Art is Hard. The Deceit, Egotism, and Jealousy of "AI Art" (ft.

[@boblukasik323]

Once i learned that Jazza is his brother, everything made more sense.

[@Guy-cb1oh]

Jazza supports AI art too. Just not as aggressively.

[@Real-HumanBeing]

He’s since distanced himself @@Guy-cb1oh

[@mysticmarbles]

@@Guy-cb1oh But Jazza can make good art without it. He's just being real about how AI can be used. Shad HAS to believe that he is an artist when he uses AI because otherwise he would have to accept that he is just jealous of his brother.

[@inkersbrew6370]

​@Guy-cb1oh Nah, that's not the root of the issue. Jazza WANTS to support Shad because he loves him. Shad wants to use Ai to prove to himself him and Jazza are on an equal level and even better than Jazza.

[@joetheschmoe1066]

​@Guy-cb1oh tbf Jazza also just seems like the kind of person who doesnt want to get involved in drama so he might just not talk about it even if he was against it

[@thomasphillips885]

The awkward conversation between Shad and Jazza at the start was hilarious. Jazza is a great professional artist, whereas Shad might have some skill, he's definitely not at a professional level Speaking as someone without any drawing skill myself haha

[@spookyfirst9514]

Shad was also very defensive and kept talking over his brother. Which is just rude. I don't talk to my younger brother that way. (We're both artists, too.)

[@lady_draguliana784]

the hardest part was that Jazza OBVIOUSLY restrained himself from saying "Dude, you f'n suck at drawing and you're not good at what you think you're good at" b/c that would hurt shadalans feelings (they're related I guess? maybe even brothers?)

[@skibididapadada]

@@lady_draguliana784 They're brothers.

[@lady_draguliana784]

@@skibididapadada thanks! I learned that way later 😅

[@slacknhash]

"Say I'm a great artist or I'm telling Mum!"

[@vm5500]

I am not surprised he doesn’t enjoy drawing you can really feel it in his art

[@CrniWuk]

Which is kinda sad because he clearly has "potential". If he only comitted to it ...

[@iAmNothingness]

But hey it's "professional" LOL

[@Purplesquigglystripe]

He doesn’t enjoy it because he can see he sucks at it

[@lexcelius6921]

Thats the Issue with Treating Art like its a Proffesional thing or Job. Money making is Secondary to doing Art and if you Treat Art like its a Job you will Hate it. Art needs to be Stress Relief or for Fun First and Everything Else Second.

[@CrniWuk]

@@lexcelius6921 Depends on the person, I think. But even as someone who loves doing art I would say, regardless if you treat it as a "job" or not, it should always have a certain level of professionalism, when you're doing something for clients. For some people it is simply easier, if they treat their creative process as "work". Like where they have an office, a work environment and so on. And where they keep work for their clients sepperate from their own home-life. It also makes it much easier to track work-hours, calculating expenses and so on. Keeping a realistic view on how much workload you can manage over a day, week or months. I know that often worked pretty well for me when I used to do graphic design. I kinda was more cative and productive when I had a seperate location where I could only focus on the "work". Everyone is different I guess.

[@therealmaizing5328]

My experience with playing around with AI images is that, the more I make, the less variation I see in them. Over time, they all start to look the same.

[@DunkSouth]

Definitely this. I've been playing around with Stable Diffusion for almost a year now, and while the technology is incredible, the novelty fades. If anything, it's a cool prototyping tool which makes me want to learn art more! 🤗

[@brokencreationlordmegatrol3037]

sooooo true. I have played around with it and the only way you get anything half interesting is drawing the base image myself and seeing what it thinks i drew, as what it also taught me is, 1 most artists and stuff are REALLY un-imaginative with their camera angles and 2 coomers have boring taste >.> (me as a refined cewmer huehue

[@vncntrgr]

What I've told students is that in its current state, generative tools can only be used competently if you already know what you're doing and just want to accelerate iteration.

[@AlexReynard]

Maybe you're not good at prompting. Like, I've been making trading card sets, and a storybook, and just a hell of a lot of other things. Yes, if you make the exact same prompt over and over, it will be limited. If you constantly change it, constantly adapting to what you like and don't like in the results, then it will not look the same over and over.

[@KoeSeer]

same lol. twitter AI anime waifu are basically same face, same body, same proportion, just put them on a different wig hair

[@blackyonbi]

...the sad thing is , look at the weapons Shad draws BY HIMSELF , he obviously knows how to draw them because he had the time to analyze it , study and obsrrve them from an infinite ammount of angles. He would achieve so much more if he just leaned a bit more into figure drawing and the. Use ai to " simply polish some details " . If he doesnt like drawing , then why making ai art to begin with ?

[@kutaoizumi4189]

That's what confuses me about this whole situation too. Clearly the creative process doesn't bring him any joy...so why bother at all with it. Usually people just walk away and spend time with something more worth their time instead or clinging to dear life to it. Is he THAT prideful that he cannot accept he is NOT a good artist? Is he that egocentric?

[@Aedlmonrl]

@@kutaoizumi4189 he's NARCISSISTIC and EGOTISTICAL. He would rather fake it than accept he can't do it, in a twisted way. Which is sad that while I'm here trying to get back into art, he fakes it, lies, pretends he knows what he's doing, and disrespect people who spent years practicing how to do it. So in a TLDR, Shadiversity is a losing, undiverse person who constantly fails to be what he wishes to be, and grifts to "feel" like an artist

[@Batmans_Pet_Goldfish]

@@kutaoizumi4189 because some people want the end result, more than they desire the process of achieving it, so if they find a way to shortcut that process they use it. My question is this: Is that wrong? Tbh I'm not really sure.

[@mudcrab3420]

"If he doesnt like drawing , then why making ai art to begin with ?" Yes... Shad is... odd...

[@rRekko]

@@kutaoizumi4189 maybe, just maybe he likes the end product but not the process? People love books, movies, stories, but lots of people find it boring, hard or annoying to even start at it, but i bet you everyone would love their ideas "coming to life", especially when you don't have to deal with an artist by comission (like i had in the past, never a good experience) who maybe doesn't fully grasp the idea you're going for and they'll get annoyed at you not being to properly explain and will cuss at you and do a piss poor job, then ignore you and still keep whatever you paid them. So AI art frees you from those, especially if you were to have an AI made by training on stock images and then on your own drawing to learn the mathematics of your drawings and replicate them. I'm sorry but AI art is no different from people making money off of covers, dance covers, etc. But i don't see such a big drama over them, this is all just "anti ai panic", just like people hated on vocaloid for it being a synthethized voice singing for people who haven't gone through voice training or don't like their own voice.

[@melinda9188]

I can’t draw for shit, so I could see myself using “AI Art” as a tool to help visualize my characters or scene imagery on my computer screen when I’m writing descriptions (like you said, it’s a glorified Google or Pinterest search lol). But, I would never be deluded enough to claim the images as my own art, and use it for marketing materials and whatnot lol

[@KentuckyObjectivist]

Yep. I use it for character concepts and basic setting designs. Just to help me visualize. I also don't mind authors using it for cover design. It isn't a useless tool, and it shouldn't be totally off-limits. But trying to pass yourself off as an artist for using it is ... not good.

[@Dagaz_art]

You guys are still shit like Shad using that thief-software, 100% part of the problem. Using „aphantasia“ as an excuse, pathetic.

[@conspiracypanda1200]

It's good for that... To a point. I mean, I used it out of curiosity but imo the silhoettes generated aren't up to par. Very "samey". I reckon it's because of the pattern recognition algorithms. You can't get anything unique, but you CAN get an amalgamation that falls in line with the most common poses/features from the AI's scraped image list. It gets pretty boring pretty fast if you're actually looking to be inspired, and that's not even going over all the weird anatomy stuff.

[@ThatBugBehindYou]

Even then better ways to learn art exist, there are programs that are free that give you basic models that will give you a good shape and lighting to work with instead. That way you have to pose the model and you see yourself how you're moving the body to get the pose you wanted, you're setting up lighting and learning how lighting has to be set up to get what you want, and you have a much more open and non specific reference to work off of. These programs are also easy on your computer's resources in most cases and, while paid, there are options to use on your phone if you can only use that. AI art really only gives you an advantage in trying to get ideas for landscape art but even then it's much better to just go through professional photography of landscapes or go out to parks and see/take pics of nature yourself to set up what you want.

[@marocat4749]

Thats howe it should be used. or for shitposting mot comertial pictures or stuff i guess

[@trueblueedits4673]

"My skills are in anatomy" Shad, please... that head is like... way too big no matter how you try to justify it with foreshortening LMAO

[@mateuszjokiel2813]

The thing is, you *can* have ridiculous perspective and foreshortening looking beautiful (just look at some action comics and manga) but you need actual skills for that.

[@trueblueedits4673]

@@mateuszjokiel2813 Fr tho. As an artist myself, it’s so obvious he’s lacking in the skills he claims to have.

[@fluffiedoom]

@@trueblueedits4673 Seems he's lacking in many areas.

[@trueblueedits4673]

@@fluffiedoom Intelligence and empathy being 2 key categories skdfjsdk

[@andrevaughn6980]

@@mateuszjokiel2813no bs you can make her face and body 8:2 ratio and still have it work! It’s about angles and poses!

[@ivancito7790]

As an older and more experienced artist, I encourage all younger artists to not give up on learning. AI art is a fad. It's content creation for egotists who don't enjoy drawing. If you genuienly love drawing, then draw, AI be damned. Let nothing get between you and your passions, in the end, that passion and love for art that you have, for the creative process, will shine through, and that will open more doors for you than you may have otherwise thought. AI is a neat little machine for making pretty pictures, but what AI is not, and will never be, is creative. And something non-creatives will never understand, is how developing your creative expression by painting, drawing, writing, etc.. actually builds that creative muscle, and fosters a much more vivid imagination. It's the sole reason why AI can never replace human artists. The process of learning art, makes you a better creative individual.

[@dragonguard666]

Careful. You might get a 5hr+ 'response' video. And yes, Shad acts like he is never wrong, even when responding to various experts.

[@Bellylover2]

Not to mention (either due to his own ignorance or intentional sophistry) will mispresent the criticism towards him and/or his opinions and act like it's a slam dunk.

[@AnthonyAckme321]

Shads, arrogant reimagining of katanas aside he is basically a reasonable human, considering Australia.🍀

[@davidcauley9400]

Look up "Right Man Syndrome". It's Shad.

[@pauloazuela8488]

@@AnthonyAckme321 The moment he added the cross guard Katana he think it's way better but in all generality it's just a different sword that round hand guard in Katana is useful for Iajutsu(or the martial of sheating and unsheating the sword quickly to counter your opponent. Removing that changes the sword entirely

[@Batmans_Pet_Goldfish]

@@pauloazuela8488 that's if we're operating within the framework of the specific martial art. What happens when people using different martial arts in combat against one another though? Even if it's easier to unsheathe, would the sword itself be able to withstand using that counter on various weapons, assuming that countering certain strikes would even be appropriate. I think the point Shad is trying to make is that in a lot of situations, across a wide range of martial arts, a crossguard will be really useful for blocking a strike. Would it necessarily be better than countering? I don't know, that's a debate to had. I think rigorous experimentation in mock battles would be a good way to find out, and I would love it if Shad did a video on that, regardless of the results.

[@SnakeWasRight]

AI is a really cool toy. But that's it. We need to keep up the stigma and shunning of anyone claiming the AI output or making money off it. It should be seen as distasteful as actual theft, which it is.

[@bananian]

Who's actually dumb enough to pay for AI art?

[@gaz0428]

More people need to listen to Jake's advice. "Sucking at something is the first step to being sorta good at something." I'd say I don't have a problem with people using ai if they are not plaing on selling it. But it's really cheating your self out of learning something cool. I never thought I could write, but I wanted to make fan-fic (for myself and no one else) but I have gotten a little better and I'm writing my own stories as a result.

[@NaoyaYami]

My immediate thought back when AI-art started getting popular was "what a cool thing it is for tabletop RPG enjoyers"! I always thought of it just as a tool to add some flare to homebrew stuff and be it in somewhat consistent style. Then there are video game mods that replace character portrais (if not all textures) with AI-recreated ones at higher resolution so it's easier on our modern eyes. But of course, charlatans like Shad (*sighs* he used to be such a cool creator...) can't help but ruin it for everyone. (also r34 content pollution due to ai-generated stuff is unforgivable).

[@gaz0428]

@@NaoyaYami same. I thought ai art was such a cool idea at first. Until I saw how people were using it. People are now just making ai art and trying to sell it or make some kind of clam to it it. It's the same as going on to google and picking some pics that fit your project and being like. Well I looked this shit up, (and it took sooo long) so it's mine now.

[@TheShuuman]

That's how I got better at writing, I had an idea that was more or less nonsense just a Pokemon Trainer and his starter visiting different worlds and the like. Then over time it got a little more focused like keeping the characters in the wrold that they belonged to and then slowly learning how to make characters "characters" rather than archtypes and then learning how to make the character dialogue better. I haven't put out anything official, but I improved massively with my writing because I just had a dumb passion about what I wanted my characters to do and what the kind of stories I wanted to see.

[@unnamedenemy9]

@@NaoyaYami I actually got excited for AI art for that exact reason because I fairly consistently run games for my friends -- how cool would it be to be able to generate a vista or landscape or character portrait between weekly sessions for my players to help visualize things! But then the AI bros wanted to use it to steal from and effectively *erase* actual artists. I just wanted something I could use for my silly little nerd game with my friend because hiring one or more artists to do the same thing would be insane and prohibitively expensive.

[@haitaelpastor976]

"sorta good" = mediocre.

[@burner27]

He's gonna be so mad that a woman is criticizing him

[@hexaldecima6839]

Hahaha 😂😂😂 Let a woman humble the shadman. 😅😅😅

[@RupertTheOctopus]

🧐

[@regis_c]

​@hexaldecima6839 Nahhhh 💀 (Shadman was another, controversial artist)

[@joek600]

not sure about that.......... and i don't mean the criticizing part

[@OINKYSPOINKY]

@@hexaldecima6839 wrong artist brooooooooooo

[@DSRJoker]

Well said! The other day I went down the AI defense rabbit-hole, I wanted to try and understand, maybe I was being unfair, maybe I was missing something? After all I've been an artist all my life, I can't even remember a time before. SPOILER ALERT: To absolutely nobody's surprise, I wasn't mistaken or unfair. There is a deep seeded hate for artist in these communities, doesn't matter what your field of art is, Drawing, Voice Acting, Writing, they hate the artist but love the product. As someone who did commission work years ago, and quit because of how disgusting people are, all I can say is, "the more things change the, more they stay the same." Themes of entitlement, of artists doing this to themselves because they... wanted to get paid for their time. How all these people somehow had the next "big great amazing idea", and if only they could draw, they'd be able to bring it to life, but they can't, and it's those gatekeeping artist who refuse to work for free, or exposure, or pro bono, that are stomping on their dreams! Of course, with what they've created via AI and what Shad created, with no limitations other than his own mind we see the lie to that. Still, they believe they'll be the meek that inherits "art"; from the "big bad mean talented people who won’t do things for free." Classic definition of useful idiot. What will happen is the Corps will steal portfolios and have someone they can't fire do the job of an entire art team. They don’t understand that AI doesn’t have to be better, it just has to be cheaper and scale. They don’t realize how competitive art is, that for every exceptionally skilled artist that gets a job or makes it, 1000 more just as skilled don’t, for one reason or another. They don’t care that this will kill the commission market, why commission art when it’s socially acceptable to use AI art? In fact, why commission art when many of these models can just make you art in the style of any artist you want? These people will gladly sprint to the entropy of art of creation, of originality, of authenticity which is already so rare. But of course, they don’t care, just as long as they feel good in the moment. It doesn’t matter who they steal from, who’s bodily autonomy they violate… Then again should I be surprised? Look at the subject of your video, given his book is it really any shock that consent is a foreign concept?

[@bakawaki]

Hopefully the class-action lawsuits against many of the tech companies pushing this stuff will come to fruition. JonLamArt's been posting a lot of updates to the lawsuit which have been enlightening.

[@nemediv4086]

I work in IT and can absolutely confirm this is the case. People singing praises of AI art basically have only two arguments, "it's cheaper than paying the artist!" and "you don't need to bother with an artist who's being a pain." I once asked a very pro-AI coworker if he realizes that he's basically cheering a slow death to culture (how is AI going to innovate in art? how is it going to create new styles or movements? it's not, without new human input it will just recycle the same garbage forever), and his response was basically "well yes that's all true, but that's the future anyway so what, at least it's convenient." There's something deeply dystopian about all this IMO.

[@darksidegryphon5393]

Well said. Instant gratification trumps all.

[@Stervelar]

I related so hard when you talked about artists posting tutorials and trying to help spread knowledge instead of boast about their skills. As soon as I thought I reached a level I considered I could MAYBE share some useful tips and tutorials, I opened a KZbin channel (it's in Spanish, my mother tongue, since there are way less info compared to english, and I have a thick embarrassing accent XD), and have been uploading 30+ mins tutorials explaining in detail how I do things, how to study or find useful books, rating courses, etc. I want other people to learn, to get better, not to show off my stuff. Idk where the hell did they got the idea that art community is some kind of illuminati bullshit reserved for the few "gifted".

[@Irobert1115HD]

why do i have the feeling that shad is insecure about his skills and because of that leaning so agressively into AI art....

[@Dagaz_art]

ai prompters are psychopaths.

[@1234_Flux]

I wonder what else he's insecure about 🙄

[@Dragonspeak30]

Considering who his brother is, I'm not surprised.

[@MasterIceyy]

Shad is a combination of a massive ego, which has been spurned on by his audience, coupled with massive insecurity about any of his abilities.

[@AbbieAj1]

I really liked Shad videos about medieval weapons and architecture, but as an artist this crossed the line... It's sad that he sees us and himself as nothing more than data points to be fed to the machine...

[@danieltilson4053]

I struggle with confidence in my art. I rarely post it anywhere as a result. The AI "art" surge really set me back, because of people like Shad. Not because it's better than mine, or even good, but because it feels like wasted effort when someone can get a halfway decent image at the push of a button.

[@audreyluan5325]

Don't give up on making art. Either way, your improving your own skills, rather than relying too much on an advanced tool.

[@costelinha1867]

"Most artists don't constantly post about how it takes A LOT OF SKILL..." In fact, as an artist, I'm constantly insecure about my pixel art, even though part of me knows that it mostly looks genuinely good, at least for a beginner.

[@hoi-polloi1863]

Isn't that the exact point of this video we're watching? This video may as well be titled "Shad you're not an artist because that takes skill" Edit: That said, what Shad is doing is more like data mining or SEO than new art creation.

[@discodog4582]

hey man ive been doing pixel art on and off for years, and i hope you try your best to remember that pixel art can be a really, really hard style to master, so remember to not be too hard on yourself with the skill level you’re at now. im sure you’re doing great right now, and you’ll get even better with practice, so please don’t let the self doubt get to you :)

[@1-800-PlsAdoptMe]

As someone who does rough sketches of OCs Whenever I post abt art I’m like “Look at this thing I drew :3 I’m very proud of it”

[@costelinha1867]

@@discodog4582 I'm sorry for taking almost a year to reply to you, but thanks, my friend. And yeah, my pixel art is pretty decent in my opinion, I'm not claiming to be an expert or anything, but I feel like I'm good enough to the point where I'm genuinely planning to start taking comissions now. But this is precisely why this Generative AI bullshit and people like Shad makes me so angry, they play with people's dreams, doubts and insecurities, they sell a false promise of becomming a artist and make a masterpiece without actually putting in the work to become an artist and produce a masterpiece. It's evil, it's straight up evil.

[@EldritchBoi]

as a young artist still studying hard to improve my art, seeing these type of people just make me sick and scared for my future

[@ericfrancisco6615]

Don't be youngster. Just be reassured with the knowledge you have the ability to improve if you keep at it. Keep the passion to create from your own skills you've earned from hard work and practice. 99% of all these AI datascraping hacks will forever stagnate creatively, because they rely too much on this tool as a crutch. If the inevitable happens, and us traditional artists disappear thanks to this deluge of diluted garbage posing as art, they'll realize their outdated datasets are just cannibalizing off each other, and have no actual creative resources to pilfer.

[@defaulted9485]

It's fine to be sick and scared but not for prolonged time. Hardship makes strong men and women. Your body is fine for correctly consider narcissistic behaviour a foreign object and should be fought away, same with being scared to make yourself cautious. But arm yourself and breakthrough the curtain. Great artists also face similar difficulties before they are acknowledged. When it was Leonardo's time, it was him considered as bastard child. When it was Van Gogh, he was bullied by a kid with a gun into insanity. When it was Michelangelo, it was unreasonable patrons. Like people who drawn digital since 90s, they were shamed for "using a tool", but look at them now. Consider it a rite of passage, not a one done challenge. We all felt it and we all overcame it, together. Glaze and Nightshade our arts. Watermark them. Then market it like crazy and use the free services to its extent. My drawing is bad but I still put it up for KZbin Timelapse. There will be time where people complaint about AI bullied newbie artists into hiatus creating a generational gap, and then artists that survived will have greater respect for going through it. That context makes their art extra special.

[@ThePinkMan]

AI art also can't be copyrighted, so there's that.

[@Sleepy0173]

Despite what he wrote, he actually cannot ignore "the mob". DeviantRahll made a video response to the "Love Letter to A.i.", and Shad went to his secondary "Knight Watch" channel with a buddy of his so they can shake heads in disapproval and pretend they are dismissing things without a care in the world, but considering the time it took for the 3 hour video to come out and the fact 1400+ posts had selective heart marks from him in like 70% of it, shows he did not just brush it off and went about his day. He's actively keeping an eye on all this backlash, and if he keeps such a close eye it means it does affect him even if he pretends it doesn't. The way he and his supporters on this matter talk is very reminiscent of the way the NFT Crypto bros did last year.

[@DeviantRahll]

He was deleting comments left and right btw. More than a few of my friends told me their comments disappeared, and others told me on Twitter too. Says volumes.

[@Mrhellslayerz]

I've been saying this nearly since this whole AI thing started. AI bros and NFT bros aren't just similar, they're cut from the same cloth. They're the type of person that wants to do great things, but don't want to bother with any of the care or time required to achieve any of that, and blame others for their own failings. TL;DR They're lazy and entitled

[@unnamedenemy9]

Shad has proven himself to be *extremely* petty, egotistical, and insecure in the last couple of years. The man had a multi-hour response to a video that featured him for a grand total of like 3 minutes, and he claimed it was all lies and misrepresentations when all the video did was *accurately sum up Shad's own stated views.* Like, the video wasn't *supportive* of those views, but it portrayed them accurately and Shad ended up confirming that multiple times during said response. It's genuinely pathetic.

[@TorianTammas]

Tiny egos have these problems that they seek appraisal for their "work". Most people grow up and get over that 5 year kid attitude to seek appraisal and learn that others can and will be better then them.

[@OptimisticAudience]

It's fascinating that he is like "I don't want to draw, I just want the end result" when I am someone who loves the creative process, but I'm hypercritical of the finished project. He's like Garth Marenghi in real life "I've written more books than I've read."

[@hiraethart]

Thats really interesting to me. I am more an end result kind of person. I wish I could get back the love of the process that I had when I was younger..

[@kutaoizumi4189]

Same. I definitely enjoy doodling and sketching more and the "exploration" phase of an idea rather than the finished product. In the end I draw more for myself than others, so I don't feel like I need my works to look as polished as possible to convey an idea, after allI know how it's supposed to look.

[@dagan8659]

@@kutaoizumi4189there is true art in that type of artwork too, many masters are considered more for their sketch than finished work, shad is nothing in any form of art, that's the problem, surely as an amateur is fine, but nothing more.

[@Batmans_Pet_Goldfish]

@@dagan8659 aren't the ideas of "amateur" and master" a little too nebulous to be judging people by? I'm by no means saying that his art should be revered as the pinnacle, it's just that your comment kinda comes off as elitist.

[@mangoz808]

"I know artists who use their talents and they're all cowards"

[@babb5876]

The only person I feel bad for is his wife, her face is plastered as the poster child for this grifter egomaniac

[@geekbro6265]

dude goes on on how much he loves his wife in his video also like it was also a special skill, like dude youre supposed to feel like that about your wife, he thinks anything he does is a special skill

[@tadaokou4919]

Let's not kid ourselfs: This is the internet we are talking about. Her face on top of those bodies now serves as fap material for thousends of incels. Great work, Shad...

[@DavidsDead]

@@geekbro6265 In this day and age actually loving your wife/spouse practically is a special skill, considering divorce rates and all that kind of stuff. Or really just even being kind and decent to people is a special skill these days. Especially if what you see online is anything to go by.

[@dagan8659]

she is voluntarily in, what the hell stop trying to make women pass as victims every damn time.

[@Aedlmonrl]

@@dagan8659 yesn't. I dislike saying this but Shad is a Mormon, and within their religion marriage is and has been always a "prerequisite" to be an adult according to their sect. So it could have been a marriage that had love, then lost it. You could have loved someone before, but then and now is different, to draw from experience, some marriages could also come from "I could fix him/her". And those never end well do they

[@markharrison6498]

This guy is my new favourite lolzcow. So much fun to chuckle at without the guilt as he’s a horrible, non self aware person. Edit: didn’t realise he was rage baiting. He’s smarter than I thought. Thanks for the info.

[@spookyfirst9514]

17:58 Perfection is boring. Photography already gives us snapshots frozen in time. All AI is going to do is replicate that with a few more bells and whistles. People aren't visually stupid. I can tell when someone is using AI for their work, and I didn't need a degree or any 'speshul skillz'. Shad can argue all he likes, he's outed himself as a lazy artist and an even lazier writer. In art school people like him were referred to as 'Clip artists', or "Would you like fries with that?" Fast food art is for McDonald's playground minds.

[@stanisawzokiewski3308]

Photography does give us a perfect snapshot of a real thing. But what if you want a perfect snapshot of an unreal thing?

[@spookyfirst9514]

@@stanisawzokiewski3308 I do that myself. No computer necessary.

[@AlbinoAxolotl1993]

​@@stanisawzokiewski3308practical make up/effects.

[@haitaelpastor976]

@@spookyfirst9514 Wow, so high and mighty. Are you that perfect? Let's see. Where can I have a glimpse of your perfection?

[@lautaroalday7225]

@@haitaelpastor976 When did he mention perfection? you are just trying to start a fight.

[@yngvarsskald]

Most inspirational video to help "young" artists don't lose creative sparkle in theirs souls

[@julietofthebriar]

For those that don’t know, Jazza recently unlisted some of his AI videos. Now, Jazza has been dabbling with AI art for many years. He’s basically been on top of every development and most of his videos are still out. He for the most part treats ai as a game or a challenge. Or just dicking around, like when he made ai recreate his avatar over and over like telephone until it became an anime princess. For more recent videos he’s promoted AI as a tool to help artists improve, but with the unlisting of these newer videos it’s likely that he’s changing his mind on it. Jazza tries to be an “Everyone can draw!” Kind of person so it’s not surprising that he was open to it. However, it seems like AI (or Shad) has pushed his limits.

[@ManENames]

He had a uniquely impressive style going on from his old works. Why even switch to AI art? Those were really good pieces.... All he did is programed the AI to make dozens of guesses on what image he wants. Then just edit/clean up the remaining errors. Where's the artistic creativity? How is this a artistic creativity? Also it doesn't help that most AI arts have far too similar quality and style. How can anyone tell who made which AI art?

[@TheVisualDigitalArts]

I had gotten out of drawing because of trying to create a game and life. but Shad’s comments make me want to draw constantly again I guess that’s one upside to it.

[@Ratciclefan]

It's crazy the lengths people will go to defend AI "art" I'm 1000% sure they're the same people that said digital art takes no skill not too long ago

[@lisoak6504]

It requires a lot of skill. Even the best drawing programs won't make you a professional.

[@catchnrelease8528]

Replacing AI with the word "Theft" was everything in this video. LOL

[@Spamhard]

The issue with "its not stealing" thing, is some AI bros have genuinely fooled themselves into claiming it's no different than artists getting 'inspiration' from a piece. Like somehow stealing every piece of work from an artist and pumping out clones of their work is the same as an artist looking, observing and studying from their work.

[@danielbroome5690]

Even if he were in the right, "And you CAN'T STOP ME!" is supervillain language lol

[@lady_draguliana784]

I have frequented sites like DeviantArt since shortly after it's inception I think (y2k, at least). I SWEAR I've seen the "Aggressively AI" art styles (there're only a few of them) for decades from a handful of the most popular digital painters. I fully believe that the data sets have also weighted training images based on popularity (likely a script worked into the scrape algorithm) and thus, recognizably mimics real artists real art, some more than others.

[@JakeTvisterOfficial]

Earlier this month, I removed half my art catalog off Newgrounds, all the while I am typing away at a draft for NaNoWriMo on one screen, drawing comics pages in the double digits to hit deadlines throughout December on the other. I ask sometimes in the back of my head why I did the removal, and yet continue to produce. It's missed in the larger conversation when talking of humility in the field that doing art is irrational to time, unless it's placed in the context of labor, and by seeing it as work, it radically shifts in tone from being seen as a hobby or past time to hint at a possible framework or philosophy at play. This excitement alone can for some add more context to the output, and enjoyment, since it builds onto a narrative. I don't see Shad's narrative as an artist. It'd seem he's of the ilk that uses means to maintain and develop his status for no end but the status. This isn't growth mindset, and it takes resilience and dicipline, not just passion or love for the craft, to hold out through the mundanity of toil, isolation and the weigth of risk involved by striving to become. Yes, there's always the hope of making the process less cumbersome and taxing, though making that desire invites a monkey's paw of convenience onto one's shoulder. With AI, this dialog of humility I think has to be reexamined. The cost and sacrifices are in an upset with this leap of tech introduced to the process, and it ought to be rightfully pointed out these newfound possibilities and the potentials in these tools can and are being mismanaged by bad actors that look at it as cost-cutting, time efficient, and quantity + profit increasing avenues, while also be proponents of for an ethical, regulated use of the application and usage of AI. It's just not there yet conversation wise, and it will take over a decade and more to have it trickle into effect either by policy, norms and customs, curation, gatekeeping, appropriation, reconfiguration and programming, all the while at the present endure the immedate consequences of this Wild West era compounds onto the current issues faced with the internet, and media in general (IP and Copyright especially) Artists who choose to go through this crazy ritual are rightfully voicing not simply by concern, threat, or fear. They're contributing to the incriment of pushing this to the fore, so that what is taken for granted and taken as given in the eEnvironment and media ecology can wake up and realize that the hand, is coming for them. The short sightedness of automating this process, that relies so much on human intuition and experience that people are so willing to take up the crafts and acting as conduits by creating new expressions and works, will see its impact on the landscape, do doubt. But, take solace in that what a machine is not able to do (yet), is to make an independent, conscious decision as to draw a crude doodle that has more soul and proofs packed in to it, flaws and all. It ought not to be deluted to be solely in the present, but view in hindsight of all the filters, good and bad, we have had throughout our history in wheating out tons of forgotten doodles to masterpieces, to let a significant small portion all the way until today stand. AI generated works will still have to answer to this discrimination, too. We're only now discussing how to create those distinctions and rules that forms the basis for the future generations way of processing and decision-making of what is and isn't worth carrying forward. Creativity is a puzzle, not a prompt. Art is imagination, not image processing. Humanity is to strive onward, not a final rendition.

[@Sylentmana]

I’ve used AI art generators to make a visualization of my D&D characters but the idea that this makes me an artist is laughably absurd.

[@ryanratchford2530]

Would love a more spicy Shadow of the Conqueror review from you now that you know more about Shad as a person and give him less of the benifit of the doubt you do in your very generous review. (Rewatch that review of yours a lot btw, it's how I found your channel)

[@DeviantRahll]

Thanks for covering this, especially things I haven't seen others talking about so much. I'm still watching, but great video so far!

[@427skies]

I like that other types of artists are talking about this (writers, musicians, animators, etc.)

[@georgekostaras]

Shad gets worse and worse every time I hear about him

[@blane2472]

*shad holding a sword to his brother's throat*: TELL ME I AM A GREAT ARTIST!

[@陸天篤]

Shad always had a limited understanding of a lot of things he was talking, he masked this by knowing how to talk a lot. He was blacklisted from the HEMA community for good reasons. Also his understanding of history is so eurocentric that to some extent it comes out as racist when he covers weapons that aren't from Europe, calling them inferior and not taking in consideration the different ways they were used. I'm not surprised he is into AI art since he doesn't the historical context behind the process of creating art besides the personal experience and exploration of the mind through the different mediums.

[@outsideiskrrtinsideihurt699]

It’s so awful it’s almost funny. His opinion on a lot of non-european weapons is just: “make it European and it’s automatically better” I don’t know how he’s made it this far. And to some extent I’m kind of annoyed the other sword channels never call him out.

[@EarthWingedDragon]

Oh, the nunchuck incident.

[@outsideiskrrtinsideihurt699]

@@EarthWingedDragon incident? Bruh that was a whole saga

[@peeeetah87]

Wait he's blacklisted from HEMA? Oh man I need to catch up on this ark. Context please?

[@Marleyjr00X]

Never knew he got blacklisted from HEMA. Wtf did he do?

[@LunaticKD1991]

Hopefully someone runs Shad's book through AI that rewrites his book almost word for word with slight alterations and the artwork slightly altered and I hope someone publishes it and cuts into his profits. Shad won't have a problem with it because according to him it's not theft.

[@spookyfirst9514]

He had someone impersonate him and steal content off tiktock four months ago. He reported it and sought help from others in reporting it. (Which he should.) The time may come when he'll have to deal with being hit with a class action over AI use. It's a wacky world out there.

[@burner27]

His book would need to make a profit.

[@DunkSouth]

I watched his video end to end, and it unfortunately comes across like shad is seeking validation as a "real" artist, whatever that means. I like AI art and use it for fun, but shad has taken an overly endpoint-oriented view of art and has forgotten that the joy of the craft is in doing it yourself, not in commissioning a computer to do it for you. 😢

[@NoodleArms2004]

That last sentence explains things perfectly. Shad talking about being good at prompting is basically what you do when you commission an artist.

[@Butt_sects]

If Shad would accept the art as commissioned by a computer and he just liked the results, I think this would all go away. Not all of it of course it’s still a problem but people wouldn’t be riding over being a desperate thief if he instead just came off as “guy who likes Ai art”

[@Dagaz_art]

"I like AI art and use it for fun" stop steal our art, you lazy disgusting worm.

[@geekbro6265]

His video was hilarious it was the definition of cope 😂

[@pinkbunnypeepsyall8251]

that dog is the best, just playing with their ball while us humans agonize over art theft

[@mateuscristianschannelen961]

As someone who's trying to learn to draw (going for art nouveau), and someone who enjoyed Shad's work with history and curiosities of medivel weapons, his current state, simping for AI as if his life was giving meaning by it is despressing. Worse still, his actual drawings are not terrible, he just needed to swallow his pride, and he would be just as good as his brother Jazza.

[@marvalice3455]

Even if he never got as good as jazza, that would be ok!

[@spookyfirst9514]

1:06 He doesn't like writing either. His real issue is impatience.

[@Phoenix3Fighter]

I mean, it a capitalist world where we expect things instantly, all the time, then you cant get mad at him for it. Have you ever binged watched a show before?

[@marvalice3455]

​@@Phoenix3Fighter I can though. Yes, our world encourages it, but we still have a choice

[@S1ipperyJim]

Shad's AI art is a fine example of early 20's Duning-Kruger style

[@andersschmich8600]

It’s funny how in one breath they’ll say AI art is great because it allows anyone to make art, and actually it requires great skill and talent. Which one is it?

[@HandOfVecna1188]

Look I don't know why I enjoy people tearing Shad down so much but I really do.

[@patron8597]

I know why I do. He's a guy who huffs his own farts and generally thinks he's smarter than anyone else. In the past he at least seemed like someone you could have nerdy discussions with but since his ego grew with his channel and the number of followers he attracted he now sees his opinion as law and has an army of yesmen to back him up. It's always fun to see someone speak up and say "no, your stupid opinions are stupid, here's why."

[@ghosttrain42]

@@patron8597 he definitely huffs his own farts lol

[@Count_Gustav]

He turned into grifter in his 2nd channel (Podcast) so I know why.

[@junechevalier]

I used to watch him for the historical accuracies thingy, but stopped watching upon finding him insufferable to watch. He is always kind enough to remind us the viewers that he is better and more professional than mere viewers, as if not one of us has a degree in the field

[@defaulted9485]

Because they are all articulated like a good audiobook. People lambasting Shad puts me into a good healthy sleep with lessons I take to bed. But I heard people reading the book, that thing either woke me from my sleep or send me nightmares. It is as bad as it sounds, on top of the hypocrisy that other people already catch from a mile away.

[@mikedesousa4040]

It’s one thing to create AI art for the fun of it, but it’s quite another to call it one’s own art. …at best, it’s delusional, at worst, it’s lying to one’s self. On unrelated note: I bought some potted tomatoes and potted broccoli and threw them together in my garden. Yea, don’t want to brag, but I’m a farmer now

[@nefariouswatcher]

I ordered a Subway. I was really nitpicky about it, had them counting spinach leaves and everything. It took time and effort on my part telling the guy to add and remove ingredients, so that sandwich was my creation. I'm a chef.

[@Irobert1115HD]

@@nefariouswatcher actually ordering a comission or a subway sandwich is the best analogy for AI most AI artists work. you can claim it as your own but only if you do a minimum ammount of the work that goes above the typing of the prompt. like actually making the sketch yourself or using your own work to build your own model. but otherwhise its just a good tool to play around with and explore things or generate a very very quick base line refference.

[@nefariouswatcher]

@@Irobert1115HD I don't know if it's you or me but someone here struggles with understanding sarcasm, I think...

[@Irobert1115HD]

@@nefariouswatcher well i have aspergers so go figure whos the most likely candidate.

[@nefariouswatcher]

@@Irobert1115HD Me too... oh boy, we're in trouble!

[@wakkaseta8351]

Not gonna lie, Shad's old art wouldn't look that out of place in one of those American "How to Draw Manga" books.

[@jbdxiii]

Shad: "I don't enjoy the act of drawing". Well, that explains a lot.

[@hexenmagic]

So…he doesn’t like drawing but wants to reap the benefits of art without putting in the work to git gud? Got it. 👍 Also what is it with these political talking heads and being totally creatively bankrupt? I don’t wanna be rude, but goddamn.

[@zycane]

On a weekly podcast, which Shad is also on nowadays, Friday Night Tights. They had a discussion on the subject with a special guest, Danika(comicbookgirl19), among with others on the panel they briefly talked about Shad's bad AI takes, in their introduction. And no one agreed with Shad, they even pointed out the first ai image made looked better than the newer ones. And Danika on the subject made a very good citation from Frank Herbert's Dune, “Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.” Followed by some other members making a funny jokes, completely shitting on Shad's bad AI takes. He certainly got humbled there but even then I fear his ego won't let him see reason on the AI subject, which is sad because he's made lots of interesting projects in 3d programs and ideas over the years, him going so far into AI generation, just seems pure lunacy. Maybe its inferiority complex against his own brother? Your point against Nerdrotic's post went bit far off base, and not what he stands for. Of course, as you admitted, no real knowledge of the person, assumed he's for AI theft but he's not. He openly shits on AI writing and generations, also points at how hollywood writers likely use ai writing to make the generic crap they do. He's an old comic book shop owner turned culture podcast and video creator, on many topics. His points against George is more on the point that GRRM is probably unlikely to ever finish the books, because season 8 of GoT was the outlier of the actual ending, but its horrible reception threw so hard a wrench in his books that he's stuck. Also that George is his own worst nightmare, when it comes to completing writing books, unless they are small vanity projects. Not to forget, he's a big book fan of both George and Tolkien, and can be seen how he lambasts Amazon for how they destroyed Tolkien's works in their show. In comparison him loving House of the Dragon season 1, even with some of the dumb changes.

[@KirkpattieCake]

I appreciate the clarification on Nerdrotic. Since I'm not familiar, it's hard to tell who is cheering this on with how many people are stealing and happy about it. thank you!

[@geekbro6265]

they definitely went soft on him regarding that subject tho, im a fan of FNT but they do tend to cover for their own, look up joe rogan brendan schaub, where joe calls out his friend on not being a good fighter, thats how they should have a talk with him, instead im sure theyre going to promote his AI "art" book instead.

[@paltrax]

Nerdrotic is horrible for other reasons

[@johnyewtube2286]

@paltrax Yeah his videos are repetitive.

[@paltrax]

@@johnyewtube2286 definitely what I ment not all the dog whistles

[@SugarThyme]

I will bring it up here: if you don't care about owning anything, AI is fine. Have a D&D character you want a quick piece of art for? Sure. No one cares about that. But if you're publishing a book cover? And you use AI? You don't own that art and you're posting it publicly. If your book got big, then you will have opened yourself up for massive lawsuits in the future, because you have no legal rights to that art. It's already the law. You cannot copyright AI art. You can only copyright what you yourself do. And if you post something with no idea where it came from, be prepared to get sued, because "it looks different" isn't actually a defense and doesn't matter. There are four things you generally have to show, and AI arguably fails to meet all four. So I'll continue appreciating my artists and doing my own work and stand back and watch other people throw themselves into legal nightmares. You can't convince people not to bury themselves when they think they see an easy button.

[@lennysmileyface]

If you can't copyright it no one would be able to sue you for it. The only way it would look the same as something else is if you give it a reference of an already existing image. I think the only way you're going to get sued is if they make it illegal to sell images that are generated from a dataset that has copyrighted images. I use some of these generative AIs but I use them for ideas and concept art, I also gave the images to an artist as references for one particular design.

[@SugarThyme]

@@lennysmileyface "If you can't copyright it no one would be able to sue you for it." I think there may be a slight misunderstanding on this part. "You" (general you), making AI art, would not be able to copyright it. The people who originally made the art are the ones that have the rights to it. Because the AI is a machine and generates by essentially copying and pasting, it would be similar to copying and pasting off of Wikipedia and trying to claim you wrote that. Even if you changed the order of things around and such, it wouldn't matter if it looks different, you still wouldn't have the rights and you could still get sued. If you use an AI art generator where all the artists have given permissions and such, this isn't a problem. But the ones I know of are stealing art, which means people using them would be vulnerable to being sued. Now, I don't think that's likely in your case, which is what most people will probably do. And I doubt anyone cares if someone generates an AI piece for personal use or anything like that. But if you're like some of these people and trying to sell art claiming it as your own, you could definitely get in trouble if caught. The main reason it isn't happening more is because it's hard to trace. Individual artists would have to find a random person elsewhere on the internet using pieces of their art. And then that individual artist would have to have the means/will to sue, etc. Most cases would be beyond what the average person would want to deal with even if they're in the right. And, even if they're in the right (which they are legally), there's no saying the judge presiding over the case would understand what it was about. It's always a risk. However, let's say you published a book and sold millions of copies, and it turns out your cover is AI-generated. The artist of that art would be able to go after you for using it without permission because they have the rights to it and you don't. People hoping to "make if big" by relying on AI to copy and paste pieces of art together for them are putting themselves at great risk if they DO somehow make it big. Sort of in the same line as tracing. For example, imagine if Shad was using the art generators to make Disney-like characters to sell. Now that a big company is in the mix, would he get away with it or would he be sued into oblivion for using their art?

[@magikarp2063]

That's not how law works lol You can't be sued retroactively.

[@SugarThyme]

@@magikarp2063 How would it be retroactively?

[@lennysmileyface]

@@SugarThyme It's more complicated than just copy pasting pieces of an image. So trying to find a pattern of pixels that matches any single image is impossible as far as I know. In the training it is given the image with varying degrees of noise applied to it. Then through trial and error it tries to reverse it. In the end the result is compared to the original image to see how close of a guess it got. That is why if you ask the AI to make the Mona Lisa it's not going to give you a 1-to-1 replica since it's just an approximation built from the algorithm for denoising images that it developed during training. If Shad was making original characters in the style of Disney unless they make using generators with copyrighted images in the training set a form of copyright infringement Disney can't do anything. Unfortunately the law has not moved fast enough to even decide what side to settle on but we will see what happens Disney also does not own their style, you can't copyright a style for good reason. I personally would be fine if AI art was automatically regarded as public domain that anyone can use and no one has copyright to. I already treat it as such anyway. I still wouldn't wholesale sell it within a product myself. Calling it your own art is the height of cringe though. It's definitely a grey area at the moment but the technology is very important inherently however I say that within a research capacity and not a commercial one.

[@AlbinoAxolotl1993]

I think if Shad actually took an art course or two (be it Udemy or Proko's) and apply that newfound knowlege to this own art which has a cool 90s/mid 00s charm to it, almost has that comicbook like Wayne Reynolds vibe to it.

[@johnyewtube2286]

What udemy course is good? I only ever used it for programming.

[@AlbinoAxolotl1993]

@@johnyewtube2286 for beginners, I would say The Ultimate Drawing course.

[@CommanderHuggins]

I've been an artist for my entire life. In my oldest memories from early childhood I had a pencil and paper in my hands. I was the kid who had doodles on all his school work and often spent recess drawing. I've filled stacks of sketchbooks and reams of loose paper over the years. And I can't tell you how many times I've hated my own work. Sometimes doing art sucks. Sometimes you spend hours working on a piece, pouring your heart and soul into it, imagining how amazing it'll look when its done. And then it sucks. It doesn't look the way you intended. Even if it's not actually that bad the only thing you can see is the flaws. And it just makes you feel so intensely irritated and inept. And if you're as stubborn as I was as a kid, then you refuse to take advise that might help you improve. You don't want to do the boring things like learn anatomy or perspective. You just want to get to the fun part and can't see how learning the fundamental building blocks can help make art even more satisfying. It kinda feels like that's where Shad and some other AI users are stuck. They're stubborn just like I used to be and can't see how learning the fundamentals can give them a deeper understanding of how and why art works. They don't see all of the little creative decisions that artists make. And they don't understand how those decisions affect the way that a work of art feels. Shad doesn't seem to understand where his own art is lacking. He's conflated self improvement with using a machine that takes his initial sketch and slaps on a coat of someone else's paint. That machine might add detail, lighting, shadow, and texture without him having to learn those techniques himself. But it can't cover up the fact that his initial sketch displays a lack of understanding of the basics. To those who know what they're looking for, the AI layer only makes the flaws more obvious. But Shad and other AI users only seem to see the details in the coat of paint. They can't see the forest for the trees.

[@brandyreads]

Watching this video, it reminds me of the movie The Dark Knight where Harvey Dent says “you either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain”. I have watched Shad off and on for a bit, but never was a frequent subscriber of his, and it’s sad that he feels this way. Oh well it will just be another channel I won’t tune into anymore. I have seen this type of attitude with a few authors recently where I have read multiple books by, and I’ve stopped reading them, because I didn’t like their responses. There are plenty of other authors out there that I can give my time too.

[@CrniWuk]

Honestly this makes me respect his brother even more. He literaly took a passion that his brother loves, that he worked long and hard for to achieve and took some algorithm and craped all over it by saying, look at this the machine did with a little bit of me in photoshop I am just as good as you are! The worst thing a brother could do to be honest. If that was my brother doing it to me I would have clearly and honestly told them that this requires no skill what so ever. The patience his brother has here? Incredible.

[@techwizpc4484]

At the same time this thing with Shad is happening, Pewdiepie started drawing and is doing very well, he is improving fast. Something Shad could have done too.

[@MasterIceyy]

bit late but you made an outstanding point at 29:00 about how the culture wars people always bitch and moan about mainstream stuff but never use their platforms to bring awareness to great indie projects, indie films, indie comics, lesser known writers, or unique books. Robert Kirkman is worth close to 100 million dollars, all because 1 day, Todd Macfarlane got fed up with mainstream comics, and launched image comics, leading to the publication of so many fantastic titles that went mainstream because these stories were finally being platformed instead of being rejected by places like DC and Marvel. We got The Walking Dead, Invincible, Spawn all of which became mainstream. I don't know why these supposed "culture critics" don't spend their time scouring through the literal millions of creations people put on the internet every day to try and elevate them? well obviously that doesn't bring in the kinda money that being a grifter does. Even Scott Macfarlane said he'd have made more money working for DC and Marvel than he has running image comics, but he still felt like it was the right thing to do

[@keYserSOze2008]

Im a graphic designer and the term for someone who takes my designs and reworks them is called an "arworker". They earn less because it involves less skill. Most "ai artists" gave no clue how the industry works, or that pay grads are based on artistic skill. 🙄

[@clover4925]

They dont believe in artistic skill. They want everyone to be on the same level because its, as they put it. "Unfair youre so talented" when thats just their insecurity they dont want to put in the hardwork and deal with constant failure that it takes to truly be good at art

[@someguythatdoesstuff7658]

Man, this hurts. As a hobbyist illustrator, this guy is literally better at me than drawing and has the potential to make great art (and incorporate that into his literature which is a dream hobby of mine). Seeing him waste it all away on this ethically bankrupt slop he's so commited to is a bit heartbreaking.

[@currentofthesnake8486]

I tried out AI in a few areas out of curiosity, for example for world building. And it's quite a pain because you have something like a parrot as an assistant. AI music also produces pretty generic stuff, especially the instruments come out of a can. So I think the only thing that's changing now is that there's a supermarket for art, but those who still want the high-quality version will still go to the delicatessen.

[@meekomar5312]

The amount of cringe in Jazzas eyes in that clip when he gets awkwardly quiet is visible, thats gotta suck to be in that position

[@ruBenes94]

I'm currently learning some Mark Knopfler guitar licks, it's taking me a few hours to get them into my fingers. If someone who's never played guitar picked up a midi-player and played the same thing after 10 minutes I'd never be impressed. I've played guitar for 11 years, and that is why I now am able to learn the licks in a few hours instead of a week or month. It's completely delusional to put the midi and guitar on the same level. This is how I view AI "art", it is at the same level to a programmed midi file, it can be detailed and sound decent, but it fails to capture the artistic expression that comes from knowing an instrument and how to play to the music, the feel and the love that lies hidden within.

[@MSpotatoes]

I feel the same way, I've been playing guitar for a while, and I just know some AI shredder is going to come along, and I won't care. There's nothing to learn or feel from seeing an AI regurgitate music.

[@patron8597]

Seeing how Shad's ego compares to Jazza (his older brother) in this clip and the "This is really hard for me to say" Patreon video is really heartbreaking. Edit: I just realized that he has the time to make whine tldr posts about how he is getting cancelled by Matt Easton, just because he said he doesn't do videos with anymore because of his political views and yet he didn't make one about his own brother starting a patreon in order to help promote it. Truly shows how the only person important to Shad is Shad.

[@spookyfirst9514]

@patron8597 I thought Shad was older than Jazza?

[@patron8597]

@@spookyfirst9514 you are right. I mixed their ages up when I looked them up. Must have been the way he acted in that Pax video.

[@costelinha1867]

In fact not only is putting an ai image on photoshop and tweaking it a bit NOT artistic work. THE AI STILL DID 90% OF THE "work" THAT WENT INTO CREATING THAT IMAGE! So even if we accept that Ai art is genuine work, it's still not HIS WORK, it's the AI's work.

[@yuuneeq9494]

Shad honestly believing he is on par with jazza is kind of heartbreaking, no matter who you are in that convo.

[@megahobbit5972]

Well Shads main argument would fall apart the second every artist manages to get their art out of the "program" leaving the program with nothing. So what have you learned? What have you done? Can you make something now?

[@bobhoskins-kl6ue]

If his strength is anatomy I'd hate to see his weaknesses

[@Lordo-kt6fu]

Have you heard of "Nightshade"? You may want to look into it based on how it is related to AI (angers the Ai bros).

[@sholem_bond]

Nightshade is based

[@ZBreezee-nb2rl]

I had to do a double take bc I thought you meant the NES game

[@9553shadow]

@@sholem_bond it should be illegal. It is literally ruining technological advancement because artists want to keep their job on life support.

[@henryhere]

Jazza, the loving person he is, tries to be a good brother by starting his statement with "I love you" only for the person he's talking to, his own brother, to immediately deny it followed by rampantly propping himself up until jazza has to give the "yes" in order to prevent the situation from blowing up

[@rafaelbogdan9307]

Solid points but there's an adorable white pupper with a red ball distracting from them 🥰

[@llamasmeowing2061]

Also... I hope this goes viral. I'm sick of people like Shad claiming to care about the arts when they clearly don't. And some npc goober will think that means I love the slop Hollywood's pushing out. I don't. Comisgate/Iron age is just conservative Hollywood, in their own little insular community on KZbin where everyone that criticizes them is suddenly "stupid" or "woke" instead of "ist" and "phobe". Have you ever seen them celebrate any kind of independent project that gets recognized? Like Helluva boss (maybe there's too many LGBT themes for them to like it tbf) or Lackadaisy? No. They either mock or ignore them or mention them offhand. But they don't care because they aren't for indie anything. They just want money and clout to own their enemies.

[@hexenmagic]

You hit the nail on the head! I get the same impression from these people, considering they only ever kvetch about Hollywood and big budget blockbuster franchises “going woke”, but make little to no effort to look for the art outside of the mold that gives them what they desire. Bit of a rant, sorry. The point is: I agree 💯 😅

[@brokenentertainment327]

Shadiversity is one of the first channels I subscribed to, back when he sat on that cool wooden throne and had all of his favorite books and swords behind him. You can imagine how disappointing this has all become. As someone who made a channel very much based in the Fandom menace/comicsgate sphere, I'm increasingly pushed away by rampant hypocrisy. I always felt the job first was to identify where things went wrong in the mainstream, then do something about it by creating fun entertainment. Unfortunately a lot of what I'm starting to see come out isn't fun, but passionless and increasingly full of politics, just politics from the other side. Shad needs to stop talking about AI and go back to telling me what obscure but awesome medieval weapon a mermaid would use.

[@stanisawzokiewski3308]

Has Shad mocked Helluva boss? It seems to be implied in your comment.

[@leowolftvjoshuadauzat]

One of the most self damming things that shad has ever done was get beaten/bested by his brother at archery. And spent the rest of the video trying to prove that he was better and couldn't do it. Even tried to analyze how his brother won, making excuses like the wind etc. It was funny and painful....like dude your not God! You can suck at things...it's ok....

[@SweatiestDegree]

I almost threw up in my mouth when Shad said his work is at a professional level, god damn I'm an art god and I didn't even know xD

[@sinfall5280]

I struggled a lot with understanding other viewpoints but one day my sister told me "I'm just trying to figure it out. We all are." And ain't that true. People aren't the things they say. Even if they themselves say so.

[@mudcrab3420]

33:04 - "So correct me if I'm wrong..." Okay. You're wrong. Gary has been a LONG standing critic at George RRRRRRRRRR Martin's work ethic in actually sitting down and finishing the Game of Thrones (or whatever it is called - Songs of Ice and Fire? ) book serious that, because of the HBO series, have made him rather famous and successful. Gary argues that since George has actually managed to finish other books in this period then he clearly has the time to write, just no interest in writing/finishing GOT. This is where Gary is coming from. It is not an AI comment, but more a dig at George to suggest that if you actually FINISHED THE NOVEL YOURSELF then maybe fans wouldn't attempt to finish it for you. That is Gary's beef. Personally Gary is my spirit animal but I disagree with him on this issue. (also I have met George RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR Martin twice and respect the fact that George is successful enough to live the geek life and hang out constantly at conventions). There is debate here on the ethics and responsibilities of the 'contract' between the person who writes and their audience. Gary will argue that there is an obligation for the write to finish a series because he/she owes it to their fans. I, personally, will argue that the author has no binding obligation to the fans. To the publishers? Maybe. To the fans? No. George RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR Martin has clearly gotten to the stage where he doesn't need to write to put bread on his table anymore. So if the 'spark' has gone then... should he be forced to keep writing? Sure closure in a novel series can be VERY important to some people. It actually shows that you have been good enough to get your readers completely engaged. But... if your hearts not in it should you still write it. What do people want? A novel where the author just goes through every character in turn, have them meet up with their childhood crush, get married and buy a small farm in the country a brisk walk away from their once mortal enemy because forgiving and forgetting is the way forward, right? Open question. So yeah, this isn't Gary passing comment on AI, this is Gary calling George a lazy prick. He does this a lot.

[@arsonist7013]

Very well put and I look forward to Shad's 6 hour response video to this.

[@spookyfirst9514]

🤣

[@Cardinal_Hordriss]

I use AI a lot. I post fanfic and like to get an image to go with each one. It can be time consuming because I know exactly what I want, I just can't do it myself, so it's not as easy as it sounds in that respect. I decided to make a theme tune to go with it once and that took hours of work and mixing even with AI. It's easy if you're not looking to create a very specific thing you have in your head but otherwise it's a bit like a really difficult sudoku puzzle, fun, rewarding but time consuming. I'm biased because I couldn't do what I do without it. That being said I always tell people I used AI, I don't claim to be an artist and were I an actual paid artist I definitely would not use it.

[@audreyluan5325]

This is a fun way to write fanfictions! I've never personally seen fanfictions with music included, but now I want to read one with music.... 🎶

[@SerMattzio]

I've been a 3D designer (I hesitate to actually use the term "artist") for 3 years now. There are some things I'm pretty good at, other things I'm aware I'm bad at. What strikes me as astonishing is the degree to which Shad overrates all of his work. He talks as if he's an incredible professional illustrator and digital artist who makes Da Vinci look like a bit of an amateur. In reality I have friends who are amateur hobbyist artists who have hand drawn extremely realistic portraits that are more impressive to look at than his work. Yet he has this absurd over inflated sense of his current skills, almost like a David Brent kind of character.

[@dr.sommercamp3435]

And I'm a chef, because I can heat a frozen pizza! I even can adjust how crisp it will be, I have improoved in cooking!😂 EDIT: And in Art it's like in everything: 20% talent and 80% practise!

[@woundedcorn1375]

I watched this video to laugh at Shad but your words towards the end were really incredible and impactful. Excellent work and keep it up!

[@patrickpatrick3935]

its wild that he always says shit like having an artistic vision or having an eye for volume and weight whe he talks about his "artworks". I dont think ive ever seen a real artis show off or brag about being super amazing/talented when talking about their skills, most artists look at their works n thinks its mediocre cus they see where they messed up n where they couldve improved

[@lunarouroboros3681]

I like your political takes... thanks. I'm the same. Not conservative enough... not leftist enough. Your feelings are very similar to mine. I care about truth.. not towing a line. With Shad... as an artist.. I don't understand how he can look at his ai art and think its good. I feel like an alien wanting to run experiments on his brain because I'm so baffled by that thought process. It is painful to see people who aren't artists try to talk like they understand art. Specifically conservatives that never respected art in the first place and somehow know even less than the average normie. It's like a dude who read about stuff on web M.D. suddenly acting like they are smarter and know more about medicine than an actual doctor.... and then acting smug about it.

[@fudgen.a1249]

This is probably one of the few issues where I can find folks on the opposite side of the political spectrum as me be consistently uncomfortable by AI art and it’s utilization. And it a nice change of pace! Regardless, even with everything going on and the increase threat at having my crap stolen, I still want to pursue art (as a hobby) and try to improve it to the best of my abilities! And maybe get back into posting it online.

[@johnyewtube2286]

Posion the wells. I think there is a program that adds invisible pixel data to images to mess with "ai" scrapers. Also the "AI" data set uses the tags on images to train, maybe that can be used to confuse the "AI".

[@Brittscomics]

Real. I’m one of those tiny indie artists and writers.

[@BrokePencil]

I just ran across you, because I've watched Shadiversity before. I like his historical stuff about HEMA and castles. Who is the adorable puppers, playing with the red ball? I've been fiddling with a graphic novel on my bad days (takes my mind off of the pain) and the thought of AI art scraping years of labor is disheartening. I did learn to draw by looking at other people's art, and imitating their styles. The difference, I think is I consumed the art in a traditional manner (I bought the comics, or read the art books). Mostly, I learned from practicing, figuring out the motions my hands need to make and pressures/opacities for line weighting, finding ways to make lighting work with my particular shading, and the uses of the different tools. Now, I don't try to imitate people, I just try to make things look like the things that they're supposed to look like. And, after that lovely sentence... For book reviews, what genres do you review? I have a (admittedly extremely overwritten and error-filled) dark fantasy 1st novel. It's like 25 years ago and was written without a lot of the editing options we have now. Don't review that one. I reeeeeeally wanna rewrite it, but it's like digital art. Sometimes you have to say "it's finished," and move on. I also have a sci-fi novel (kind of a love story, but more about rediscovering humanity in the darkness of war) called Angel in the Black. I did the cover art and actually had an editor, so it's immediately better than the first one. You said you review the first chapter, but this novel is written in first person from the viewpoints of two people (they have their own chapters and personalities so the switches are pretty obvious). To get the first impression of both characters, you'd have to do the first two chapters. Is the one chapter rule, molded in steel, or a bit bendy? I guess more importantly, would you even be interested in a sci-fi war novel that takes place on one really awful moon, and in an equally (if not more) awful dark room on a ship? Also, I still love the puppers (don't let this admission sway your judgement).

[@Nobile-Cavaliere]

What you said about conservatives mocking a formal training in the visual arts hits home for me. I was incredibly surprised to find out how many of my fellow so-called "conservatives" suddenly turn into modernist utilitarians when it comes to the arts. If you're not a coal miner or a doughnut jockey in an office building your job isn't real and you don't deserve to be paid for it. They'll share a picture of a romanticist painting online with some milquetoast statement along the lines of "why don't we make art like this anymore?? :((((" Without realizing that 99% of the people who could paint like that back then were formally trained at an art academy. They think it should be some hobby. I've unironically heard people say that artists shouldn't get paid for their work. I should just get home from my busy day at the coal mine and paint as a hobby. It's this attitude which has fostered the craze with "AI Art." (It's not art) They see no value in art beyond its potential financial benefit. If it isn't bolstering the gdp then they think it's useless. The same type of person that thinks firefighters and emt's should get paid less.

[@sholem_bond]

Unfortunately, that's a big part of how fiscal conservatism as an ideology works; if stuff isn't wildly profitable, then it's not justified, except as a hobby that you shouldn't expect others to "subsidize"/pay for. In this ideology there's no excuse for not "earning" money by doing something (anything) profitable, even if it's unethical. The ends (the profits), and only the ends, justify the means. You're right that this is in apparent contradiction with how many of them favor an aesthetic, traditional, "socially-conservative" view of art, though. It also seems to contradict the capitalist idea that market incentives should be used to change behavior (for example, if you want people to make more aesthetically pleasing, traditional, representational art... Then you should pay them to make it). Tbh this is just one of many self-contradictory aspects of modern conservatism (which was always going to be a little self-contradictory, because it's a broad movement made up of different people who don't always agree with each other - but even given that, it's become very internally inconsistent and hypocritical, IMHO).

[@sholem_bond]

(FWIW, personally, this is a big part of why I support leftist or socially and economically progressive policies. (I want to live in a society where people have a financial cushion to fall back on when they take financial risks like switching careers, starting their own business, going back to school, becoming full-time artists, etc. (I also think the ability of individuals and entities who accumulate massive amounts of wealth to influence our judicial and political systems, and exploit vulnerable people in society, is an existential threat to both democracy and the environment.) Politics is often treated like sports (you root for whatever team your family or town, school, church, etc. roots for, regardless of who's on the team or how they play the game), but it shouldn't be. I see my politics as an extension or result of my personal values and ethics. They're also a result of the material conditions I live under. I'm chronically ill and neurodivergent; it's hard for me to be productive on the level capitalism tends to demand from workers, and employers are less incentivized to hire me versus an abled, neurotypical employee who doesn't require additional resources to accommodate on the job. I would like to live in a society where the excess resources our society produces via industrialization (which currently often get thrown out or wasted), are distributed so that everyone has enough to survive (I don't personally mind income inequality when everyone has at least enough to not die). Instead of our government subsidizing major corporations and the wealthiest people in society through stuff like tax breaks, those subsidizing programs and the wealth they affect should be used for infrastructure, or other programs that will directly benefit most people in their daily lives. As opposed to our current system, in which a few people have more resources than they or their families will ever use or need for survival... while many people live only a few paychecks away from homelessness, and some people die from lack of food or housing (while empty buildings sit unused), or from treatable diseases whose medicine is price-gauged way beyond the cost of production.

[@HellTantrumbull]

I started drawing again earlier this year and seeing that idiot talk and try to justify the way he uses AI is an insult to me especially since I started drawing way back when I was 11 years old. Took me months to catch up to how myself again since I haven't drawn anything in years and even though it was hard I kept at it and I'm happy with the improvements I've been making since I'm actually doing this by hand and enjoy doing it by hand since it helps shows what I want to do which is something AI fails hard at.

[@MSpotatoes]

I used an AI image for a thumbnail and I feel like a hypocrite for doing so, because I hate AI art in principle. I'm a musician and AI is already invading music too. It sucks. I think eventually the internet will be so saturated with AI generated content that a premium will be put on provable human content, services, and interactions. Like live shows.

[@speakersr-lyefaudio6830]

I honestly have decided not to share my art online because of people like shad

[@Red_Devil_2011]

To be fair to Nerdrotic, he is different from Shad. Shad is a narcissist and a hack. I think Nerdrotic simply expects Ai art and scriptwriting as inevitable, not preferable. He also mocks the Hollywood types for their fear of Ai, in terms of "you made your bed now you must lie in it." Whereas he gets passionately defensive of artists whom he does respect. And his GR Martin tweet is a good joke because Martin is a lazy a-hole who neglects his fanbase. (This is my impression, at least).

[@xtradany5398]

I thought this level of delusion only existed in hollywood

[@marvalice3455]

Society manufactures delusion to keep people acting in stupid ways. People who falsely believe they are high status are easy to manipulate

[@necrophage_]

Shad was so cool back in the days, but now you listen to him, you see how smug he became and the only thing you can think is "Oh fuck off man".

[@fudgen.a1249]

Nothing quite like watching another one of my favorite KZbinrs as a teenager turning into a anti-woke nutbag of a man, with the addition of supporting a machine to replace creatives… Damn bro, it hurts.

[@TheSEAempire]

Excellent video, just subscribed. It's extremely disappointing to see Shad fall off so hard and become such a scumbag. Good to see people calling out his gross behavior.

[@1nf0calypse]

I, as an artist, who has sunk hundreds of hours in single pictures, must say: I do not care whether any of my pictures are used to train AI any more than people learning from my pictures how to draw better. It is not copying the work of people using AI. Photoshopping existing pictures together can be though.

[@sizskie]

Just because you don't want to be compensated for the value generated by algorithms trained partially on your work, doesn't mean everyone else should stop wanting to. In a better world, we'd all individually get the chance to negotiate a price on our work being used to make money for people who can't draw and don't really care about the artistic process. In that world, you could give your work to them for free, but everyone should have a choice, because some people do care.

[@TordenFaaret]

i tried so hard to watch his response, and i couldn't take a full hour of this grown man's temper tantrum over someone critiquing his AI program's human-assisted art. dudes literally compared writing a few words and circling some fields in an AI art program to training the fine movements in your wrist and practicing hand-to-eye coordination with an art tablet. i can't😭

[@TordenFaaret]

he encountered a point he didn't think he could argue, and suddenly it was "how many kids you have" "oh yeah, you're a professional artist attacking a father of five" like congrats dude, you successfully orgasmed inside a fertile woman five times and you obviously love them very much if you're willing to use them as shields against criticism. then they continued saying "bad faith argument" over and over as if repeating it would make it true.

[@TuShan18]

Something that stood out to me since last year is that shad hearts comments that are very supportive of him. But rarely (if ever) interacts with negative or critical comments. Even if they are in good faith. His book response video has a ton of hearts for the people saying how much they loved it, but comments trying to talk about problems with his response or his book is going ignored. His ai video, has very little hearted comments. Most of the comments are very critical of him. I think his little echo chamber was breached, and he’s not very happy about it. I say this because I used to love his content in my early college years. Around 2016 was when I started. He seemed polite and understanding towards criticism back then. Even making a couple of videos explaining that he got a few things wrong. What happened to you shad?