Arthars reacts to "Now Everyone Hates FFXIV" by Kougaon

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[@Kougaon]

i hope we can still be friends even if im not a hardcore mmo player :( :(

[@FF-tp7qs]

If you had an evil twin, would he be called Eigaon?

[@Zaikofortem]

Maybe is ppl complain over Endwalker is because the patch content was ACTUALLY fucking predictable and ultimately didn't fulfill the expectations because it made ZERO difference to anything. You can skip the patch content and nothing is missed going into Dawntrail. It was cheap fan service because Endwalker was a lazy expansion focusend on new players and taking for granted the exisiting ones. No field operation, no relic weapon journey, Zenos was basically written out as if he had been #METOO'd behind the scenes and SE had to remove him from the story to avoid bad press. The Endsinger is the most stereotypical anime emo goth girl ever = LAZY as fuck. it is OBVIOUS they were workign on FFXVI and Endwalker was treated as the side project.

[@GO321]

Arthars: "The game made him bald" Genetics: "Am I a joke to you?"

[@kiyu_u6009]

As an asian dude, Arthars gives me hope I won't go bald in a few years.

[@gwenmh]

Honestly FF content creators got this all figured out. In the middle of a 13-month content drought, we now have multiple ytubers who aren’t even playing the game anymore creating a video reacting to the rest of the FF creator community and now Arthars, Xenos, etc., have new content to react to!

[@SlinkyRock]

Well, yeah, when the game is so fundamentally rigid, what else can they do? What can they talk about? I've yet to see these content creators talk about what rewards could be in new content.

[@NotBer]

maybe not base their livelihood on a single video game? @@SlinkyRock

[@SlinkyRock]

@@NotBer Maybe they shouldn't have made an MMORPG then? The ONE genre that actually asks people for absurd amounts of time and money. IMAGINE after 400 hours of MSQ to even say something so stupid. "maybe not base their livelihood on a single video game". DUDE IT TAKES HUNDREDS OF HOURS TO GET TO THE MULTIPLAYER PART OF THE GAME. Oh my lord dude. The standards of gamers man.

[@puppetstudio4989]

Omg what fucking content drought, the fact you are missing one full scale instance is a content drought

[@NotBer]

@@SlinkyRock content is finite. eventually, if you play the game long enough (like an FFXIV streamer who has been playing 40 hours/week for almost a decade), you will run out of stuff to do, that's just how it is.

[@SoraInTheSkies]

Honestly, the main reason I grew bored is that jobs aren't fun to play which makes any battle content unfun to play as a result. The simplification on most jobs is just too much and 2 minute rotation amplifies the feeling.. sniffing a lot of hopium that DT addresses the issue. And there's just not much in terms of goals left for me to chase, at least ones I enjoy chasing (basically anything that isn't DoH related)

[@xL0stKIlah]

I'm glad I just started playing so I won't notice the dumbing down

[@SoraInTheSkies]

@@xL0stKIlah Yeah, its still a good game to start with or play casually until you experience a few expansions and run out of things you enjoy.

[@jahoopyjaheepu497]

This is pretty much how I feel. PF is also difficult to navigate, with some people having little capacity for taking any form of criticism. It's difficult to socialize and make friends when you feel you need to constantly watch what you say and how you say it.

[@HarumiYu]

I think this is just a herd effect, because of content creators and community talk, because if you show mostly of the people a video """hating"""" on endwalker, they will agree, if you show a video talking about the completely opposite, they also will agree. The thing for me is that people do not know how to form their own opinions, because if you get mostly of the people who complains, they do nothing in the game at all, they probably do not even have eureka leveled up or any other content done, nor savage, and stay AFK in Limsa, who made videos with good feedback because experienced the game as a casual level and/or Endgame is fine, but I think the majority of people do not fall in any of those categories because probably have the world to do in the game, and if we get a larger spectrum (not only who complains), then mostly of people do not even care about that discussion and just boot up the game to have a good time. My personal experience, endwalker was not fun for me because the jobs are boring in another whole level and the first savage tier was horrible, except for P3S, story I do not care thaaat much, but I enjoy, and Endwalker 6.0 for me was pretty mediocre, and onwards was boring, all the void stuff is just "please, just let me solve problems for small villages so I can start to care about a more grounded problem, I do not want another big thing to now the power of friendship will save the world and no one from the scions will die because they do not want to upset people". But Endwalker made me realize how I liked the job design in Stormblood and early Shadowbringers, and I was enjoying playing because of that, I wish they found a middle ground between those two.

[@Heroisback92192]

Absolutely correct.

[@scullzomben]

Not even halfway through the video and you have hit the 2 points the hardest on why I dislike Endwalker. Relics being taken away from people who enjoyed doing relics, and hard content getting progressively harder, and easy content getting regressively easier, with nothing (except maybe Extremes lul) to fill the growing difficulty void.

[@evelynfive5684]

Zepla is really on point with very humble way of expressing what FFXIV is lacking. It's getting more RPG and keep losing MMO elements which is already less content on that side.

[@wim5210]

this one

[@ich3730]

How is FF14 getting "more RPG" ? There are no branching decisions, no character choices, no individual builds or gear. Every character, if played well, plays the same. Thats the literal opposite of what RPG means as a genre

[@ioverslept.]

I agree its losing the MMO elements but it sure as hell not getting more RPG, if anything its been losing more and more of it

[@salimancathos]

@@ich3730Emphasis role playing more than anything. There’s more “to do” as your character such as Island Sanctuary which I believe is what they meant. I know BG3 has reminded a lot of people what an RPG can be, XIV’s approach is more around the whole “being your character in all aspects” rather than just fighting. Not saying that’s the right approach, it’s just something that’s become more noticeable over the years.

[@CineGoodog]

It is not even getting more RPG? What are lvs in this game? Just a means to get all the skills and gear because it changes nothing on your status. Gear only gives you more HP and damage, no elemental resistances, no unique bonus, no nothing. You get a new weapon and your reaction is "yay now I hit for 10% more damage", Coompare with FFXI when a lv up really made a difference,

[@wolv3232]

So on the topic of the relic grind being gone, it feels like you accomplished more with the actual grind. Current relic is just logging in daily for upgrades and doesnt feel like an accomplishment, just a "hey you logged in so many days and did your daily roulettes, here is a relic woohoo...." feel.

[@anteprs7908]

that what most ppl want aka the causal and they have for YEARS been force to do +3 mont of gridn for it now they have a easy relic sorry that hurt your feelings but the 85% of the casual playerbase deserve some love too they do keep this game running.

[@Ventus_Wraith]

Ima be honest, just because you fall into a category doesn't mean you can speak for the entire population of that group I've heard and seen just as many casuals say that this relic is boring and not engaging, as people who say this relics is great cause they don't have to do anything for it. Me personally I think rewards for accomplishments is the best way to reward players in game as it gives people reason to login and engage in content with others. But I wouldn't speak for any other just for myself

[@anteprs7908]

@@Ventus_Wraiththose arent causal those are midcore player MOST CAUSALS LOVE THIS RELICS IT THE FIRST REALLY CAUSAL FREIND RELIC.

[@Ventus_Wraith]

I mean like I said I can't tell you what you do and you don't like. If it's for you I'm happy 😅. I'm hardcore raider who plays causal hours in the game I don't really login outside of raiding. As long as others are happy it's all good I already know my content will be there in even patches. Right now I'm enjoying Ark survival, 14 is just kinda boring atm so 🤷‍♂️

[@TaigaGalette]

I'd rather have this than 70 Fates and an ungodly amount of Alliance raid spam that's called a waste of time

[@EhhmmmNo]

Ostriches burying their heads in the sand is a common misconception. When danger approaches, they often lie flat on the ground, and head and neck may blend in with the color of sand or soil. So it LOOKS like their head is in the sand, but when faced with a threat, they use their 45 miles per hour legs to run away instead of burying their heads.

[@TheWickedMessenger3]

So endwalker might be WoD but it might also be BFA. It depends on if Dawntrail is Legion or Shadowlands lol.

[@ikeaira8701]

oh god lmao

[@redgeoblaze3752]

I see it more as Cataclysm. It's good, just not as good or popular as the expansion before it.

[@MrCarlWax]

9:35 WoW's patch cadence is every 2 months with raids being every 6 months. FFXIV's patch cadence is roughly every 4 months and each raid is every 7-9 months Edit: I don't care for arguing what is better or worse. I play FFXIV if that means anything. I just pointed out a fact. A fact I find odd that Arthars doesn't know considering he raids in WoW.

[@anteprs7908]

most ppl in mmorpgs this days do not raid

[@coolyeh1017]

From what I heard for DL the patch cadence between major patches is quite fast now. However, I think people remember the older times like WoD or SL in which the patch cadence was around 200+ days which is longer than 4 months. 9.0 was a bit infamous for a time when there was no major patch for over 300 days.

[@MrCarlWax]

@@anteprs7908 Doesn't change the fact that non-raid patches also are faster in wow

[@anteprs7908]

@@MrCarlWax that fine sadly the non raid patchs arent as good for causal as ffxiv

[@MrCarlWax]

@@anteprs7908 That's completely subjective

[@Starrky923]

5 creators created videos about they displeasure about expansion and gave insanely good feedback. xiv community: "Oh no they are hating our game"

[@anteprs7908]

good feedback sure buddy you keep telling yourself that and yes they saying i dont like the expantion they are then hating on said expantion.

[@ArchieGamez]

Stand and let it resolve smh

[@Starrky923]

@@anteprs7908sorry but if you don't think xeno, zepla and arthars gave way beyond and above feedback that's actionable you are absolutely off the rocker. They gave devs so much info to work off of that anyone with more than 2 working braincells could work with. Not even sure why I reply because judging from the way you express yourself and type this conversation won't even lead to anything. Solidified with simple fact that you equate not liking something to hating, guess that says enough to everyone with working brain not living on twitter

[@anteprs7908]

@@Starrky923 they gave baited and bad feedback that helps only midcore player and not causal it was stupid and it felt like fuck the causal the midcore player matter . if you think the 12% midcore matter more then 85% casual playerbase and a expantion SHOULD cater to the midcore player then i cant help you but there there idea they think causal like exploration zone when that pure bs , we like the current island santuary over bozja and we like current relics for the first time we have content beside msq,housing and crafting catering to us and now we should all bend the knee so the midcore player get content and force us to ether do there content or leave and unsub like we did in stormblod,shb and hw.

[@Starrky923]

@@anteprs7908 except the only change to the content you speak of in past 8 years was island sanctuary that people universally felt bad about after first day(like pretty much everything they release in endwalker besides raids) and maybe few minigames in saucer people forget in a week. Other than that crafters and gatherers if you play actively even hour a day take like 2 weeks to be done with in 2 years of expansion. Housing- over 90% of playerbase don't have access to it because they butchered housing system and don't want to fix it.

[@robertocortes8773]

It's crazy how we can rewrite history of what started with Zelpha and where things are at now. She had arguments that could be worth discussing, but she pissed in the well by constantly stating that she was right and if you didn't completely agree you either are a crazy or not getting it. Lets not forget that part of the problem with her arguments is that she made some unbelievable case that Bozja was a popular zone or that Eureka was put out with no complaints. At the end of the day all the came out of this was that FF14 streamers are pretty chill until the views start to dip and they to start farming drama for content. She wasn't completely wrong, but she didn't want to hear any diagreement on any of her points. You had to agree with everything she stated or you were not capable of arguing. I swear sometimes the boogeyman of ff14 fans ya'll talk about are just your insetuial communities that you form and gin up when opinions start getting confused with facts.

[@lukapitkanen3333]

My personal biggest complaint about EW is that it doesn’t feel like an mmo to me. You never see players doing content unless you queue up for some instanced small scale thing such as raids and dungeons. Like what is the reason of having zones if you never use them for content (and yes there’s fates but who actually gets excited about fates). I really think this is the real reason people miss Eureka/Bozja, without it the game feels dead for a lot players, especially solo players. I’m hopeful that Dawntrail will fix this.

[@anteprs7908]

the game feel alive for solo players dotn speak for us buddy . and ffxiv is a rpg first mmo second you still have aa ton off group content you just may not like it .

[@Heroisback92192]

Yeah, one of the main reasons I play 14 is because it isn't a total mmo. MMOs are boring as fuck to me on average. The only one I have ever liked before this was Runescape which again. Had a lot more solo elements than other MMOs. People complaining about Endwalker are just stupid in my opinion. Go play a different game like Yoshi P has told you and shut up about it. Zepla complaining about is by far the cringiest to me.

[@HarumiYu]

I really wish it was like an MMORPG back, the last time I felt like it, was back in ARR, 2013-2014 because it lacked convenience, so people had to gather up to talk about the game, form groups and stuff.

[@Heroisback92192]

I can understand that want but, I feel like that was constricting to people that have lives. Playing games in the early 2000s was like that all the time but, the times have changed. I don't feel like we should be rejecting convinence. Community is very strong in 14 if you are a crafter or casual player. Raiding communities can be harder to get into but, it's also a small part of the game so, that makes sense.

[@lukapitkanen3333]

@@anteprs7908 what rpg elements are there in FFXIV really? What does being rpg first mean to you? If you are judging FFXIV just based on it being an rpg then the game is pretty weak. Also I’m a solo player too so I can speak from my own experience.

[@Redwolfxx]

i'm all about chilling until next expansion now, no desire to quit either, just healthy break, i don't have group that needs me like i used to back in ShB, most of time end of expansion is about helping friends, getting things done like raid prog, or doing random things together, but not having anyone to do things with and RL taking priority during drought, it's easy to stop playing and wait or try other games.

[@terezii]

babe wake up new arthars video

[@zeeder7975]

Where is the chat overlay recently?

[@OldManInternet]

Having optional grinds in an MMO is a healthy thing for the game. The problem is when you make the grind a mandatory hoop players have to jump through to get to the content they want to do. Long term goals are important for MMO engagement. The old relics were fine because they were 100% optional, and just served as something to do. But since it took an investment of time to get, having them felt good because not everyone had them. But the Endwalker relics are basically given away for free, so getting them isn't satisfying, and having them isn't interesting. This is a pretty basic concept for games in general, and the fact that a vocal minority complaining about it caused the devs to shift their philosophy is a bit concerning. Hopefully they recognize that capitulating to these voices isn't good for the long term health of the game.

[@AmenoMagatsu]

Biggest relic problem is tha fact its taking up tomes from the actual catch up gear: augmented tome, going to be 6000 tomes per relic on the next one Like, its literally predatory to another catch up gear system in the game Now thats bad design

[@Kekira]

That's the grind part though.

[@ikeaira8701]

This whole discourse(since Zepla posted her thoughts) has proven to me that the game is being ruined/catered to a group of players that don't even like MMORPGs. And no I'm not talking about the Content Creators but those complaining about the criticism.

[@donhankins1082]

You know the content is boring as fuck when even having an opinion on the game is drama.

[@Kuhazan]

having come from a metric fuckton of other MMOs with XIV and GW2 being the only two left I mainly play the problems with this format is a lot better than the patch cycle of other MMOs I have played (GW2 also falls into can drop it and pick back up category) and after XIV I look for systems that allow me to play other games. Upon trying Lost Ark I looked at that stuff and saw Black Desert within 3 hours and noped out so while people long for the MMORPG experience of old the time investment for such a experience is not realistic for those of us who were there back in the AOL disc frisbee days and the younger players will never stick around long enough for the investors to say "yes this is the path forward" so I fully expect 7.0 to be more of the same but with a Field Operation Zone. The alliance raids will always go down in difficulty because the player base who hits the roulette button told them shorter is better by unequiping their gear to get CT (which was fixed recently) and leaving on any alliance raid that is not fast. If they have anything tracking content played in that sphaghetti code I would assume based off what they did that some of the changes were made because of what players did not what players requested.

[@starseekernate7244]

To be fair you can think the game is the best game you’ve ever played if all you’ve done is MSQ. Sure there can be aspects you haven’t done, but if the story and your experience is that good calling it the best game you’ve ever played is valid However I also completely see the critiques and agree with a good number of them

[@Sev3nn20]

Sorry Arthurs but I gotta be the long ranter: I'll be the person who probably can point out what some veterans are trying to say: FFXIV is being actively made easier. This is a fact, not an opinion, from removal of skills such as SAM's Kaiten, the removal of DoTs on SMN, the simplicity of DNC being made even more simple, etc, no one at all has asked for these kinds of changes, SE has been listening to the minority of players at times who state that they aren't able to do anything because they consider dungeons and class rotations as too hard to do and what people don't seem to understand is that there were plenty of options for both people of high and low skill levels, rather than take the homogeneous approach, they could have reinforced their foundation to better prepare people to increase overall skill levels. But rather than do this, they choose to make changes like WAR getting a circle AoE for Overpower, a good change on paper, until you realize that their were 3 other tanks that already did that, why make 1 like the others rather than keeping it different to preserve that jobs have their quirks/nuances?? Jobs are MEANT to play differently, but right now all tanks and healers are mostly the same with little difference and it's stale and boring, I understand it's easier to balance but it worked in ShB, why not in EndWalker too?? Why did AST have to lose Noct Sect? Why did SAM lose Kaiten? Why hasn't the issue with SCH's 60 skill been addressed? Why does DRK STILL have Enhanced Unmend? Rather than fix actual problems with class design, they're focused on deleting things that make jobs complicated to make it easier for players to play better, but the conflict of interest is that those same players don't care and still won't play correctly, which is why in patches SE and Yoshi P have BUFFED no-combo GCD actions....why are you rewarding people for pressing the wrong button inputs????? Point is I love the game and have recently returned and will continue to have fun, but do not think that SE is 100% doing the right changes. They still have yet to fix the fact that BRD has a useless skill for years that literally NO ONE uses called Repelling Shot....let that set in, but yes, we needed SCH's Expedient to be nerfed :|

[@HarumiYu]

As misshapen chair said in his recent video "the shitters are the ones who fall in this category and wants the game to adapt to them and not get good".

[@Sev3nn20]

@HarumiYu Exactly, this is why the foundation, the tutorial needs to be better than what it is, you can't actively have a steep curve from Dungeons to say; an EX Trial, that leap in "Nothing you do matters, you'll eventually clear" to "Do your actual damage rotations or you're griefing" is massive, and rotations aren't even that hard, just the game makes no incentive for 1 to do it

[@originalghoul3738]

I started when 2.0 launched I didnt play 1.0 because I thought it was like FF11 which was menu hell but I was BlackMage and remember how hard Titan was to get your weapon I played till Crystal Tower then stopped came to play Heavensward and said nope, came back for Shadowbringer and stayed for Endwalker I liked the story and love what I can do now, I havent been able to do Savage or Criterion yet or the Ultimates and thats ok I like there is more I can do I have 90 in everything and have relics on most and all relics for Craft/Gather except Shadowbringer gold ones working on them and started recently going to get RR relics which is cool I paused to put 500 hours in Elden Ring then Baldurs Gate 3 but now loving the mellow aspects now and am hopeful for DawnTrail, Emet Selch told us whats coming we know the identities of the Twelve and now going to see the waterfalls and I hope the underwater area that eludes my memory at the moment, but the guy who bitches that FFXIV isnt for anyone is a typical WoW "Toxic" player they think YoshiP should do what Blizzard does and create mechanics and classes that benefit Hardcore Raiders and PVP and screw everyone else so when he says "Everyone" that everyone is HardCore n PVP only, so its no loss and glad YoshiP doesnt listen to asshats like that or I would abandon FFXIV in a heartbeat, Im not shiting on Hardcore n PVP 💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩 but think thinking!!!!???? Anyways I quit Blizz/Act after I heard a woman killed herself and they passed around her vagina pix at the company and find it fascinating that Taili n Evitel, Asmon, Preach and the rest still support the company and play the game after knowing this and the company still hasnt made amens for that sin which Im hoping Phil at Microsoft can do something but yea the hypocrites that were exposed I guess isnt surprising anyone got off on a tangent???

[@WalkMrJ]

Dude.. You can't talk about the FFXIV community like that. They'll string you up.

[@KamiSlayer86]

Rip Shadowbringers SMN ; ;

[@PKDeviluke25]

I wish I could go back. I never thought that it could get this bad.

[@lushdontu4015]

It was so fun and satisfying

[@Tory-JJ]

Relics. That what kept me busy between expansions besides savage and ex. But it was 80 percent relics. I wasnt mad, just waiting for next expansion.

[@oszaszi]

Relic grinding with Bozja and Eureka made the game the most social. That and hunt trains. But lets be fair, on a hunt train you barely have time to say a sentence before the bloody monster dies and yall need to move... In bozja and eureka people stop to talk, and socialize because the game created the space and common goal for it. It was veeeery grindy but it was also the space where one without a friend group could get to know randoms the best.

[@crownmemory6945]

I'm actually got a few new friends when doing bozja during the content lull, shit was awesome

[@MaxAce20]

Its not the relic ‘grind’ people miss it’s the fact that bozja had an entire raid series basically just for the relics, it was badass

[@8itesize]

alt problem in ff14 is super annoying. im just glad it's still somewhat at least possible to be quick enough to put items up on the Market and buy them on the Alt.

[@TechneMakre]

if your main has an apartment or fc room, you can put gear on a mannequin to 'trade' it to your alt with no marketboard tax as long as you actually go to the room with the mannequin. you can also do this for transferring gil (get apartment on alt, put cheap clothing item for sale on mannequin for x amount of gil, have main buy it, collect the gil on alt) but for other stuff like furnishing, food, pots, etc yeah it's either marketboard or a friend trade to you :/ I just wish i could add my alt as a friend, it'd help a lot of different things lol

[@Jozaros]

I used to be a hardcore player, and I just can't find any motivation to retry ultimate raids because they end up becoming glamour and titles are not any stat boost or get any new Weapon Skill like in FF11. You played FF11, and I feel more accomplished getting a mythic, empyrean, and relic done because of the weapon skills they gave us plus the BiS that helps us climb a ladder step system. Now we have Prime weapons, which also give us new WS. I wish the ultimate weapons given is new WS that can help us clear even faster. "I want my glam to go ham." I just don't see any motivation anymore in FF14, and I blame WoW for this kinda of play style that inspired FF14 devs.

[@ChannelRaznoff]

It could be that I'm a huge fan of FFXII, but I loved Bozja. The Ivalice raids are my favorites in the game and I enjoy doing all of them the very few times I get them in the roulette. I really wanted to see that side story continue and that has been my biggest disappointment from this expansion. I don't treat this game as an MMO. It's a co-op game for me that I play with RL friends. I avoid the community like the plague. After joining 4 different FCs and leaving each because I got tired of seeing people talk constantly about their weird sexual fetishes with complete strangers. The last straw for me was actually when I made the mistake of joining the discord of the 4th FC. I was pinged one day, out of the blue by one of the members I don't think I had interacted with in game. When I went to the post, I was greeted by a picture of what looked to be my character getting railed by a Rhothgar (I assume it was his character). I immediately logged in, left the FC and the discord and have been FC-less since. That was a year ago. The game has been so much more enjoyable since.

[@dixiebellau]

Average XIV interaction in 2023. Its sad to see that this is how the game ended up when square refused to take action and stop it early.

[@Tory-JJ]

Balmung players be like.

[@dixiebellau]

@@Tory-JJ it was nice when they were all locked on balmung. Was basically a giant blacklist of sexual predators to avoid

[@ChannelRaznoff]

@sakiyoshidaxiv Well, some escaped to Excalibur....

[@josie_the_valkyrie]

Yes, what is the deal with that? I took a long break and came back to there being loads of creepers… 🤨 I’ve not joined another fc specifically for that exact reason. I just group with my spouse.

[@aohdakibussubara8820]

Relics used to be a commitment but not anymore. My personal favourite relic grind was heavensward because the big grind gave you the choice to take on a more difficult challenge would give you more progress towards the relic.

[@nimhra3250]

Kougaon

[@electrogonorhea]

Pls yoshi, ass slider 🙏

[@Jacqli-Rivoli]

I actually agree about alts. I play an alt because I didn't want to play all jobs on a single character and it helps keep things fresh for me. But having to go through MSQ stuff and everything else on an alt is very painful. Especially gearing. Ugh, what a nightmare.

[@Vincent_63]

Great video appreciate your take on it. Make us socialize yoshi p I NEED it

[@yzzy8422]

Ok the context of " go play others games if you have nothing to do " is BS I'm sorry to say that but this a MMORPG here we suppose to have things to do in it no matter the time ! Like its not like a offiline game when you finish the game you can play something else that's totally fine but for a MMORPG it should be this way ! At all I'm sorry to say that but people need to stop that " go play other games bull crap " and make a wake up call to the developers !

[@zeeder7975]

Do you know what's worse? "If you don't like it, don't play it." - JP FF14 bootlickers

[@redcpt3791]

@@zeeder7975 They're right. You're saying this game isn't worth your sub. So don't sub. Vote with your wallet.

[@zangetsu6996]

There is a massive amount of content in XIV though and always something to keep you busy, the people complaining about the lack of content just don't want to do half of the stuff in this game because they find it boring and only want more raid content

[@bamberscher_offiziell7261]

@@redcpt3791technically you’re wright but the thing is if you have a house you’re rlly fucked. If Square/p rlly would care about everyone, then they would make it free2play.

[@mosley3485]

​@@zangetsu6996 Most people who have been playing for a long time are caught up on everything except the things that they have no interest in doing. "You can't complain about Endwalker not giving you enough to do unless you've done all the ARR content that you have 0 interest in" is a 0 IQ take.

[@GoatOfWar]

Are we also just going to pretend that every bit of trivial content should be played at all? >.>

[@Tigerbro6]

i was so disappointed when blue mage wasnt a new tank...

[@valonquar1]

I took a 1 year break from FFXIV and just came back. I blasted through a year of patch content I missed in a little over 10 days of casual play after work. I usually do savage content, but honestly the minuscule amount of attractive rewards of latest tiers are so lackluster there isn't much reason to care. That bahamut mount for all EX fight mounts is horrible. T12 salamander mount is W T F. The other criterion stuff isn't great either and it's AHable too.

[@disfavored2654]

What has changed between these savage tiers and the shadowbringers ones? lol Just say you can't do savage xdd

[@Heroisback92192]

Oh brother, someone knocking the Bahamut mount. Clearly uncultured.

[@ich3730]

@@Heroisback92192 I cant understand anyone defending the bahamut mount lul. EX meta achievement mounts used to fit a theme. Ponys gave golden pony. Birds gave phoenix. Doggos gave big doggo. And now cats give... retro bahamut? Its so obvious they didnt finish a proper reward and hastily went "lets just slap this retro bahamut asset we had around here". How can you defend this?

[@Heroisback92192]

@@ich3730 No you just don't understand the theme of Endwalker is a giant love letter to Final Fantasy 4....Having the Final Fantasy 4 Bahamut is the very well with in theme. As the last dungeon and all of the extremes post Endsinger are bosses from FF4....

[@mosley3485]

@@Heroisback92192 So why are the Ew ex mounts lynx? Fan service at the expense of creating a cohesive experience isn't something I want in the game.

[@Celis.C]

So... since Arthars still has his hair, he hasn't reached the breaking point yet? Unless he's wearing a wig, of course...

[@Sev3nn20]

Oh also just made it to that point in the vid, Kou actually 100% has played at least 1 old school game, 1 by the name Mabinogi, back in the day it was extremely grindy to getting literally anything done, I'd put it on par if not higher then WoW Classic's grind

[@TheRyel97Gaming]

I agree with you 80%. Glad someone is finally talking about optional content insider groups rather than just high end raiding. However, Diadem was some of my favourite content and really outside of that and splenderous tools there isn’t too much for crafters rn because they gave raiders a week after the release of raids and made crafting much more accessible this expansion so they can craft their own stuff making crafters only exist for housing and glams lol. I spent months grinding diadem for the emotes, mounts and dyes and every now and then I dip in just for fun. I’ve done the eureka and bozja grinds just for fun. I am someone who enjoys having something optional to grind towards. I’ve done eureka orthos and cleared a savage this cycle but I don’t want to spend time watching a guide to have to clear content and then repeatedly run the same stuff for a higher number on a piece of gear that becomes outdated with the next patch anyways. I dunno. I just kinda enjoy grinds. I even went and got the jam on toast tt mount and am now chasing the pvp mounts just to have an excuse to log in

[@Ephremjlm1]

There are a few things I just wanna add here for the whole maybe one or two people that read this. 1. Eureka and Bozja are more grindy sure, but people act like that's ALL it is. The content changes and is generally more fun. The content is inherently social and requires people to communicate to get through it, battle mechanics change with new abilities to unlock, or shifting to elemental weakness, Items become far more valuable, battles take place in open world zones which requires players to fight and navigate through the world differently, you get player driven content where some players help others or some players screw others which can be both good and bad but adds variety, experience system changes, and there is a whole separate leveling system which feels earned as opposed to a step thats just done. And most importantly, there is ACTUAL loot when fighting mobs in these zones. Even today you can go farm in Bozja and get mounts that sell for millions. I mean the dude in this video literally says at the end that he went back to playing OSRS which is the most grindy old school mmo there is lmao. 2. I absolutely hate that relic chart because it looks so much more complicated than it is. You handle it one step at a time, most of us do one thing, and leveling or doing content in the open world zones usually handles half of it or more. 3. I agree with Arthars. The whole "Dawntrail will be better" is cope. There is no strategy in letting players leave your game, in turn losing revenue. Those subs in that point in time arent coming back, and the best you can hope for is that some of those people resub later when they would have anyways, if anything kept their sub going the entire time. People can blame covid, but businesses have to pivot all the time, and the fact that SE refused to pivot is actually concerning.

[@xiaochikuroinu9128]

I am fine with FF14 state in a lot of aspect because I spent hardcore time in FF11 during Treasure of Aht Urghan and Wing of the Goddess era....I had an insane experience but after that, nothing has come close which I am fine with it. I really don't want to repeat my story of FF11 of playing with insane investment of time to accomplish stuff especially the game having too much grind and too many different EndGames running at the same time, it was too much looking back. I have play FF14 since ARR but I always try to play it low mid-core at worst like doing savage and maybe ultimate. I never liked the MMO genre in general, I tried ROSE online, WoW free trial 1 week 2008ish, Perfect World, Aion....I didn't had fun or was low. FF11 was the only MMORPG caught my attention and was in the second month playing when I started exploring the world + Exp parties + how scary and huge the world was in FF11. FF14 for me is the story, and chill mostly even when doing savage/ultimate. I don't need to sink hours to accomplish stuff and I can focus on what I love...aka my other hobbies and other games. There are stuff that FF14 needs some fix like the jobs(especially healers and the 2min meta) and give a little grind for the people that wish for it or make relic tied to the content that just released.........hmmm I guess something social content aka Eureka/Bozja or w/e that force people socialize even if I don't really do them. I love more single and local multiplayer games because I came from the NES era. P.S. HW was horrible balance....I was main MNK and my static we were 2 MNK and still cleared A3S and A8S on content lol. Diadem was ugh...., deep dungeon 200 floor was brutal on wipe but I still had fun. People who prefer HW they are either didn't play it or wants at least some complexity fun even if the skill gap between casual and good gets a little wider.

[@Mirikyrana]

The consensus is, People who play FF don't hate FF, just FF twitter/redditors and their content creators :) I know for half a decade the community was moaning about how few content creators FF has, I have always been of the mindset that it should have less, because most come with a FFXIV twitter mindset and screech loudly giving the real ingame community a bad representation.

[@Direwolf13PS3]

If they add butt sliders femroe will become much more popular.

[@DMarvelous88]

Arthars points on alts is spot on. I want to play other races but its such a huge waste of time. I wish FFXIV would improve the alt experience some how.

[@SShen]

I do find xenos video being shown in kougaons a bit weird cause it was just a simple 4 and a half hour react to that dumb ass take by Lynx and not xeno himself saying game bad

[@omensoffate]

Why is the take bad?

[@SShen]

@@omensoffate Lynx had some really really dumb complaints about the game but the most egregious was the goddamn bring back the attribute point system which nobody misses

[@kingdomheartsasha]

​@@SShenBRING BACK ACCURACY, I WANT MY GCDS TO MISS

[@IndyAlexander]

i prefer relics to be tome grind never liked eureka or bozja. hoping if they do add another eureka type thing relics weps are not part of it just give it a different series of shiny weps/armor

[@DacianGradaMusic]

completely agree with the "grindy content that's optional and needs to be there for people to do it if they want" take; EW relic is a joke so I'm doing some of the old ones to pass time before patch and it's still very populated, it has a sense of community and working together towards something...

[@Sephvion]

Enough people are still in Bozja? I need to find a discord that coordinates this.

[@madeo4922]

@@Sephvion Bozjia and Eureka are full of people every time there's a content drought,so yeah

[@DeusGamez]

nah dont feel that bad for the casuals if they are not busy fking eachother, they are either afk, playing some other game, only login to do dailies/weeklies which takes like a single day to sift thru, only actively doing stuff when there is new story or seasonal event, or pretending to treat the game like its a social/dating sim. they could care less if ffxiv crashes an burns sure they'd be upset their character would be going away but they'll get over it quickly an migrate to something else thats how little they give an actual shit lol an if they are not in the "dont give a shit" category they are in the "this is fine" meme camp an the first to go full mental at the slightest hint of someone criticizing their favorite cult bubble safeplace lol

[@NotExplicable]

Mid-core is the end game for most Casuals.., why would you not add more mid-core content....

[@mosley3485]

What? Midcore is the endgame for midcore players. Casual content is the endgame for casual players.

[@NotExplicable]

@@mosley3485 casuals still want too seem involved with midcore, there's alot of gil traffic between two casual provide a relaxed environment away from whatever midcore grind and midcore makes it easier for casuals to get gear, glams, or learn how to play up to a certain point. Also there's a tiny bit of status hanging out between the two. Not every casual just does casual content without needing to get to a certain point to fully open up an ideal casual environment that makes players of all spectrums want to be involved.

[@NotExplicable]

@@mosley3485 i know some midcore players and Raiders that have become casuals and vice-versa as they want to experience different things or don't have the time they once had

[@NotExplicable]

@@mosley3485 midcore also makes hard-core more appealing as it puts hard-core on a pedestal being a standout that gap of semi graduated midcore will keep the game alive longer than another thing as midcore are good recruiters of casual players and friends to share the game with and so on. Mmos didn't start out as casual play, casuals are a byproduct of a healthy game where a profit potential is created in the midcore/long-term players, if you start to abandon the midcore/long-term problems will arise down the line as interest dwindles.

[@miatomi]

7:24 it's not just alts funny enough, I'd argue that it is now easier to play different classes in endgame in FFXIV than in WoW, I'm surprised more people aren't talking about this. The alt system in WoW and the way you can redo story for beginning-of-endgame level gear makes it really easy to try out new classes. In FFXIV it is much more of a slog.

[@normalmighty]

Can't you just buy beginning-of-endgame gear in FFXIV for the same effect? What's the difference?

[@miatomi]

Buying is less casual friendly. Instead, just play the zone? Free gear. Keep playing the zone? Level up that gear to a very respectable item level, don’t even have to raid or m+. They actually also kept previous patch content relevant as well in the same way.

[@candykit5382]

I have played MMOs before FF14, I played The Realm, Dark Age of Camelot, FF11 (Amongst the first groups in the world to clear CoP and reach sea!), wow and more. And I think the rage over FF14 is overblown and ridiculous in Endwalker. HW was critically acclaimed over the story, it sure wasnt over the raid content which the first tier was actual dogshit and unbalanced classes. I was a MCH main. I know all about gun mage, and the fact to maximize DPS you had to swap between rooting yourself to cast and turning it off and on. Endwalker is not as bad as people make it out to be. It's not as exciting either in the post MSQ. Some complaints are absolutely ridiculous, some make sense, but it would be an essay to give an opinion on every one.. .but the weirdest thing is peoples relentless anger over what are rather minor issues.

[@PingWhisper]

I feel like FFXI is more MMO than FFXIV, i'm not sure what FFXIV is anymore.

[@passerbeta2298]

regarding the hate on EW relic I would just want to ask the ppl hatin on how easy it is to get it have they tried grindin ARR relic? especially the book part where you need to do random fates just to spawn the required fate on the book and don't get me started on the Levequest that you can only do a limited number of times back then

[@omensoffate]

You are missing the point. 1500 tomes a step isn’t content

[@passerbeta2298]

@@omensoffate it's optional content as arthars mentioned it if you wanna do it, go do it if not then don't nobody is forcing you to do them

[@anteprs7908]

@@omensoffateit not meant to be content it mean to be a easy grind

[@anteprs7908]

the truth is the pp lwho hate ew relic are a small minority of the playerbase the mayority of casual are just happy we can do easy grind relics without a whole month of grind becuase the game doesnt offer any real tome weapons (since causal by default do not raid) plus getting more then one relic done in the end of a expanation is great

[@MrCarlWax]

I'd rather have ARR than a 2nd tome weapon.

[@jahoopyjaheepu497]

The main reason I got into FFXIV is the midcore and hardcore battle content. But jobs seem too simple and homogenized now, so clearing something like savage just isn't as fun. For me, there isn't much else keeping me into the game. Gear is pretty much meaningless (every EX and savage just release the same stuff but with slightly higher stats), nearly all areas are totally empty, and I really feel like you have to coddle most players in group content because saying or doing the wrong thing can set people off. One of the final straws was when I was leveling my Paladin and had a premade trio in a level 30 dungeon who refused to play with me because I was doing big pulls. We didn't even struggle on the first pull or two, but one of the players insisted "this is not how we're going to do this dungeon," so they let me die over and over again while they slowly tanked the mobs and cleared the dungeon. It's ridiculous that these kinds of people are not visited by GMs, but others get put in GM jail for some kind of minor negative remark in PF due to chain reporting from a premade. The "community" is highly overrated.

[@semiramisubw4864]

I quit like half n year ago tho. Its not the game aone, its this insanely cringe community

[@itsthatkidrod]

You can 100% smash a bear in BG3 lmao!

[@Alex-iq2oz]

why run when you can buy? TO SELL ON THE MARKET BOARD DUH, that argument made me mad tf

[@Xerostarry]

xddTree

[@Tory-JJ]

The wow boomers got bored. They went to hardcore wow.

[@Ghost_of_93]

You're not burnt out, you're bored.

[@Sephvion]

Unless they knock it out of the park, at the Japan fanfest, I think it's going to break some people. I hope they do, because it has to be worth this drought. In the meantime, I guess I'll push Eureka and Bozja until I'm done with the relics or need a break.

[@magus9180]

Bozja was no grind at all. Eureka was fine, too. If people don't want to do it, they should just stay away from it. But when people want to play the Game for more than 1 hours a week and want to kept busy, then fucking do it.

[@TechneMakre]

20:55 stand and let 7.0 resolve ez

[@terrificlife1576]

It is true that FF14 is in the worst state ever (and not talk about 1.0, calm down). FF14 is making the same mistakes that WoW has done in the past... They make every class fulfill the same role, and don't even get me started on the healing. WoW understood this and made a lot of changes in the last expansion, while FF14 keeps going in the same direction. Maybe FF14 needs to end up like WoW so they finally change things.

[@johankarlsson1776]

Yea, it's too late now to make EW better at this time. But it's still important to let the devs know if you aren't happy with the situation, since then they know what they should avoid in the next one. Also, this "just play another game".... what about the people who don't have the cash to spend on other games, and can't justify spending 60 bucks on a game they might play for a week or two, when they can pay 15 bucks a month for a game that SHOULD be able to give them something to do with that time?

[@normalmighty]

If they can't afford to buy a game, they really shouldn't be paying for a monthly MMO sub plus expansions lol, they should be picking from the extensive list of popular F2P games out there and saving the money from the sub for other aspects of their life.

[@RecklessCV]

Currency is not the same. Sure if we are reffering to USD, EURO, or GBP this arguement has more weight. However many currencies around the world including many first world countries like australia and canada have had games skyrocket into the $100 range. $15 a month is much more reasonable than paying $100 every 2 months for a triple A game. This isn't even including "micro" transactions that take away from the game.

[@JohnnyMaverik]

The casual content in FFXIV is overall not amazing, but they should look to GW2 not WoW in looking for the answers. Wow's casual content is also dogshit.

[@redcpt3791]

I do savage, clear ultimates, criterion, maxed my island, did pre-nerf Eureka, max rank in Bozja, did BA, did DRS, is my opinion as valid as Zepla's yet? Because I don't agree with her.. at all. The problem with content creators complaining is because their gameplay experience is different from regular players. I don't need nor want to play XIV 6-8 hours a day. I don't need stuff that engages viewers that can get people in everytime and also allows me to talk shit in chat. I just need a game I can play and have fun with. For me FFXIV and Endwalker is fine in that regard. I love blind progging Savage & Criterion, I love doing ultimates, I love story parts whenever they comes out, doing new trials and unreal with the static, doing some Frontlines and whatever else the game adds I'll engage with. I can do all that, and then because this game is solid I can also play XVI, Tears of the Kingdom and Baldur's Gate. I don't give a shit about something like Bozja being in Endwalker, despite liking Bozja in the past I like Variant and Criterion for the content it is, because I think they're fun and I look forward to doing more of them I'm fine with job design and the 2 minute meta does not affect my enjoyment of the combat in the slightest I think regular dungeons are fine just the way they are I think Island Sanctuary was a fun experiment and am curious about the next lifestyle idea I think M+ is ass and it's the very last thing they should come even close to considering for XIV I don't give a shit about how grindy or not the relic is

[@ich3730]

I respect your opinion, but at the same time i hope nobody ever listens to people like you in regard to game design. You are whats wrong with the industry and you neither know about nor will ever feel the consequences. Art grows from adversity and critique, not from mindless fans who already love whats there.

[@Orphan_of_Kos_or_some_say_Kosm]

@@ich3730 Chess didn't have to grow from perpetual adversity, fans already love what's there, piss off

[@redcpt3791]

@@ich3730 Mindless because I like the game *as* it has evolved and changed since Heavensward. Go off, king.

[@sora8711]

@@redcpt3791 Mindless because opinion is basically "Game fine, no problem." There are problems, you just don't want to admit them.

[@redcpt3791]

@@sora8711 Have you considered I just enjoy the game for what it offers me? It doesn't need to be perfect, because the perfect game is very subjective. What I like obviously isn't what you like. It just needs to be worth my money.. which it is. If it isn't anymore.. I'd just quit. I am perfectly fine with the current job design, something others see a 'a problem', there's no right answers, but 'you people' desperately want everyone to agree so your opinion is validated as truth. So you shit on people that just like the game for what it is currently, calling them big corpo bootlickers or whatever else. I think I treat this game more like the service transaction it is than any of the people going hard at the game for the state it's in and flaming everyone who disagrees. My dedication to this game begins and ends with my sub and whether I get enough out of the game to warrant it. Which I have for the entirety of Endwalker.

[@KokoKrunchs]

Took almost 2 year break from this game and went blasted thorugh EW, finished the MSQ and got 3 magic classes to 90 and within 1 month I didnt continue to resub. Nothing to do, bored af for me

[@SILVERONIN]

Casuals don't make an effort to be midcore or hardcore, boring players man! I miss midcore content that's why I am not having fun in 14 ATM!

[@TheDraco175]

If they don't get their shit together for 7.X there will be a mass exodus of players.

[@ikeaira8701]

Realistically the feedback that has recently happened won't have an affect on the game until 8.0. If we're lucky 7.3 or around that patch cycle. But I hear ya

[@anteprs7908]

no they wont the ppl complaining are a minority of 24/7 tryhard midcore player they arent even 10% of the playerbase.

[@starseekernate7244]

There will not be a mass exodus because of a minority of players lmao

[@anteprs7908]

fact@@starseekernate7244

[@TheDraco175]

@@anteprs7908 You underestimate how many casual players will be gone now that the main story is finished.