This $15 SBC is Amazing for Emulation! - Orange Pi Zero 3 Review

[@TakiUdon]

Taking bets on whether or not the Zero 4 will be $10.

[@Vulpas]

Hopefully

[@EmblemParade]

It's criminal that they are calling it "Zero" but charging more the $0. What happened to a little thing called Truth in Advertising?

[@xdoxstudios5218]

They used your a part of your video on the Amazon page

[@ttpechon2535]

@@xdoxstudios5218 Holy crap they did! Like 2 mins of it.

[@pendragnx]

unlikely.. the amazon link is now up to $23/board for the cheapest 1gig model

[@preppypunknyc]

Can you post a guide about the screen and controller setup you used for this. I think it would be cool. I'm sure I'm not alone in this 😂

[@ssdLusankya]

I was thinking the same thing.

[@DrAwoke]

Def not alone

[@Laihoistheman]

I know that the pad is a gamesir x2 pro, or maybe the non pro, it's the Bluetooth version. I can personally recommend the usb-c wired x2 pro, great controller, everything is clicky so if you prefer membrane maybe go with a backbone, the triggers are above average and the sticks are perfectly serviceable as well.

[@kevinnguyen3819]

5.5 inch HDMI AMOLED Display XYGStudy (amazon) looks similar, these mini monitors for the Pis dont seem to have a backplate from what I'm seeing

[@ttpechon2535]

Controller: Gamer Sir x2 Controller I can't post a link to the screen because youtube deletes my replies, but search for OLED Raspberry Pi Touchscreen 5.5 Inch Gonna have to do your own digging from there though.

[@edwardfletcher7790]

Orange Pi's always had serious SW & support difficulties 😩 It's a real shame because their HW is awesome 👍

[@kjrehberg]

Take a look at the Armbian project for a working Orange Pi operating system.

[@villagerjj]

I am working on getting dietpi working on it, will update this comment lf I succeed Update: didnt get it to work with dietpi, however there is an experimental armbian build that I tried, it worked really well.

[@arthurswanson3285]

Truth

[@daniel-nguyen]

Why does it also feel like when you install their Windows flashing tool you’re installing malware / spyware?

[@edwardfletcher7790]

@daniel-nguyen I'm so glad I haven't used Windows since 2002 👍

[@GustavoMsTrashCan]

That is REALLY impressive indeed! And dang, they are already planning on a Zero 4? That is awesome.

[@Joe-ot5bo]

Can you share more details on the screen / controller combo you have going on? I've been wanting something like this for ages for several use cases. Thanks so much for all the hard work!

[@junovicz]

same

[@r.in.shibuya]

It’s a common theme for most Chinese SBC manufacturers to not add GPU drivers support. They know that their customers base don’t demand it, and KZbinr’s like yourself help sell these boards really well for them. But at least you did cover the lack of GPU support so the educated audience can wait until Orange Pi gets their act together. The reason is simple. There is no point for them to add any additional effort to include GPU support when they haven’t from the beginning, and we’re still able to sell their products.

[@TakiUdon]

I'm pretty sure Allwinner is just too cheap to pay ARM for the Linux drivers since they created this processor to be an Android TV box chip. Linux wasn't their intended use, so they can save money.

[@miravi5547]

Тут уже писали, что поддержка гпу в линукс есть, её надо только активировать

[@magarcan]

​@@miravi5547 How?

[@greenprotag]

Porting an older version of android will probably be a better bet. We still have pretty much full compatibility with Dolphin and Aether with some of the older builds. That being said, we need a brave soul to get one of those legacy android builds to run specifically with this hardware.

[@ironhead65]

Links to the monitor and Bluetooth controller? Looks like a great set! Love to pickup that combo

[@tomdillan]

Thanks for the video, I was looking at this for a small htpc.

[@r0an3v3]

i think the fact that they have decent Linux support means this'll be a great pi replacement for some small pi projects that aren't heavily reliant on HATs (especially given the current prices on pis). Might actually get one for a project or two, great video!

[@victorlazaro6331]

Check the prices of Pi again. The prices have dropped to 2019 prices for Raspberry Pi, it's pretty amazing.

[@greggregowki2840]

@@beskydyk Armbian will never fully work on Orange PI

[@miravi5547]

Секта свидетелей малины будет отрицать

[@jemi011]

i have onn 4k tv box got it $19.88 from wallmart it comes with remote and cables it s great for emulators

[@fairyboy444]

so many memories with that showing of the grinch. i need to go back and actually play it since i didn’t get passed the beginning when i was 8

[@blindindianpeople2122]

I ordered 2x Zero 3 (1x 2GB & 1x 4GB)... Should be more than enough for Klipper

[@shivanSpS]

14:18 - Enabling the GPU on Linux is very easy, it already comes with the firmware module and mesa drivers. I think there are two options to enable it, either by manually editing the dtb file to enable the gpu module, or using the orangepi-config tool that comes with their OS, there is a "gpu" checkbox in one of the submenus. Manually editing the DTB works, ive done it.

[@miravi5547]

Для новичка это не очевидно

[@RWBHere]

Это тоже была моя мысль, @@miravi5547 .

[@RWBHere]

That's great, but not exactly Linux noob-friendly. If I had one of these boards it would be used for Linux. Android is hopeless in comparison.

[@onepalesoul]

What screen and controller is that? Looks nice

[@Furzball]

Exact reason I came into comments

[@nicolasopazo1199]

I think that the gamepad is the Gamesir x2 Bluetooth

[@Furzball]

@nicolasopazo1199 Thank you. That and a phone sized hdmi portable monitor. Been thinking of something like this for my own setup but was looking for an all in one setup. Still this is pretty small and cool to cobble together

[@qqmber]

Thank you! waiting for the first review of this device! my copy is on the way! I'll be waiting for your review regarding gpu dryers on linux.

[@scottramsay3671]

What's the controller/screen you're using?

[@luxorcephrenSE23]

Fyi, for N64 use NTSC roms to achieve a higher frame rate. Typically 30fps as opposed to 24-25fps

[@srvuk]

Not bad for what it is. Allwinner do tend to get toasty though and seem to get les support than Rockchip or AMLogic. Hardware acceleration will be a must for Linux.

[@mattdavis9601]

I've got an old LG prepaid phone that runs a Snapdragon 425. It, the SD425, also has 4 A53 cores and they're clocked at 1.4ghz. I retired it back before I got into emulation on Android; but, I know it still works and I have to assume that it'll be as capable as this Orange Pi device, right? Maybe I'll dig it out and see what it'll do. Thanks for the inspiration.

[@WildVoltorb]

Some old phones can't output to hdmi, but if this one can, it should be good to go. Just buy the cables

[@347573]

I think path visibility/editability restrictions are being put for security reasons, but it should be possible with some permission to give the apps the possibility o read/write into other than private storage...

[@AlteredCarbons]

neat little sbc. i almost wanna swap out my pi zero 2 w if that sbc fixes its issues it has right now.

[@joshualioi5144]

What's SBC stand for?

[@AlteredCarbons]

@@joshualioi5144 single board computer. its what like the Pi's are, and the other boards of this function

[@joshualioi5144]

@@AlteredCarbons oo thank you! I didn't know for real, and I own a few pies.

[@AlteredCarbons]

@@joshualioi5144 its all good man. i love answering questions. its what everyone should do for people

[@maxf1542]

what is the hdmi display you are using

[@ranchman693]

I noticed SanDisk cards have comparability issues with some things for example I tried to use one for my PS2 (I got a hacked memory card that used micro SD) and every other card other than the SanDisk one. For that reason I avoid them.

[@fearlesswee5036]

It's always crazy to me that these consoles that cost like $200 worth of hardware (not even accounting for the fact they usually sold consoles at a loss, and adjusted for inflation it's around $388 in today's money) can be so easily ran on a $15 little board in the modern era. Makes me wonder if in another 20-30 years we'll be emulating the PS5 on a little $20 SBC lmao

[@midosyt]

probably not since we're getting close to how small of transistors we can make

[@nuvotion-live]

@@midosytyeah but our chips are mostly 2D, I think we have a very long way to go.

[@keilmillerjr9701]

Misleading. This board is not going to be able to run accurate emulation for 30 year old games.

[@dpscloud3324]

@@midosyt We are already running console games on phones. I can totally see in 20-30 years a SBC running ps5 stuff. Just cause the transistors aren't getting any smaller doesn't mean we aren't working on newer technologies that are making those transistors better at what they do. Coupled with better designs and microarchitecture - the future is promising!

[@carloslint9914]

It's clear to me that's not gonna happen mainly due to physical constraints at transistor and power level. On a note, game tend not to need more CPU processing power, which is ther harder part of emulation, much of the evolution will be on graphics which costs slim to none on emulating and often can be leveraged by lowering resolution from 8192x4320 to "low res" full HD. That is, of course, if no revolutionary step happens, which we can't be sure at the time.

[@packfadly]

Thank's for the video. What is the screen that you're using?

[@daijoubu4529]

lol man over the years I was always worried about screwing things while its powered, for exactly this reason, in case/when I drop a screw, it could short it, I'm glad to know that it really does happen IRL haha

[@spectralvoid4875]

For a quadcore processor, it's pretty powerful.

[@YugiSatan]

Filtering max price to $17 on Ali gives ZERO results besides one for a Orange Pi 2. Stop trying to gaslight commenters that took their own time to attempt to buy this when several of us have looked and see literally ZERO at $15.90 or anywhere close $20.90 is the CHEAPEST for a Zero 3 on Ali, which is 1GB.

[@TakiUdon]

gaslight? Go to the company's website linked in the description. $14.90.

[@jojocarlos9143]

This one is a beast if issues were going to solve, and still stays with that price. Just sharing my thoughts. Happy gaming!

[@RetroBreezeYT]

Thank you Taki for testing The Grinch (Dreamcast)

[@reedwilliams1868]

It's amazing that you can match Nintendo Switch CPU performance with this thing!

[@Alitlittlehedgehog]

its easy to forget how miles ahead HL2 looked when it came out. it looked then like how cyberpunk looked or like hell blade did.

[@forgod__]

Great video, what screen are you using?

[@westsenkovec]

He was teaching his son about electronics? I thought Taki was 15 💀😂😂

[@tomikun8057]

12:39 On Android 12 you can bypass the SAF limitations with certain file explorers (Amaze, Material Files, etc.) that implement the SAF bypass on Android/data

[@reeseoreilly5768]

I might have missed this but did you do your tests on the base 1 go model or did you use a different model.

[@rb6719]

Just like others... inquiring minds want to know about about the screen and controller setup you used and where can I get it? Gimme gimme gimme! Thanks for all the good stuff you show us. (now gimme!)

[@BlenderHelixAlpha]

Can we please get info or a link to what screen/controllers you used in this video? That's kind of an essential part of this showcase.

[@TakiUdon]

Added the screen to the description. The controller is a GameSir X2 Bluetooth.

[@kjrehberg]

Thanks for a great video! By the way, did the Sandisk card use GPT or MBR partitions? That might be the problem.

[@gustavoburgos4993]

What RAM does the Orange Pi have that you used for the emulation test?

[@ligiafrangello5709]

one of his comments say "1GB for Android and 4GB for Linux."

[@Scriven42]

Pirates of Dark Water. LOVED that cartoon as a kid, how's the game?

[@gaminmind]

How did you manage to install Dig? When I try the screen turns black and doesnt create the folder. And duckstation can you share the version with the hardcoded directory? Please do a tutorial for the orange pi zero 3 😢

[@mortysmith2192]

15 bucks for something this capable is wild

[@moonlambo5229]

Damn that little things is powerful for the price!

[@galibcoc2873]

Amazing video.....Dude go ahead 🎉

[@trainsarecool190]

Is there a video on that screen? I'm really curious about it

[@yingbxua6240]

thanks for the review ! Can you pls share the models of the LCD & controller u r using ? Going to buy the board for print server use, but having some other capabilities onboard feels nice

[@DavidAlsh]

Can you do the Orange Pi 5? Would be cool to see if you can get Proton + FEX working

[@oracle-0018]

Why didn't you use daijisho? Would it work as a front end ? I am considering buying a zero 3 while the prices are low.

[@martinenguyen9574]

What screen and controller are you using for this video? Thank you in advance.

[@izzymcdaniel2550]

I like to know to it is awesome looking

[@junovicz]

Which ram configuration do you recommend for Android gaming and emulation?

[@chitan1362]

I might get one of these soon, though I would use true Debian and just compile and install the drivers to that manually.

[@ligiafrangello5709]

What size of RAM did you get? Do you recommend that size or a different one?

[@Bozzyshy]

This being this cheap and running N64 decently makes me wonder why the retro handhelds that can do N64 are so expensive. Either way this thing seems like a real bargain

[@typingcat]

Maybe power consumption? This one is running off DC. Handhelds run on batteries. So, they need to use chips that can do the work very power-efficiently, which probably costs more.

[@Bozzyshy]

@@typingcat Yeah that makes sense actually

[@3rutu5]

Reckon you could go that dajisiri front end (yeah cant spell it) and play a few good titles as a handheld emu station?

[@MNSweet]

Would you be willing to make a written guide for setup? I'm very new to emulation (not to gaming as I repair multiple OEMs). The furthest I dipped my toe into it, is Garlic on RG35XX and Miyoo OS on the PK Q90. If I pick this up it will be my first Pi. Any help is appreciated.

[@der_pinguin44]

$15 for a small block Chevy? Sign me up!

[@thumbtak123]

I have a device that requires flashing with a high speed card. It might be that the first card you use is not a high speed card.

[@westsenkovec]

Would something like this be good for torrenting and playing on 4k TV? There are free courses and other stuff that I can't download on my TV and I don't want to have my laptop on 24/7 to download files.

[@TakiUdon]

On Android, yes.

[@Doo-l5x]

13:16 Doom 3, HL2 run natively on Android?

[@thecoffeemaker7618]

as far as I know the pinephone pro uses the same chips. So you could try one of there mobile linux builds. The should have hardware acceleration

[@charleyreynolds5924]

Not sure if anyone answered this for you, but in my experience, only a handful of 64GB Micro SD cards will work. What size was that chinese SD card? 32GB or under. SOME sandisk I have gotten to work. More than likely that is the issue my dude!

[@thomasyang1]

What screen are you using? Interested to buy

[@TakiUdon]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/d5ecapRji8ukrbc&ab_channel=TakiUdon

[@Alice8000]

nice nails bro. very clean.

[@rogerlost5851]

The Grinch game at 11:46 is PS1, not Dreamcast :)

[@daniel-nguyen]

One thing I hate about Orange Pi is they force you to use their software just to flash the OS, you can’t just flash it balena etcher or Raspberry Pi app

[@Crypt0Crossf1re]

I’ve had same issue with SanDisk card too on a project.

[@aa.design.excellence]

Would this be suitable as a content source for an LCD panel with photo and video advertising?

[@camojake1005]

It kind of bothers me that on the Amazon store page it sounds like they're using your KZbin video in their previews. But I don't see a link to this video or even your name

[@1972Aftershock]

How are you installing HL and HL2 or are you running through an emulator or RetroArch??

[@TakiUdon]

There are source ports for both games to Android.

[@middleagebrotips3454]

I find that when you flash linux images of SBC it will always end up failing verification because your windows OS can no longer read the partitions. I just move on and plug it in.

[@MVergaraQ]

Can this SBC handle CRT shaders for N64? I've been trying for so long to find the perfect budget device to play up to N64 with crt shaders.. i just can't stand the look of n64 on modern LCDs

[@GoingtoHecq]

I have no idea why they shrank the pcb, but I can only assume it was to cut costs. Since the ports are so different i guess it doesn't matter if the screw holes are the same as the previous board.

[@BastetFurry]

15$ ~= 12€ Aliexpress: 25€ So much for that.

[@LumbyMcGumby]

I'm assuming a raspberry pi 4 build wouldn't work on this seamlessly right? Dumb question I know but if it can I'd love to swap it over to this. My pi 4 isn't doing so hot haha

[@nelsonnelson31]

What gamepad controller is your using ?

[@Jvgods]

Can i rec speedruns in this "orange pi" with ssd? Like Ubuntu?

[@miravi5547]

Какую ос лучше поставить, чтобы флешка дольше жила? Например для видео по локалке

[@JAMESRKOFL]

You could 3d print a case might be fun to make 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@thitoplaygames]

It's possible to run Steam Link on this SBC better than a Google TV box like Chromecast 4 or Fire TV Stick?

[@voicheci007]

does it do analog (composite) video out, so could I use it on a CRT tv?

[@TakiUdon]

If you buy the $2 IO board, it will do AV to composite, so you could use it on a CRT.

[@voicheci007]

@@TakiUdon nice! Thanks

[@gaminmind]

Is there a way to install android 11 or android 10? I tried but the board wont load. I think you need a specific version for this board. Also I have tried the ReArmIt, Retro Orange Pi and no success either 😢

[@ErickMattoss]

Im trying too, when i get a version i’ll use this coment to tell u how i did

[@2tailedfox711]

Wish it was actually a 'zero' form factor so I could put it in my gpi.

[@Kw1161]

Too bad that you can't link them together to improve performance. Thanks for the video.

[@firecatinfernus3534]

Could this perhaps be used as a head unit in a car?

[@Deezeone]

so whats to handheld are you using in this video?

[@TakiUdon]

It's an HDMI screen and a GameSir controller

[@joogled1839]

@@TakiUdondo you have a link for a screen of that size? or the exact same one preferably

[@paulkerr5477]

What about the front end lemuroid wonder would that work better

[@s3nju279]

Where you get those side controllers?

[@ErickMattoss]

Bro, Whats the name of the screen and bluetooth controller that u r using?

[@TheLuciusLaw]

How did you do the ADB??

[@Im_Tellin_Ya]

They went up in price.

[@JoakimMiller67]

Does not seem to be for sale anywhere in Europe..

[@andresfelipegaspar2980]

hopefully they will putnew orange pi os (oh version) which is harmony to run in a 64bit environment

[@michaeldemers2716]

Oh no. I was going to get the Orange Pi 800 and run Android 12 but it sounds like Android 12 sucks.💔😕 I was going to run Classic Boy Lite, My Boy! ,My Old Boy! and Retro Arch probably. I may still get it anyways and find out what I can do.

[@HuthL20]

can you make tutorial for installing dig?

[@zacmitchell_1984]

How good is steamplay & moonlight on this?

[@yellowkiwi1838]

i think this would. be a great IPTV device

[@manuelfabris7541]

Which hdmi screen is that

[@optimumpcyt]

He never mentioned how much RAM his orangepi has, anyone know?