The Dutch gratitude for the Allied effort at Market Garden is one of the most heartwarming aspects of WW2 history. I say that without irony. The fact that they can say thanks guys, you did your best and we're grateful that you tried, is just amazing.
@ackers363 күн бұрын
“My first marriage” 😂😂😂😂
@ThisWeekintheItalianCampaign21 минут бұрын
The final comment about the extraordinary generosity of the Dutch people is very telling. There is a tradition of placing the photos of those buried on cemeteries in the Netherlands that involves all generations. Amazingly, Dutch volunteers worked to ensure that hundreds of graves in CWGC cemeteries in Sicily had photo portraits placed on them to mark the 80th anniversary of Husky. God Bless the people of the Netherlands!
@PaulDear-jb2bu18 сағат бұрын
Just yesterday my daughter asked me what I wanted for my birthday in November, my answer was Al's book. I really enjoyed this Paul. Many thanks.
@THEOUTCASTSCREATIVE3 күн бұрын
'My first marriage....' with you there Al
@peterbrown12083 күн бұрын
Gotta love All and the way he knows his stuff. I think the only way to judges OMG is by realizing the ground gained led to more advances. I guess the movie title is probably the best conclusion.
@markrunnalls7215Күн бұрын
Absolutely totally brill Paul ,Mr Al Murry deserves an OBE /MBE ..
@ianprice956320 сағат бұрын
I really like Al Murray for all kinds of reasons, but I am truly thankful that we don’t dish out state awards for a pleasing performance on KZbin - or for writing a good book!
@cameronsimpson-ld8nk3 күн бұрын
I loved this episode....gripping
@MordorsMadness3 күн бұрын
Very high praise from Paul, enough of a recommendation for me to pick up a copy. Gutted i missed the live. Great content as always.
@cherylbell12533 күн бұрын
That was brilliant! Thank you Paul & Al! Definitely another book to add to my TBR.
@davidlavigne2073 күн бұрын
When watching the reply of Al and Woody's fantastic discussion, I was impressed with the objective viewpoint that Mr. Murray had about the mistakes made during the operation. Clearly there were mistakes made from the initial planning, but also by the American and British Divisional Commanders. I've always thought that the initial drop zones for ALL of the first lift were much to far from the objectives. General Brereton, and his staff overestimated the effect of the German Flak defenses IMHO. This was likely due to the heavy losses they incurred during Overlord. I think that with the huge advantage of tactical air that was available on the 17th could suppressed the FLAK defenses long enough to allow the drops and glider landings to succeed with an acceptable risk. Everyone likes to point out the drop zones of the 1st Airborne on the 17th, but the 101st and 82nd drop zones weren't all that close as well. This was the ultimate reason for the failure for it allowed the Germans time, which is the most valuable commodity in a battle. Great points made by both guest and host shall have me thinking about MG for some time.
@kevinfrank55272 күн бұрын
Good analysis. I'm going to play devils advocate on a couple things. I would argue that the assessment of the danger of FLAK was fairly accurate including the level of suppression caused by tactical air. Keep in mind that this is the first major daylight operation. You can look to Varsity and the FLAK casualties incurred in that operation. However, I would argue that the error with regard to FLAK is an unwillingness to risk the possible casualties. In Varsity, the operation was able to succeed in spite of the heavy FLAK. Perhaps this falls largely on Brereton as an Air Force guy who sees the transports as vulnerable assets to be protected versus a more airborne attitude ( Gavin, Taylor) who would be more willing to accept certain risks. The other point would be the drop zone locations. I would argue that the drop zones were properly selected based on the current experience and doctrine. Drop zones were (especially in a multi-lift operation) meant to be held for the duration of airborne operations. Also, they needed to be large and as free from impediments (buildings, water, power wires, etc) as possible. As such the drop zones were - by doctrine at least - correctly chosen. However, an argument can still be made for force distribution decisions made by the division commanders based on those drop zones. The most obvious being Gavin and the 82nd decision to focus on securing his drop zone versus seizing the Nijmegen bridges (the main mission objective).
@davidlavigne207Күн бұрын
@@kevinfrank5527 Your reply is very thoughtful and well spoken. I believe that when planning the operation it might have occurred to someone that if the knowledge of the enemy was uncertain, and the reinforcement schedule and resupply required drops and glider landings over three days, than the plan should have been modified or the operation called off. The whole thing was just so much wishful thinking which resulted in costly defeat. I do believe that although no one had foreknowledge of the dispositions of the German Army in the Netherlands, there was enough to beg the question: What if there are more units than we know of, and is there armor involved? I think that the aggressiveness of the Airborne Divisions was such that they put too much pressure on themselves, and so ignored Sun Tsu's words of wisdom to "Know thy self, know thine enemy, and in a thousand battles thou shall know victory." I realize that may sound a bit trite, or overblown, but it does ring true. Thank you again for your considerate reply.
@surfacingcom3 күн бұрын
You mean Al's response wasn't "EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!!" Love your work, Al, standing up or sitting down.
@garyaugust19533 күн бұрын
Al's obsession with MG shines through. As always, his attention to the detail, the people involved, and the terrain they had to endure and undertake is just top-notch. I'll always take your glowing recommendation Woody and order a copy of the book today. Great show, mutual respect, which is always nice to see.
@kevingetz92622 күн бұрын
Absolutely great discussion and timed beautifully as I’m on Arnhem for the 80th. Great see content regarding the Woods and 4th Brigade. Really looking forward to reading Black Tuesday. Tip of the cap to you both.
@JakeCole14532 күн бұрын
Hi Paul, great chat with Al. He's some man for one man when it comes to Arnhem. Really enjoying all the Market Garden stuff you're doing this week. I hope the other Al with surname of Gorithm who works on this platform hasn't been playing up. It deserves a wide audience.
@WW2TV2 күн бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it Jake, I have seen a small spike in views this week, but it's been a crap summer. It's Patreon that keeps me afloat
@davidduffy59443 күн бұрын
Ah lads, this was a brilliant discussion, I never thought of details such as what weapon was better in each environment, Al was excellent
@WW2TV3 күн бұрын
Glad you liked to mate
@jasonmussett2129Күн бұрын
Very interesting, great talk. Other factors Market Garden was launched was too outflank the Seigfried Line from the North due to the Allied advance stalling due to supply issues, also to overrun any remaining V-1 sites. Some believe Arnhem was a vanity project which should never have been attempted, as a historian, I do. Nevertheless I enjoyed this one. Nice one Woody, Mr Murray. Lest we forget.
@andymoody83633 күн бұрын
Absolutely brillaint, Louis'e book present is all wrapped and ready!
@mikemerritt14433 күн бұрын
Fantastic presentation by Al. Gives a whole new propestic of the battle.
@andrewthorpe2539Күн бұрын
I just twigged that Al has a dennison draped over his chair. Great conversation, fascinating to hear the engineers experience.
@KevG19623 күн бұрын
Another brilliant episode, thank you woody and AL
@liamponsonby18626 сағат бұрын
Love the story of the padre in 3 para. A very much similar thing happened in Afghanistan 2011/2012.
@timbrown14813 күн бұрын
Great presentation. Dissecting a single day from this colossal operation.
@stuartburbridge80913 күн бұрын
Just catching up - finished the book a couple of hours ago, an absolute tour de force which explained the battle to me in a completely unique way, a must-read - promote it to the top of your book pile!
@dominicsoave50903 күн бұрын
I’m catching up too
@dominicsoave50903 күн бұрын
Very humbling
@Caratacus13 күн бұрын
IMHO Al is spot on to focus on what the situation looked like to SHAEF when OMG got the green light. The Germans looked beaten, and recent historical evidence backed that up. For several weeks the Allies looked like they can do no wrong. Victory disease affected every Army at some point. German, Russian, Japanese, Allied. All of them, and it's entirely understandable. Also agree that it could easily have worked. 1AB exceeded their brief in terms of staying power but it was lost at Nijmegen. Thanks Woody and Al.
@mongolike5133 күн бұрын
I have just finished reading Chester Wilmot’s ‘Struggle for Europe’. Market Garden was the perfect storm when Model and Student had their HQs within 5 miles of Nijmegen ! Para radios had wrong crystals while one channel that they had working was being overpowered by a radio station broadcasting at another part of the front, so they could not contact RAF or their artillery . Add to that the late starts to the attack and the distance from the target they were dropped at. I have read Al’s book “Command” and it was very good with each chapter revealing information about particular characters and also a relatively obscure aspect of WW2 itself. Do yourself a favour.
@PaulDear-jb2bu18 сағат бұрын
@@mongolike513 I'm reading that book atm.
@maikelvane51853 күн бұрын
Nice conversation. Arnhem week is a blast. Learninng a lot new things. Thanks guys. Will put the book to my wishlist.
@nickdanger38023 күн бұрын
Being in an important position did not stop Montgomery from rubbishing Eisenhower when Eisenhower was president.
@WW2TV3 күн бұрын
And yet they remained friends
@TonyLS9A3 күн бұрын
Another truly amazing, dynamic and informative discussion. Al is a ball of energy, packed with knowledge. Bravo, Paul. And yep, another book for my sagging shelves.
@martinpower24393 күн бұрын
Great episode and of course very timely
@StevenParker-zs8jx2 күн бұрын
Excellent episode! Thanks Al and Woody!
@jamesdalyhistory3 күн бұрын
Bang on that Al's book is up there with Middlebrook and Kershaw. What I love is that it's a completely new interpretation of something that we thought that we knew all about.
@WW2TV3 күн бұрын
I'm glad we agree
@jsfbr3 күн бұрын
Stored in my Audible's wish list for buying with my next credit!
@jbjones19573 күн бұрын
Great sales pitch, I just bought the book
@NOTBOBROBERTS2 сағат бұрын
Hadn't heard of this book and thanks to you guys, I'm now $49 Canadian dollars poorer when I should be focusing on my upcoming tour of Verdun and The Somme. I've visited Arnhem/Oosterbeek 3 times and my next visit I plan to do this walk.
@WW2TVСағат бұрын
It's a cracker of a book
@marchuvfulz3 күн бұрын
Thank you, excellent discussion.
@scorcher673 күн бұрын
Going to have to buy the book now . A real element of a forlorn hope with the efforts to relieve Frost at the bridge . Tragic loss of good men but on reflection I agree with Al it was probably worth a go.
@Digmen13 күн бұрын
I always thought that they should have gone one bridge at a time. Have the paras ready to go for the next bridge. And wait until the road is open and running
@nickdanger38023 күн бұрын
"By the time the German opposition had solidified on D+1, with mortars, light flak and armoured vehicles, there was really no chance of relieving Frost at the bridge, even with communications at their best." page 51 Canadian Military History Volume 16 Issue 1 Article 4 2007 Airborne Communications in Operation Market Garden David Bennett
@HGmusiclist4 сағат бұрын
Nice show, Al is great and really enthusiastic. The Dutch names, yes, we can practise some in October Paul 🤪
@guyhancox4246Күн бұрын
Bloody hell, ww2tv had disappeared from my feed completely. I am going to have to remind myself to keep coming back.... Keep up the good work Woody.
@WW2TVКүн бұрын
Thank you Guy
@dmeadeirl3 күн бұрын
Top notch conversation. Ordering Al's book right now!
@WW2TV3 күн бұрын
It's brilliant
@PalleRasmussen2 күн бұрын
Brilliant, sorry I had to leave for my GoMore lift. After I left, Louise Provan asked; "Im guessing oil etc, must have started to be a major concern to Germany by then. When they said "space" did they mean resources too?" That was the meaning of space from the start, basically WW2 was a fight for the same thing Putolini wants today- Ukraine (Timothy Snyder makes that point) with its resources of all kinds. And for oil, the most important startegic resource in WW2. Before he went off the rails, TIK linked to a good lecture about the struggle for oil in WW2 by some unknown Ph.D. which is well worth a watch. That fellow posits that the powers that became superpowers were the ones with the most oil.
@timaitchison73483 күн бұрын
Just one interesting conversation. Let's have more please.
@jjflash303 күн бұрын
Great discussion! Thanks. 👍
@bruceday67993 күн бұрын
2 helluva presentations today sir.
@tomtruax6775Күн бұрын
Another interesting and enlightening presentation.
@iancarr86823 күн бұрын
Re: Hackett - brilliance and common sense are not good bedmates sometimes.
@buonafortuna89283 күн бұрын
Really great stuff Paul. Was as new and insightful as yesterday's - and I thought I knew OMG. I've had the book for 3 days but I'm determined to save it for my trip to England tomorrow.
@philipmoores52023 күн бұрын
Thank you I will look forward to it.
@terrywoodham84193 күн бұрын
Brilliant just so interesting 👍
@KeithHathaway-ju9cy2 күн бұрын
Paul, that was amazing great job
@Pseudonym-aka-alias3 күн бұрын
Just took delivery of Black Tuesday….can’t wait to get into it……not literally☝️
@steveb53413 күн бұрын
Great vid Woody looking forward to getting Al’s book 👏🏻🪖
@johnlucas84793 күн бұрын
excellent presentation, keep up the good work
@jumpmastermp2117 сағат бұрын
Great show
@Digmen13 күн бұрын
Al, you wont be able to put a lid on it, as there are 6 other days to do!
@THEOUTCASTSCREATIVE3 күн бұрын
Book ordered!!!
@jasonmussett2129Күн бұрын
I think one reason why the Germans reacted so quickly was due to the availability of not only the Waffen SS guys but also they could draught in troops from all over Holland, also German supply lines were much shorter then the Allies. Also, the notion that all the Germans had were old men and kids seemed to blind Allied thinking. Another example of hubris.
@joeblow96573 күн бұрын
I didn't know a pub land lord could know so much about the Battle of Arnhem.
@WW2TV3 күн бұрын
He is a staggeringly good military historian too
@gavinsimnett76063 күн бұрын
Really enjoyed this. You mentioned a chaplain who picked up a pistol can you tell me how I can find out more about him please? I belong to a reenactment group Men of Arnhem and I am a chaplain in that.
@WW2TV3 күн бұрын
The full story is in Black Tuesday, which is a MUST HAVE
@gavinsimnett76063 күн бұрын
Thanks
@russellchapman41672 күн бұрын
Brlliant stuff guys
@WW2TV2 күн бұрын
Thanks Derm
@KavanOBrienСағат бұрын
My uncle was in that battle at Arnhem , staff sergeant paras , he told me why it went wrong , so if you don’t mention the radio in your assessment then you haven’t got the whole story.
@WW2TVСағат бұрын
Why do you think radios are not mentioned in the book, because they absolutely are?
@KavanOBrienСағат бұрын
@@WW2TV sorry I was referring to the video, I haven’t read the book ,I remember my uncle telling me about the battle and the radio being one of the main issues, he was shot and taken prisoner of war when many were dropped over the German lines , obviously sat nav wasn’t available then ,
@WW2TV57 минут бұрын
In an hour-long chat we cannot get to all the aspects of the 460 page book
@KavanOBrien53 минут бұрын
@@WW2TV Fair comment , still have his medal from that battle, take care.
@WW2TV49 минут бұрын
You too - thanks. Which Battalion was your Uncle with?
@MegaRebel100Күн бұрын
minuut 45 gents , i felt the wrong , Monty ( de guingand ) monty was making a paiting forget gents .. The plan too mutch fot the army , goals too fat a way , never looked at the ground conditones , streetfighting and Monty make the mistake too ignore are repports ove rthe germans , hy ignored them the result is you both talking about and at last Wesel has a railroad too Nijmgen so germans could fast travel from there too the front .. I all I a dutchman say less bridge and too move up till nijmgen and stop there ( with the 3 korps ) taht plan has worked , looking back ...
@stevenpeiper55382 күн бұрын
This guy is no more a historian than I am an astronaut
@WW2TV2 күн бұрын
Absolutely incorrect. A) he literally graduated from Oxford University in modern history and B) His book on Arnhem is outstanding. Did you even listen to this video, his knowledge on the battle is up there with the best
@stevenpeiper55382 күн бұрын
@@WW2TV keep taking the medication
@WW2TV2 күн бұрын
What is incorrect with what I said? and as I asked, have you read the book and did you watch the video?
@stevenpeiper55382 күн бұрын
The point I’m making is that serious historians don’t hawk their “product” around just about every podcast, you tube channel and tv show you can think of. Also , the title of his own podcast is crassly disrespectful to victims of Gestapo interrogation in my view.
@WW2TV2 күн бұрын
Historians absolutely have to appear on podcasts etc. Ben MacIntyre, James Dimbleby etc they all have to do the rounds, it's part of the process now. As for the title of the podcast, that's an opinion others hold, and I see why some don't like it, but that doesn't make Al "not" a historian, which was your first point
@mikeryan74683 күн бұрын
I cannot stand al Murray. He takes the piss out of working class people. What an insult.
@WW2TV3 күн бұрын
So, why watch and make a comment then?
@mikeryan74682 күн бұрын
@WW2TV so if someone dislikes content or is personally offended by someone, don't comment. Is that the kind of channel you want? Al Murray is offensive to a lot of people. Keep one's comments to yourself. I understand now. 'He's great everyone'
@WW2TV2 күн бұрын
He doesn't take the piss out of working class people, the Landlord is an exaggerated character like Alf Garnett. But that aside, he was on the channel as a military historian not as a comedian
@mikeryan74682 күн бұрын
Ok fair enough. I appreciate the reply.
@WW2TV2 күн бұрын
No worries, and whatever you think of his comedy, I've met a fair few celebs and although some are arseholes, Al is a really lovely bloke. He's very hardworking and does a huge amount to push WWII history
@BrianMarcus-nz7cs2 күн бұрын
Fresh n honest , no comment bud i wernt there , gott mitt uns , 👍🧭🤺