Arrow Tuning - Traditional Archery (BST)

[@YoshionoKimochi]

been shooting for a long time, now making my own bows and arrows and coming up with unique designs of mixing wood and pvc together. your videos are proving an invaluable resource. thank you for having them up!

[@John-km2uw]

Thanks GrizzlyJim. I'm learning and I appreciate your teaching style. Excellent clarity.

[@Bowfella]

Honestly the only explanation I've seen for tuning arrows in layman terms that is understandable. Feel like I'm listening to a 2 hour physics lecture whenever I hear anyone else explain it.

[@DIYSportsman]

Great video. I know a couple people that like to finish with a barely weak reading with bare shaft tuning; they assume that once they add the fletching the dynamic spine will stiffen just enough to correct it.

[@lesterdumm6477]

Thank you sir. One of the aspects I was looking for and was having trouble with, you did a great job explaining. That was how to deal with the HIT inserts while cutting the arrow to length. You cleared that up very nicely. Thank you. Starting off with Hannah is a great idea.

[@richmerlo2769]

Thank you for your tuning tips , Great video and information ! I just received my first custom bow from a bowyer, Northern Mist Longbows , Steve Turay , and I can't wait to get her tuned . My bow is a Whisper , a straight limb reverse handle locator grip Hill style bow. Keep making your videos , I love learning anything about traditional archery!

[@tomdaigon8707]

Alex, the bow he is using looks to me like his fav - the Bear Takedown Recurve.

[@jakoblindgren6604]

As it happens, I've just bought my first set of carbon arrows this week but has not tuned them yet. Just in time for the outdoor season. Thank you :)

[@MrKzauner]

Hi finally got my hands on a cottonmouth what a lovely bow it is congratulations you should be very proud of it i have been shooting my Montanna , Jerry Hill and Mike Roberts longbows but no longer as my first choice is now the cottonmouth my bow is an older 62" and i absolutely love it

[@garychynne1377]

I LIKE THIS.

[@nathansmith5331]

Good video. I would second what you said about nock high. No matter what you do sometimes it's hard to correct. Sometimes it comes from putting pressure on the arrow at full draw. I don't worry about bock high as long as my broadheads fly perfect.

[@richardjunker2825]

Great video! I just bare shaft tuned a dozen of mine based on your recommendations. Got them dialed in with just about 1/2" of shaft left before the broad-head and looking forward to taking some deer with it this year.

[@brandonorchard790]

wow, best video by far. Exactly the info i was looking for. Thank you greatly

[@ronaldskidmore5478]

Great video thanks for this one and all the other great videos you have done You have been a big help to me I just starting shooting a recurve yesterday after shooting a compound for years thanks again.

[@mountainmanmilitia3806]

I'm weird when it comes to my tuning. I do it backwards. I'll start a with a stiff arrow at a length that I like and keep adding tip weight until it straightens out. I prefer that method cause it always gives me a really high FOC and almost always an arrow weight of 600+ grains. Sometimes 700-800 grains if I'm using an aluminum shaft or shooting a heavy poundage bow. It's great for hunting out to 25 yards. Blows through animals like butter and leaves substantial blood trails. My current set up on my 58# longbow is an Easton legacy 2219 aluminum shaft cut to 28.5" with a 100gr brass insert and a 300gr tip/broadhead. Arrow weight is running around 815gr at 150fps. Thing hits HARD.

[@crossfitloughborough4589]

great advice, Im going over to Trad so loads to learn

[@robertpendergast2620]

Very nice presentation. TNX

[@innerloc100]

I have personally found that correcting the up / down is a better to first start arrow tuning. I was bare shaft testing and was showing weak spine arrows at 20 yards during the bare shaft tuning. I took 3 arrows and started cutting them down 1/4 inch at a time. after 2 inches I was showing no correction. I increases my nocking point and found that my original arrow lenght was correct! I did not cut the rest of them! a little more tuning with the nocking point yeilded perfet shots with the bare shaft at 20 yards. Bear Super Grizzly 50 lb. Just another option to try....nice video!.

[@jas2819]

Good stuff. Great info; excellent presentation. You're cool. 😎

[@geoffgwyther7269]

After posting the comment below. I made up a few flightless arrows to try.. I only use wooden arrows , that I make myself.. so I cut a nock and put on an 80 grain pile and was truly amazed at how well they flew. At 25 yards. I could not fault them. They flew just great. makes you wonder why we do the fiddly fletching .. Am going to try them at greater distances soon. to see where the fletching start to come into their own.. Never shot a bare shaft, before. expected really erratic results... A real eye opener.

[@pickin4you]

One other tip if your showing a tad weak, but ever so close, you can twist your string and increase or decrease your brace height, I do not remember which, but that will also bring you right in without any more cutting.

[@lesterdumm6477]

One more thing to add. Ken Beck from BW pointed out a very important aspect concerning a good release. He said that if you pull too much the arrow will also tail left (weak) or if you don't pull enough the tail will be right (stiff). He says to carry a bare shaft that will assist in training for consistency in draw length. Hmmm.....this could drive you very crazy during the shortening process.

[@OtterLakeFlutes]

Thanks.. I was wondering what distance range is best for the "nock to the left means weak" determination? The reason I ask is if you backed up far enough the results could presumably reverse since fishtailing goes side to side, even though weak and stiff cause opposite results. Thanks again! Update - I found Easton's guide and noted it recommends 15 to 20 yards (and up to 25 or 30 for "finer tuning") if you want weak to the left and stiff to the right indicators. So it isn't super important (my question, I suppose) since we naturally wouldn't be tuning new shafts as beginners at 70 yards. It takes farther to oscillate/fishtail to the other side than I thought, so that's good. Shafts fishtail slower than I thought, which explains why I can see it happening to a degree, real-time, in flight. The whole shaft fishtailing must be slower than the actual archer's paradox oscillation of the nodes. Perhaps half that speed?

[@jbrooks8885]

How far away from the target should you be while tuning arrows and should the target be head high?

[@williamstewart8449]

Must be my old eyes but your 1/4 inch cuts sure looked like 1/2 inch to me....but it worked out just the same. Love the way you pronounce aluminum.

[@SoerenGraves]

Oh, haven't sene the video to the end. Thanks a very good video

[@paulmullins4676]

Some guys want a longer length arrow if gap shooting to keep the gap smaller. This means a stiffer spine maybe to start with?

[@b4bluey]

Actually I found this to be Perfect !! other than the Background sounds ? Thanks for the Info Fella !!

[@salifmahamane9780]

Does the bullseye need to be shoulder level for this to work? Like, won't you always have nock high if you're shooting at a low target?

[@lucasalmeidaviana2346]

gostei. Eu adoro arcos

[@roninsurvivor4640]

+Darrell Gullet, You should buy a bow square and that should give you a precise nocking point! cheers!

[@Gr8BigGreyBear]

If I'm right hander shooting a horse-bow using a thumb ring release off the knuckle with the arrow on the right side of the bow, would I tune as if I were a regular left handed trad bow shooter?

[@rondumontier1187]

This was a good video. Thanks for that.

[@Aaronb2245]

Very helpful! Thank you

[@SoerenGraves]

A fortage Direct from the back, would have Been helpful. Nock High equals to low Nock point?

[@knifesharpeningnorway]

So as a left handed if i shoot bareshaft with a weak arrow my nock would be to the right? Also have you tried the great plains bows?

[@comfusedWorldpassanger3399]

what distance is the best for shaft tuning? I tried in the attic yesterday at about 10 metres but the more I took off (small cut..) the more to the left it went.. Anyone?

[@MartinRosendahl]

Will paper tuning show something similar, with the nock keyholing left or right?

[@Misplacedfarmboy]

What happens if my draw length is already at 31"? I'm worried about cutting some off.

[@jacobshields6942]

hey boss when you heat the arrow head to losen the glue, will that work if they've used a locktite super glue? I went and bought 6 arrows for $60 and the guy didn't cut then down to size, if I have to I'll but more and just use these ones as practice arrows

[@johnkoster462]

Hi, Jim, what's the distance from the target you'r shooting when tuning?

[@daemonk756890]

What if my arrows go in at all angles? Is it likely to be my release?

[@tw8245]

You got it.

[@PeterNguyen86]

Or the type of target you’re shooting into. Consider bareshaft planing vs this if you don’t have a target that consistently grips the arrow.

[@lucavaler]

How many yards?

[@JamesWPeetll]

Do you do a video on tuning a bow?

[@MerlinArchery]

Not yet... But I will do :)

[@JamesWPeetll]

+MerlinArchery Thanks. You have some great lessons here.

[@mariuszKondraciuk]

Hi . Unfortunately this does not work on the technique of shooting with the thumb.

[@daniel44187]

I cant hear what your saying because of the rock and roll guitar playing at the same time.

[@grammoore3348]

I noticed that you melt the insert glue and then cut. Do you recommend any type of insert glue?

[@cassidyzombie4977]

any hot melt glue should be okay easy to use and fast

[@uriep.6186]

The fletchings help with aerodynamics right? Would that improve the arrow being more straight

[@Gamerdude535]

+urie p. Iirc depending on the size of the feathers they can compensate for some slight misatching

[@anthonybawden7740]

back ground music spoils the content of the video.

[@MerlinArchery]

Thanks for the feedback

[@MutsuKazuma]

I like the background music

[@jamesgerrond4770]

I quit watching

[@curleex3838]

Its like listening to ya mate in a loud bar..! 👂 AYE, YA WHAT 👂😂😂😂

[@alexrinaldi3056]

Hey Jim! What kind of bow are you shooting in this video? Nothing to do with the arrow tuning really but I was just curious! The video was also great! Thank you so much for everything archery that you've taught me!

[@blindarchershaunhenderson3769]

Alternatively you could just buy arrows the correct length for you and correct spine for your bow. If building arrows from scratch you need to know the spine for your bow, and your drawer length, before you even begin, shouldn't that be your first priority before even firing a single error?

[@theamazinggoldfish8713]

SSSSssoooo,........ This will fix the problem with the arrows for my PVC longbow. Interesting

[@AIJ.productions1]

do u have archery lessons

[@leafinitup1]

This was super helpful. Thank you. Does it matter what distance you are from the target when doing this?

[@DamnTrue]

Woops....should have watched the whole video. Question answered in the post-script.

[@Xamimum]

Hello, this is the video I'm watching on this channel. I really like archery and I want to start. Are there any good and cheap bows and arrows to start with? Thank you

[@ironpirate8]

PlutoVideos If I may make a suggestion, I would really recommend the Rolan "Snake" bow for a beginner. I don't know how old you are, but it's a 60 inch bow so would be best for a teen or adult. If you are younger, I think Rolan make other smaller bows. I got mine for about £35, and for that price, it's great! I have several more expensive bows, but I still shoot the snake bow sometimes.

[@Xamimum]

I'm an adult. Thanks mate I'll check it out!

[@dannymcginnis2682]

Does this concept work with compound bows?

[@robsarchery9679]

nice

[@southsaa]

IS THIS A MUSIC VIDEO BECAUCE I CAN'T REAALLY TELL

[@robhumphrey04]

how far from the target should you be while bare shaft tuning?

[@RFVCXR200R]

This video should be called Arrow Chooning. Seriously though good video.

[@DaveDoingDaveThings]

Are you a 'Murrican who pronounces it toooooning ?

[@RFVCXR200R]

+Ragnar “Ragnar” Bostock lol 10 imaginary internet points. 2-ning is also an acceptable answer.

[@DaveDoingDaveThings]

+RFVCXR200R hahaha, 😂😂👍

[@Pmedic605]

Al-you-mini-um? What language is that? In English we pronounce it a-loom-in-um. But seriously, you know your stuff when it comes to archery. I really enjoy your videos. Thanks for the work you do.

[@MerlinArchery]

Pmedic605 Lol Brits and Americans pronounce it different :) I'll stick to Al-you-mini-um if you don't mind :)

[@jakemorris8463]

I think you'll find we spoke english first!

[@Pmedic605]

Yeah, and English too.

[@geoffgwyther7269]

Although different , both are correct spellings.. Just another example of a common language dividing two nations. ( Winston Churchill)

[@grounded7362]

What are your targets made of?

[@andergarmendialopez1324]

I always cutted the shafs of my arrows to one inch more than my anchor, and if I understood your advices, I have to start with the full lendght of the bare shaft, and cut till it hit straight. Is this that I have to do to keep the proper arrows without the worry of the lendght?. Thank you and sorry for my lack lendguage.

[@jakemorris8463]

Hi Jim, I have a 32" draw length and not much shaft spare at full draw. Is attempting to bare shaft a bad idea?

[@SteveOliver13]

+Jake Morris Have you checked draw length with the Easton Draw Length Indicator... Only reason I ask is that seems like a pretty large draw. But instead of attempting to cut arrows down, you could just try a higher spine rating.

[@jakemorris8463]

+Steve Oliver got it sorted. I am roughly 32" though as I have a 6' 2" arm span despite only being 6' tall (some call me the missing link)

[@SteveOliver13]

Jake Morris My God you're a giant haha. What did you end up doing? Cutting down arrows or different spine rated arrows?

[@jakemorris8463]

+Steve Oliver just stuck with 40-45 spined spruce shafts on ELB. seems to work a treat

[@robertward1635]

Jake I'm a 32" draw as well. I would suggest shooting full length shafts and tune your arrows by changing the weight of your field trip. ThreeRiversAchery offers field tip assortment that will have everything from 75 grains to 250 grains. You can weaken the spine of your arrows by going up in weight, and visa versa. I would also suggest a bare shaft tuning kit that ThreeRivers offers too. They sell several different arrows in kits that give you different spines to try before buying a dozen of the wrong spines arrows, because shaft charts aren't always correct. That's all you can really do with a long draw...

[@jackkellett2057]

getting a new set of cedar arrows from you guys, should I bare shaft tune before I fletch them etc to determine proper length or just cut to suit my draw length of 28.5 inches? I'm shooting a 40# recurve with 40-45# spined cedar shafts

[@EarlyMist]

Hi. I'm a lefty. I shoot Hoyt Dorado @ 50lb 30" draw weight. I just bought Easton Trad Gold tip 340 spine under advisement from an archery store. My arrows are flying extremely consistently but are landing left facing. This means the spine is too strong...with field tips. How do I do the opposite of this video i.e Correct a strong spine. I obviously cant lengthen them. If I add broadheads for hunting at a certain weight will this maybe correct it (it was a hunting store and I shoot about 70% target but am getting more into hunting). Otherwise do I just maybe need to get a weaker arrow? thanks for any advice you can offer.

[@six04outdoors8]

add a heavier point. changing the weight at the front or back of the shaft will weaken the spine slightly. If its too strong though, getting new shafts in a weaker spine will be needed. He mentions it at the 10 min mark.

[@dukeitsk9624]

what glue or epoxy were you using for your field points? thanks

[@Seminex222]

Hey Jim! i have a few questions: cutting arrows.....you used saftyglasses.....but no dust mask! the sign clearly says to do so.... does you beard count as a dust mask?? :D also i am right handed - shooting a LH bow.....feeling confused :P see you @ the gathering ;) Team Bear :D

[@MerlinArchery]

Trust you to find fault with one of my videos lol ;) #teamBear But just in case it wasn't clear in the video the process is reversed if shooting a left hand bow left-handed 

[@demidemiow]

Hi Jim! Is it the same for the wood arrows?

[@toxophilus7316]

Some nice 'vintage' looking recurve target bows behind you on the left in the early part of the video. Are they from the 1970's and what make?

[@tzolkosky]

What poundage bow was that Jim?

[@howardhawksley1355]

Jim, slightly off topic but when you are shooting with side of face anchor are you able to see string alignment on the riser or is it out of sight?

[@MerlinArchery]

I don't see the string at all... If my focus shifts from anything other than what I'm trying to hit, it throws the shot off... Hope that helps? :)

[@stevejenkins9984]

Shooting bear and wearing the bear shirt good man!

[@johnvanboolen7820]

Hi Jim, I'm confused. I shoot Trad /and carbons, I can see the logic of the nock left =weak /right = stiff, and lots of fine archers endorse this,( I have an arrow cutter). My confusion is that I see other archers tuning with bare shaft and fletched, i.e. the fletched hit the centre of the target and if the unfletched arrows go the left if they are 'stiff,' and to the right ' weak,' BUT they don't seem to have the nock left or right, they seem to hit the target as straight as the fletched arrows but just to the left or right ?? Hope that makes sense. Always enjoyed your vids, hope you're well. John vb

[@holmerz]

Hi Jim Do you tune every individual arrow of a batch when tuning carbon arrows? I know it depends on the deviation of the spine, but that would be quite narrow for carbon, right? What I'm aiming at here, is that it's easier to tune carbon arrows compared to wooden arrows that are offered in spine ranges of 5 pounds! Great videos btw

[@mattedwards4533]

You should mention that bare shaft tuning is for experienced archers only. If a person hasn't developed a consistent form there is no way he can have any success bare shafting an arrow?

[@kiwisdad1]

Inspired by you (shooting 600's out of a 45#) I was able to tune up a nice set of 500's to fly quite well out of my 55# at very nice length for me. Every chart I look at says I should be shoot'n 400's. (yes, I know my draw length, point weight, etc...) So, this leaves me with the impression that if you have a good release spine charts don't mean 'diddly'. Any thoughts?

[@autumnpendergast9151]

I can't hear you!

[@tomdaigon8707]

Hey....whatever happened to your classic opening line....HELLO INTERNET...Its a part of your "public persona" now ; )

[@ericsmith1508]

correct me if i'm wrong but I am assuming that: If you are reasonably sure that your shafts are all consistent in spine weight, that you may tune just one and then whatever you have done to that one....you then just go ahead and do that to all the others, and they should be tuned relatively the same as the first one, right? or do you have to tune each one individually even if they are all the same make and model from the same manufacturer?

[@MerlinArchery]

That's right Edward, all you need do is to tune the one and cut the rest to length :)

[@darrellgullett1320]

I am fighting a crazy ramping issue or crazy nock high when I leave its not a little high its crazy high. So to my questions, may I ask what your nock height is for your bow I have the same one. I know things will be different from person to person but I am looking for data. O and yes I spent 2 days moving the nock from a starting point of a 1/4 off center and then up an 1/8 and 1/8, 1/8. I am not looking for 100% level but man you should see how crazy high this is. So any thoughts would be helpful.

[@Trickydickysticky]

Yes, play with your nock height incrementally thats how you solve it.

[@Trickydickysticky]

Dont spend money on an arrow cutter. Buy a $10 pipe cutter witg diamond blades, works great. Your welcome.

[@steveparry921]

Never mind all this shafting nonsense, look at that mega awesome patch in the background!! BBB brother \m/ 0_0 \m/

[@scottboydmusic]

Hey Jim, quick question! With this method you cut the arrow shaft down.. do you need to take into consideration an archers draw length? Eg. I cut all my arrows to 29" based on my draw length only.

[@sorenjensen8867]

Your intro sounds a lot like it belongs on the Ren & Stimpy show 🤔

[@geoffgwyther7269]

Jim, something jumps out at me straight away.... How do you know that the left pointing arrow is due to shaft length. The target you are shooting into is not a homogeneous. mass. it is made up of horizontal layers of probably foam. When the the pile hits the target, it looks like it could easily slew left or right. It doesn`t penetrate that far, to stabilise . I would never trust such a material to give an accurate reading. It looks like it is just flopping about in there. Looks like turning the target 90 degrees would help. but any layered base would be suspect. Just looks dodgy for testing. Apart from a pristine block of hard foam. can`t think what you could use.. Just my 2 penneth.

[@gavinharbath2553]

I'm not a experienced archer but I do know even the smallest amounts of carbon dust over time can cause cancer and other problems so please always wear a mask when cutting your arrows

[@gabrielmercado5377]

I miss grizzly jim

[@baliocelot2537]

I use any arrows I can find. Combat purposes get what I mean...

[@thepict1010]

Hi, good vid, but backing music too loud, can hardly hear you speaking. 😮

[@imperia2006]

Next time, no music in background

[@DarxusC]

Canting my bow made a bow that needed a 500 spine look like it needed a *1,000* spine. Don't be like me, don't cant while tuning.

[@harmoniousembodiment7203]

Why the distracting noise? Just talking is great and clearer.

[@rodrodriguez460]

uh....the music background is annoying...........oh, well.....

[@jamesloveday5442]

First yay

[@MerlinArchery]

James Loveday Awsome! No prize though ;)

[@niallguiver2861]

Speak up Jim, a rock band is playing near the microphone.

[@kiwiredbeard7632]

Bro if the music is too loud for anyone they need to turn up their hearing aid ....

[@patricksmith6776]

It's pronounced (ah-loom-i-num). America revised the English language, WE'LL tell y'all how it's said... Just JK's guys, just JK's.

[@johnbuckley8235]

The music overlay sucks.