Arrma Kraton differential - Which one is better?

#vitavon #EXB #arrma #6s EXB or Vitavon diff? Which upgrade diff, and diff housing is the best for you? Have a deeper look into each diff to see which one has your performance needs.
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[@jasonridgeway4541]

M2C also offers upgraded out drive dif pins. They fit their out drives perfectly!!

[@KUDRARACING]

Oh yah? I didn't know that, thanks for the tip :)

[@JamieFox-x4m]

​@@KUDRARACINGthey also stick by their products and also if you break certain parts or bend a chassis the give a refund even if your fault! Nice video and detailed good for newbies getting started!

[@JJ-lu6mg]

M2C does have an amazing warranty, but I still like to try other companies. I also had similar experience with Scorched RC and Vitavon. It’s good for us as consumers to have competition between companies. It’s a win for us when the parts keep getting better and better.

[@CRKhead]

I've learned more about the gears, difs and drives on my Kraton in the week since I've found your channel than I have in the 5 years I've had it. Thanks!

[@Bornindafire]

Same here

[@SOMNIOHM]

_Verrry informative, you have saved me mass headache in the future!_

[@KUDRARACING]

Glad I could help - more videos to come!

[@SOMNIOHM]

@@KUDRARACING _After seeing this.. its almost as if Arrma knows this, and kept a weak point on purpose! (They have to continue to pour in money somewhere for replacement parts).. after-all, "Over bullet proofing" something you are going to sell as an extreme basher, may just be bad for future business!_

[@SOMNIOHM]

@@KUDRARACING _More content indeed, you are very well spoken, and have high quality videos!_

[@AnthonyBencomo]

SOLID video. Really appreciate the in depth info!

[@KUDRARACING]

Thx my dude!

[@aliasangelalias]

All your videos are great! Keep up the good work. You deserve more subscribers!

[@KUDRARACING]

Thx man, more coming!

[@TheDudeRc]

Love Vitavon stuff. Just finished my DBXL diffs a few moments ago!

[@KUDRARACING]

That thing is a beast!! How are this diffs holding up? How often do you run it?

[@Mazda6i07]

Subbed for the detailed video & research! Buying my kraton this weekend

[@KUDRARACING]

Hell yeah!! The Kraton is tons of fun - remember to buy extra out drives ;)

[@Christina_and_Terry]

Appreciate your input dawg.. that kind of info is gold. Thanx.

[@KUDRARACING]

Thx homie 🤙

[@Blankholes]

My friend You should make more analytical videos. Yours is one of the most clear and concise explanations of an item I’ve seen on KZbin. Thank you

[@KUDRARACING]

I appreciate the feed back man! I do plan to do more videos like this... partly because I wish I had this video when I was trying to figure it out hahah Glad to hear it was helpful

[@JJ-lu6mg]

If you buy from Jenny’s RC they sell the new aluminum diff housing with the whole diff and all the out drivers in the housing for $105. That’s a killer deal IMO, but I did just buy a set of Vitavon aluminum bulk heads and a set of knuckles from Perfect Pass this pass weekend. He had a 2 day sale on all his Vitavon products, it was 20% off your purchase.

[@KUDRARACING]

Killer deal man! That upgrade is going to be pretty sweet!

[@keldonator]

From what I understand the 29mm and 31mm differentials are interchangeable as long as you have the center shaft out drive gear as well. I'd like a comparison of the 29mm vitavon diff with the exb. Thanks for sharing 👍

[@ninthislandrc]

Personally, I'm a big fan of Vitavon Racing parts. The biggest advantage is that the aluminum is always 7075, whereas most parts from the "big name" brands (Traxxas, Arrma, Losi, etc) are made from 6061. As for 'questions', any time I'm not certain about something related to Vitavon, I always email Arthur directly (plus, that way, I can also usually get whatever I'm ordering anodized a particular shade of blue that he knows I prefer).

[@KUDRARACING]

No way, I didn’t realize that Vitavon was that customer focused - Good to know! 7075 is where it’s at. Everything else can get kicked down the road 😆

[@ninthislandrc]

@@KUDRARACING I can't say they do that for everyone...but, as much as some have purchased, they do. It's not a "special treatment" thing (ie. I'm not getting something that others can't get)...but, I'm sure it's also not something they'll do for everyone, for every order. Plus, is not something they'll do for everyone Vitavon makes.

[@mikek4288]

I run the Hot Racing diff case and diff housings with zero problems. Maybe it isnt perfection, but its a good price alternative from plastic to the pricey vitavon. I am still drooling over the vitavon chassis tho.

[@WeissRC]

Great video sir, well done! 🫡 However, I would be remiss if i didn't mention the one point you got wrong, which is the aluminum vs plastic diff housing itself... it does in fact matter, not because of the weight, but because of the ability to loctite screws into the aluminum housing. See, with the plastic housing the screws can back out over time, allowing play between your sun/spider gears. This will eventually cause them to strip resulting in a rebuild (when in fact, there was absolutely nothing wrong with the gears themselves). This has happened to me both on 6s and 8s Kratons... so to summarize, aluminum diff housings absolutely matter and are objectively better due to the fact that you can loctite screws. This will result in better longevity of the sun/spider gears and keep you running for far more hours between rebuilds. Anyway, love the content and happy bashing brother! 😎🤘

[@KUDRARACING]

Thanks for adding this here in the comments section. All round aluminum diff housing are the way to go. I have seen a few people with that exact issue… sucks but the exb versions are certain the way to go.

[@tommygunnz450]

Treal for the win. Only 60 and have never had a issue

[@KUDRARACING]

Haven’t tried Treal parts yet but they are on my list fooorrr suuuure 🚀

[@ivytorrens9259]

Great video thanks for the information

[@Doug_Morgan]

I have recently gone to GPM MAJ039S drive cups. They are extended by 2~3 mm which stops the dog bones from popping out on my 6S Kraton EXB RTR. At first I did the remove the washers fix, but after getting the GPM drive cups I have put the washers back under the pillow balls and have no issues with the dog bones coming out.

[@clairecooper3848]

Great vid , just subscribed 👍👌👍

[@KUDRARACING]

Thanks for the sub!

[@conraddavidson6996]

Send it 🔥🔥🔥

[@SebastianLong]

I personally hate setting up diffs in RCs. When i do diff upgrades with my Losi products, i never even have to consider diff shims. Same with Traxxas and Axial. Arrmas seem to be the only ones that need shimming and diff oil adjustment.

[@edwinlomonaco6754]

First I'd like to say I recently found this channel. And I am enjoying the content style. With that said.....I use RCAWD LSD diffs in combination with M2C diff cups. Then shim the diff and tune the fluids accordingly. 500k center, 60k front 30k rear. All 3 lsd diffs. That combination works in any of the housings. And is super durable. My bash style is like RC Dude, Duperbash and Aldo. Just saying there are other combos that are bit less confusing and just as reliable. Although I will say that arriving at the combo did take some trial and error. By the way our Kratons are almost identical. Except I installed a 6S Hobbywing combo and got rid of the tri support chassis bracing. And installed a CRCU tower to tower brace, their A,B,C and D blocks. And installed a Scorched titanium chassis. If I could post photos I would. I think you'd like it. Unfortunately weather has stopped me from putting this new build through its paces two weeks in a row.

[@KUDRARACING]

Yoooo! I appreciate your comment. Hell yeah M2C out drives are solid, literally installing them as we speak lol And I haven't dialled the diff fluids perfectly yet so I'll give your ratio a try. Ti chassis would be nuuuts! Also you get those sparks on concrete haha 👊

[@RcSpeedFreak-kk8wj]

The reason this is so different to the stock is that is the vitavon rtr diff not the 29 mm one they make that would fit fine the center outdrives would work if you bought the 29mm diff from vitavon

[@KUDRARACING]

I hear yah - I also have a stack of 29mm diffs from Vitavon. Doing a bunch of testing to get a bullet proof diff. Seems like it’s really hard to do but I’m getting there 😅

[@robertstrader5356]

Good info appreciate it

[@KUDRARACING]

You bet!

[@ec3489]

I was leaning towards an arms kraton, but there are countless videos of problems with parts. Aftermarket and oem. I think I’ll look at the traxxas sledge. At least when it breaks or time for an upgrade, you don’t have to deal with all this. Thanks for sharing

[@KUDRARACING]

I almost bought the Traxxas sledge - Such a sick truck! Can't go wrong. How ever the Kraton is also a beast and relatively easy to work on. Either way you will have fun.

[@allscalerc]

Great information. Thank you. I just subscribed to your channel. 👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@KUDRARACING]

Thanks homie! More videos coming 🚀

[@jimk962]

Wow good looking out man wow that’s a huge deal wtf arms and vitavon

[@THEMANCAVE2023]

I actually broke the 10.tooth gear. I printed one with peek-a and then threw it in oven for 4 hrs still.running it

[@KUDRARACING]

thats rad!

[@ProBoatMan]

I would not recommend ordering Vitavon especially on eBay .If the post office sticks your package wrong mailbox you never received it Vitavon and eBay will NOT replace or refund your money back .

[@stabiel82]

thats BS, ordered several vitavon of ebay, and only 1 was lost and they gave me a full refund

[@ProBoatMan]

@@stabiel82 They didn't give me chit ! Kept saying it was delivered

[@Mr.Titanium1911]

BS. I was fully refunded by eBay within 5 days.

[@ProBoatMan]

@@Mr.Titanium1911 not me they said cause I file a claim with PayPal they close the case .Hey bro do you keeping buying you China trash that's on you pal

[@KUDRARACING]

@@ProBoatMan honestly no company is perfect because of how hard we run these trucks… but I’ve got a ton of parts from M2c, Basherqueen, Vitavon etc… luckily I’m getting to test all these parts out

[@Facts-R-Real]

Can u do some shots of your work bench set up like the drawers etc?! Love seeing others.

[@KUDRARACING]

Would love to do a video like that! I also did a setup video when I first got my tool box - feel free to check it out 😄 kzbin.info/www/bejne/q5bIk4KiZr6kkMU

[@Shellzwick]

Cool video . I havent had problems with any of my arrma 6s outdrives.

[@KUDRARACING]

Well... I wish I had your luck haha

[@Shellzwick]

@@KUDRARACING I think everyone that’s into rc’s have a bad luck car or something in that boat . I had non stop problems with the Traxxas maxx v2 while everyone on KZbin call it a tank

[@KUDRARACING]

@@Shellzwick haha I hear yah on that one

[@NiklasAdv]

@@Shellzwicki have had no issues on my maxx v2 😅 just a few small breaks but we do run in the winter and cold weather.

[@AnthonyBencomo]

It was the first thing I broke. Got it day one, 2 hours later, broke lol. Still a great RC car. I was going hard on it. Landing it very poorly. I’m New to RC’s.

[@Hott_Nickellz]

I needed to replace my diff housing and after doing some research I went with scorched. They’re expensive asf but NOOOO issues.

[@KUDRARACING]

Basically, whichever option has no issues I’m in 😅

[@gboulter]

The 31mm will fit the BLX cars EXBs should have the stronger 29mm which also gives the option to run LSD plates the 31mm are much weaker with narrow gear teeth and thinner output shafts.

[@KUDRARACING]

Agreed - I have moved my entire 6s line up to 29mm and all rear diffs have GP4 gears with aluminum case. I ditched the LS entirely… 6 of the 7 trucks have the aluminum housings as well 🚀

[@williamguillen3]

I’m confused slightly. You’re talking about a vitavon 31mm standard diff compared to an arrma EXB diff. Should have compared arrma EXB diff to a Vitavon 29mm EXB diff. Gears from standard to EXB will always be different. You made a lot of good points. But confused me there.

[@KUDRARACING]

I have been doing a lot of testing with diff combinations lately. So in this video I was really trying to point out the the difference of the outside diff gear and the 10 tooth. The splines are different as well as the spacings. Also, if you're upgrading the details are not very obvious on the website unless you have done this a ton. Im planning on doing a part 2 because there is still more info to make a bullet proof diff.

[@stephencartwright9792]

I thought the diffs where different from exb & blx? I believe exb is 29mn blx 31mm. Out drives are also different. I have the exb diffs with the LSD plates & have less drama then blx diffs

[@KUDRARACING]

Yeah, EXB comes with the 29mm but you can also run a 31mm. Just have to make sure the 10 tooth matches 👌

[@backlashD]

I really hope a solution to the breaking diff cups can made. I've never had an RC break more diff cups then the Kraton. I'm tired of fixing the diffs.

[@KUDRARACING]

Duude, I totally agree. Between the Kraton and the Fireteam I have broken so many...

[@justingere1824]

Exb parts are probably easier to get a hold from shops.

[@matsauvagea]

Don't know if it's an EXB thing or not but I have the Vitavon bulkheads and the Arrma Aluminum diff housing in my Mojave and I've never had this issue but I can say when integrating multiple aftermarket parts sometimes a little dremel work maybe some drilling and polishing for proper fit may be required . Built my Mojave from the ground up attempting to use as few stock Arrma parts as possible. JBI, Vitavon, M2C, Scorched, CRCU , Afrolucha , TP , Promodeler, PPS and the list goes on .

[@KUDRARACING]

Hell yeah, I hear that. Thanks for the input man 🤙

[@timothylott4092]

So if you used the upgraded Aluminum Diff Case and the Upgraded Steel out drives from Arrma would it make a Difference Compared to Vitavon?

[@dnherb]

refreshing not to hear all the laughter and giggling. thanks for being normal. lol

[@KUDRARACING]

😎🔥🙏

[@lDIMAl]

Wow, great video, great comparison! Appreciate it! Keep pushing! Interesting, what is your opinion about drive shafts, there are a lot of different on the market m2c, vitavon, titanium etc. What is your experience?

[@KUDRARACING]

Thx man! What kind of videos would you like to see more of? Im an m2c guy on all the drive shafts. I haven't played with Titanium much but im hogging to design and make some Ti parts one day ;)

[@lDIMAl]

@@KUDRARACING I am building now Fireteam by using parts from M2C, Vitavon, Scorched RC (titanium shafts, alu diff housing etc.) and Custom RC Upgrades, just the fun project with super puper parts. I've never heard about some problems with arrma 6s stock shafts, but there is a huge problem with them on arrma 8s rigs. You can bend them very easily, so wondering if the vitavon's shafts have better material than the stock one. Also interesting topic, which oil combintations you are using for diffs and shocks, based on your experience. Ahh and keep updating us about your custom parts, would be great to buy some of them. 👍👍

[@jebrc]

vitavon is some nice stuff but way out of my price range hell id be happy to have any aluminum diff housing lol

[@KUDRARACING]

Honestly the EXB housing is great! Its just.the diffs that are a bit frustrating lol

[@TheDesmonaut]

I’m grateful you tried to inform us, but I sincerely couldn’t follow what you were attempting to tell us. I rebuild my diff all the time so I know these parts well. I think you need to take moment and think about what you want us to get from your experience because I have little clue. “This part here doesn’t work with this part here” isn’t good content. Hope this helps you in future videos

[@KUDRARACING]

Thanks for the feed back man - just out here having fun and trying to help

[@RcSpeedFreak-kk8wj]

Why not just put the exb diff in the vitavon housing? That would work fine plus you get the bigger diff

[@KUDRARACING]

Because Vitavon sent the wrong 10tooth... They have different gears then exb and I had also ground down the 10 10 tooth I had. Just trying to get this back together with what I had lol

[@RcSpeedFreak-kk8wj]

Oh I understand now sorry just didn’t make much sense before. Nice work bench too.

[@RcSpeedFreak-kk8wj]

What is the point of this why didn’t you just replace the outdrive on the arrma diff with an m2c one?

[@KUDRARACING]

Hopefully this helps people out as these details are often not available when looking for upgrades or mix and matching. Sounds like you already know what’s up 🤙

[@tbremard]

I am like you and struggling to obtain metrics of parts : i am on other models , but often try to buy parts of other car to try to fit in mine, and often i lack technical details, . Like you i had bad experience when ordered a part for a used car and received an upgraded part for the car v2 expanding the diameter of 4mm to 6mm, thus preventing any integration in my v1 car... Frustrating !!!!

[@KUDRARACING]

I hear yah - very frustrating. Having built up available parts it has helped mitigate some of it but I still run in to issues. Maybe the only solution is to live next door to a hobby shop haha

[@williamguillen3]

Is there a final video to this?

[@KUDRARACING]

Yes, got one coming next week

[@Tinkersrc]

What if you have vitavon diff housings only? Will it work with the exb internals?

[@KUDRARACING]

Yes, the EXB internals will work in the Vitavon housing. It only gets a bit confusing when you’re upgrading your diff as well . Just make sure you get the correct 10 tooth gear (the one with the right notches I showed in the video). If you’re just getting the housings, it’s no problem.

[@tubby23]

What about M2C outdrives on the stock EXB setup?

[@KUDRARACING]

The M2C outdrives I have would not work on the EXB differential. They might make a version that does? The EXB outdrive shaft is thicker than the standard 6s ones. But the m2c ones are smaller but stronger from my experience.

[@rcpitboss216.1BoneBBQ]

Could I replace the Arrma out dive cups to M2C??

[@RcSpeedFreak-kk8wj]

Definitely the new outdrives not that different just make sure to get the m2c exb model outdrives if you have the exb

[@KUDRARACING]

Yeah for sure - Just double check, the stock diff out drive thickness is 5mm and EXB diff version is 6mm. Which ever model you have choose accordingly. M2C are the best outdrives I have found yet 🚀

[@rcpitboss216.1BoneBBQ]

Thank you so much 👌🏾😉 and Yeah it's a EXB and seen the correct diff cups size 👍🏾😁

[@davidnieves2202]

Not trying to be a dick but if you know the differences between Arma differentials, it’s a super simple decision. really sounds like you just ordered the wrong one should’ve ordered the 29 mm

[@davidnieves2202]

The 29mm is the actual exb diff the 31 is open

[@KUDRARACING]

I hear yah - tried em both as well as other brands off camera. Same with my Fireteam, (stock and after market). I think I just run the truck really hard... haha

[@magnusstone]

This says it’s a premiere but I just watched the video, weird!

[@KUDRARACING]

Something weird happened with the upload so I had to re upload lol

[@trentgalloway]

No problems ever with the gears .. are you kidding me?

[@KUDRARACING]

🚀

[@macmccartney5760]

It kinda sounded like they were on s money grab

[@fishininjun]

Horizon is the worst shop to buy from... Amain is the leader, i even order from them from canada.

[@KUDRARACING]

I hear that

[@rufusyoungblood9274]

I really appreciate honesty over everything🫡💯🔥

[@KUDRARACING]

Thx bro! More videos coming