is a whole project porting windows arm to android phones. (I am maintaining mi 11 lite ne 5g)

[@TedTheTree]

So exciting Chris;

[@chriholt]

Very impressive - I have to imagine that Intel may be getting a little nervous!

[@ExplainingComputers]

Greetings Chris.

[@ProdDeity]

WinTel isn't going anywhere. It'll stay primary focus for both parties until the end of days

[@PrinceAlberts]

A very interesting video with implications that Intel, and X86 by extension, are losing ground, albeit very slowly. Still, the most surprising thing here was that we got started, rather than taking a closer look. 1:37

[@ExplainingComputers]

:)

[@SirTodd]

Chris, have you seen or heard of the 'indiedroid nova' yet? It's a really great board thats aimed more at multimedia applications. Nonetheless, you can get it in similar specs as the Opi5, but the emmc is changeable like the Odroid boards. I've recently had the _pleasure_ of doing some dev work on it and it's a new rk3588s board. it's quite impressive how the community of developers have rallied together behind the scenes to work out all of the kinks in support for these boards. I've not tried the Opi5 yet, but most of the Chinese manufactured boards are quite similar. The rk3588s is really a quite impressive leap forward by rockchip when compared to their second in line, the rk3399.

[@NicolasChapadosGirard]

Keep the experiment coming! Also will you do a automated. Greenhouse eventually?

[@ExplainingComputers]

Thanks for this. I had forgotten my plan to automate my greenhouse. I very useful reminder on many levels. I've made a note.

[@Zynrix]

Please make more unboxing videos. I really enjoy ASMR and miss Mr. Scissors ✂️ and Stanley the Knife

[@ExplainingComputers]

Noted!

[@chromerims]

Thank you EC 👍 Does the ssd adapter have a UASP ic? Which would make it quicker. lsusb command (or something like) that will check. Kindest regards, neighbours.

[@srvuk]

It is impressive but again it does illustrate the continual barrier to progress on such architecture, the lack of manufacturer provided hardware accelerated GPU drivers in too many OS's.

[@Praxibetel-Ix]

Lovely to see Windows 11 working well on the Orange Pi! However, you did leave out a very important test; to see if it'll run Solitaire properly. 😅 I do have a couple questions here today. 1. Do you usually bring something tasty for the ducks when you go and have a chat with them? 2. Did you happen to see that new Doctor Who trailer yesterday? ;)

[@ExplainingComputers]

Greetings my friend. I did indeed see the new trailer -- Beep the Meep is coming with his Dr Who Weekly comic strip friends! :) On that occasion I did not feed the ducks, but somebody else did -- which brought them together on land nicely for the camera. I also saw a wild rabbit, but it was rather camera shy.

[@Praxibetel-Ix]

@@ExplainingComputers Aww, bunny! Bunnies are always good critters. Beep the Meep looks like a good critter too, and a very cute and fluffy one at that. I look forward to seeing him getting on with David Tennant!

[@crystalsheep1434]

Perfect timeing for this i was just looking at orange pi's strage how much orange pi's have gone up in price

[@notune424]

It's like you're reading my mind.

[@savage-goose]

X86 is going nowhere, this is really impressive though and I look forward to seeing ARM continue to grow.

[@ABRetroCollections]

Don't be so sure about that. You would have to convince NVIDIA, AMD, and Intel to get onboard with making GPU's for ARM which they would never do. ARM isn't suited for gamers.

[@hermanwooster8944]

@@ABRetroCollections ARM already has gamers in the mobile sector. Games will scale with performance.

[@sunsethorizonstudios]

It’s a great great great day when he uploads

[@Praxibetel-Ix]

Yup! ^_^

[@ExplainingComputers]

Thanks, appreciated. :)

[@YanFei-zi7mm]

Thank you - I wonder if Intel can pick up in the future as it fails to meet the expectation of the customers.

[@BagusSumanjaya]

Greetings Mr. Barnatt. Thats awesome. Orange pi can run windows 11

[@ExplainingComputers]

Greeting! I am glad that you appreciate the ARM Windows potential. :)

[@KostsovKonstantin]

Спасибо Вам большое за этот видеоурок.

[@Sithhy]

NTdev needs to make a Tiny11 version of this ARM variant

[@FlyboyHelosim]

I love that the UUP Dump website considers the Apple Mac M1 a glorified mobile phone. 😂

[@viarr824]

I did this early April. I used the arm version iso of tiny11 instead of the uup. No network for me either. I also found working native arm's of firefox and mpv.

[@fram1111]

I'm very impressed also hopefully Apple in Microsoft can start playing leapfrog again, what Apple has quite the lead. Until next time thank you very much

[@kencreten7308]

Very interesting. Thanks so much.

[@sc0or]

Despite Apple transitioned to ARM, that’s not a same thing to M$. Cause Lenovo, or Dell, or Acer must make this transition. For M$ it’s a piece of cake to compile their soft with a different compiler. But Intel got those manufacturers. So.. Use WoR for now )

[@setoman1]

Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should. Stay FOSS, my friends.

[@parrotraiser6541]

I'm always pleased to see threats to X86's hegemony, but this is still rather in "Standing up in a hammock" level of complication.

[@ditzydoo4378]

quite exciting to so the lengths they've gone to bring ARM to MS.

[@jonathanbsherman]

I wish Qualcomm was making Snapdragon 8 single board computers so enterprises could have fast lightweight secure PC’s at a reasonable price.

[@andic6676]

Great video Chris...but there's going to be a Windows 12???!!

[@ExplainingComputers]

So we hear. And as I noted, there are rumours it will be optimized for ARM . . . :)

[@zetaconvex1987]

This video is exactly what Intel didn't want to hear.

[@catriona_drummond]

Can't wait to install Windows on my M1 MacBook. :P

[@gmsterben5393]

Hi, Thank you very on the windows installation teaching, I wonder if there is a way to connect to the internet with the orange pi ?

[@kiodiekin]

website for uupdump appears to be down

[@pazitor]

Exciting, indeed!

[@christopherleadholm6677]

Hello, fellow Christopher! back again.... That looks really cool! I noticed there has been a somewhat recent improvement in performance on Win11 for the Pi4. Maybe about a month ago or so I noticed the speed boost. I am glad to see this up and running! Does it work on the RockPro64, by chance, do you know? For the RockChip3399?

[@ExplainingComputers]

Greetings! The WoR project work is RK3588 only as far as I am aware. RK3399 would open up a lot of possibilities, but the RK3388 is more powerful, hence a better bet for Windows (and a more modern chip with Win 11 support).

[@jackyli6716]

Thanks Chris's video, it is awesome, and i want to know if the temperature will reach to 75 degrees when you running a desktop application on windows 11 ? and 52Pi has launched ice tower for orange pi 5 and orange Pi 5b too, will you test it on both windows 11 and ubuntu linux ?

[@ExplainingComputers]

I did not find any means of measuring the temperature in Wndows 11, but the heat sink on my Orange Pi 5 never got that warm.

[@archibald_haddock]

Windows should have forked a decade ago. There should be a modern version for most of the world, and a 'legacy capable' version for all those needing to run old and custom software. It looks like ARM will finally get us there.

[@ExplainingComputers]

I agree. Microsoft really should have real "Home" and "Business" products -- with the Home one meeting the needs of home users, as you say. Although I also like the idea of a "Windows Legacy".

[@Techmagus76]

Looks like Microsoft plans to go fully armed into the next round of processor architecture wars.

[@HenryCavillage]

Good Morning my friend...

[@ExplainingComputers]

Greetings. :)