Around the Mage Table - Episode 24 - Mythic+ is Too Hard!

The gang have been absent for a while, to collect massive amounts of data on the current state of Mythic Plus in Season 1 of the War Within!
CHAPTERS COMING SOON (Sorry, busy day!)

[@mythicdungeonleague]

Vote on your S1 Dungeon Tier List and let us know how it's going for you! live.tiermaker.com/35847932

[@AmandaPelland]

I play resto shaman in m+ and the affix Devour doesn't occur when you're not in combat, also not all players in the group receive the affix at one time, sometimes, but not always. Shaman in general is by far the best class to bring during this week because of cleansing poison totem which clears the Devour affix in less than a second. Or the healer is 99% of cases will need to heal the group in full asap and go oom to remove the affix before it expires. Mass dispel works great but punishing downtime.

[@Schteef242]

Glad y'all are back! Tekniq is the WORST kind of software product owner... "You're just doing this easy thing, can't be that hard get it done" hit some scar tissue. I'm 100% behind Scrapclaws theory... The FOTM specs are a real crap shoot since they tend to get score inflation easier, definitely more true for Tank/Healers but any high skill floor spec is an absolute trap when its meta. Disc priest is my go to example, when disc is meta I ban them unless I know the player because FOTM discs will absolutely wreck your dungeon experience.

[@andymakras2241]

Good to cya guys back, I’m really enjoying your guys takes ❤

[@mythicdungeonleague]

Thank you, you're too kind!

[@Howieedewit]

Gonna give it a listen tomorrow morning. Glad to see an upload

[@mythicdungeonleague]

WE'RE BACK, BABY!

[@mrragergaming3021]

Love the panel, you guys rock!

[@mythicdungeonleague]

Thank you!

[@whit192]

squad been put through the ringer gawd damn

[@mythicdungeonleague]

It's only by the grace of C'thun that we've made it through all of it.

[@ericmats4662]

I usually take two rets when i pug if i can. They are so easy to play (i main ret) so basicly who ever you invite do decent to really good damage. They dont die as often as other ppl do. And we can share gear. Its awesome 😊

[@thisnothendismyalt]

Im surprised youre all so low on the affixes! i've been really enjoying them, the mass stun one is interesting, what's the groups least valuable aoe stop, the balls whilst buggy are quite melee friendly and produce an interesting dance of when to pick them up from far away vs close depending on mechanics, the add is nice to execute on and things like the new queen trinket make for interesting decisions with gear to deal with affixes. The dispel could be problematic but honestly enough classes can deal with it, ive not had a single run that struggled to deal with it beyond day one, although as a ret sometimesIi have double dispelled. Perhaps an on use dispel trinket would be interesting here. Overall I'd give a solid A, plus theyre also teaching people the game, unskilled players are being told , use your aoe stop, cleanse debuffs, pay attention to more than just the mobs your hitting and change focus to a high priority target. Whilst we more advanced players maybe don't need the reminder I think its very helpful for those that are learning. -2650 Ret

[@Valvad0ss]

Been waiting for this!! Thx yall

[@mythicdungeonleague]

We're thrilled to be back!

[@Schizim]

I play Shaman. “Why do shamans get……?” I have 532 buttons they are have to memorize. I SHOULD be able to handle everything. And being able to handle everything also means, you have to handle everything. It’s not all roses like everyone thinks. I’m trying to do dmg or heal or dodge mechanics just like everyone else except then I get most the affix problems by myself.

[@logank5607]

wooooo been waiting for this awhile and saw this at 1130 pm ill listen tomorrow but im excited edit: but i will make comments later muhaha

[@mythicdungeonleague]

Yeah, sorry. For some reason, my computer went to sleep while uploading and I didn't get back home until 8pm.

[@logank5607]

​@@mythicdungeonleagueoh np. I just wanted to post my excitement. I am living my m+ life through you guys. I gave up on healing already for lots of reasons, and went back to ff14 for now. Thanks for making these! I feel like you guys are figuring out your talking rhythm more. That or im getting used to listening to you guys

[@runiih]

The atonevault trinket is an awesome tank trinket but everyone just want some DEEPS xD

[@nzoldak]

You have not played with any rogues then brother Chanee, OUTLAW UKEK IKEK WEKEK

[@Zewinter]

Tekniq is spitting fire I'm also having a great time! :)

[@mythicdungeonleague]

I'm genuinely trying to think back to what Tek said that was fire!?

[@Zewinter]

I might be part of the crazies that enjoy current M+ and current affixes xd 1:22:55 Oh and he just went off with that rant about coding after that, that's a clip xd

[@patrick2657]

The 1st new affix was good. The 2nd and 3rd new affixes have the quaking problem they are normally fine but interact incredibly poorly with a number off boss/dungeon mechanics and in the current season with a 15 second death timer a bad spawn time can just wipe you brick your key. The 4th is insane people hated afflicted and it was 2 debuffs now there are 5 frankly I just wouldn't run a key without a shaman this week.

[@mythicdungeonleague]

The healing absorb is actually insane... Like, why did they add that, instead of just putting a dispel that can be ignored, it just means something might get a slight heal if the healer can't bothered to get all of them.

[@ScarletHawk]

@@mythicdungeonleague The affix this week is not an absorb. It doesn't eat your healing. It just requires you to heal 50%(?) of each person's hp (or dispell).

[@zapzya]

I just hate how the 15 second death timer affects your weekly vault keys. In dragonflight, it was chill filling your vault, but now its a pain where you have to lock in for 30 minutes. If they swapped the 7 and 10 affixes, personally I would prefer it. Even though you need 10s for myth in vault, it would at least make it easier to push keys higher, and allow you to practice routes for the fort-tyran combo earlier.

[@ntoxik1]

The 15 sec death penalty is bad and all it promotes is a dead key when there is one wipe and then people leave. At high levels, players generally know the mechanics and know what to kick, etc. so missing one kick shouldn't ruin the key. This is a bad M+ affix.

[@mythicdungeonleague]

Bad for PUGs, but GOOD FOR COMPETITIVE GAME?!?

[@scuttlebut]

Give the 15 second timer to +12 dungeons.. save that affix for the sweaty 3%

[@lukemonnin7965]

m+ isnt too hard people are mad they arnt doing 9s week 4 when that would of been an 18 week 4, most of the player base sucks tbh and the key levels being shifted downward but being harder makes them have the mentality " oh its a 5 i should be doing higher keys" when in reality its a +10 for them. most of the player base sucks and whines its really not that hard

[@mythicdungeonleague]

While I agree with your overall statement, I think it's more about the RELATIVE feeling of difficulty. But yeah, most of us still have another 20 ilvls to get with the new Myth track

[@TristanDickey]

how does one join your community to do keys?

[@mythicdungeonleague]

MythicDungeonLeague.com -- look for the discord link in the top right

[@TristanDickey]

@@mythicdungeonleague didn’t see anything in top right

[@tine307]

Pls add chapters for topics

[@mythicdungeonleague]

Yes, sorry- got slammed with IRL work yesterday, but they'll be up soon.

[@KirtHooper]

You can full wipe any key on 10 or 11 and still time if the group is good. Not everyone SHOULD get everything and that's the way it should be. (2700 pug healer).

[@brandonr.2807]

Les gooooo!

[@brandonr.2807]

My War Within experience has been mostly via delves. We lost power for about a week, so I missed almost all of the "delve week" event and was bummed out by that, but my Brann is nearly 58, and all my characters are 610-614. best pull on ?? Zek was 41%. Delves are beginning to get a tad boring, just because it seems like the same stories keep popping up. Still avoiding M+. Great pod as always!

[@mythicdungeonleague]

Why are you avoiding M+? Even at the 2-6 level range?

[@brandonr.2807]

@mythicdungeonleague I tried a few +2s when they first released, they were a nightmare. It was my first time trying M+ (took a lengthy break after MoP) and it was beyond stressful. We never came close to timing any of the 4 we tried, and it kinda showed me that M+ is not just a step up from mythic 0s which I had enjoyed running the week before. Perhaps it's just not a game mode designed for me, and I have lost a step over the years, but delves have filled that role of content I can grind and feel like I am making progress.

[@sdfds1973]

gear scaling its fucked get 8-9-10 to have gilded crest. ore change the scalin just so big power leap from 2 to 3 to 4 ect. ppl will do 20 end of the season. and who its the bigest show off. just less pressure.

[@unhived]

I think this was a very interesting discussion but i do also believe that you guys are slightly out of touch when it comes to pug life. I am not as lucky to have people to do keys with. Playing with pugs is like a Russian roulette and climbing keys in current state of difficulty is rage-inducing.

[@mythicdungeonleague]

We’ve all pugged our IO- what part of it are we out of touch with?

[@unhived]

@@mythicdungeonleague then i misunderstood something. Apologies.

[@mythicdungeonleague]

Hey no worries! This whole scene is brutal

[@kamuimac]

dont message people begging to get into keys - most find it 1st very annying 2 i makes you look desperate and nobody wants that. if you wanna push in pugs reroll meta. end of story - if oyu play offmeta make guild push group

[@mythicdungeonleague]

lol I think she does it because she thinks she'll lure them with 'the vibes'. It does work for her sometimes

[@CaloCreek]

It works! Not begging but sometimes just a little note to show you’re good vibes. It works on me also when I’m filling out groups. I want to play with people, not IO farming robots.

[@VDHmain]

Yeah my team puts all these people on ignore.

[@mariovergara7361]

Several things happen, first this only reveals how bad the players are, in general since players in control of the system have put it in players heads that the most important thing in the world is the Meta, making the most possible DPS regardless of the mechanics of the dungeons. Second: those who are doing it, are those who sell content and the streamers (and it is a matter of seeing how bad or bad they are who pay to obtain crest for upgrade and craft max items) the content is not difficult. Third: 2% used the IO system to maintain the population that makes the high content and CREATE A GAP over the other players, which with any change is an advantage that is maintained until the end of the expansion, and this is the elite revealing itself to blizzard for the content released alone that is a success. Now they put crest on 8's and mark my words the only thing is going to happen is the barrier going down from 9's to 8's for large part of players. On the contrary, this should be kept as it is and force bad players to learn how to use their classes and learn the dungeons. Now, since the 2% really work together with Blizzard for all the businesses associated with this game and the token......really those who always lose are the normal players even when they are good players...that's why they stop play it....and we must add that the guilds are 98% shit.............

[@ryangardner7709]

Scrap, please stop talking over people , thank you. And you don’t need to say “ yeah “ after everything other people say . Your annoying

[@Valvad0ss]

Lmaoooo you are a clown

[@MDL_Tekniq]

I appreciate Scrap's unique and outgoing personality as one of the many on our show, personally. We are all very comfortable with one another after all this time.

[@mythicdungeonleague]

Uh @MDL_Tekniq -- I'm pretty sure you've told me that keys have been bricked because Scrap won't shut the fuck up...

[@Brinks-Stonevault]

M+ Just got huge nerfs and changes, video is no longer relevant..

[@mythicdungeonleague]

lol I don't think the nerfs are HUGE. We'll see how it all unfolds after reset next week and whether they're pushing 16s and 17s.