Arraignment: Parents of Oxford shooting suspect plead not guilty to involuntary manslaughter cha...

The parents of the suspected Oxford High School shooting have each pleaded not guilty to four involuntary manslaughter charges brought against them for their alleged role in the mass shooting.

[@e.nichols5380]

As a gun owner it is solely your responsibility to keep your weapons secure and inaccessible to anyone else especially children, period. Edit: I would just like to add, I am a gun owner and NRA member who is 100% for sensible legislation regarding firearm ownership, safety and storage requirements that could prevent tragedies such as this one; without restricting law abiding citizens right to keep and bear arms.

[@Lianne459]

Exactly right

[@TL-wy1nk]

I agree. The mother of Adam Lanza, from the Sandy Hook tragedy, did not secure her weapon, even though she knew he was a serious threat.

[@cristianflores1588]

Or just don’t buy the weapon. Yes I know there’s other ways for weapons it can be used like knifes but otherwise is just horrible parenting

[@mistercohaagen]

It was the kid's gun. xmas present. Your culture, gun boy.

[@karenlittlewood7148]

Perfectly said

[@alycks6056]

The son killed 4 kids, and the parents gave him the weapon and let him do whatever he wanted. It’s not a hard case. Lock those low lives away plz

[@businesscat4435]

Apparently the father has another son. He was previously married and that son left their house a few years ago. The mother of that son said Jennifer Crumbly is a horrible woman and was abusive to her son. She's so grateful her son is out of that house during all of this. She said the real problem in the home was Jennifer who was mean and abusive and was used to doing anything she wanted without consequences.

[@deborahsevigny4763]

FYI I had a son with mental illness and when I heard that the boys message for help, the thoughts won't stop, I recognized those words. I bought my son things to help him divert his thoughts along with therapy and meds. And even though he had no thought of killing someone I would never have bought him a gun.

[@gcronnelly]

That because you have a soul! When someone is in pain you try to help them. Unfortunately we as a society try to ignore mental illness. If the school told the parents that the kid had cancer or needed glasses would they have ignored that. It shouldn’t be different no one blames a child parents when a kid has leukemia. There is a ribbon for everything but mental illness

[@Itsalwaysbeenaboutme1844]

@@gcronnelly FYI: There's actually is a Ribbon for Mental Illness. It's Green. Mental Health and awareness month takes place in May and October.

[@gcronnelly]

@@Itsalwaysbeenaboutme1844 is there really? I truly want to believe you’re right. I’d love to wrong about this issue!

[@deborahsevigny4763]

@@gcronnelly thank you. So many SMI are in so much pain. I can't help them but I stop now and then when I see a homel person and say hi or smile and if a have a couple bu KS to spare I'll either by them a meal or give them cash. That only helps for a day or an hour. The worst is the Mental Health docs and therapists. And HPPA.. Bad rules and laws make it hard for anyone to help a loved one. I hope your day is good. Take care💚

[@artemiotorres92]

@@gcronnelly because mental illnesses is just justifying there actions, i bet if you lost a family member due to this idiots you wouldn't be saying that when are people going to accept that people are evil and stop justifying murder believe me God doesn't buy mental illnesses and he is a right Ouse judge God knows the heart better then we know ours so good luck explaining and justifying murder to God.

[@RoRoDaDonn]

For her to laugh and tell her son she wasn't mad, he just needs to learn how not to get caught. She is a sad example of what a mother should be.

[@dutchman7623]

At least she took him to target shooting the day before, to make sure he wouldn't miss.

[@greensoda9548]

@@dutchman7623 wait, are you saying the mom made her son go to school and shoot those people ?

[@dutchman7623]

@@greensoda9548 Dad bought the boy a semi automatic weapon by the end of november, a day later mom went target practicing with the boy, two days later he killed and wounded at his school. All within a week, or better five days. And I am counting the weekend days. I am not an investigator, nor judge, but the very short time between buying the gun, practicing, and the massacre, should make anyone think. The police in the US are not very smart, but figured this out as well. Draw your own conclusion.

[@greensoda9548]

@@dutchman7623 my question was a yes or no question and my knowledge is not in question. , I was asking YOU .. is this a difficult question for you ?

[@dutchman7623]

@@greensoda9548 Your thinking is yours.

[@mslashay35]

You can write your son, possibly see and talk to him but those 4 sets of parents are burying their children and never even got to say goodbye BECAUSE OF YOUR ACTIONS & INACTION?! YOUR TEARS MEAN NOTHING! 🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️REST IN PEACE to the 4 victims. May God comfort your families. 🙏🏾

[@TK-ib7rm]

Amen!!!

[@mayomonkey420]

Agreed, and arrest Darrell Brooks' parents as well

[@robins468]

This is so sad

[@clindaangel1668]

Amen

[@HughMadBro]

@@mayomonkey420 YASSS 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@conradwilliams8302]

Defense attorney: Our clients were going to turn themselves in. Anyone with common sense: No they weren't...

[@fifteenbyfive]

@@junesanders5017 Hiding doesn't prove the absence of planning to turn themselves in. People can hide before turning themselves in. It's probably a lot more common than we know.

[@madtyper1064]

@@fifteenbyfive they weren’t just hiding, they were ignoring calls from their own lawyers, which prompted the BOLO. They also withdrew money from their bank. Stop pandering to the pure negligence and oversight these parents committed. You’re just like them.

[@fifteenbyfive]

@@madtyper1064 Ignoring calls according to who? Hearsay by the prosecutor? Their lawyers were in contact with them, that was made clear in the video. They're innocent until proven guilty no matter your opinion or mine.

[@madtyper1064]

@@fifteenbyfive the evidence by the prosecutors was also made EXPLICITLY clear in the video, which weights more heavily on a GUILTY verdict, but hey, we all have speculations, but it’s clear which side you’re on.

[@fifteenbyfive]

@@madtyper1064 I'm on the side of the rule of law. You're ALL CAPS against the rule of law. The whole herd online is already lusting for the punishment of the guilty; it's quite sadistic.

[@Bia08121975]

Now she cries, before she laughed and said to her murderous son “don’t get caught”. Bad parenting is a crime against society and their children. Actions have consequences: my mother always said.

[@DemonDinoLandYT]

It was when he was googling ammunition in class, then she said that. Still, you're right about this nightmare.

[@picklesss82]

she’s only crying because she’s realizing the charges she’s facing and how long she could be in jail

[@togapeneueta9466]

You're absolutely right. I made this comment before .mom's and dad's let's go back to the day's where MOM and dad said no no no. Come on gang .is there anyone who agree ?

[@theoutsiderspost4982]

You know all the facts because what? You watched the mainstream media?

[@annadavis6361]

Indeed! 🙏🏽

[@AnneMarieVoegeli]

If parents were held accountable for their minor children a lot more, I believe we would see better behaved children. That helps society all around.

[@Maria-fz1mu]

Yes this will be a wake up call for parents outthere.

[@countrystyleco2010]

Yes but unfortunately when you cant properly discipline your child due to laws it is tough, ive heard to many kids over the yrs threaten there own parents with calling children services just because they took the xbox away, to much fear instilled in being a parent now a days, i was spanked and i never would think to do this garbage action this kid did.

[@evanpb]

@@countrystyleco2010 actually children have less rights than animals in this country. You can legally get in more trouble for hitting your dog than you can get in for hitting your child.

[@iapetus7]

@@countrystyleco2010 if you have to constantly beat your kid to have effective behavior Then you either have a really bad kid..or your parenting isn't up to snuff. Spankings are cool until a certain age..you gotta work them while they're young. Be proactive. Be a PARENT.. not ALL kids are bad..not even most..

[@flowerchild3686]

More people will hopefully think twice about having children!

[@MLeibs]

R.I.P. 🕊 Justin Shilling R.I.P. 🕊 Tate Myre R.I.P. 🕊 Hana St. Juliana R.I.P. 🕊 Madisyn Baldwin Godspeed to the injured; may your physical wounds heal fully and with speed. Godspeed to the parents and families of these beloved children. A worse nightmare is hard to imagine. 😔

[@ms.lemonpie2168]

The saddest part of this is your child's Christmas gift ruined the lives and Christmas of so many. My heart and prayers are with all effected by this.

[@kimstuart5506]

Everyone failed to help him with his mental health issues!

[@lizf1353]

@AJ Martin school shooters often don't make any effort to shoot only their tormenting peers... I would not be surprised in the least if none of the 4 or 3 out of 4 didn't have any idea who the kid was other then a name and face... yes bullied children deserve sympathy and protection but there's schools all over the world and bullied children everywhere yet school shooters are a uniquely American issue 😕

[@tinalouise4327]

The Christmas gift was not responsible. The sad part is once the parents saw the disturbing drawing all guns should have been taken away and locked.

[@RCmack]

The NRA needs to stay far, far away from this. The NRA will be more respected if they have no comment on this awful mess.

[@theglizz5797]

A gun is not a Christmas gift it is a death gift

[@goofygirl1311]

I watched those parents during their son's arraignment and they really didn't seem all that torn up by it, not at all. But at their own arraignment, my goodness what a show. The father was even acting outraged that he was being held accountable. The mom was in full waterworks mode over herself being in jail. I did not hear any explanation for them hiding in a vacant building in downtown Detroit with $4000 in cash other than "logistics". I do think they were getting ready to flee.

[@muirgirl]

anti government fucktards incite violence then cry over being held accountable grotesque

[@steveoranges1960]

I love you people who can comprehend an entire human being from watching brief video clips of them. You are oh-so-wise, so insightful. A beacon in the night

[@rr7firefly]

@@steveoranges1960 You seem to be part of a small minority who serve as apologists for the parents of the boy. Your sarcasm is reflective of this. Plenty of details have come to light about their behavior that lead most people to form a negative opinion of the Crumbleys. There is also information about the father having another child that he basically abandoned. Is that all manufactured news?

[@steveoranges1960]

@@rr7firefly I'm not an "apologist" i'm just tired of people acting like they're judge jury and execution. They're also easy targets. No one needs a bunch of self righteous indignation over THIS case. What about the pediatrician who's trying to get her seven year old son mutilated with "sexual reassignment surgery" because she always wanted a daughter. These cases of outrage go unchecked because they could cause one to be fired or otherwise be made a social pariah for speaking out about

[@greensoda9548]

@@rr7firefly I see no sarcasm in his comment at all , try rereading it and take it seriously. Are you saying he is wrong that these people are not a beacon of light or a source of knowledge?

[@rl9745]

To Shannon 'Whaterver' regarding her clients... "they were scared, terrified". Were you talking about the kids hiding under their desks or the ones bleeding out on the floor? "This is the saddest, most tragic, worst case imaginable." Unless you are one of the families with a child in a coffin. Really? Really, Shannon? Might want to practice your rhetoric in the bathroom mirror before you come to court. Then you might be able to see what a fool you're making of yourself. The dead and injured victims of your client's parental irresponsibility are the "true" victims here not your clients.

[@lostinnevermore5354]

Truer words never spoke.

[@92cgray]

Yes but the parents weren’t the ones shooting and past school shootings no other parents have been charged. I believe as a human these ppl were scared I would be I’ve never been arrested or had my son kill multiple ppl. Shock is an understatement.

[@margaret4196]

@@92cgray they bought him the gun as a present. Also, if they start holding irresponsible parents accountable, maybe more kids won’t die trying to get an education.

[@rl9745]

@@92cgrayI'm glad they are scared. If they weren't scared, then a psych eval would be appropriate. They didn't buy him a hunting rifle for Christmas, they bought him a semiautomatic hand gun. The only prey that you hunt with a handgun are human. If they wanted to "plink" cans, an airgun is just as effective. Its time to hold the parents/guardians of these underage criminals responsible. And mommy wants him to learn "not to get caught". Can you spell 'intent'. Save your concerns for the humans that contribute good to the world. This particular gene pool is a waste of human flesh.

[@margaret4196]

You just put into words exactly what I’m thinking RL!

[@aaron042671]

Brian laundry’s parents just took a deep breath, likely thinking they’re not the most hated parents in America. Close second today

[@sooooooooooooooo]

I can hate them pretty equally. They allllll lack the same thing. Accountability. I would never “betray” my family but I would certainly want them held accountable for unrelatable acts of violence. I would visit them in prison and pray for the healing of their soul. Such evil people in the earth 🙏🏻

[@randibgood]

They are evil in their own right. But these two bought and gave their kid the supplies. Then, basically joked about his mental state and refused to seek help for their sons mental state. These two are much more responsible for the crime itself. Laundry's parents were wrong for not nailing their sons foot to the floor and giving him 3 days head start before informing the police he was not home. They should have been questioning, in a huge way, why he was home with her van and she was not with him. That is a huge red flag that something happened to her and it was by his hand. They aided after the fact. These two were almost co-conspirators.

[@sooooooooooooooo]

@@randibgood i think Brian’s parents were also co conspirators who didn’t care about Gabbi in the first place. For all of Brian’s corny death drawings they should have known he was a danger as well. But for some reason americas parents coddle their children with penises. It’s not a hate competition. They’re all going to the same place. Hell.

[@johnyates6792]

I hope brain Laundry parents get changed with Gabbys Murder now

[@randibgood]

@@sooooooooooooooo I don't think co-conspirators, but definitely accessories after the fact.

[@knifetrain3118]

Some people shouldn’t have kids or guns. Both are a huge responsibility!

[@catbishop27]

Amen!!!

[@arsheekabrinson5086]

@@catbishop27 b Bc c

[@lizf1353]

Yet many people think it's a good idea to force women who know they are not fit to be parents to carry out a pregnancy and give birth to a child they are not prepared to care for properly. They use a flimsy argument of adoption as a option yet what they don't like to tell people is that many states discourage adoption even force woman to spend several days with the infant before they are able to sign over rights. Giving a child up for adoption isn't a lack of love for the child, it's the ultimate love, to know that you can't give them the life you want for them and give them up so they have a better life is a selfless act. To force them to spend time with a baby is cruel and manipulation. Try to remember this as we see that most children in the justice system are the products of poor home life. Try to think of the increasing burden on our society as more children are forced to exist in a environment not prepared to care for them properly... we often say that some people should not have children but when a woman tells us that she shouldn't have a child we say we know better...

[@mirandaceballos311]

Praise the Lord

[@LoveFlatfootin1]

These two brought one monster into the world. They should be prevented from creating any more of them.

[@QueenOfTheNorth65]

“These parents are not a flight risk.” They were caught hiding in the basement of a warehouse, after fleeing. Where does her logic come from?

[@greensoda9548]

Lol 😆

[@pennyjefferson7658]

What you said is crazy lock them up

[@edonhartford3164]

You can’t be serious 🧐.

[@eatandrateitkstrading9065]

Not a flight risk? You should seek help

[@bilbodabbins8273]

Rest in peace to the four students who died in a terrifying end.

[@pennyjefferson7658]

We with the parents that lost there kids and have mercy on this family

[@togapeneueta9466]

These children diddnt deserve to die . I tell you what the crumblys are irresponsible. And they're also monster's. They take no responsibility for their actions or their kid.

[@jonahlogan7234]

Nobody rests in peace according to the Bible. Furthermore, they were edomites that were born for what happened to them.

[@skyriverblue1443]

Excellent decisions made by judge. Bail set at 500K for each parent. Very obvious that parents were trying to evade arrest. Hiding in some basement. When all day it was obvious that LE was looking for them. It took LE finding them and arresting them - to even make these court appearances this morning. Otherwise - they would still be in that basement !! I have zero sympathy for their attorneys. It seems that they were pleading with the court that they did not know what was going on. Total BS. My thinking is that these attorneys knew the parents were scared and hiding. However it still took a huge amount of resources to find them last night. The parents were hiding out and looking for the next best move. The lawyers were helping them.

[@randibgood]

I'm over 1,000 miles away, and I knew yesterday afternoon the charges had been filed and they were being looked for. The police already knew they weren't going to talk since the day this happened. So there wouldn't even be the obstacle of being questioned and having to refuse. They were trying to stay on the dl until time for court and just shown up with their attorneys. They thought if they did that, they wouldn't have to spend any time in jail. Like-if they show up for arraignment, they must not be fugitives, so they shouldn't have to post bail and could just go back home afterwards. Not.

[@HardRockMaster7577]

I wonder if the County will hold them under a suicide watch.

[@papapsych2746]

Their bail would be set at 500k regardless of if they didn't get there on time. The strategy is to have them sit in jail until trial, then have them be broke and homeless by the time they get found not guilty.

[@FlowerGirl.MN50]

@@papapsych2746 sounds good to me.

[@FlowerGirl.MN50]

@@HardRockMaster7577 Parents should have had the boy on suicide watch.

[@cindy_lou_loves_to_stitch]

Mother cries because she is scared for herself!!! The mothers and community cry for the children who were killed and affected by this horrible tragedy!!!

[@OgramRavot21]

True but we still need to pray for them and the shooter as well as the victims. Especially the victims. As I see it every child at that school were victims. I'm so worried about my grandchildren with how bad it's going to be when they all get to school age.

[@OgramRavot21]

This is a nightmare for all the families who lost their child. Innocent lives lost and right before the holidays 😔 😢 💧 pray for all of them 🙏

[@hidingposer3422]

She is FINALLY aware of her poor choices as a "mother".

[@The495marauder]

Especially mother’s of color

[@hidingposer3422]

@@The495marauder UH OH! The "R" card is being played now.

[@mistyoliver5371]

So the parent’s attorney said they weren’t running or hiding, that they left the area because they “feared for their safety”. Oh, you mean like those students feared for their safety as they were running and dodging bullets shot at them by YOUR son?! Then they say Ethan didn’t have access to the gun…you mean the gun the mom posted about on her social media with the words “mom and son practicing shooting with his Xmas gift”. Then the attorney finishes by saying that the parents “are as devastated as the rest of the community”. You’re joking right?! 😡

[@elithluxe7568]

What type of psychos even give their son guns as gifts? They're the ones who made their son that way

[@Akka992]

How did these parents think they’re doing right by their own child? When presented with his disturbing behaviour they should have informed the school of his gun, they should have taken him home, removed access to his gun and gotten him the help he needed to deal with his mental health issues. These parents were negligent in the care of their own child, and that cost them his life and the life of 4 innocent children. They could have stopped all this. The school teachers were on the ball at flagging him up as a concern, this was almost handled correctly, but the school failed by letting him back in class and without searching him first.

[@danielakalamudo4360]

Sorry if I may ask , aren’t his mental issues related to bullying by his peers or I’m I missing something. Not defending him but I’m a bit confused or rather curious if there was a bullying element to it

[@hummingbird2254]

I watched a video this morning where it was stated that he wasn't being bullied.

[@airsickspace9272]

@@danielakalamudo4360 it’s an interesting matter I think wether there was bullying or not there were bigger issues with his mental health than just bullying

[@danielakalamudo4360]

@@hummingbird2254 so why would he have a desire to kill them and throw his life away

[@danielakalamudo4360]

@@airsickspace9272 so what could trigger his mental health so much that he considered and carried out killing his school mates . It has to be tied to the school or his experience there.

[@jimmyanderson1011]

The family that serves together stays together .

[@sokhornkhun7338]

Hahahahahaha the funniest

[@duane_313]

bury the whole family UNDER the jail!

[@stephenjones6030]

@@sokhornkhun7338 Yeah, I get it. I gave it a thumb up, even. But LAUGHTER was not part of my response. You obviously haven't suffered much pain in your life.

[@doclightle]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@sokhornkhun7338]

@@stephenjones6030 hahahahahahahahahaha so much pain. Stop crying. I can laugh at anything I see fit.

[@rayburney4795]

I sell alcohol on a daily basis. Do you know why I check Id's and refuse to sell alcohol to people who appear to be intoxicated? Because I can be held criminally responsible if that person injures someone. Why anyone thinks that giving a gun to someone who isn't old enough, or not stable, is alright confuses me. Those who say the parents shouldn't be held liable should also agree that I shouldn't be responsible for selling alcohol to someone who is intoxicated and runs their vehicle into a bus full of kids that results in death.

[@earvetta]

You're being responsible adult thank you

[@jennSalvate]

You refuse to sell to people that appear to be intoxicated, but do you think of the possibilities that you selling alcohol to sober people that then get drunk on that said alcohol and then drive killing people? They could and do drive at times after purchasing your alcohol. What about the drunk individual that beats and cheats on their spouse? Alcohol is not good and I see why it was illegal at one time.

[@Dis2good]

@@jennSalvate that’s why whomever is with the individual that decides to drink and drive should be held accountable too! How many people do you think leave the bar and drive? And alcohol doesn’t have anything to do with people cheating; however, if the person is beating on their spouse, that person should STOP making excuses and leave. Period.

[@muirgirl]

Most on point comment here. Thanks.

[@jlorde8838]

They didn't break any laws.

[@SOULBOARDS]

This is why (with all the respect in the world 🌎 to everyone), certain people should just NOT have children!

[@robertahubert9155]

Amen

[@ColonelEmpire]

No one should have "public schools" I.E. government funded indoctrination centers. No one should be prescribed, especially children, psychotropic drugs. Every school shooter has been on psychotropic drugs.

[@unitedwestand5100]

The prosecutor just admitted that the father went home to ensure their son did not have the gun. That tells me, he didnt know, and did not permit his son to leave the house with it, other than go to the pistol club he belonged to. Was it locked up? I have trust that it was. I have no reason to believe it wasn't. The Dems are trying to hide the school administrations fault in this. I knew when Karen, lol, charged the kid with terrorism that the Dems were seeking to make this case political.

[@ColonelEmpire]

@@unitedwestand5100 You get it.

[@greensoda9548]

@@unitedwestand5100 all that aside tho , why did the parents flee and hide ? Very stupid , now they have to stay locked up until they prove there innocence and running away is not helping

[@Halcyon-kw8nj]

The parents had so many opportunities to confiscate the gun from the son. They got notified by the school multiple times. This incident could have been prevented.

[@jaredcook4577]

They had only bough the gun 5 days prior… and they BOUGHT IT FOR HIM

[@_kim123]

@@jaredcook4577 And the mom proudly posted about their mother and son day going out to shoot guns. They bought for him and then made sure he knew how to use it. Manslaughter is the least they should be charged with.

[@jaredcook4577]

@@_kim123 totally agree

[@greensoda9548]

@@_kim123 did she teach him how to use the gun to attack people or to defend himself? That's the question

[@embossed64]

The parents are devestated they are in jail for something that they refuse to own up to.

[@lindagibbs428]

I wonder if the parents were going run and leave their children to face murder charges

[@amichels]

@@lindagibbs428 certainly seems that way

[@0xsergy]

@@lindagibbs428 i mean, the kid earned it so..

[@KrustyKlown]

Gun responsibility laws are very weak across the USA.. but at least these parents will get dragged through the dirt, virally demonized, and be dirt bags for life, as their son sits in prison for Life.

[@92cgray]

Do you really think they aren’t owning up to it? Think about how unexpected things are happening to them!! I get you’re angry at their son but they were expecting to be charged I’m sure they were in shock.

[@dakat1726]

Parents are in shock due to years of entitlement; this may be the first time they are being held accountable and can not control the narrative

[@lostinnevermore5354]

John McLean if you can’t figure that out by yourself nobody can help you.

[@fernay1633]

@@johnmaclean9516 rewatch the video. Watch James’ extremely insensitive facial expressions and it’ll start to make sense.

[@nancyc41]

@@johnmaclean9516 they were told to get their son help, therapy, their response was no. Even after all the evidence that was presented to them that he needs help, they did not care. More examples online

[@normanjones5167]

Here we go with the race card entitlement ,o.k. We know your black and everybody owes you a living.

[@rodrikosalas-warner171]

@@normanjones5167 bait

[@bellababygirl1356]

They knew their son was unstable, they knew about the disturbing drawings, they knew, they knew, the knew, and they did nothing, oh actually they did something...they gave him the gun and sent him to school. At what point do you take responsibility?!?!

[@ivana0830]

Rt

[@barbaradodds2461]

They should not have owned a gun in the first place! What a lovely Christmas present 🎁? (With extra bullets to boot!

[@J_h_420]

Wow. You people can't help but lie about the facts and the situation and try to twist it to reach your already pre determined conclusions huh? U clowns don't know what justice is.

[@diamondsndregs]

You don't turn off your phones, pull out gobs of cash, and hide in an abandoned basement in another town when you are cooperating with law enforcement. Maybe one of those things for a few hours in panic, but not all of it for that long. Spending time alone in jail just might erase a few years of entitlement from this pair.

[@anthonytaylor7928]

Not just another town they thought they can just go to Detroit and hang out in the hood they figure they wouldn't look for them there .it just white privilege mentality hopefully ur not offended

[@anthonytaylor7928]

@Muzofer Wallace call me what u want but was it their intention? Anybody from the area like I am know darn well those folks wouldn't go to the inner city of Detroit thats a whole hr drive away from where their from

[@taylorrusso5290]

The defense attorneys are truly truly terrible. First, they claim the couple didn't flee (even though they couldn't get in touch with them, and the parents had to be fully aware the police were looking for them.) Then they bizarrely claim their own malpractice to be at fault? Talk about falling on the sword for your client. To admit as a murder defense attorney that you're so unqualified for the job you didn't even know when an arraignment was? Yikes. Think it's far more likely everyone knew exactly when they were supposed to be where and the parents were trying to flee. For the defense attorney to claim their own incompetence to try to divert that fact is... insane... and honestly, exactly the level of counsel these people deserve.

[@anddyyxx]

IMO they are trying to cover up because they were aiding and abetting. I agree with everything you said

[@bdubs532]

You'd have to admit, if they were actually trying to flee they were terrible at their efforts

[@taylorrusso5290]

@@anddyyxx I doubt they were aiding and abetting. At the end of the day this a career move for these two lunatics, not something they wanna go to jail themselves for. I think it's far more likely they couldn't get in touch with their clients, didn't know what to do, stalled by claiming they knew they'd be leaving and told them they intended to hand themselves in, then tried a bizarre tactic of blaming too much media coverage for not knowing when to turn themselves in when they were found. At the end of the day, no jury is gonna believe this defense. I just find it very very unusual and frankly amusing to see a defense attorney try to claim their own malpractice to avoid the fact their client tried to flee.

[@jaymanier7286]

@@bdubs532 Maybe. They had someone let them in that warehouse in Detroit...

[@taylorrusso5290]

@@bdubs532 I don't know about that. They were miles away from the Canadian border (Canada would have turned them in ASAP when found, though, so what that plan was I'll never understand) and had people helping them hide. It was only when a responsible citizen saw them and called 911 that they were found. Between this and the Laundrie case I think we need to be very concerned with how our authorities are tracking potential murder suspects. It seems way too easy for them to escape. I understand "innocent until proven guilty" and retaining most civil rights for the accused until a trial is important, but if it's this easy to lose suspects, perhaps we need to consider intense, ankle monitor included surveillance of suspects.

[@lili2u405]

You don't need to talk to the Prosecutor, in order to turn yourself into the police department! Why not contact or just go to the nearest department? They could have gone to the police department in Detroit, instead of hiding out in a vacant building in the city. This makes no sense! These defense attorneys are so unprofessional & seem to be trying to make it a "thing" against the Prosecutor...bad strategy when these kids are dead!

[@taylorrusso5290]

The defense is beyond bad. The attorney was loud and angry, completely unprompted by the demeanor of the prosecutor and court. She also admitted to malpractice in a way I've never seen. If she truly didn't know the date of her Client's arraignment she should have her license revoked. We all know they knew the date, though. This defense is going to crumble in front of a jury.

[@anthonytaylor7928]

Ain't that about a B? They figure they can just hide out in Detroit thinking nobody would look for them here . isn't that just white privilege mentality ?

[@HardRockMaster7577]

Their ability to think clearly is on display.

[@papapsych2746]

Are you really black? Honestly how would you not know how much a prosecutor lies to the court about a defendant? Guess you think all those black men should of pleaded out Guilty in bond court instead of going to trial.

[@REALTOR_MI]

I think they were hiding out in a building in Detroit because they were probably afraid of the public backlash.

[@MrAsm961]

I don’t understand why the school authorities didn’t check the bag pack after finding out about the drawing on his bench. They have had an idea that this person could be dangerous for the other kids. Just wondering.

[@donnadilts3495]

agree

[@jlorde8838]

There wasn't any reason to think he had a gun.

[@kiza4178]

Dad has a grin on his face....really doesn't get the severity.

[@hestiaa3624]

Dude kept shaking his head no to literal text messages his wife sent 😂😂

[@recessinthering8425]

16:56 to 17:03

[@cathjj840]

A rictus - not really a smile.

[@ravenbelote1801]

I took it that he was crying, not smiling.

[@PeaceAndLove4Ever3]

I hope that prison rocks this whole families world and they wake the hell up. I believe their son will never be released and I hope the same for these parents. Just despicable people all around..

[@finnsterling6514]

Eeeeeeeyup.

[@catbishop27]

I am praying that the parents' prison terms are all consecutive to each other! That would be 60 years each 🙏🙏🙏

[@shirleyaprile4838]

So many precious lives destroyed by their decisions.

[@moniquejohnson1822]

4real tho! No family should have to bury a child, or loved one, due to such violent circumstances as this. My heart breaks for those killed. Including, those injured.

[@ericplumhoff9208]

@Luminary Harris Are you ALL the way insane or just off your meds?

[@lowbeeman]

@Luminary Harris and your comment illustrates very well what batshit crazy sounds like. 🙄

[@HEATRACER24]

What about schools that do nothing to stop bullying???

[@daeneryseilish]

@Luminary Harris Pay child support? Are they separated?

[@sarahm.1632]

I know a mother that is just like this pos mother. She makes excuses for her sons unfathomable and screwed up behavior. She doesn’t believe in discipline. I mean come on. Imo I think the court is justified in bringing charges to these two people. They are absolutely the sun, water, and food that allowed their seed to grow into the person who did these awful and tragic crimes. I’m so sorry for the the REAL parents in this awful tragedy that lost their children. May God bless them and their families throughout this. 🙏🏻💯

[@brett8460]

I know a lot of mothers like this...some of them I'm unfortunately related to. They see no wrong in their child's behavior but everyone else does.

[@sarahm.1632]

@@brett8460 unfortunately it’s we the public that will eventually have to deal with these people too, or our kids will. It’s crazy because all children deserve parents, but all parents don’t deserve children.

[@CT-vm4gf]

It’s always the parents or caregivers fault.

[@KB-si5fx]

lmao I wonder if we know the same woman. 😂

[@Valerie-vn6it]

I hope all 3 ROT in prison

[@deiempress8628]

I feel nothing for this lady's tears. How about the tears and cries of the mothers and fathers who lost a child due to your stupidity and irresponsibility. They will cry tears for the rest of their lives over the lives you help cut short. Throw the book at both these parents...

[@michelleaguirre6382]

"They're not a flight risk." Literally pulled out $4000 from their bank account and were found hiding in an empty building FLEEING from the police. If they weren't fleeing they would've turned themselves in.

[@carlaperry1312]

EXACTLY!! 😌My Sentiment As Well... SMDH, Such A Shame, My Condolences To All The Families Involved 🕊🌹

[@tinalouise4327]

Maybe $4000 was for attorneys

[@deezierten7510]

@@carlaperry1312 b

[@dutchman7623]

@@tinalouise4327 Funny! Do you have any idea at all what they charge? And I can assure you they will accept credit card, debit card and written cheques.

[@Kumoquin]

@@tinalouise4327 This has to be the dumbest defense I've ever seen for their actions. Bravo.

[@danielhawley6817]

the defense atty's are in way over their heads. The defendants said they fled because they feared for their safety...too bad they didn't fear for the safety of the kids murdered by their son.

[@julieschafer8018]

Feared for their Safety I believe it because they PLANNED on there child Doing this the fact that it Happened is an Afterthought to them🤨

[@thickymcghee7681]

fearing for the safety of the kids murdered by your son...it's not a legal term or stance. Haha.

[@DarkMasterJo]

I love how they try to fake cry I don’t feel bad and for once justice is being served

[@Dis2good]

And like the processor said. Literally the entire United States knew about this and yet they didn’t turn themselves in. Any INNOCENT parent would have gone straight to the police. Clearly they realized they eff’d up.

[@marciasimpson8852]

Way over their heads!!!!!

[@crazielocslooklikejesus3008]

Can’t believe the parents’ lawyers are shaking their heads and ROLLING HER EYES at any accusations toward the parents

[@randydumeshousen4203]

Believe they are not guilty.

[@olimac2498]

These pieces of filth.. LOVE THIS PROSECUTOR. HOLD all parents accountable for their kids actions .!!!!!!!.

[@amysussani8307]

The face expressions mr crumbley made when they listed the victims and he rolled his eyes. And keeps shaking his head and smirking

[@nicholassanders9126]

Weird that there is a whole community of people who are known to not have fathers at all… you call this community pieces of filth?

[@scarletclough]

@@nicholassanders9126 ur weird

[@deborah3912]

Of course they are the victims

[@fernay1633]

@@amysussani8307 I noticed that too and he is so disgusting for behaving this way. The Crumbleys are absolutely pathetic. Pathetic isn’t even the word. Especially the father based on his demeanor in this video. How dare he make those disrespectful and insensitive expressions during the massive severity of this case. Children died because of their child and he’s in denial shaking his head. It’s extremely shocking, disappointing and HIGHLY insensitive.

[@deeinkc]

Why is the father shaking his head no when the D.A. says the kid had access to the gun?? Clearly the kid had access to the gun. That's an indisputable fact! Shaking your head no doesn't make that untrue. He's in total denial.

[@filthyrych]

Truth

[@HardRockMaster7577]

Gaslighting??

[@papapsych2746]

How about the shock when she accused him of buying the gun for the son? I believe it was legit and she was lying.

[@kendalldad]

The mother bragged online about gifting her son a gun as did the kid himself. There's no defense for them.

[@papapsych2746]

@@kendalldad You know I've heard this claim but have been unable to verify it. I can't find anyone that archived it so I can only logically presume it's a lie.

[@alyssakaye9329]

I can’t even imagine getting a phone call that your child was shot and killed at school. Makes me sick to my stomach just thinking about it! No parent should ever get that phone call. I definitely think these parents should be held accountable because the mother knew her son wasn’t stable! As soon as the shooting was announced, she called because she immediately thought the shooter was her son right? Also why the hell would you buy your child a gun for Christmas? I feel like these could 100% be avoided if people paid attention to the signs and intervened before it was too late! No one deserves to die like this!

[@muntatheralzamel1132]

Ur not god to judge like that

[@scorpionqueen4447]

I completely agree!

[@alyssakaye9329]

@@muntatheralzamel1132 I don’t need to be “god” to have an opinion. These parents should be held accountable, and everything I said about them is things that happened and why I feel how I feel. This mother knew her son was capable of this, so I really could care less how you feel about it. Where was “god” when this boy was shooting and killing innocent students at school? 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@alyssakaye9329]

@@scorpionqueen4447 it’s absolutely awful that this stuff keeps happening! I’m absolutely terrified for my son in school cause you just never know where this is going to happen.

[@togapeneueta9466]

She's probably a control freak my god. I don't think a child should ever ask for a gun. Esspeially as a Christmas gift. I see this is a dysfunctional family.

[@dflatt1783]

They told their lawyer they were out of town while hiding out locally. They did this to turn the focus elsewhere. They had no intention of 'turning themselves in'.

[@mrsseasea]

Her “apologizes” should have been in opening, I’m sure the Judge took that wrong. Also the mother and father are both irresponsible parents, a clear reflection from I hope their only child.

[@shez738]

Her saying “don’t get caught” isn’t so funny now is it More parents should be held accountable like this

[@la73sh19]

I'm wondering if she didn't simply mean not to get caught with his phone out, in class, but the crux of the problem was WHAT he was searching on the phone. I would have come down to the school, right away, and gotten to the bottom of that.

[@The_cat_alist]

You can see him hold back a laugh at 13 minutes and 54 seconds when the prosecutor mentions that.

[@la73sh19]

@@The_cat_alist, awful!

[@ytmndan]

Well, that was referring to an action that was innocuous on its own.

[@oliviaa3577]

the reason the mom texted “dont get caught” was because ethan was searching up ammo for his new gun,, i dont think she knew he was going to start a shooting though i think she just thought he was excited for his gift. which does make me confused on why the mom didnt answer the calls or voicemails from the school and i also dont know why the school didnt make ethan go home the second time he got in trouble (morning of the shooting) or why they made him go back to class

[@SaintMartins]

In this case it's clear the root of the problem is bad parenting. Ignoring your kids mental health & behavior problems, acting like he's fine, he can't do no wrong & let's buy him a gun to make him happy is just pure insanity. Lock them up for a decade & the victim's families should then sue them straight into bankruptcy.

[@athenian221]

Yeah that's very saint like

[@sowmitriswamy6718]

@@athenian221 No this is not the time to be saint like. Now is the time to be angry and determined to hold these awful parents pay for their callousness. Four lovely innocent children are dead, several injured, and many more scarred for life. I think civil suits would be just fine in addition to criminal penalties.

[@limegreen1548]

Isnt that what yall white people do tho?.. Not being a racist but yall do ignore yall children bad behavior!!..

[@kenyap9836]

@@limegreen1548 I’m trying to understand what part of your brain made you type this? You do realize that all races, cultures, etc have parents who ignore their kid’s bizarre behavior until it’s too late? How would you feel if they responded saying black or latino parents are the reason their kids sell drugs or go to prison? You sound foolish. Let’s make sense next time

[@mariabigley3274]

VERY WELL SAID ! I TRY MY HARDEST TO BE A GOOD PARENT. LOVED THIS COMMENT VERY CLEAR

[@InfinitMugetsu]

The tears/emotions shown by these two are not for the kids that lost their lives but for the time they will be serving... The defense attorneys are very unprofessional, especially with the judge... The outcome has already been determined...

[@dropdeadalina]

You could see James laughing and scoffing when they mentiond the first victim's name during charges being read, and rolling his eyes the second time her name was mentioned

[@mcalann]

@@dropdeadalina timestamp?

[@chelleglenney156]

When our school district started holding parents responsible and having to show up at truancy court with their child, parents that had kids who were truant all the time suddenly were at school each day and on time. I understand teens can do all kinds of things that parents have a hard time controlling but when a parent gifts a firearm to a unstable child who has shown so many red flags he might do something like this, then yes, they are culpable. I knew everything I needed to know these "parents" and I use that term loosely, when they emptied out their son's bank account and fled leaving him without family or a private attorney and then when caught, hiring themselves a legal team and once again abandoning their child and only thinking of themselves.

[@KeithDCanada]

"My clients are just as devasted as everyone else.." -- I'm sure the parents of the slain kids would disagree with you on that

[@pyscez93]

The father smirking as he and his wife are being called out especially for attempting to flee speaks volumes to his character smh

[@unropednope4644]

He's not laughing he's crying.

[@pyscez93]

I saw a smirk no tears, that’s how ppl cry nowadays

[@recessinthering8425]

Demonstrates his basic lack of self-control. 16:54 to 17:04 Hope he’s dumb enough to mug like that during trial.

[@lowbeeman]

@@unropednope4644 🙄

[@fernay1633]

@@unropednope4644 watch his facial expressions. He shakes his head, shows denial, smirks. He’s just not taking any accountability.

[@ede-jomadden8182]

Interesting to see these parents appearing to be very upset. Thinking it is for themselves and not the victims -- or even their son. Watching the father shaking his head suggests he is not open to working with the court. As for their attorneys -- pretty sad whiners.

[@mslashay35]

Thought they were pulling a Kyle Rittenhouse!

[@1whocs486]

EXACTLY!!!! I'm shocked

[@hk-ub1pv]

I think the mum is regretting being a bff instead of being a parent, the dad just won't understand why he is there. He will never understand what actually happened, what it has to do with him, or why it's wrong.

[@digitalwasabi2]

Shaking his head WHILE grinning and laughing. A real sicko.

[@baconbap]

They were actually very well spoken and will mop the floor with this grand standing, out for herself prosecutor.

[@shelleymeyer9413]

This tragedy should have NEVER happened! The parents and the school failed the victims and other students! The negligence from the parents and the school officials is just unfathomable!

[@nathanjamesbaker]

Regarding whether the Crumbleys were or were not hiding from law enforcement, consider the fact that they completely turned their cell phones off. Why would they do that, except to avoid detection?

[@barmstrong25]

Everyone knows or should know you can still be tracked if your cell phone is turned off.

[@OrganicDolphin]

@@barmstrong25 depends on the phone. Not in their case

[@barmstrong25]

@@OrganicDolphinWhat type of phones did they own?

[@nathanjamesbaker]

@@barmstrong25 It depends on what you mean by "turned off." If the battery is removed, then it's impossible. Otherwise, the feds have ways to track phones that are "turned off," but it involves spyware, chips, etc. Here, it was local law enforcement, not the feds, who were searching for the Crumbleys.

[@nathanjamesbaker]

@@barmstrong25 It doesn't matter what type of phones the Crumbleys own, since law enforcement has publicly stated that they were tracking the Crumbleys' phones by pinging, until the Crumbleys turned off their phones. Hence my original comment.

[@stephenjones6030]

I'm surprised that the school didn't search the kid's belongings after having evidence that he's searching for ammunition and then discovering drawings of dead people. There will probably be lawsuits filed against the school and the district.

[@lovejunkie6078]

U can’t just search kids property. Even at a school. They would need a police officer involved. Also, why would school think he had a gun? If parents mentioned it then maybe there would’ve been reason for search. It’s easy to say what should’ve been done after the fact…

[@tbell1698]

@@Niewis While I agree with the majority of your comment, the last sentence regarding "liberal education" is twisted and absurd. Blaming liberals or liberal education for that violent outcome is insane. It's largely Republicans that take gun industry money for their campaigns, that refuse to enact sensible gun ownership and gun control, it's the Republicans who cry about their Second Amendment Rights being "taken away" (as they claim to be "pro-life"), that advocate for more guns--even in the schools--to "protect" people (knowing how easily a gun can be stolen or pulled out of the hands of and used to kill the "defender", and they fight all reasonable efforts to stop needless massacres. Enough already with hypocritical rhetoric espoused by unhinged GQPers. Their insane cult-like following and irrational beliefs are the reason the US cannot enact sensible safe gun ownership policies and remove guns from kooks. It's also why the US is the most violent of all modern Westernized nations in the world with the highest rate of incarceration.

[@HardRockMaster7577]

You can count on it!

[@HardRockMaster7577]

@@lovejunkie6078 The school has a SRO.

[@janetpartyka5968]

Stephen, Believe it or not, school officials can only do so much today. Even as simple as checking a backpack. I'm guessing the parents didn't want to search the bag for fear of what they would find. I'm not sure, but the administrator may have felt he couldn't search the bag for fear of retaliation. I'm not sure I would have let him go back to class, however, when school districts gave their rights away to parents, back in the 1960s and 70s, the school culture completely changed; parents are in charge today. With this situation, the boy's parents are responsible for gross negligence and recklessness.

[@1970boobear]

Am I reading this wrong or is the defense childishly blaming the prosecution for their clients' attempt to flee? Who cares if the prosecutor didn't return a text? Who cares if you were stuck in court all day or your partner was on a plane?! The law is pretty clear that if you are facing charges you turn yourself in, you Don't Flee. Trying to play the blame game at this point just seems immature & unprofessional. But I'm not an attorney, so please correct me if I'm wrong.

[@lisas8244]

The defense presented a word salad of gaslighting, blaming and pouting. You are not wrong.

[@DHarri9977]

The parents were seeking legal counsel before turning themselves in the attempt to flee is bogus they don't know how the system works so they wanted guidance from their lawyers. Given the severity of this case, you can bet the media will attempt to prosecute them before it makes it to the court house as evidenced by Ms. McDonald the prosecutor in this case.

[@DHarri9977]

@su lyn The prosecutor is piling on to the media's presumptions based on loose background information concerning the parents.

[@MargauxStewart]

Iamyoursudio: Well, I am an attorney and YOUR analysis of who IS responsible, under the LAW, for what IS Spot On CORRECT !

[@match20x]

I wouldnt return their texts either. They were hiding in a vacant building for heavens sake. "Get their finances together" - thats a new one.

[@juliedavis7445]

These " parents" need to be convicted along with their "baby" and sent to prison for a long time. Sickening, twisted individuals. Keep holding people like this accountable for their actions or lack thereof

[@ewanazimek1615]

Hope that will teach the parents lesson ! Responsible gun ownership! Owning a gun is a huge responsibility ! I don’t feel sorry for them I’m heartbroken for the innocent brutally taken life’s and grieving families 😪

[@ewanazimek1615]

@UCiL9t7GgdUdLsWAd2WX0Zww my child is my responsibility! And if I would own a gun I would make sure is safe out of the reach ! Especially when my child suffers some kinds of mental issues!

[@travismiles5885]

@@ewanazimek1615 you realize the kids at Columbine the kid at Sandy Hook the kid at Parkland we're all on psychotropic drugs? Maybe we should start looking at Big Pharma instead of the gun

[@merricc6911]

@@travismiles5885 you’re misinformed

[@fredliperson9171]

Don't forget to hide your car keys too...We all need to be more responsible car owners.. "Cars kill"

[@travismiles5885]

@@merricc6911 how so? In every one of those cases i mentioned it was reported that those kids were all on some kind of Mental Health Medicine. How is that being misinformed? If you're going to say something like that then back it up with the information you have.

[@Fendiee]

It’s the father making faces people died because they could not handle their child and now he’s acting like a teen who got caught stealing. How are u shaking ur head no about a text message ur wife sent…

[@suziewhattley3917]

He packs some serious attitude. I hope that gets slapped out of him in jail.

[@digitalwasabi2]

He’s a real POS, and look who he raised. Explains a lot.

[@duane_313]

RIGHT!

[@recessinthering8425]

Demonstrates his basic lack of self-control. 16:54 to 17:04

[@danielleyeap]

The defense attorneys were shaking their heads at one point as well. Completely inappropriate to the Court. Makes them look extremely unprofessional & leads one to believe they are full of bs

[@os2958]

Regardless of the legal outcome, they are both guilty of the deaths, injury, and terror they unleashed on the school.

[@fredliperson9171]

Start at the school foo🤷🏾

[@emmy4030]

They are guilty of giving their child a literal loaded gun, but I don't believe they knew he would kill anyone with it. I don't believe they knew what was going to happen, whether due to ignorance or lack of attention paid to their child and his mental health. If we are going to throw the book, throw the book at everyone who could have prevented this and DIDNT, including teachers and staff who knew about what he had done earlier in the day (the drawing of a gun, person being shot, bullet and the insane things he wrote on it) and still allowed him back into class to kill and attempt to kill his classmates and teachers.

[@taylorrusso5290]

@@emmy4030 They're charged with manslaughter and not as accessories to murder precisely because the prosecutors don't believe they intended to get anyone killed. But the law doesn't need you to intend to kill people to convict of manslaughter. All the prosecution needs to prove is that the parents did egregious things that endangered the community, and that were so absurd, any reasonable person could have seen this tragedy coming. Buying your child a weapon (a felony) and leaving that weapon unsecured (criminal negligence) will get them convicted. A reasonable parent wouldn't buy a suicidal and homicidal child a gun. They're clearly not reasonable. But they are guilty. That's why the word "involuntary" is in the charge. No one thinks they expected children to be shot, but their unreasonable actions lead to it, that's involuntary manslaughter. To try to hold the school officials and teachers as accountable is silly. Perhaps they have some accountability, but at the end of the day these parents put this gun in their mentally ill child's hand, and DID NOT follow advice from the school to get him help.

[@digitalwasabi2]

@@emmy4030 so in your world, the school never called them in and they were not shown the drawings, all the while knowing their son likely had the gun? Interesting.

[@finnsterling6514]

@@digitalwasabi2 And also texting him to not "do it," after "it" had already started.

[@tarawelsand2808]

Note to self; do not ever hire an attorney that gets court times and evidence from the media. 🤨

[@gamering9465]

We buy Legos for our children, and they buy a gun for their son. It sounds to me that shootings were encouraged by the parents.

[@janetpartyka5968]

That's absolutely what I thought. The parents enabled him and the son took them up on it.

[@greensoda9548]

Wow you should become a lawyer .. you sound really smart

[@WG-tt6hk]

They are not in distress because of the crime , they are distressed because they got caught.

[@iapetus7]

They want the guns. But not the responsibility, accountability, and liability. They have a son but don't think it necessary to be responsible, accountable or liable.. Even more reason to charge them too.. 💪🏻💪🏻 I like this precedent. 💯💯

[@sapphire6769]

I cannot imagine losing my children especially this way RIP & god help the parents & families going through this unimaginable pain.

[@mercedesb2299]

The defense team is acting like a couple of outraged teenagers. They do NOT sound or act like professional defense attorneys. They sound like over-emotional children. My level of respect for the legal profession has declined so much over the past couple years.

[@justinm6143]

I agree with you there. Let’s say the gun was locked up. The fact your kid got access to it means you failed. They will be convicted.

[@hlowrylong]

Regardless of how we feel about these parents & their son’s horrid crimes, I have to slightly disagree with your sentiment - but with a caveat - I think most defense attorneys sound like these folks here - it seems as though every case I view has some whiny, overacting, irreverent, incredulous-acting, overzealous boob as defense attorney. They all seem to act that way - yet it seems to be typical to be so unprofessional … I’ll never be picked for a jury bc I would not be able to hide my sneer and contempt for a flamboyant defense (despite 100% belief in our system & that everyone deserves defense and due process.). But I don’t have to like how they all seem to “act”.

[@itgetter9]

They act like the over-entitled whining greedy fraudsters that are rampant throughout the fascist movement. "What do you mean the law applies to US?!?!?"

[@Mattyew]

Livin in Ameeeeeeerica

[@ginawentz8574]

After that prosecutor in the rittenhouse trial these two do not surprise me at all 🤦‍♀️

[@MsSharat123]

Don't cry now lady you deserve everything you get.

[@Helmuesi911]

How could you say that? Show some compassion for that poor criminal mother.

[@normanharris7333]

And more 💀

[@athenian221]

Oh please, like if she invented guns. She didn't pull the trigger. Get real.

[@danielalbizosr]

She’s should have tried harder not too get caught !

[@malato43]

Judge mental much? Who are u, God? Didn’t think so

[@Momo-dl6dx]

Finally, justice is addressing the root of these problems. Hopefully, that teach us all to identify and mitigate red flags as soon as they appear. One day might be too late. We are parents, not their same age friends. Do your job as a parent, guide and teach.

[@papapsych2746]

You probably have no children.

[@lucalu6416]

The parents are too busy on social media no time for discipline !!

[@peaceandlove7824]

“They are devastated” because they are scared of going to prison, not devastated for the 4 children his son murdered with the gun that “wonderful mom” bought to “her baby as a Christmas present”. I wonder if she have any basic idea what the world celebrates in Christmas.There is nothing related to weapons, it is the birth of Jesus. They don’t care about anyone else than themselves!

[@Reid-bu7iv]

Wouldn't you be? How the hell do you know how they feel?

[@sandyphelps8684]

Who cares how they feel? Monsters who raised a mini monster then gave him a gun. In her words “lol”.

[@Reid-bu7iv]

@@sandyphelps8684 her words also stated that the gun was locked up.

[@DS-ky9dl]

This statement is unfair. How do you know how they feel?? Are you a mind reader?? Do you think they intended for their son to kill people.?? Come on!

[@sandyphelps8684]

@@DS-ky9dl you have obviously not followed the case. Watch the indictment and you will see that they saw the pictures he drew killing people with a gun and saying how he felt. Once again I say, who cares how they feel? These are parents who gave an unstable child who was underage, a gun, which is illegal and whatever anyone says, the results are 4 dead children. I care how their families feel not these idiots.

[@embossed64]

Saying they were not fleeing, is epic attempt at gaslighting.

[@FrankYammy]

I dont think you know what that word means

[@embossed64]

@@FrankYammy Yeah, hiding out in a building, withdrawing cash from your account, not showing up....thats not fleeing. Karen attorney insisting they were not fleeing, but would magically show up, thats not gaslighting.

[@EmperorOfMan]

I always take out $4K and chill in vacant buildings an hour away from home. Standard urban vacation! A getaway from the stress of daily life. Not guilty!

[@embossed64]

@@EmperorOfMan Maybe they are two of those urban explorers that post so many videos on KZbin and were out gathering content.

[@michaelcorcoran8768]

Yeah I mean there's no good excuse. Claiming they left town for their own safety is really the only card they had to play. I wonder if these lawyers have a relationship with these people or if they were just hired.

[@at7595]

It's much safer place for them to be "in" jail as opposed to "out".

[@anneturner1403]

Time has come to hold parents responsible for their school-age children, who using a gun for any purpose against any person or persons, be held responsible for those actions that results in injury or death of another persons...

[@countrystyleco2010]

Should've always been this way, regardless of race or skin color, even when the states involved they she be held responsible for lack of doing there job

[@katemiller3796]

Yes… because they not only failed to keep the gun away from their kid, they provided the gun FOR THE KID

[@beecampbell8596]

As a parent myself and I write this from a parents perspective, it's our duty to observe our kids behaviors & know your child's capabilities or atleast try to do so. Why honestly would you purchase a deadly weapon for your child, a child you know is a troubled child?? Completely ignore all warnings brought to you by the school. This could have been prevented!! Having children comes with serious responsibilities and duties, really and truly if you can't atleast even do half of that then get tubal ligation or a vasectomy. It's really unfair that innocent families have to pay for your negligence, innocent lives too gone because of your negligence. May God give strength to all the families affected and infected by this.

[@changtcg]

At this point, i can say that buying that gun for christmas was the worst decision ever for these two duos. That decision took four life due to their negligence and now in a blink of an second their life is being taken away.

[@Redshomested]

If I was the gun salesman, I'd be beside myself

[@oceanrocks]

@Jns Jhome Responsible parents don’t buy their deranged son a handgun.

[@mnemonija]

@Jns Jhome mandating training and insurance would go a long way with guns. For one, you don’t get to own a gun until you are wealthy enough to have something lo lose.

[@ravenbelote1801]

@Jns Jhome And that's quite frightening. Children should not have guns of their own.

[@jaythefae]

@@mnemonija I agree with having mandated training and insurance, however I think your statement on someone not being able to own a gun unless they're "wealthy" enough is rediculous. The only valuable thing worth shooting someone for imo is to save another's/your own life, not to rescue money

[@MrsznewyawkRN]

Bet the mom isn’t laughing anymore about her son “not being caught looking up ammo”

[@Charlesslides]

No way he was “caught”; it was an advertisement of a cry for help.

[@Keitagene]

She wasn’t the only one laughing, he was laughing during this vid when his charges were read🤦🏾‍♂️ hopefully they’ll get what’s deserved

[@foxtrotwolf6081]

If son had a device, he'd send message to mom, "Yeah mom, you have to just learn not to get caught."

[@thomask4836]

After watching this arraignment, I have tremendous respect for the way this judge handled it.

[@businesscat4435]

This judge is going to be on the case permanetly too, which is a relief.

[@ladbol521]

Pistol as Christmas present for a 14 year old....leaves much to be desired

[@caps201]

Judge was writing her grocery list out while defense chick was going on her diatribe. She looks good now she lost a lot of weight since the nassar trial. Pasty white Irish but I find her attractive

[@donjohnson2940]

if all judges were like this we would be better off. But they let violent criminals out like the Christmas Parade killer on $1000 bond. We need to be tough on crime and parents.

[@steveoranges1960]

@@donjohnson2940 You don't know how she treats non-white defendants. She could give them a slap on the wrist and come down hard on white defendants. You can't assume she's "tough on crime"

[@poppysdaddi]

the dad smirking the whole time is infuriating.

[@jsun7972]

Yeah i couldn't believe he was doing that. I hope he gets convicted... then let's him smirk like that.

[@jlorde8838]

@@jsun7972 what smirks I don't see it?

[@AJDaniels5298]

Okay, I had behavioral issues when I was a teenager, too. I was the token poor kid at the rich kids' school and I was bullied relentlessly. This bullying very often became physical and, as a result, I started fighting back. That only landed me in more trouble. I once brought a knife to school and it fell out of my backpack in the locker room. I was immediately yanked from PE, sent to the office, and my mom was called. There was a conference discussing my future at the school, I was sent home and suspended for two weeks. The next day, Mom got the call that I'd been permanently expelled. I spent a year in juvie and had to finish high school there. THAT'S HOW YOU HANDLE IT!

[@hayden6265]

Wow.. sorry to hear about u getting bullied to the point of bringing a knife to school.. haven’t the person yank you out from pe there’s no telling what you would have done if one of your bullies tried messing with you that day. But it seems like you changed In more of a positive way afterwards so that’s good👍 hope all continues to go well.

[@prasan7th]

It can be handled a lot better, these bullies need to be sent to juvie.

[@wesplumley1593]

imagine telling that path to parents now....

[@jay-rev]

you are a survivor. i would be honored to be counted among your friends, sir…you speak VOLUMES with regard to what is happening here. thank you!

[@gagesserotonin6863]

bullying isn’t a justification or an explanation lol

[@lydiabailey-boone3962]

I feel so sorry for the 4 devastated families, the 7 injured children, AND all the traumatized students and staff. I also feel that this kid's life has been a set up. His behavior was screaming "Help Me". Then, traumatized, apprehended, and arrested, his parents ABANDONED him and went on the run!

[@esdee878]

This prosecutor is the Karen we can all need in this case. Karen McDonald rocks!! 🤘🏾

[@nishamack586]

yes! much respect to her swift actions!

[@patinajadeatherton2385]

LOVE HER! 🙌🏽 We are all so lucky she is the prosecutor on this case. She’s a powerhouse and won’t let anything slide. 👊🏽❤️

[@jenifferrose3084]

As a parent I WOULD FEEL RESPONSIBLE if my child did something like this! TAKING RESPONSIBILITY & RAISING YOUR CHILDREN TO DO THE SAME. SHOULD BE MANDATORY FOR PARENTS.

[@greensoda9548]

The grandparents are the ones to blame though if you think about it right ?

[@perfectlyflawed5330]

Unrealistic people stop it....parents can't control EVERYTHING their child does.

[@unknown17171]

@@perfectlyflawed5330 it’s their job to care for his mental and physical health. of course parents can’t help everything, but they could at least make an effort.

[@kevinc8955]

Didn’t cry at her sons arraignment. Cries at her own. Demon.

[@kevintanner4881]

You hit the head of the nail on that one brother my opinion all three of them need to go and see the electric chair

[@sandib4234]

.@@kevintanner4881 .👍👍👍

[@sandib4234]

Yeap pure Evil!!

[@sweet_ladylove5734]

It's real now.. if negligence was a damn person!!🤬😡🤬😡🤬😡🤬🤡🤡💩💩💩💩

[@beachkatz9639]

No one is saying they encouraged Ethan but they didn’t take the situation seriously and because of that their son killed 4 teenagers and injured several all more and probably would have continued till he ran out of bullets if it wasn’t for being caught in the act. The mere fact that they are lying about the events of the day and went on the run speaks volumes

[@jannettsnow2856]

His own mother said don't get caught

[@francescagibbons5842]

And her posts show she didn't anything but buy a guy to make him happy that was her resolution..now I hope she can't sleep eat, for what happened

[@lilg2300]

I would even go so far as to say their behavior encouraged the action of their son.

[@danielleyeap]

@@lilg2300 right?! Like why give him his Christmas present so early. A gun at that! Why, why, why? Just seems soooo strange.

[@papapsych2746]

You know the prosecution lies in nearly every criminal case, maybe you haven't been paying attention to how things work in the US but lets see how you feel if you are on the other side. That's why there are so many false convictions the prosecution will lie and make up stuff to bolster their weak evidence every time presented with the problem to "make it stick" That said the school is culpable here just as much if not more than the parents.

[@mandymoore5774]

Diiiiiid these lawyers NOT advise their clients to turn themselves in ASAP?!?!!! They shoulda just walked in and turned themselves in. They weren’t home, they were clearly hiding. They DID flee tho. They ACTUALLY EID IT! We all saw that from around the country. McDonald just said it; “they don’t need permission from law enforcement or their lawyers”. Solid point! & good for the school alerting the parents & everyone involved about this kid. That’s the backbone of this entire situation.

[@brianrobinson116]

To be fair, they stopped responding to their lawyers.

[@jay-gv1rh]

@@brianrobinson116 That's irrelevant. The law doesn't state that you don't have to turn yourself in if you can't talk to the DA. There was a warrant; they and their lawyers knew it. Their lawyers first thought should have been getting their clients to the police station.

[@brianrobinson116]

@@jay-gv1rh You clearly do not know that the word "irrelevant" means. If they are not responding to their lawyers (because, as it turns out, their cell phones were off . . . probably so they could not be tracked) how the hell do you expect their lawyers to advise them to turn themselves in? Smoke signals? Mental telepathy?

[@jay-gv1rh]

@@brianrobinson116 Your comment was not clear as you didn't define "They". To were two "they"s who didn't respond to lawyers. I read it to mean "The DA's office was not reponding to Crumbley's lawyer".

[@cyndysota]

The sad thing is when teachers do their job there are parents in total denial about their kids & refuse to see anything wrong & cooperate with the school. These parents refused to take him home but most importantly after seeing his drawing not checking his backpack just to be safe that he didn’t actually take the gun they bought him to school. Total negligence on the parents parts thinking their little Angel couldn’t possibly kill anyone. Well there are now 4 dead students that know otherwise!! 😡😡😡😡

[@togapeneueta9466]

It's very unfortunate that we have to start Christmas like this. The saddest of part of this is there are parents who lost children. This is a dark Christmas.

[@skyleruribe1853]

I could never be a defense attorney against people like these no matter the money.

[@alexwildman1775]

They were probably paid well

[@JimJonesKoolaid]

You dont become a defense attorney because you want to help innocent people, you become a defense attorney because ultimately it’s everyone’s right to a fair trial

[@match20x]

Money aside, a defense atty ensures their clients receive a fair trial. But where I struggle is when they talk in circles. I have no law degree but the mere fact that they didnt stay put but instead "left town for their safety", withdrew $4000 or as the defense stated "getting their finances together" only to end up hiding in a vacant building. The defense should have been you guys need to get your butts in the sheriffs dept or find another lawyer...rather than texting the prosecutor all day long.

[@sunny1433]

They probably are doing it for the “fame factor” high risk, high reward for little known lawyers. This case will change everything in society regarding the responsibility of parents for their children’s actions. It’s long overdue .

[@Kami3Kaze]

@@sunny1433 it won't change a thing they're only being charged because they bought him the gun nothing more

[@maryelaine-blinstrubchambe6083]

The defendant is crying for herself NOT for the children she helped her son murder. I don't know why they aren't also charged with the people who were shot!

[@vblackwell3347]

They certainly should be, as they provided the gun & ammo, knowing that he has mental problems that they obviously contributed to.

[@kryptkeeperdoesgamespoorly5996]

man, stop. no one can imagine what they are going through.

[@jnicole2440]

@@kryptkeeperdoesgamespoorly5996 I agree. I can not stand when someone speaks their thoughts about something they can't know as fact.

[@jalilcrawford2949]

I mean why would they be charged it’s not like they knew homeboy was going to go to school and shot it up

[@jalilcrawford2949]

Shoot

[@Trentberkeley86]

So sad, all these lives ruined because people are stuck in their ways .

[@Trentberkeley86]

@Luminary Harris I mean, behavior is learned and that guy looks like he believes he entitled, he looks frustrated , stewing in anger and unable to process his emotions like a well adjusted human. Sitting there shaking his head like he’s a victim in all of this. Shame.

[@fernay1633]

@Luminary Harris I completely agree. I truly hope his smirks and insensitivity is used against him. Unfortunately I’ve noticed this happens when children have children. These people should not have procreated.

[@myandersonangelsjalynnlail252]

So the parents lawyers are the reason they missed the date and time to turn themselves in?

[@pkp6791]

If the parents were going to turn themselves in, why did they take thousands of dollars from their bank account, abandon their car, and were found hiding in the basement of a building??

[@kevintanner4881]

They were totally running because they knew they're guilty only guilty people around if you're innocent you'd stick around

[@sharone.langley2923]

Consciousness of guilt

[@heartstrings7814]

This is just the beginning of these types of Gun Loving Parents teaching their Unstable and Violent Kid to use a Dangerous Weapon as a means to Resolve Differences or Conflicts.

[@johnnycage7666]

Do you know these same laws will be used on inner city parents of under 18 children commit firearms murder?

[@mariatheresavonhabsburg]

@@johnnycage7666 You've gotta keep your guns locked.

[@carieyounginsurance]

That’s not how people usually are that are responsible gun owners/ just like you have criminals that hurt others with guns..responsible gun owners find it horrendous this man bought a gun and gave it to a 15 year old. No one normal does that - don’t confuse good gun ownership with bad gun ownership. Just like bad car owners and good car owners- you must use your equipment responsibly or you will pay the price

[@1whocs486]

@@johnnycage7666 if the parents have knowledge of their kids unstable mental health issues and gives them access to a gun should be

[@TheSandman121212]

@@johnnycage7666 And?

[@sincerelyyours9246]

The defense attorneys are terrible at this. The darker haired lady can’t even argue without an “um” every few words. And she’s too emotional as if she’s the one on trial 😂 she needs to calm down and get her lies straight.

[@mslashay35]

Ikr. They are going to get their clients a big fat 60 years!

[@Jalhde]

You can’t criticize the defense attorneys for showing emotions while fighting for their clients but then give the prosecutor grace for using HER emotions as driving factors for prosecuting the parents. I agree the parents are responsible and should be charged. But arguing your case with “emotion” is exactly what criminal trials entail. Or maybe this is your first criminal trial you’ve seen? 🙃

[@nicolebrown1927]

"Um!". You got me weak!😂😂😂💙

[@thesummerland6165]

@@Jalhde prosecutor emotions are due to the slaughter of four innocent kids and injuries to 7 others, myriad of kids affected, defense lawyer emotions are for defending these egregious people responsible for it

[@TheSandman121212]

@@Jalhde Yes you can. Because rule one for lawyers in court is to not get emotional which the prosecutor didn't. Defense lawyers did. Rule number 2(actually this is really rule number 1) DONT TALK OVER THE JUDGE. Bunch of moron defense lawyers there.

[@calvinsmyth]

Along with the drawings and threatening statements, the kid wrote, "The thoughts won't stop. Help me." It is difficult to understand how the teacher, school counselor, and parents did not recognize that this kid was in crisis and needed immediate help. His parents left without him, the school staff returned to the activities of school, and he was left to be on his own. He had just indicated that he wanted to kill and at the same time he indicated that he wanted help and all four adults turned their backs on him.

[@mintamearaself799]

😞

[@bl4374]

While they were busy securing defense for themselves and fleeing, have they even spoken to their child? Where is their concern for him other than telling him not to cooperate? This is sad all the way around.

[@sabrina.natalie]

Honestly, in my opinion, they were abandoning their son. They’re son is sitting in a jail cell (rightfully so), and his parents could care less, and are only concerned about themselves. Doesn’t Detroit have an International Airport? I wouldn’t be surprised if they were planning to leave the country with fake ID’s, fake passports, the whole shebang. It was reported that the parents had help from someone, but they haven’t released who that person was - but I wouldn’t be surprised if charges are filed against that person. I think they planned to leave the country and abandon their son. Anything is possible.

[@unknown17171]

@@sabrina.natalie they spent fifteen years messing up their son, providing no support or therapy & instead gave him a gun. who's really shocked that when he finally snapped, they were nowhere to be found? they don't care about anyone but themselves, not even their child.

[@greensoda9548]

@@unknown17171 yeah they are evil people and as a society we should group up and hate them together. Not just the parents but the grandparents as well, they are just as guilty , all 7 of em

[@vidguy007]

Finally, someone being held responsible I never thought I’d feel badly for the kid but now I kinda understand what horrible people he has for parents

[@nicolebrown1927]

I don't feel bad for his funny lookin butt! They need to check and see if the parents of the year took part in the 1-6-21 terrorist attack!😡

[@8thhousemoonrabbit205]

@@unknown17171 what stopped him from visiting the school guidance counselor?

[@unknown17171]

@@8thhousemoonrabbit205 school counsellors are notoriously difficult, but also i do think they were involved with him. definitely not capable of giving him the help he needed though.

[@rosaslifeinrandom2440]

The defendant's counsel is wrong right away...you don't have to inform the prosecutor if your client will appear on the arraignment or not..it will work on the prosecution's side if they won't..so for her to talk like blaming the prosecutor is wrong, it's the court who sets the schedule. And if they are truly in contact with the defendants, their clients would/ could have told them about the scheduled arraignment! The defendant's lawyer should learn that talking fast without analyzing the statement could lead to losing a case!

[@match20x]

Exactly. They should have been telling their clients to turn themselves in...rather than spend all that time contacting the prosecutor. I couldnt even understand what they wanted from the prosecutor.

[@rosaslifeinrandom2440]

@@match20x that defendant's attorney also represented Larry Nassar, she's really one twisted lawyer

[@carebearkuz]

I totally agree!!! Also the dad constantly shaking his head no made me sick!!! How is the mother going to explain what she meant in those texts because it's plain and simple what she meant!! You can't deny that kind of wording and knowing that your son has made that drawing!!! Disgusting!!!!

[@berniecruz8405]

"could lead to losing a case'? I think they already know that they don't have a fighting chance and that the outcome is a far gone conclusion, already! And they know this! So, I think they're just going to play the legal game and monkey up the entire process as much as they can just so they can use the "unfair trial" excuse.

[@MelloriNoMori]

They don't have a snowball's chance in Sahara of winning this case. Blaming the prosecutors, asking for a "Reasonable" bond. They look like trust fund lackies, taking out 4k out of an ATM, 50k isn't going to hurt their ego or their income. Look what the mother does, marketing for a large company. She's without a doubt making an easy 10k in her sleep.

[@tiffanykristen4787]

This whole case devastates me! Who would buy their kid a gun....much less a hand gun! I'm from Louisiana and we all have guns in the house but don't buy them for juveniles and keep them in a safe! I can't wrap my brain around this! You don't buy a gun for a child to begin with but to buy a handgun for a kid that's clearly struggling! If anything they were negligent and that's to say the least!!!

[@randydumeshousen4203]

So its legal to buy a gun for your juvenile child just not when the child uses in a manner that is for ill intentions.

[@barbaradodds2461]

What do you do with all those weapons?

[@Southernheathen13]

Honestly, I’d fire those lawyers today. The excuses and finger pointing was ridiculous. If they gave their clients bad advice or guidance, it’s on them. The defense lawyer blamed everyone except themselves and their clients for the attempt at fleeing.

[@rosalindmartin4469]

Scusi... The crime was so horrific that these two adults knew that many many people hated their guts (pure vernacular fits) and ... might "snap" into bizzarre rageful thinking.

[@LDeniseJackson]

Picked that up. Novices.

[@thatlittlevoice6354]

Now that precedent is set, can we prosecute judges who let career criminals off to kill again?

[@boerqwhaas]

I think thats a good point

[@susanmulvey6311]

Yes!! Great idea!!

[@Slicknick24-7]

I'm glad the parents are being held accountable. They are as much if not more to blame ,if what the media is reporting are facts. Parents are not supposed to be a child's friend or peer . This is truly sad 😥. Thoughts and prayers for the victims families and their classmates.

[@LibertyDankmeme]

only because they are white - they will be coming for you next - enjoy

[@airsickspace9272]

Honestly I think the kid needed a real “friend” who didn’t just buy another Gun but actually sat down and tried to figure out what was wrong. A parent who would actually help not just buy some new gun

[@justin-2473]

@@LibertyDankmeme don’t wanna get charged for negligent conduct? Then don’t act negligently. It’s that simple. Stop fear mongering, the only parents “they will be coming for” are the ones either dumb enough or negligent enough to buy a firearm for their 15 year old who has a journal about how he wants to kill his classmates AND THEN leave that gun unsecured in a dresser drawer where that troubled child can access it at his own leisure without any supervision or permission.

[@justin-2473]

@@LibertyDankmeme you’d have to have no more than 2 brain cells in total to believe that these parents acted diligently and responsibly.

[@deborahsevigny4763]

Only one thing I disagree with is that Parents can't be "friends". Yes we can! But we still are responsible for any decisions that we make regarding our children.

[@bridgettjohnson7437]

This defence team will loose..the attorney saying her client's "intended to turn themselves in" is a crock of 💩. They would not have gone on the run if they were going to turn themselves in. They take off abandoning their kid in custody. They don't deserve bail..they are a flight risk.