Sony 10-20 F4 PZ G: They Finally Did It!

[@sweeperdave1]

With OSS, a lot of potential buyers would have forgiven the slower f/4 speed for darker environments. As such, I think Sony doesn't make a compelling argument, even with the millimeter advantage on the wide-end, over the Tamron 11-20 f/2.8.

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

All of their new lenses are pointing toward them releasing a new APS-C sensor stabilized body. Mark my words

[@hecjvaldez]

@@NathanBuildsRobots Marked! 😉 I really hope so! 🤞

[@Chris-ey7zy]

@@NathanBuildsRobots they need new apsc bodies

[@samipso]

@@NathanBuildsRobots They released the flagship and different model for vlogging. This lens seems to be a perfect fit for those. Low key hoping for next gen to all come with IBIS. I love the concept of these F4 lenses.

[@aikwdl_7542]

@@NathanBuildsRobots Fx30, great call 6 months ago lol

[@metaler4274]

I have the 1018 lens. I don't think it's time to upgrade. 1020 doesn't have f2.8 or OSS... Sony doesn't know about crop body users.

[@liviuvelichi6847]

Exactly my thoughts. I'm sticking with the 10-18 for now, it's good enough for its age, especially if you have a copy which isn't faulty, like Arthur himself has experienced unfortunately

[@andrevaca6700]

They do lol. They're trying to get us to transition to a6500/a6600. Pretty smart business move as people say "well, I could upgrade to IBIS for just a few hundred more. This new 10-20 is cheaper brand new than the old 10-18, so I could put that money towards an a6500...hmm"

[@liviuvelichi6847]

@@andrevaca6700 But at the same time, Sony resumed the manufacturing of the A6400, a camera without IBIS. Their strategy is all over the place

[@NickL0VIN]

Good god I’ve been waiting for a 10-18 f4 version 2 for so long, I ended up selling my apsc system and went all full frame for a better zoom lens selection. LOL. Fml

[@X99Zero]

898USD is ridiculous for 10-18; found a mint condition one for 350USD for that its totally worth it and the OSS works really well on the 10-18. It's mind boggling as to why the 10-20 PZ doesn't have OSS 😕

[@aquinoj99]

Had this on pre-order but the Tamron 11-20 went on sale for $629 (as of today). Cancelled the Sony, brilliant move by Tamron. The 11-20 isn't going to take *that* much more room in my bag.

[@master_]

This lens is terrible shaky ))

[@Super01041994]

I loved the shovel and sand hit on the lens at 1:42 😂

[@TheKentaurion]

Funny indeed. We all saw who really broke the lens hood, but you can’t blame cute Lucas for that. If dad is too close, it’s dads fault. ;D

[@BreezeA]

The look on little kiddo was priceless.🤣

[@razafiarisonmichael4421]

since 2023, ultrawide lenses have been authorized only for 20+ yo people XD

[@AceOfSevens]

ZV-E10 isn't stabilized. It's just the 6500 & 600, which are neither one in production right now.

[@MollyFitzBrown]

Fun that your wife has a channel too, I'll check it out :) I'm debating this or the 11mm 1.8... but I don't shoot in the dark much and want it for vlogging but the 11mm could use digital zoom for a little bump if need be. What would you suggest?

[@Bluesky35102]

Damn I really hope tamron drops the price of their version to stay competitive... That's the one l’d get then, I feel like you have more creative opportunities with the 2.8 aperture...

[@JosePaoloCruz]

back to back videos! Time to binge!

[@pmart17]

I'd like to see a comparison between this and the Tamron 11-20 2.8

[@lucaandolina281]

Me too!!

[@daisyp2917]

Same

[@Diamondranchfarmstead]

Me too!

[@ElasticoOFCL]

I was about to convice myself that am gonna plan to buy this lens instead of the 10-18mm f4 until you mentioned the lack of OSS. That's a massive dealbreaker for me cuz I was planning to use it for vlogging and my hands are a bit shaky when taking pictures. You planning to make a comparison video between 10-18mm f4 vs this lens? Cuz that would probably help a lot to give me an idea how much of an improvement this lenses are in terms of picture quality! ^^

[@keystonebrotherb]

The wider the lens, the less need for stabilization. Tamron 11-20 2.8 is perfect for vlogging. Go FF and get the 12-24 2.8

[@LZXun]

yeah i dont understand why the tiny 16-50 can have OSS but this one cant

[@ElasticoOFCL]

@@keystonebrotherb Oh really? well I'll go check that out, am probably gonna go with this, 10-18mm f4 or the 11mm f1.8 thou

[@keystonebrotherb]

@@ElasticoOFCL The only lens out of these three that intrigues me is the 11 1.8. I have the Samyang 12 2 and the Laowa 9 2.8. For FF, I have the Laowa 12 2.8. I’m good on wide. I don’t need another f/4 lens.

[@ElasticoOFCL]

@@keystonebrotherb That's fair, I just got into photography as a hobby and videography for youtube. Am planning to buy the Sony 18-105mm f4 used for 300 bucks and one of the ones I mentioned.

[@TheKentaurion]

No OSS? Not for me.

[@KristerAnne]

thanks for the great review! aside from the tamron 11-20 f2.8 though, i think the samyang 12mm f2.0 is a good alternative/rival, too! esp at just half the price of this new lens, don't you think?

[@KristerAnne]

i would however also love to see you review the new 11mm f1.8 soon! more power!

ZV-E10 has no IBIS. It has only digital stabilization or steady shoot from lens.

[@ArthurR]

I count the EIS as a version of IBIS, just one you have to use software on.

[@ActionJ4cks0n187]

missing OSS, would never buy for this huge price with F4. never!

[@EnlightenMewithJoePena]

The montage in the first third of this video was fun to watch. Memorable moments: The shovel toss! ... and "I can do no wrong on my birthday.' 😆

[@artistjoh]

For the ZV-E10 the OSS of the 10-18 is my first choice. The power zoom of this new lens would be nice, small size is good, IF is great, light weight is fabulous, but OSS is more important for me than all of that. If only the ZV-E10 had IBIS because I don't like the crop from the electronic stabilization or Catylist. If I am going to crop an APS-C, I might as well just use the superb IBIS on MFT, because the crop makes the larger sensor about the same effective size as an MFT sensor.

[@陈一峰-y1r]

CROP 4K in low end M43 is almost like a 1 inch sensor or you need buy a GH5/6 G9.

[@skewcrap]

I have a 10-18 and was hoping for something new for a long time. What would be interesting is a comparison @ F5.6 and F8. Why? At F4 the old 10-18 is totally crap. But stopped down to F8 it's way better. Because I use the lens primarily outdoors and stop it down anyway, I'm not sure if the upgrade is worth it. Missing OSS is a huge mistake in my opinion. I would therefore only use it on my A6500 or A6600.

[@Panotaker]

I know you got two bad copies of the 10-18, but I got a good one, and I’m not switching anytime soon. I rather have the OSS. If I didn’t already have one, I would get it.

[@ArthurR]

Its not only that, its the sharpness too. Id love to do a comparison with the new 10-20 PZ and the old 10-18 OSS if I could get one that is a good copy....

[@williamdavidson1490]

I love Sony's PZ lenses, having been shooting on the 18-105 for the past year. One thing I like is the PZ lenses display the focal length (mm) on the screen, no guessing.

[@Ethefake]

does it matter what focal length you're using? take the shot with the focal length you need, no?

[@earljaycaoile5071]

I wish they made it F2.8 instead of F4. It would be an immediate buy from me. OSS doesn't matter to me so much since I have the A6500. I'm hoping Sigma comes out with a 10-20mm F2.8. Tamron already showed their hand, so I don't think they'll be coming out with another wide zoom

[@marumaruko6512]

Sigma would be 12-18 and more compact I guess

[@daisyp2917]

I hope so two. I own the 10-18 sony. But the new sony at f4 is a no buy for me. I hope sigma or any other at 2.8 would be a must buy

[@youuuuuuuuuuutube]

I guess it doesn't replace the 10-18 F4 because that one has OSS, so it's just a choice between OSS and having all the other advantages. It's more of a lens for the future, because at some point there will be new APS-C cameras with better IBIS than the current ones, and IBIS is very effective at short focal ranges.

[@JonMcQueen]

Good feedback. 10-20mm isn’t better,now, than the 10-18mm w/ OSS

[@JustAskThisDad]

IBIS on my A6600 is a joke.. it makes everything worse.. :(

[@Pyndle]

4:29 you're really comparing the size of an F4 lens with an F2.8 lens ??

[@thiagout]

As I really don't do any video work, the lack of OSS isn't a big deal for me (a6300 user). If it was an F/2.8 though, I'd get it for sure. Now I'm debating between this and the 11mm. Or maybe the Tamron, but I'm trying to get as small a kit as possible... Thank you for the reviews, Arthur!

[@c.y.7934]

so what did you eventually get? the 10-20 or 11 or Tamron 11-20?

[@thiagout]

@@c.y.7934 None of these, yet. I got the Sigma 18-50, so I'm leaning towards the 11mm for a nice pairing. It's too expensive where I live though, so I'm waiting for sales, or when I can travel somewhere with a more reasonable price.

[@BreezeA]

I'll go for the tamron 11-20. the 2.8 is still very very attractive. plus they dropped their price to US$650

[@steviebronco1]

Sand on a camera lens! Eek! Looks like u had a blast!!

[@terrystarr3012]

Beautiful work. regards.

[@cestjoel]

i don’t think the sv-e10 has ibis. just the 6500, 6600. :-(

[@kaushaltiwari9773]

The release of these lenses suggests that an Image stabilised APS-C camera is on the horizon with a faster reading BSI sensor.

[@KEHA14]

The 11mm looks so much better by comparison

[@Reinh4]

The lack of OSS is annoying with a lens of f4 considering the fact that the majority of APS-C-Users don't own bodies with inbuilt image stabilisation. A total fail as also is 16-55 2,8 to this regard. A new flagship APS-C-Camera which will arrive soon won't solve this as it will continue that most APS-C don't own stabilized bodies.

[@Tigerfox_]

I don't even think any new body below a6600-pricepoint will have IBIS, since neither Fuji, nor Nikon or now Canon with the R10 offer IBIS at this pricepoint.

[@nothingtobeconcernedabout7477]

I see the PZ 10-20 F4 being less important to upgrade to from a 10-18 F4 OSS. The 10-18 still can get enough use because of the OSS. I can see the 11 F1.8 and the 15 F1.4 being more impactful.

[@JonMcQueen]

YEP!

[@X99Zero]

OSS works really well on 10-18.

[@assassin7250]

a year later now, I'm about to buy zve10, I'm looking for a lens that fit my vlogging and convinence without having to deal with buying more lens and returning. Which lens you think is top notch for this e10?

[@TonysMTB]

Sand flea... I'm pumped to get the lense for the fx30 coming in the mail 👍

[@sleepless51]

f/4 again? C'mooon...

[@sanderbos]

Somebody's been busy...!!!

[@ArthurR]

June 1st will from now on be known as "National Ultrawide Sony Lens Day"

[@JeffCorcelius]

I would have rather had this focal length at F2 with the power zoom and with OSS. I think they only made this specifically to appease all the people who own the Sony ZV-E10. This way the power zoom can be controlled in-camera. I really wanna try one of these power zooms and see how the programing works with the apps.

[@AndreiGrigorean]

Sony really needs a new APS-C camera with better rolling shutter and IBIS. The image quality of this lens is nice, but my god the footage looks bad because of the camera.

[@amitkrupal1234]

Is sony preparing to launch more APSC with IBIS.

[@Chris-ey7zy]

That lens was so over priced.

[@_Lorien]

How does the image quality of the new Sony 10-20 F4 PZ G compares to the old Sony 10-18 F4?

Polish price od this lens is higher than zv-e10 itself. It's about 928$

[@metaler4274]

Does this have clear-zoom? like 18105g lens.

[@mirrorlessny]

clear image zoom? isn't that digital/made inside the camera?

[@metaler4274]

@@mirrorlessny yeah. I wonder it

[@DSD]

Hmm, my E10 has stabilization??? I was sure it didn’t. Guess I need to dive back into the manual! That new 10-20 is impressive.

[@jameschisholm9576]

Electronic not mechanical with something like 40% crop. Need to crank fps up some for video or you get weird motion blur artifacts.

[@DSD]

@@jameschisholm9576 yeah I looked at that as soon as I could and it was a bummer. I guess at 10 it wouldn’t be as bad but on my 10-18 I keep it off. Because I want the wide. Oh well.

[@ronaldlee3537]

I have the 10-18 & A6600, but I use the 10-18 rather infrequently, so I won't be replacing it with the 10-20.

[@Artem-pe3sb]

A question please. Does it change focal length when you turn off/on the camera?

[@ArthurR]

No, it stays where you leave it. Turn off at 20mm, it powers up at 20mm.

[@nguyenduythanh3809]

ugh, i just bought 1120 3 days ago ..

[@johndonaldson5126]

Guess I haven't been paying attention. I didn't know there were two kids now. If I felt the need for a wide lens I'd take a serious look at the 10-20.

[@witterdanwit]

"My lookalike Hoovie". Not only you look alike, you sound alike and even some behavioral qualities are alike. For some reason I ran into a video of Hoovie very late but I immediately had to Google whether you are related 😁.

[@withoutpassid]

I thought the 16-70 ZA was the worst Sony aps-c lens regarding performance/price :))

[@yamacat833]

I wonder how's the sensor coverage on FF cameras? I think the 10-18 OSS is good for about 11-17mm on the full frame bodies...

[@olegvorkunov5400]

Looks like Sony went full war with sigma tamron and others, first with 16-35 f4 for ff, now with this one on crop.

[@yuanyuanintaiwan]

One thing unclear for me is why that 10-20 F4 is so good (I gather that feeling from your and other youtubers' videos). There's quite a few lens on the market that have similar features, not always the same. For example the Tamron 11-20mm F2.8 seems like a really good alternative to me. F2.8 being much better than F4? Or maybe the fact that the sony is 10mm makes it much more valuable to you, because that 1mm of real estate is more important overall?

[@ArthurR]

The key with this lens is the size and the optics. Its an F4, but a sharp and tiny F4. The Tamron is a good lens, just much bigger.

[@Burzcasts]

I would also prefer a small lens than a larger heavier lens on a small apsc camera as I use a small gimbal for video most of the time.

[@yuanyuanintaiwan]

@@Burzcasts agreed, but the tamron i mention is really small though... we're comparing small vs extra small here i believe :)

[@Burzcasts]

@@yuanyuanintaiwan Its still heavier than my Sony 18-135mm at 335g. I mostly use the Sony 35mm F1.80 for video. Its perfect at 155g on my small gimbal. I prefer extra small. :-)

[@JimIBobIJones]

Its because the camera world has gone video crazy. The stabilisation + faster/more accurate autofocus (and less "breathing") on the Sony makes is much, much better for recording videos compared to the Tamron. The smaller max aperture matters less for video as well. For photography, the Tamron is gonna be better with the f2.8 and the autofocus is good enough (unless you are a wildlife/sports photographer or have a lot of other in-motion subjects). That said a zoom lens with such a limited a range as 10-20 isn't really ever going to be targeted towards photographers - two prime lens at standard and ultra wide makes much more sense and will give much better results for stills.

[@Riskbreaker2009]

How does it compare to a full frame FE PZ 16-35mm G????

[@firefeethok_tui2355]

Im with your wife. Those bugs suck, running away is good 😂❤. We know when that lense cover cracked….😂.that little shovel back hand.

[@WEHAVETHISDREAM]

I was close to buy this, but it still sucks. Image quality wise. Still looks like a pulled out photo, on the edges. Man, so much distortion. They were right: full frame wide angle looks more natural. Guess I'll buy the older one. Still f4, BUT WITH OSS, for my little 6300. Image quality can not get worse than this.

[@jimou9657]

Omg, it's so so small, I love it!

[@NickL0VIN]

Said no lady ever…

[@d30gaijin]

Odd, I've been quite pleased with my 10-18 f/4 but then perhaps I am easily amused. 😎

[@WEHAVETHISDREAM]

Same thought: WHY NO IMAGE STABILIZATION??? Should have made it with OSS.

[@mrchops]

-No OSS -Still F4.0 = Why even "upgrade" from the old 10-18 F4?

[@angeldc54]

No, they didn't. Without OSS this lens is a joke.

[@jackhaddow9785]

I remember the 16-50mm kit lens being pretty terrible.

[@ArthurR]

But it didnt cost $900, so you could sort of forgive it.

[@britishrose9417]

As a 15-30mm equivalent it might make a handy landscape lens too

[@lb_projekt]

Zv e10 dont have stabilization...its only electronic and sa every Sony camera, sucks

[@humble_integrity]

zv-e10 doesn't have ibis but it has gyrodata which you can use premiere or catalyst browse to correct for it works well

I am no expert, but when you use gyrodata+catalyst browse, then your crispy 4K video loses pixels and becomes just something sub-4K extrapolated digitally to 4K.. for 1440p or 1080p output it's not a difference but if you bought ZVE10 for that very nice 4K video, then it kinda ruins it.

[@joshua4578]

If only it wasn’t a PZ

[@mirrorlessny]

excellent, about time we get more power zoom lenses 💪 btw nice video mix of review/family trip

[@Diamondranchfarmstead]

Here I am a year later commenting. I own this lens paired with the new Sony a6700 and it’s awesome for vlogging. But I miss the f2.8 the TAMRON 11-20mm offers. Trying to decide which one to go with.

[@neogod29]

those flying ant bugs are probably ant queens and males doing their nuptial flights.

[@ArthurR]

Good to know, at least they didnt bit!

[@sashinger5230]

Nice but not for me since Sony is too late. Already loving my Tamron 11-20mm f2.8 which is freakin' awesome.

[@alwinlee5864]

How's the autofocus on it ? I want to use it primarily for video

[@sashinger5230]

@@alwinlee5864 Got no problems at all! Still a great lens!

[@alwinlee5864]

@@sashinger5230 do you ever run it on a gimbal ?

[@sashinger5230]

@@alwinlee5864 Never used one yet.

[@RockstarCinema]

The 18-135 is the worst zoom lens

[@deeflexstudios]

A moment of silence for that camera shovel smack down 😂

[@arunmaroli]

ZV-E10 has no stabilization for stills.

[@jg_jgjg]

I cannot wait until B&H opens up pre-orders tomorrow at 9AM Central. I shoot mostly real estate on my a6600, and currently use the 10-18/4. I absolutely hate it. It's soft, old, and expensive. I bought the Laowa 9/2.8 and was unimpressed by the sharpness. I hear there are a lot of bad copies out there. Anytime I see all the other youtubers talking about a new lens, I take it with a grain of salt until I watch Arthur's reviews. Great day for Sony APSC!

[@ArthurR]

This is the one to get for real estate!

[@jg_jgjg]

@@ArthurR my copy just came in on the 5th! Just had 2 shoots, the lens is phenomenal! Can’t wait until Adobe makes a Lightroom profile, I did all the distortion corrections manually.

[@JoshuaRegan]

I wish it was a faster aperture

[@gabithemagyar]

My only wide angle lens used to be the 16mm pancake (the original NEX kit lens) with the ultrawide and fish eye converters. id the job in a pinch but was not ideal. I now have the A6700with IBIS and have splurged on the 10-20F4 PZ G and the 16-55 f2.8 G and the 15mm F1.4 G This should be quite the improvement albeit far from a cheap one.

[@kane4013]

That beach looks like it’s in Chernobyl

[@mirrorlessny]

curious if 2010 Gulf of Mexico oil spill effected Galveston, wasn't it the biggest spill in history?

[@donquique1]

Galveston us not the bahamas. It is subpar to many beaches. Partly to blame is the Mississippi River than dumps a lot of turbid water into the gulf.

[@MasoodJamal]

Which these ultra wide angle lenses do you suggest for indoor real estate videography in a low light noisy situation with the Sony ZV-E10 camera ? 👇 1. Sony 11mm f.1/8 2. Samyang 12mm 3. Rokinon 12mm 4. Tamron 11-20mm 5. Viltrox 13mm F1.4

[@arsulaksono881]

Is 10-18 such a crap ? I have it second hand since 2017 and do not really use it that much. Thinking of selling it. On A6000 it is not that sharp, so I get a Voigtlander 15/4.5. Now I do street photography, I start thinking again, 10-18 on f8 should be great for random people shooting / POV. Will probably use it for my next trip to Japan.

[@akirahojo2]

So the 10-20mm PZ needs a gimbal to shoot a stable video? I find the IBIS of A6500 not stable enough. Also how can I test if my 10-18mm is decentred or not? Thinking of upgrading to 10-20mm only if it’s sharper and has better image quality.

[@dalefrolander3583]

I shoot with the a7R3, and have an extensive collection of FF lenses, but I also have some crop lenses for when I'm on a trip and I want to go light. I have the Samyang 12mm f2, Sigma 18-50 f2.8, and Sigma 56mm f1.4. I think this lens would be great to add to my trip collection. I don't care about OSS because my camera has in body stabilization.

[@duchu1987]

It's fit also to A7iv to create video in 4k 60p. So OIS is no need :-)

[@mirrorlessny]

good point 👍 active ibis is pretty good

[@moorsmedia]

It's very jittery in video without OSS

[@donflamingo795]

Man, if only Sony r we lease the mark 2 version of the 16-50mm kit lens with this level of quality, I think a lot of people would be interested in that, hell people wouldn't mind to spend money on that theoretical 16-50 mark II pancake (maybe G lens?)

[@frankfeng2701]

Overpriced for apsc users who would most likely spend less than $1k on a camera body, even though no current Sony apsc camera is worth buying.

[@bunmeng007]

How can sony make it so small? Fuji 10-24/f4 is a lot bigger than this

[@neogod29]

I miss TX

[@robertfontaine3650]

Another meh by Sony. If they want to charge a premium they need to provide fast and stabilized. Nothing wrong with it and I would be happy to have one for free but 750USD for this lens doesn't make me say what a deal, and the feature set doesn't make me say, I need to have this.

[@vvlad78]

Vlog-style videos looks too shaky with this lens. Have to use gimbal or catalyst (in case of zv-e10).

[@eliseogermanstenta]

I entered here looking for an OSS vs ibis on the 10.18 vs 10.20. But still couldt find it.

[@rpgroome]

There are actually a bunch more Sony APS-C cameras without IBIS that you didn’t list. Off the top of my head there’s the A3000, NEX-6, FS 100, FS700, FS5, FS5 II, FS7, FS7 II, NEX VG-100, NEX VG-200, NEX VG-300, NEX EA-50. I know that most of those are video cameras, but since they put the power zoom in this that seems like a video oriented lens.

[@geraldmcmullon2465]

I'll upgrade from my Nex 7 to an A6600 but can't get one. It has been out of stock of several months. I put a deposit down at one place so I can stop watch the web pages to possible stocks.

[@Burzcasts]

Correction - ZV-E10 doesn't have IBIS.

[@razafiarisonmichael4421]

it serms that the lens hood is kid sealed 1:40

[@EricTheCleric93]

Please tell me you went to La King's Confectionery while in Galveston!

[@otjutt]

F4 is just too much. Sigma 16mm F1.4 DC DN C is still a better choice.

[@paulchiu]

Does the rear element move into the lens barrel during focus or zoom in the Sony E PZ 10-20mm F4 G lens?

[@sijilo]

👍🏻

[@coderdyslexic]

Well if I did not get the Tamron 11-20 a month ago I would probably get this one but it's also hard to give up the 2.8 versus the 4

[@ZiSlepovitch]

Same here. Having taken Tamron on a trip and having shot over 10K photos, the f/2.8 comes really handy a lot of times.

[@Chris-ey7zy]

Sure keep your distortion lens

[@marumaruko6512]

@@Chris-ey7zy lol don’t u know how to edit?

[@Chris-ey7zy]

@@marumaruko6512 I don’t. I’m dumb like you. My camera edits distortion in camera