Art Degrees That Are ACTUALLY Worth It?

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Shane Hummus

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In this video we will be talking about art degrees and art majors that will give you a decent chance to land your dream art career job!
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Art degrees and art majors get a bad wrap when it comes to actually being able to get a job from the skills you learn in art school. Many art graduates go unemployed or end up getting a job in a completely unrelated field. And its true, most of the time getting an art degree isn't going to be worth it from a personal finance perspective.
However, as with any rule, there are exceptions and in this video i'll be talking about some of them.
These videos are for entertainment purposes only and they are just Shane's opinion based off of his own life experience and the research that he's done. Shane is not an attorney, CPA, insurance, or financial advisor and the information presented shall not be construed as tax, legal, insurance, safety or financial advice. If stocks or companies are mentioned, Shane might have an ownership interest in them. Affiliate links may be present, the offers and numbers presented may change over time so please make sure to confirm that the offer is still valid. Some offers mentioned may no longer be available or they have been changed. Please don't make buying or selling decisions based on Shane's videos. If you need such advice, please contact the qualified legal or financial professionals, don't just trust the opinion of a stranger on the internet and always make sure to do your own research and enjoy this family friendly content.
Sources and further readings for jobs and college degrees:
bls.gov(bureau of labor statistics)
nces.ed.gov(national center for educational statistics)
payscale(provides information on jobs and degrees)

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@ShaneHummus
@ShaneHummus 4 жыл бұрын
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@dontbescared4789
@dontbescared4789 4 жыл бұрын
No Art degree.. just love the video lol
@ShaneHummus
@ShaneHummus 4 жыл бұрын
Haha thanks
@harrynicholson7740
@harrynicholson7740 4 жыл бұрын
Shane I don’t know if you are aware that you have a lump under your Adam’s apple. Please please get this looked at by a doctor as it could be cancer
@jameswilliam5247
@jameswilliam5247 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much bro
@stephanielv3880
@stephanielv3880 4 жыл бұрын
One thing i want to say to you Shane is thank you , I've been struggling and deciding that if i want to continue on the arts for a college degree and this video you created really helped me so much and i have so much more of a clear mind and understanding that i can go for a better degree that will help me and get a better finance / payment /money Anyways ill definitely would get the book you recommended and read it Again thank you ✨ Have a great day / night
@diamondlincoln5215
@diamondlincoln5215 4 жыл бұрын
Literally EVERYONE makes people pursuing art feel stupid and like they are worthless and wont do anything in life. But we strive still and when we make it everyone looks up to us and acts like they've always supported us smh
@ShaneHummus
@ShaneHummus 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your input
@eguaborleo1253
@eguaborleo1253 3 жыл бұрын
@@ShaneHummus bruvh😂😂😂
@rosalbamccain2506
@rosalbamccain2506 3 жыл бұрын
I like your comment because that’s exactly how it is. I have a career I hate and want to be a full time artist. But don’t have the guts because I still need more education in the art field.
@NANNO_FEMBOY
@NANNO_FEMBOY 3 жыл бұрын
Yes the two people that made it do do that.
@pranjalb5928
@pranjalb5928 3 жыл бұрын
@@ShaneHummus You're of no use, mate.
@emoney6115
@emoney6115 Жыл бұрын
I personally believe graphic/ web design is one of the best on this list. You can branch to A LOT of different fields. Like marketing, business and UX,UI Design.
@cherryweaver
@cherryweaver Жыл бұрын
Literally just said the same thing. This video is a great example on how to a misleading video without doing your homework.
@00Snek00
@00Snek00 7 ай бұрын
I wont say best, because the other degrees on thie list do the same thing but better...for example industrial designing, it branches out to WAY more, business and marketting is already a part of it and UX/UI design itself is a part of Industrial design
@mikasauchiha6785
@mikasauchiha6785 3 ай бұрын
Good thing that I learned digital art. I'm working in a government institute and my manga project is funded by them and that's why I should include them to my copyright.
@jn4198
@jn4198 4 жыл бұрын
I would say, if you want a graphic design degree, go for an associate degree, you can learn web design, photography, and can learn to do design stuff, you could work as a freelance photographer and web designer, pros of this, you can get an associate degree from a comunity college and save a lot of money.
@ShaneHummus
@ShaneHummus 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your input JN
@joshuavarey7875
@joshuavarey7875 4 жыл бұрын
That's what I'm doing this Autumn
@jn4198
@jn4198 4 жыл бұрын
@@joshuavarey7875 go to comunity college, way cheaper, and also studdy up on on other coding languages, try to learn python, sql, and some C or C#.
@joshuavarey7875
@joshuavarey7875 4 жыл бұрын
@@jn4198 yeah I'll be studying Art and design but focusing more on photography and graphic design since it's 2 days a week the rest of the week I'm thinking of teaching myself HTML and CSS
@jn4198
@jn4198 4 жыл бұрын
@@joshuavarey7875 i would also say, get a minor in buisness, just to open your prospects more.
@joanaslittlestudio7506
@joanaslittlestudio7506 2 жыл бұрын
Starting my senior year for my BFA in Graphic Design after switching majors from Business Marketing and Accounting. I am debt-free due to scholarships, parental help, and working both part-time and full-time (senior year - no scholarships anymore due to me being a half-time student with only 4 classes left for my degree but I saved up my tuition from working and saving). Yes, I understand the stigma against any art-related degree - it's the reason why I originally went to college for something completely different trying to focus on a career for "money" rather than what I actually have some interest in. Yes, you can learn everything online. There's no need for a degree. But here are my experiences being a student getting a degree right now at a University: - Networking Opportunities are top-tier and super beneficial - Internship opportunities (both paid and unpaid) that my University has provided and relayed to us (students) ranging from 2D, 3D, Game Design, etc have been monumental - Great recommendation letters and resources for my resume & CV - My professors have been strict, informative, transparent, and driven in a way to push us (students) to combat the "art & design" stigma - our class is small, it's a program-based degree (you have to submit an application and portfolio and get judged - only 18-23 people are selected every year) My experiences being a student getting a degree right now at a University and working jobs that are already design-related with above min-wage pay for the moment: - Competition is fierce. There are several people out there that can do art, design, and everything in between. There's outsourcing platforms where people will contract for far less and quicker. You're up against people who are already networking and outsourcing in a way that's unimaginable. I am extremely lucky in getting jobs. I've only been rejected from 1 so far - have applied and been accepted into 6 jobs in total and I'm currently working 3 jobs (44) hours at this moment in time. My junior year of college with 5 studio classes I was working 60 hour work weeks. I know the only reason I've been able to work in successful jobs and maintain a good pay is because of my drive for success, my minimal exposure to marketing and the accounting side of things (I am continuing to self-learn marketing and business tips myself on the side rather than minor), and my mom (immigrated to the US with her only education being high school). She has been my driving force and I do not want to disappoint her with an "art" degree and let it go to waste. She is my role model and inspiration. Art has been something I was going to keep as an hobby but I've always seen myself going back to it regardless of what other interest I've had (Psychology and Science - specifically Genetics). - Networking is important. Look, I'm not the most people-person out there, I'm more on the serious and reserved side when it comes down to it and I prefer to work alone or in a really small group - however I wouldn't have gotten one of the jobs I have now if it wasn't for the association with my university and 1 professor. They referenced me to someone and I went through a whole interview process against a few other peers and applicants and I was just luckily chosen out of the many talented people who applied. I am quite content right now working the jobs I have and continuing to explore jobs in fields that are unrelated to Graphic Design even if it's slightly lesser pay because I genuinely just want to explore what other things exist out there and gain experience. I'm not married, I don't have kids. I've worked my butt off to stay debt-free and I have a very hard-working and inspirational mother who has driven me to be better. Design is not even my strongest side, it's illustration. I was on the verge of not even being accepted into the program my University offers because my skillset was below what was expected but yet I had those few pieces of work that made me "unique" or made the judges question the true potential I had once I had more exposure and guidance. I just knew that I kept going back to doing something art related and I guess it just called-out to me that I should just pursue it. I just wanted to put my experience out there. There's hope and a bright light but I don't think it's achievable if it's not for hard-motivated work. I know there's a potential for burnout and tiredness, so I'm currently exploring other hobbies and interests now (another is reading) and seeing what I can do with that (blogging, etc) in the case where I can't handle all the client work and move into something with lesser hours and lesser pay. I know not everyone is like this but I just want everyone to know that there are so many ways in going around getting an art degree, especially post-pandemic, that there's still so much to learn. Art is everywhere. On websites, games, road signs, healthcare banners, advertising, social media, packaging.. I also feel like there's so many niches and careers out there that not many people know exist therefore not many get to learn about that are art-related and get missed out on. Medical illustration, there's art jobs in scientific fields to help create sustainable packaging, etc.. so many. Explore, explore, explore. Do not give up and YES. FEEL INTIMIDATED BY THE STIGMA and use it as a DRIVING force to not give up, to prove people wrong, and to inform. I usually don't comment on videos so I'm sorry if this is long. :)
@josefi2326
@josefi2326 2 жыл бұрын
i relate to this comment so much. i also switched majors from business-marketing to integral design and i can tell you i feel the same way. Ive been having a hard time avoiding regret in my decision though because although i feel more fulfilled, i also feel mediocre and intimidated by the monetary aspect of it. Your advice helps a lot though so thank you !!
@aesthetic4829
@aesthetic4829 Жыл бұрын
Just started going back to school to get my BFA in Graphic Design, switched from computer science for the same reason. I always loved art but just assumed there’s no point or it’s a useless degree and instead tried to pursue something I was decent at in high school but didn’t have much passion for simply cause it paid well. I ended up taking a break after 2 years and while I was on break I found a love for graphic design, vfx and 3d animation.
@sssonotnosh
@sssonotnosh 11 ай бұрын
which unis did you apply to?
@xchinax13
@xchinax13 5 ай бұрын
Hi! We have so much in common especially this line of yours: "I'm not married, I don't have kids. I've worked my butt off to stay debt-free and I have a very hard-working and inspirational mother who has driven me to be better. ". SAME! And right now, I'm deciding, at 30 years old, to get a BA In graphic design & media arts since my employer will help me pay my tuition. I'm still in between doing something more practical like marketing or something business related BUT I know I'll hate it. I just know it. Your comment was from 2 years ago so I'm unsure if you're still active on youtube. Can we connect if so?
@tori8150
@tori8150 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly for art degrees you have to be extremely talented and have the right connections!
@ShaneHummus
@ShaneHummus 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your input
@darkpaw1522
@darkpaw1522 4 жыл бұрын
Yup. Basically they're high risk, low reward. But anything is possible with high connections. And any degree can be made good with connections. But 95% of people who graduate with these degrees don't have connections.
@williamdeng7524
@williamdeng7524 4 жыл бұрын
ah yes... those are 2 things that a lot of people have hahahaha....
@sebastianmichaelis3596
@sebastianmichaelis3596 3 жыл бұрын
Me who hates math and every fucking career that pays good.
@jord19100
@jord19100 3 жыл бұрын
In my country going in the academy is like an obligation if you want to be an artist. So sometimes a degree is good, because in these academies you meet the right people, right set of skills and are basically the best places to learn your art (mostly this applies to actors, painters, directors etc.) not photography tho, it’s too new
@cn5561
@cn5561 4 жыл бұрын
Wow. No intention of going for an art degree, but definitely appreciated your opinions. I really like that despite revealing the troubling data, you made an entire video recommending real and practical advice to these types of people. Massive respect, bro!
@ShaneHummus
@ShaneHummus 4 жыл бұрын
I appreciate that!
@katemcneely556
@katemcneely556 4 жыл бұрын
if you want to study animation look into taking classes from online schools like animation mentor and building a portfolio for your job if you cant go to a brick and mortar college. also if you focus on technical animation (rigging, modeling, etc. you can make upwards of $100,000) in the animation or game industry. its a tough industry but you CAN make money in animation!
@ShaneHummus
@ShaneHummus 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing that Kate
@kateraprohaski
@kateraprohaski Жыл бұрын
This is so true, I'm a senior in high school who is interested in the arts (specifically photography) so I started a small business and have already been getting clients after a month, just trust in yourself and you can achieve anything 😁
@hameezi
@hameezi 4 жыл бұрын
Appreciate you doing this because I'm not really a technical person who's good at engineering, medical, computer or any of that. My interests are in things like English, writing, speaking, communication, talking, marketing, business, design and arts. So people who are a more like me will appreciate this sort of content and more information/depth on this. Thanks!
@ShaneHummus
@ShaneHummus 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
@CarurossTheSecond218
@CarurossTheSecond218 4 жыл бұрын
LaidanGaming go on
@huixinyang5472
@huixinyang5472 4 жыл бұрын
Hi, I am one of the art student. I just pursue to diploma illustration this year. Actually it takes me a lot of time to think whether should I pursue it but I cant imagine I study and pursue for another field. I always come back to it. I really appreciate what you have shared to us. We wont hate you. :}
@ShaneHummus
@ShaneHummus 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@mmioux
@mmioux 4 жыл бұрын
True.Made more money doing tattoos ( getting a certificate and studio experience in less than a year) than with my 3 year bachelors in photography ( don’t do it 😭) Liked as always 😎
@ShaneHummus
@ShaneHummus 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly! Thanks
@honorcure2004
@honorcure2004 Жыл бұрын
As someone who is currently in my third year of an interior design degree, (with two more years to go) I have a few points on the subject that I think might be useful to anyone who is considering it as a career path. First of all, to find success in this industry I firmly believe you need to be a people person. Through my college education I have worked for two interiors companies in sales (I currently work for one multinational company), which have both paid really well but have required a lot of energy and good people skills. Interior design is about selling your personality, not just your designs - remember that! In fact a lot of companies who hire graduate interior designers require two things - experience in interior sales, and the degree. Secondly, to do well in this industry you need to specialise in a specific area - there’s furniture design, (sub genres of that), kitchen design, bathroom, hospitality, corporate, the list goes on and on. You also need to have a reasonably good understanding of maths as there are buildings regulations to adhere to, and have good spacial awareness as you will be using technical 3D modelling software and engineering software like AutoCAD. This kind of degree is not just about picking cute cushions and curtains! Hope this helps someone!
@LuxeBeauty_
@LuxeBeauty_ Жыл бұрын
What’s a good minor or concentration for interior design?
@acreativerock7843
@acreativerock7843 3 жыл бұрын
Is there "I give up on life" degree?
@caitlyncaffey2968
@caitlyncaffey2968 3 жыл бұрын
I think that's just called depression.
@stellagyan6593
@stellagyan6593 2 жыл бұрын
yh 'i give up on trying to find a degree to study' degree.
@rachelbarrido1602
@rachelbarrido1602 7 ай бұрын
Bro I would get a master's in that
@ewi6779
@ewi6779 3 жыл бұрын
My best advice for ppl who want to work as artists (especially in 3D) - find a professional who's already worked the exact job you want to work and is willing to teach you for some money, and squeeze them dry out of everything they know. And ask for a lot of feedback. That's what got me my job that I'm really enjoying:)
@death24314
@death24314 3 жыл бұрын
That's some good advice but I question is how did you get a professional artist to give you the time a day?
@anagalbana
@anagalbana 3 жыл бұрын
I'm looking into going into a design degree.dont worry, college is practically free where I'm from. also I believe an advantage is that most of the arts will never be replaced by technology (unlike accountants, engineers, etc...) great video tho!!
@liob475
@liob475 3 жыл бұрын
Holy shit where do you live
@honorcure2004
@honorcure2004 Жыл бұрын
@@liob475 I live in Ireland and college is almost free here; you have to pay student contribution fees of like 3k a year, and that’s only if you or your family earn above a certain income. If you don’t earn that much as a masters student or if you’d parents don’t earn much then you can get a student grant called SUSI that pays every penny of your students fees
@idab6864
@idab6864 Жыл бұрын
​@@honorcure2004 can Americans go to school in Ireland?
@spritedrink7617
@spritedrink7617 Жыл бұрын
Oh my god??? FOR FREE??? Lucky...
@andreaandrade5738
@andreaandrade5738 4 жыл бұрын
Art could be a good option for those who found purpose in them. And if you are already wealthy lol Anyway great video Shane! ❤
@ShaneHummus
@ShaneHummus 4 жыл бұрын
Very true!
@darkpaw1522
@darkpaw1522 4 жыл бұрын
Yup. Money and Connections can make any degree work.
@angelusvastator1297
@angelusvastator1297 3 жыл бұрын
God wish I was rich so I could do whatever I wanted lol.
@fajilee2405
@fajilee2405 3 жыл бұрын
This video is invaluable😭💜. Tbh art students have to watch this, the fact that you talked about everything that’s really crucial and helpful for those who are drawn to art get a better future career 💜 this video is really worthwhile I highly appreciate your advice so so much thank you 🙏💜💜 This video open my eyes a lot, I didn't like getting advice by I'm unspeakable how brilliant you are💜🙏
@DavDaJa
@DavDaJa 4 жыл бұрын
Great video! I majored in Music Education. You might be surprised to learn that after stipends, starting salary in Houston for me was $60,000. Of course, there wasn't much growth after that (went to business school after that for accounting & finance and it's so much fun!), so I went into private equity. To be a music educator, you do need a degree in music ed. But at least it's decent money and still within art
@ShaneHummus
@ShaneHummus 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching David
@Dedesormeaux
@Dedesormeaux 4 жыл бұрын
I agree with all the above. You did a great job. But you should really talk about UI&UX positions that you can get with graphic design. I think those can make the skills more worth it. I think you don't need a degree for graphic design personally, but a lot of the jobs I apply to ask for one. Freelance is a different story, but I think overtime art degrees won't be too much of a thing anyway. Thank you for such a great video!
@ShaneHummus
@ShaneHummus 4 жыл бұрын
Noted. Cheers!
@nabeelhussainn
@nabeelhussainn 2 жыл бұрын
As a fresher in an Art degree, people have a VERY BAD view of how art degrees work. Theyre not only drawing, or doing graphic design. If you pay attention we have LOADS and LOADS of projects, webinars, and different kinds of exhibits that let us meet artists and important people TO MAKE CONNECTIONS. Just cuz you have an art degree doesnt mean you can get far without connections. Networking is key to succeed in the art world. So the way this video is put together is bad cuz art degree is very important. You see it everywhere around you, literally. The toilet you sit on is art. So my suggestion if you are in the art field like me is to keep making strong network. The bigger and stronger network you have, the more it will benefit you in the long run. Wishing you the biggest LUCK
@nxdiagxrcia
@nxdiagxrcia 4 жыл бұрын
*has to make a disclaimer every few mins not to hurt our feelings* 😭😭🎨😂
@ShaneHummus
@ShaneHummus 4 жыл бұрын
You get it right 😂
@emmaverhoeven-y4e
@emmaverhoeven-y4e 10 ай бұрын
I think the most important thing you learn in art school is networking and learning how to take feedback. It's not about the skills you learn, more about the opportunities you get while you're studying. You get to put your work out there, so people can see it.
@Classdemos
@Classdemos 2 жыл бұрын
As someone who has worked in the industry and taught graphic design at the college level for many years, I can say without question it is about much more than having a “skill” in a particular Adobe program. Learning graphic design takes much more than learning photoshop. You need specialized study in design concepts which you will not get from any book, and will not get it “working with a graphic designer.” Graphic design companies do not take on interns unless there are in their 3rd or 4th year of a degree program. The main reason for this is that most people have the uninformed view that it is just a “fun skill.” Employers don’t have the time to deal with that type of mentality. It’s hard work that requires serious focus and dedication, as with any career path. If you want to get into the Graphic Design field, you should major at a reputable state university. The expensive private art schools are not any better than a 4-year BFA program at a state university. The private art schools are just much more expensive. If you rely on an online course, you will get what you pay for, an illusion that you are more “skilled” than you are. Also, as a side note, based on my experience working with photographers, the same applies to that field as well.
@siaprasad8400
@siaprasad8400 4 жыл бұрын
Shane could you please please please make a video on how to pay taxes(books recommended, do we really need accountants?, How can we manage most of it ourselves) when you first start working and (how not to be taken advantage of and made to pay extra). It's something everyone really needs to learn, would you mind making it your next video? Love your channel❤️
@ShaneHummus
@ShaneHummus 4 жыл бұрын
Hmmm.. I'll see what I could do Simmi. I have to consider videos that are in demand. Maybe in the future. Stay tuned my friend
@jessicayau308
@jessicayau308 3 жыл бұрын
As an instrument tutor, I totally understand what you talked about at the end, on how doing something full time that you are originally very much interested in wears out overtime ...
@Hola-wb5dk
@Hola-wb5dk 2 жыл бұрын
As of now, you are by far the BEST major/career advice out I have come across. Sincerely, Undecided, returning student... who loves to make art.
@jessicayau308
@jessicayau308 3 жыл бұрын
As an instrument tutor, I totally understand what you talked about at the end, on how doing something full time that you are originally very much interested in wears out overtime because you are forced to take on something you don’t wanna do in your job...
@ShaneHummus
@ShaneHummus 3 жыл бұрын
Its sorta like setting your favorite song as your alarm to wake up in the morning, it ruins the song
@infamouscrusader3363
@infamouscrusader3363 4 жыл бұрын
Good video. It must have been painful for people to hear but nonetheless it is what they needed and that is what truly matters for making the best decisions and have realistic expectations. This is actually really good because it sounds like the Arts actually value work and content rather than credentials which it ought to be especially coming from me who wants to publish novels someday. Great job on the content.
@ShaneHummus
@ShaneHummus 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Isaac
@samanthalouisecastro4650
@samanthalouisecastro4650 4 жыл бұрын
Loving the personal finance topics, and the memes, i'm sure this will be full of that lol
@ShaneHummus
@ShaneHummus 4 жыл бұрын
🤣
@VeronicaYdalgo
@VeronicaYdalgo 4 жыл бұрын
You're great. This is THE advice for artist. Sam's plan is actually my current plan.
@ShaneHummus
@ShaneHummus 4 жыл бұрын
Good luck Veronica
@emmanuelfchea
@emmanuelfchea 4 жыл бұрын
“This is going to be painful”😂😂😂. The video is awesome. I love the humor😂😂
@ShaneHummus
@ShaneHummus 4 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@TonyDaExpert
@TonyDaExpert 4 жыл бұрын
as a comp engineer major, who does software in my free time.... man having some graphic designers would be nice... I suck at art... esp for game development
@ShaneHummus
@ShaneHummus 4 жыл бұрын
right
@jord19100
@jord19100 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, exactly why gd is so good right now ! So many tech companies search for good designers because programmers think that they can do design just because they know the adobe software. NOT TRUE. I wanted to be a programmer but I was too bad at math and I was great at art and drawing.
@logicalgoblin454
@logicalgoblin454 3 жыл бұрын
I'm getting my associate degree of computer science and I'm currently learning python next, then java but in my free time, I'm gonna put more time into graphics design/editing.
@josemaqueda8334
@josemaqueda8334 4 жыл бұрын
Let’s hope the next video is humanities degree that are actually worth it No doubt in my mind philosophy will be number one :) especially since bio ethics is becoming a big thing !
@ShaneHummus
@ShaneHummus 4 жыл бұрын
I'll keep that in mind Jose 😁 Stay tuned
@Wewereneveryoung
@Wewereneveryoung 4 жыл бұрын
I second this
@yanusanders7686
@yanusanders7686 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah but who's gonna want to spend money on someone telling them if their programme, that is within the law, is also ethical? Google and apple wouldn't exist if they cared one bit about any ethics
@josemaqueda8334
@josemaqueda8334 4 жыл бұрын
Ya nu Sanders medical ethics ! many hospitals have a chief ethicist
@Wewereneveryoung
@Wewereneveryoung 4 жыл бұрын
@LaidanGaming how old are you?
@emilysonnier1327
@emilysonnier1327 4 жыл бұрын
I’m Currently 2nd year ID major! Agree with what you said I’m minoring in business just to make myself more marketable. I think The key with industrial design if you can’t think of it as your passion you have to think of it as a job if you come in thinking you’re going to be a car designer or shoe designer the odds are very unlikely but if you’re open to design anything such as tiny as wheels for example it’s more realistic! Still would not pay for an expensive art school I choose my public state school and feel that I’m getting an equal education
@ShaneHummus
@ShaneHummus 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this Emily
@MiseryComplaints
@MiseryComplaints 4 жыл бұрын
Great video shane, could you do a humanities degrees tier list/actually worth it video?
@ShaneHummus
@ShaneHummus 4 жыл бұрын
Might make one so stay tuned
@emelymarmolejos9566
@emelymarmolejos9566 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Shane! I wanted to say that I really enjoy your videos, they are so well-informed. And I wish I had videos like these when I was finishing high-school. I'm in my mid-20s, and I'm glad to say I got great scholarships and went to school for free. YAY, debt free! However, right now I'm going back to school to finish my bachelors and become a medical lab technologist. I wanted to make a comment about being an interior designer. The first time, I went to college I studied Architecture and ended up getting a job for custom kitchen interior deigners, in production. And from the years (5+) that I've been working there. I've seen that being an interior designer equals struggling for a job, being over worked, and under paid. In my office, we work with tons of interior deigners and I have seen all of them be JOBLESS. My boss keeps his assistants for a year or a few months and fires them, or they quit. I have seen many interior designers struggling for work, and when they find one, it's usually low paid (considering all the schooling or great experience they could have). They can expect the main designer, their bosses, managers, etc., to just pile them with tons of work; that their bosses don't want to do. (Since, I live in Florida; the bosses are usually playing golf or at the beach with their dogs). While you do mostly all the work, yet it's the bosses, lead designers, that take home mostly all the profit from the job. I warn many people to stay away from this slightly pyramid scheme career. I have seen so many talented interior deigners brake down from the pressure. Being this kind of designers is not easy and takes skills. Also, that I like to mention, area is KEY! if you live in a city, you can expect some success, but living in a suburban or country-like setting makes it too difficult to find a job in this field.
@ShaneHummus
@ShaneHummus 4 жыл бұрын
Great input! Thank you!
@corifalls4970
@corifalls4970 11 ай бұрын
It is always people who are not artists and haven’t pursued an art degree that believe everything can be learned on the internet or by “doing”. First of all, it’s not an entirely helpful sentiment because it doesn’t direct those who want to learn art skills anywhere in particular, and also, as someone who went to art school, I can ALWAYS tell if someone went or not. The level of drastic improvement and professionalism someone gets from going to a reputable art program is leagues and bounds ahead of any KZbin videos or “learning by doing”.
@inkersbrew6370
@inkersbrew6370 Ай бұрын
Yeah, the environment of a college art class is way different in terms of learning. Also, I feel like from the time management aspect, most people will not end up mastering the skill they want in four years from having to work a full-time job. Or, at least get to the professional quality they want out to get clients, and they might not understand other parts of the work they would need to consider. Like wanting to be an illustrator, for example, that person might not understand the graphic design of their brand because they don't understand certain art fundamentals that will hold them back. Like, how are you going to manage kids, dependents, welding, your dog, sleep- *while* learning photography on the side? (Assuming this person is older and not like, 19 lol) Something will give and it will be your hobbies to go first (also sleep, probably LMAO)
@danielkhorami1524
@danielkhorami1524 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this great video, I suppose this is the same about all degrees. For example, I know a guy that has a master's degree in chemistry but he earns less than a photographer with a BA. Your point is no matter what degree you have, your skills and your willing to grow and be top in your career is the most important thing.
@inkersbrew6370
@inkersbrew6370 Ай бұрын
Food for thought, not all schools are equal and the reason most art students don't get work is the area/college they decided didn't have the proper things in place to network/get them work. Oftentimes many better art colleges have internship grants and spots reserved in companies for their college students, or big art companies that are known for stability (like Disney, Nickelodeon, Apple, etc.) Will only hire interns with degrees. A B.F.A in fine arts with no specializations (or maybe something like painting), is wayyy different in the long run than say, technical animation. Unless the school actually advertises they have a good arts program, it's probably not worth it, unless it's arts education. If its something like Graphic Design or photography, you can get an associates degree at community colleges for way cheaper. Other than that I agree with everything he's sayng.
@Epikindinosepikindinos
@Epikindinosepikindinos 3 ай бұрын
As a Visual Artist ivd say that If you do something specific than you can improve, no matter if your studying Fine Arts.. it depends from the person. In any Art Degree you need passion to be producative and creative. For a Job in Arts it was always a challenging sector.
@hameezi
@hameezi 4 жыл бұрын
6:30 You can make a video about this!! "Degrees/skills you don't need to go to college for"
@ShaneHummus
@ShaneHummus 4 жыл бұрын
hmmm 🤔
@vishva_de_zoysa
@vishva_de_zoysa 2 ай бұрын
Number 5: Animation/ 3D Animation Number 4: Fashion Design Number 3: Interior Design Number 2: Graphic Design Number 1: Industrial Design
@heybrooo7718
@heybrooo7718 4 жыл бұрын
If you really want to be sucessful with an art degree, you might need to spend alot of time to network to get the best choices. These are the kinds of degrees where the market is kinda leaning towards to popularity and prestige.
@ShaneHummus
@ShaneHummus 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your input
@maxwellkowal3065
@maxwellkowal3065 3 ай бұрын
When you pay for an art degree, you are paying for personalized training and professional connections. You are given resources for personal professional development (especially useful if you haven't had prior experience with the professional realm of that career). As a composer (which you lumped all music related degrees into one, which is a disservice for that entire spectrum of careers I might add), you get one on one direction from professionals and the know-how about how to navigate rehearsals, set up commissions, etc.
@zweiwing4435
@zweiwing4435 4 жыл бұрын
Most of you video are super useful, to choose right major without feel bad in the end after the graduation. So do not let most of parents let down. To not waste most of lifetime, to not obtain something value in end of university. Super good Video! I wish your channel exist at the beginning of KZbin.
@coolcraker123
@coolcraker123 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly sometimes this dude just makes so much sense. I feel like I'm gonna explode at the idea that not every 17-20 year old isn't hearing this!!!!! I wish it was broadcasted to every 17-20 year old's phone for like a day. The rates of underemployment in 5 years would drop by like a 1000% 😂
@tankthomus
@tankthomus 2 жыл бұрын
I am an 18 year old and my passion is to try and get a job as an animator. But after doing some career research I am pretty positive getting a 4 year college degree isn't a good idea. A 2D animator, on average, is paid the same as a truck driver, and on average a 3D animator about 10,000 dollars more. My current idea is to get a job after high school and do cheap online classes to learn the craft.
@Menachen_Gaming
@Menachen_Gaming 2 жыл бұрын
Hmm so I just want to let everyone know that a fine art degree isn’t useless, if u use it properly, u need one to get into the art world of selling in galleries etc, and if u want to become an art curator or gallery manager, art therapist or art teacher. However if you want to just be a freelance artist then it is pointless. Just abit of clarification on the topic.
@laurencoll7015
@laurencoll7015 Жыл бұрын
I'm currently doing a liberal arts degree. When starting school I wanted to find my passion and told myself I'd do anything even if the pay sucks because i just wanted to be fulfilled in my career. Now that Im working full time and in school I'm tired. starting thinking like i need to make more money and started thinking maybe graphic design wasn't a good idea. Took a marketing class and loved it. Been thinking of switching to marketing but have been on the fence. Your vids definitely helped to knock sense into me and realize this might not be my best option. Thanks! really appreciate the knowledge you provide!
@OLINDRAW
@OLINDRAW Жыл бұрын
I’m in the exact same situation as rn you lol Are you still in this field tho ?
@floridaman_85_58
@floridaman_85_58 4 жыл бұрын
For graphic design you really can get by pretty well by learning online Plus the outsourcing part is slowly becoming a big problem
@ShaneHummus
@ShaneHummus 4 жыл бұрын
Right
@ciobalina7445
@ciobalina7445 3 жыл бұрын
I heard some of these videos on KZbin and read some forums/articles, but I have to say that the message is lost on those that you intend it to go to. In my experience, there are 3 types of people who get art or humanities degrees: those who have no idea what they want to do with their life, but think they need a degree; those who are very passionate about the field and may or may not be talented/have the necessary connections; and those who are just looking to do better than their parents in life, were academically minded, got good grades at school etc. and thought going to college would help them do better in life. In all these cases the people involved actually didn't have much of an alternative. I can guaranty that the choice wasn't between arts/humanities and STEM and I've never understood why so many STEM graduates have this attitude because choosing arts does not really mean rejecting STEM. In 90% of cases these graduates aren't suitable for STEM anyway.
@SaltedMallows
@SaltedMallows Жыл бұрын
Maybe its discouraging to hear some of this but I definitely think you should hear him out in the later half of the video. For instance it is a great idea to get a fallback job that can finance your life and your passion for art while you work your way in. Online courses are great too if you have the self discipline.
@Okayletsg0
@Okayletsg0 7 ай бұрын
I think people should be informed on what their job prospects look like and im glad you provide that information. For example as a bachelor of fine arts student i know that in my country of Australia as of 2020 there is a 3.8% chance of full time employment in the fine arts field. If people are doing this degree to get rich it is the wrong degree for them lol
@onyiturner5345
@onyiturner5345 4 жыл бұрын
Yes! A 23 minute video! I love that! This channel gives me such inspiration as current college student! I'm starting my second year in a week!
@ShaneHummus
@ShaneHummus 4 жыл бұрын
You got this! Good luck
@dianet.5750
@dianet.5750 3 жыл бұрын
A lot of good tips, but even though a degree is not always necessary, a lot of times it helps, or at least helps develop those skill sets you need to set yourself apart. It takes a lot of self-discipline, time, and dedication, and often a little money to DIY completely.
@elizabethrivera9661
@elizabethrivera9661 3 жыл бұрын
As a double major in fashion design and graphic design thank you!
@Nicolee7764
@Nicolee7764 3 жыл бұрын
l studied fashion design, it doesn't have much prospects for job placement unless you're in the right city.
@catherinevalli6830
@catherinevalli6830 2 ай бұрын
i graduated from parsons school of design in the 80s. i was an art director for major magazines and publishing companies for over 20 years. i earned a low six-figure salary (around 128k per year, pretty good money back then). that said, a whopping 33% of students dropped out at the end of the first year, and the number of drop outs grew each term. out of a class of around 200 in my department, i knew of THREE others besides myself who were actually able to earn a living. i met one classmate on the street one day, dressed in a meter-maid outfit ticketing illegally parked cars on 42nd street, and another working retail in the basement of bloomingdale's selling rugs. it was a tough business then, and it's even worse now. DO NOT go to "college" for any sort of art degree. DO NOT think you will turn out to be anything but POOR and reliant on government assistance if you do so. BUT if you insist on entering any type of career in the arts, THE SCHOOL YOU CHOOSE HAS A DIRECT IMPACT ON YOUR FUTURE SUCCESS. that means you DO NOT go to community college, or ANY university - public or private! DO NOT GO ANYWHERE IF YOU CANNOT AFFORD TO PAY THE TUITION - AND DO NOT TAKE OUT STUDENT LOANS! if you don't have the money, you will NEVER be able to pay off the loans. and a side note: YOU MUST TAKE SOME KIND OF FINANCIAL LITERACY COURSE! if your high school does not offer this, then check out books in the library and READ ABOUT HOW TO BUILD WEALTH. IMPORTANT CONSIDERATIONS: there are (maybe) three colleges of art and design IN THE WORLD that turn out actual WORKING designers. they are parsons, the royal college of art in london, and (maybe, but not certain) pratt institute. it's a bit disturbing that the author of this video fails to mention that quality of the education is key. anyway, i can tell you honestly, the majority of students who venture down the rabbit hole of design (ANY type of design) are only setting themselves up for failure and a future of living in poverty. and if you're parents go along with your "dreams" they are probably richer king charles, and won't care if you sink or swim because they have already set you up with a trust fund. don't fail at life. find a career that will generate funds so that you are able to live comfortably, and paint pretty pictures on the weekend. good luck to all of you. i'm not being mean. i'm being honest.
@frenlyneybur7544
@frenlyneybur7544 3 жыл бұрын
Can someone explain how you need connections to get a job? If you have good skill, wouldn't you be a competitive candidate for a job? I just graduated with a laboratory medicine degree and finding a job is so hard because literally anyone can do a laboratory technician job, you just follow the procedures. As a graphic designer, not everyone can do your job 🤔, you're a valuable asset to the company because you bring unique creativity ideas... So why would someone be hired just because they knew someone from the company?
@anamilyn7658
@anamilyn7658 Жыл бұрын
Connections could get you far in specific careers because of internships which can potentially (or greatly) lead you to get the job you desire. People with more experience might want to teach talented individuals that they see have potential. Or older people who’ve been what you’ve been through and you can ask what they could’ve done different to gain success. You might get lucky and land into a high paying job. But I hope that helps haha I’m only a high school senior but I learned about this from my art teacher 💕💕
@CarlosRamirez-dh3qx
@CarlosRamirez-dh3qx 3 жыл бұрын
To be honest i want to major in art because i want to make money off something i like to do, drawing. i’m interested in digital art such as graphic design and animation, my goal is to make my own comic/manga. I’m only in 10th grade so some advice would be helpful
@smokerx6291
@smokerx6291 4 жыл бұрын
The most annoying thing about having a KZbin channel is the fact that it limits expanding your creativity.When a viewer watches a video he likes, he's gonna expect that same video over and over and if it is not the same video they signed up for, they won't watch it. So it's about balancing what you wanna upload and what your viewers want you to upload.
@ShaneHummus
@ShaneHummus 4 жыл бұрын
Good point
@Parsifal1107
@Parsifal1107 3 жыл бұрын
EA, Nintendo, Sony, ect... require you to have a degrees in game design or electronic art
@navi.L0ST
@navi.L0ST Жыл бұрын
Im a university student im planning on pursuing radiation therapy but getting an art minor with a focus on digital media and animation cause ive found with the resources avalable online animation is one of the most annoying things to self teach and probably some ceramic design courses cause im currently working on starting an art based small buisness on the side 😊
@starbite
@starbite 11 ай бұрын
This is so backhanded. Because yes, skill and talent is most important. But you can say that someone with a business major or any other degree can just teach themselves, or “someone from an outside country can do it for cheaper”. But people only say this about art degrees because they don’t see the value or purpose it serves. The paper proves that you know your stuff, that you can commit to something and you take your art more seriously than just a hobby. I believe the school experience will provide more than I can seek out myself. I’m introverted, I live in a small town, I don’t know how to make connections.
@willscorner8423
@willscorner8423 Ай бұрын
Never understood the concept of art degree. Just practice. Look at the art of the old dead great ones, look how they did it. Or just be born. However being an artist isn’t something one can become, it’s what you are. You can’t choose to become an artist, nor can you choose if you are an artist to stop being one. Being good at drawing or painting doesn’t make you automatically an artist. Example music, the people who play their instruments in an orchestra are musicians, but not artists. They just good at playing, that’s it. The artist is the one who creates from within. It’s a way of seeing the world differently, it’s another perception of reality and the most inner pressure to express what’s in you in relation to your perception of reality. No art school can teach you that. You are who you are. Either you’re born as an artist or not. No one can decide to be an artist, no one can make you one. And if you are an artist, no one can take that away from you, no matter if they like your stuff or not.
@polyglotpengyou
@polyglotpengyou 3 жыл бұрын
What do I do if I just finished my degree and I realized everything you just told me, you should make a video About advice to give to people who made the mistake of getting the wrong degree in which you can’t find any jobs
@absopositivelynotacult9638
@absopositivelynotacult9638 2 жыл бұрын
Art associate's degrees are valuable, they give people who have no idea where to start the beginning skills to get started. Not to mention the instructors are a good source for advice and guidance of where to go. I do agree bachelor's art degrees are worthless. Just get an associate's and it will really help you. Using financial aid can even give you a free ride.
@PamBeesly9545
@PamBeesly9545 Жыл бұрын
Then what after an art associates?
@idab6864
@idab6864 Жыл бұрын
​@@PamBeesly9545 an associates is pointless on its own. My community college was laughable. They had ex cops teaching classes. I got the worst education ever. It was a pointless experience. So to seek out the school experience with the resources and networking I want, I'm going for a free bachelor's degree
@proasf9497
@proasf9497 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks! now I know which Art majors are good. But would still not take it as a degree 😂
@ShaneHummus
@ShaneHummus 4 жыл бұрын
Fair enough! 😂
@robertmarks6525
@robertmarks6525 4 жыл бұрын
great video and you reveal the harsh reality of art degrees and the only good job in visual arts is teaching. and I was very upset with my self after spending all that money to do art a level for two years part time and what the teach taught me I could have learned on trial and error. And I was already self taught and certification is just useless to me and I i did this age 24 and I was painting over 8years. while it look good on biography for your exhibitions that is far as it goes and the faster people realize that art is a practice before it becomes a profession the better for all young artist.
@ShaneHummus
@ShaneHummus 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing that Robert. Cheers!
@msg360
@msg360 4 жыл бұрын
wasn't going to subscribe at first , but after 5 videos in I had to ... you make some good points and I agree with them.
@ShaneHummus
@ShaneHummus 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Prince
@xxfisherxxdonut7858
@xxfisherxxdonut7858 Жыл бұрын
Great advice! I never thought about it like this. This really got me thinking
@ElizabethMBoyd
@ElizabethMBoyd 10 ай бұрын
I managed a gallery for a decade and sold about $100,000 worth of art myself personally per year and I hired many people with art degrees and train them and it seemed to actually get in the way of their ability to do the job it seemed that the people that had no degrees were more trainable and could do a better job than the ones that had degrees
@robakagyser2300
@robakagyser2300 3 жыл бұрын
Shane, thank you for the good advice. I really appreciate your straight forward honestly and telling it like it really is here. I feel you have somewhat contributes to steer me to a better decision for my future career path. I enjoy watching your videos. -Rob In Tennessee
@ignotassalna8958
@ignotassalna8958 4 жыл бұрын
Do you mind doing doing college degrees abroad video? And where the best place would be to study certain subjects outside the US? I think the finance side of that would be very interesting.
@ShaneHummus
@ShaneHummus 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the idea! Maybe in the future
@STICKYArt
@STICKYArt 4 жыл бұрын
If you want to make money as an artist the only degree that really pays off in my experiance is a Business degree with minor in art. Also Graphic design is a good one!
@ShaneHummus
@ShaneHummus 4 жыл бұрын
Great feedback, thank you!
@ShaneHummus
@ShaneHummus 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. Cheers!
@ariangatollari3423
@ariangatollari3423 Жыл бұрын
Making good art is one of the hardest things you can do, and convincing others why they should buy it is even harder. Stack that on top of the fact that in order have a good career in Art you need to be skilled and make connections, and in order to make connections you need to have good social skills, and in order to have good social skills you need to be comfortable and spend a lot of time around people, all of which takes a significant amount of time and money. So what's the strategy if you've hit the lottery of coming from a poor anti-social family?
@huangxianwei6515
@huangxianwei6515 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Shane. I love your videos! Do you mind talking about UX/UI design in the coming future?
@ShaneHummus
@ShaneHummus 4 жыл бұрын
I get that request a lot I might consider it. Stay tuned
@Chloe-kq4hh
@Chloe-kq4hh 7 ай бұрын
Hey, I'm currently in high school and just planning for college. My dream career right now is being a creative director for a company/projects I'm passionate about. I'm planning on majoring in finance/accounting because of my math skills and interest in business in general. I'm looking to minor in graphic design because of my passion for art. I could double minor in that and marketing/advertising maybe. One big worry I have is that I lack public speaking and leadership skills. Anyone have any tips or advice for me about going towards this path?
@TopherPotato
@TopherPotato 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Shane, love your content. Could you possibly make a tier list on the Family and Consumer Science (FACS) field? It is a big field that not a lot of people know about that could be something very interesting.
@ShaneHummus
@ShaneHummus 4 жыл бұрын
Hmmm if the demand for that video rises I might consider it
@cutierenesmeegirl
@cutierenesmeegirl 12 күн бұрын
This needs to be redone now that AI is so popular
@claxcz
@claxcz 2 жыл бұрын
if you want to pursue arts go to multimedia arts major, its all in one.
@James-se1rq
@James-se1rq 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Shane I'd love to see you talk about politics related degrees on your channel eg/ political science and international relations. Thanks for the content - you're doing great work.
@ShaneHummus
@ShaneHummus 4 жыл бұрын
Those choices are okay if you got a solid plan
@tienngothuy3540
@tienngothuy3540 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for sharing. Really honest and well-thought research that helps people find a suitable direction if they want to seriously make it as a professional. Thank you.
@3zahra644
@3zahra644 4 жыл бұрын
Idk why i watched full video with concentration even though i have a full plan of studying computer science and going towards cyber security in future😂
@ShaneHummus
@ShaneHummus 4 жыл бұрын
That sounds solid. Cheers!
@Metamorphosis_YTvideos
@Metamorphosis_YTvideos 4 жыл бұрын
Lol , same here 😂
@RayeheShojaei
@RayeheShojaei Ай бұрын
It was so helpful thanks
@KMMOS1
@KMMOS1 4 жыл бұрын
Here's one that may be worth it: an MFA in English with a creative nonfiction emphasis earned part-time after the candidate has earned a BS in computer science, has been promoted to software engineering management, and has learned about the artificial intelligence software putting lots of people out of work. The new MFA graduate can then write books explaining how the new technical economic situation came about, and explain the best job qualifications for getting care-giver positions for new humanoid robots.
@ShaneHummus
@ShaneHummus 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
@Shy_Jelly
@Shy_Jelly 2 жыл бұрын
Hello as a game artist I highly disagree you are much more likely be hired with a good portfolio and a degree you need both plus internship to reach job security so yes a degree is important specifically in game design/art
@aymapereira7946
@aymapereira7946 4 жыл бұрын
I think except Industrial design and Interior design.. Degrees are still required for these field. You still can't be an interior designer by just learning from skillshare. And there are actually other countries where interior designers have good job outlook.
@ShaneHummus
@ShaneHummus 4 жыл бұрын
Good point
@anughadge2713
@anughadge2713 Жыл бұрын
Just wanna sayyy thankyou soo much for this❤️❤️
@davidzhang6990
@davidzhang6990 4 жыл бұрын
Fair arguements. Couldn't agree more.
@ShaneHummus
@ShaneHummus 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching David
@davidgeorgemahl4313
@davidgeorgemahl4313 2 ай бұрын
The only reason you don't like art degrees is because of the student loans. What if you were to study somewhere in Europe like Germany?
@hachi9561
@hachi9561 3 жыл бұрын
I’m shooting for art center college of design and majoring in entertainment design and then I’m going to brainstorm to build a strong portfolio
@dawnstarrlookingelk2895
@dawnstarrlookingelk2895 8 ай бұрын
No mention of art education? If you want to teach art, theatre, music, or dance, (k-12, and college) you need an art degree. My main critique of my art degree is there wasn’t a course on the business of art.
@laurajensen6002
@laurajensen6002 4 жыл бұрын
hi Shane! you’re videos continuously make me happy i chose accounting as my major😂 love your content!
@ShaneHummus
@ShaneHummus 4 жыл бұрын
That's awesome Laura! Thanks
@FuentesStudios
@FuentesStudios Жыл бұрын
Thanks Shane very informative!
@ShaneHummus
@ShaneHummus Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@unjustiful6526
@unjustiful6526 4 жыл бұрын
Have you done a best paying liberal arts degree?
@ShaneHummus
@ShaneHummus 4 жыл бұрын
Working on that. Stay tuned
@sleepycloud7340
@sleepycloud7340 4 жыл бұрын
Is it possible for you to make a video on what kind of job that doesn’t require long work hours but still makes decent amount of money
@ShaneHummus
@ShaneHummus 4 жыл бұрын
Hmmm.. I'll try.. can't promise
@Daouz1
@Daouz1 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly skill share is better for art rather than going to college
@ShaneHummus
@ShaneHummus 4 жыл бұрын
Right
@maryam9769
@maryam9769 4 жыл бұрын
Accurate
@miamimotogroup5371
@miamimotogroup5371 2 жыл бұрын
Companies dont want to teach. A degree is important to let them know you have knowledge in what they maybe looking for. Not all careers you can freelance and learn from people doing it.
@cheysugar
@cheysugar 2 жыл бұрын
THIS WAS SO HELPFUL THANK YOU
@ShaneHummus
@ShaneHummus 2 жыл бұрын
You're so welcome!
@TharaMesseroux1
@TharaMesseroux1 4 жыл бұрын
Why don't you have more views and subscribers!? You're amazing!
@ShaneHummus
@ShaneHummus 4 жыл бұрын
We're getting there.. Thanks
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