Articulating The Time Alpe D'Huez - Frame to Fun

[@Onigure]

The first time I am truly jealous of a bike owner and also happy for her. Kudos. 🎉

[@Mapdec]

Thank you.

[@ciprian7]

Thank you so much for the video, so so refreshing to watch real people, doing real things and having a conversation, wish to see more of these. I own Time bikes and i am very aware of their supreme quality, finish and precise handling but the new ownership must diversify the line up and build bikes that are on demand, choosing this frame today for a built is like choosing a custom high quality steel frame , you can live with a 1300g frame,450g fork as long as is done right, the total weight comes down to what components you choose, all aero is not that important and build and ride quality are superior to pretty much anything else. Congratulations to Victoria on such beautiful bike and to Paul for building it, sharing it and most importantly keeping it REAL. Cheers and Ride On

[@Mapdec]

Thank you. I think frame eight was 980g

[@ciprian7]

@@Mapdec Yes, the Alpe 23 is close to 1kg but i was making a point how is worth betting a frame up to 1300g and still build a decent light bike with the proper components, enjoying the quality of premium vs cheap ,keep up the good work, i am a big fan

[@stevenaaus]

Nice video, bike, but by "watch real people, doing real things"... i think you mean "professional mechanic fuffing around with internal cables and over-complicated accesories". :)

[@fadrus]

I wish bike makers would think more like car makers when it comes to less is more branding. One badge at the front is all you need. They may be proud of their product but so are Ferrari and they don't paint the word in big white letters on the doors.

[@ductrung3993]

Or 3 of those logos in this case

[@diehardbikes]

Your opinion. Personally I like the big logos. Everyone will differ on this just like Sram vs Shimano or rim vs disc.

[@gur262]

Probably has a lot to do with how extremely similar most bike frames look. Every once in a while they make some fun twist like the newest trek, but you could confuse them for one another. Cars still got the headlights, grills n some more things to be on brand, even with fairly similarly shaped budget cars.

[@williamjewett5068]

Compared to the earlier Time bikes this is VERY discreet… I have a VXS every inch has some type of logo took me 3 weeks to sand the frame down to the naked carbon…lol

[@peterfreeman3317]

Huge Pinarello fan for 20 years. Have 4 total. Next bike with be a Time Scylon. 10x better than a Dogma.

[@batbawls]

The carbon on these bikes is frankly beautiful on its own. Amazing.

[@davidmiller4775]

You make it sound like £3300 is a lot which it is, but for this quality and a good £1000 cheaper than a S Works/Supersix not a bad deal.

[@Mapdec]

Very true.

[@matthew.tamasco]

Great feedback. Enjoy your new ride, so happy for you!!!

[@kylixchi]

Great Vid, thanks for sharing, a refreshing perspective on her riding style. This strongly makes me consider a Time again!! Thanks!

[@paulstuart9465]

The time frames not only exude quality from their appearance. You also know the quality is the same under the skin. In my opinion this elevates them way above the likes of the other so-called elite brands. Hence, the others featuring on leuscher tech.

[@winnmahuron6314]

Loved your video and the ride experience.

[@davidoliver4567]

Great video, so informative. Your idea to throw the bike at a non-pro for feedback was spot on. Vic's feedback was priceless. She was great and thoughtful with her remarks. A bike that is manufactured with care, thought and precision, is well engineered and put together with care (nice job Paul) is precise...as Vic said is more connected, does what you tell it to without protestations or ambivalence. And so glad she liked the pink...I love it. Good to see you guys having fun!😎

[@Mapdec]

Thank you David.

[@Adamishere]

Brilliant video. Excellent to hear your perspective regarding the build and Vic’s enlightening views on the ride experience. 👌🏽

[@Mapdec]

Thank you Adam

[@ericsaari2901]

LOOK and TIME are the only two non-custom bike manufacturers I'd get a frame from, personally. I have a LOOK and it is amazing. I'd very happily also get a TIME. Beautiful bike. I would also ride a pink TIME very happily. Congrats on that!

[@JamieTruth-d2q]

This guy is really good!!

[@Mapdec]

🙏

[@Chenpuisoliver]

It's amazing to have Vic to share her feedback face to face with mechanic. TIME is really solid an stable ATMO

[@martinkroutil]

Love this info from mechanic and rider sides.

[@Mapdec]

Thank you.

[@JamieTruth-d2q]

A lot of the other guys on here (you tube) are all just flogging whatever they get paid to sell, you just can’t trust them! We all know who they are, buying cheap Chinese group sets, etc etc.. this guy is genuinely honest! Chapeau!

[@Mapdec]

Thank you.

[@mpicanza4491]

Thank you so much for this video. I have been looking forward to your feedback on this frameset since you started showing Time frames. I completely see where the value is in the price of them now. Instead of giving up with carbon completely and going back to high end steel, the Time products might be the answer for what I am looking for. Perfectly articulated without the usual Journalistic BS… 😉

[@Mapdec]

Thank you.

[@macanbhaird1966]

Great work! Love Time frames you have done a fantastic job

[@caliniaru1673]

Congratulations, Victoria! It is a worthy choice.

[@sportsrecoveryonline8802]

Thank you 😊

[@davidoliver4567]

yikes, been impatiently looking for this video everyday (yes I know you have been busy), outstanding it is here but would you believe, I'm so busy that I'll have to wait to view. Ah well, just more anticipation...🤩

[@mattttt3057]

I’m a lucky owner of a 2019 Alpe d’huez 21. Rides like old steel (I know as I own a custom built Columbus SL frame from 1988) rails down hill and the difference is the ‘ease’ of uphill efforts….feels easy. I chose the TIME as it had great reviews. Riding no hands is super easy….If I ever buy another bike its a real hard choice between TIME or Officiana Batagalin steel.

[@tonyg3091]

Riding no hands is super easy on any bike tho, it is about the skilzzz not the bike 😆

[@Mapdec]

Easy Tony. I know where you coming from. Also. I have come across bikes so flexy and loose that riding no hands takes a lot of skill.

[@dopeone700]

Mine is arriving on Monday!!! Gloss Black Though.......................................

[@Swoop10]

Great format having a casual chat, Vick was a natural 👍

[@Mapdec]

Thank you.

[@bmwflyfisher]

Great video with ride and feel. I especially like the layman’s terms for the feel so everyone can understand. So, Vic did a great job too! Love her smiles when riding it! Huge thing. I’ve seen multiple videos from people going over the quality, and also Hambini who doesn’t mix words. Time seems like a great quality bike for the same price as the other…Not so quality bikes. Glad the HQ is in Arkansas. Hope they can keep this up!

[@Mapdec]

Thank you

[@SrFederico]

I can fully relate to the understeer discussion. With my old aluminium Cube with a cheap carbon fork and cheap aluminium wheels, it was always unclear where you will end after a corner. Maybe even on the other side of the road or in the banquette. I really had to force my will upon it to somewhat keep it in line. I checked after you demonstration in this video, and that carbon fork could actually work as a contorsionist. Then came aero carbon wheels, and with them cornering got so much more precise. But the real fun began when a good carbon frame with good fork (I checked!) entered the premises. In corners, I now just end up where I want to end up. You go where you look. No more hoping for the best.

[@Mapdec]

Great comment. Thank you.

[@dylangrantz8124]

Yep about the only brand worth the crazy pricing. They don't have one for what I do mostly on a bike now but love the process of the way they build

[@tonyg3091]

There are others too. Festka for instance. And the real good Ti bikes. And of course the Dario Pegoretti masterpieces.

[@simonderoo9189]

Deda just released a new version of the superbox, which supports fully internal cable routing. It looks very neat, but as you said, it's not as practical

[@steppings5645]

Beautiful frame and supreme quality will ensure the cost equates to value over the years and many many miles of use. I am sure it will feel as good in ten years time. Happy riding.

[@Mapdec]

Thank you

[@ariffau]

LOVE IT! Thanks for the video. Now I wonder what Time has up their sleeves for their aero offering, the Scylon! 😍

[@brandonhoffman4712]

Im interested in the time ADHX or ADHX 45. I havent looked into geometries yet. Im about to pull my money from a BMC order as I'm hearing nothing and I'm growing concerned with BMC. Im currently intrigued by a look 765 gravel frame or the time ADHX 45. For me wider tires is better, so im leaning towards the time bike. The time is $500 more, im still looking into things.

Awesome

[@BladeBarn]

Good vid, still waiting for my large frameset to show up for my build video. Have all the parts in for it ready to go. Hopefully be the lightest one of these regardless of size…

[@Mapdec]

Cool. It shouldn’t be too hard to get into the low 7kg with the right wheels.

[@BladeBarn]

@@Mapdec everything I have for it is 4.767g inc pedals, computer mount, 2x bottles & cages etc etc except the frameset so well see. I desperately want it to be UCI illegal in fully loaded condition

[@valmorell]

Just watched this video again and this time something jumped right out at me. I should say at this point that I have a background in composite construction and design, though from the marine industry, not cycles. What Time have done here is to optimise their tube and junction shapes to ensure this frame does what a frame should do, steer, handle, and stop. No compromise which would have been brought about by chasing so called 'aero' gains. Never mind the false nonsense acquired in a wind tunnel, a fine handling bike will pretty much always be faster A to B than a scary handling one. If one is daft enough to consider speed the only metric. Time have given us speed AND comfort. Difficult trick to perform...

[@Mapdec]

Well spotted. Did you see the Kevlar steerer tube too.

[@valmorell]

Is that what it is? It's clear there is an additional non carbon material, colour gives it away. It's a funny old business really. Traditional composite lay up is not really suited to internal moulding. It's best used with an external system where the lay up is visible during the moulding process. With internal moulding such as a cycle frame, an element of guesswork, or maybe dumb luck is introduced. What Time are doing is basically injection moulding with the mould being pre filled with carbon fibre weave. It's extremely clever. It relies on carbon weave being tailored to fit the wax formers rather than random patches placed in the mould by operatives of possibly varying skill. It represents a real value add rather than marketing department bull.

[@tonyg3091]

Aero gains is the biggest marketing gimmick in existence. I mean how many of us can ride 40 km at 50km/h and how important is the 15 seconds saved? I'd much rather ride 40 km at 30 km/h in full comfort and stop twice to smell the roses. I am not in a hurry normally.

[@theillegalimmigrant9314]

There is an error in your video Paul, Hambini BB's always go in from the drive side. I've got several of them and his fitting instructions have always said go from the drive side.

[@10ktube]

I soooo want one, but I can't get the geometry to work for me. I prefer a 74 degree seat tube angle, the Time's are all too slack. I even considered sucking it up and dealing, but it's just not gonna work.

[@wss327]

Incredible looking build quality. How is the ride performance?

[@Mapdec]

Oh. We have quite a few ride reviews on the channel.

[@d3sc3nts55]

The official tire clearance is 28mm which seems a bit narrow on crappy canadian roads. From what I've read, the UK isn't much better - is there a good reason not to get the ADHX instead?

[@Mapdec]

The ADH is still the more nimble and lively ride.

[@florentyna2372]

This video and bike are both amazing. Thank you! I have a question - what height is Vic and which size did you choose?

[@Mapdec]

167cm

[@jdh895]

An interesting video, a really nice frame, and it makes the point that the frame's the most important component of a bike. I don't get on with double tap personally but it just goes to show that a mechanical groupset is still absolutely fine for pretty much everyone. If I wasn't already committed to a bike this year I'd seriously look at one of these with Chorus.

[@Mapdec]

More than fine.

[@chrisbuttine6869]

How did you go about plugging/covering the hole from the removed cable guide. I tried helicopter tape and that lasted until the first rain ride.

[@Mapdec]

Oh. I just made one from Sugru

[@chrisbuttine6869]

Thanks for the video and helpful build Info as I have one on order. I will be putting Alanera bars on tho and using a Hambini DUB bb for it. I’m the video wasn’t clear whether you used retention compound. Did I miss that or due to tolerances not needed?

[@Mapdec]

You can follow the Hambini instructions to the letter. Use exactly the right activator and compound.

[@chrisbuttine6869]

​@@Mapdec Finally received the frame. Installed the BB with activator and retention compound, as normal. Further, as with your build, I needed to insert the BB from the NDS due to the rear brake hose being in the way given the tight clearences inside the BB shell. That is, I was not able to push the hose out of the way when the BB was halfway inserted from the DS as the shoulders of the BB were too wide relative to how the NDS chain stay was fitted to the shell. The bike build was with D2 Force and Campy Hyperon wheels -- you can feel the quick power transfer and corners as if on rails. Previous bike was Colnago V2R rim with Campy 11 SR and WTO wheels.

[@MAGAmaniac1000]

Interesting that quality precision bikes are not being ridden in the pro peloton any more. Shit like Specialized, Canyon, Pinarello, and Cannondale costing 10K + being ridden by pros. When they have a mechanical or crash they just change bikes because it’s fucked. Bikes used to be so much more durable and precise. Today you get a new bike and whoever builds it has to do all the facing and chasing to remove overspray or overhaul a component or item to account for a recall

[@Mapdec]

Good point. It’s a bit different. Pro bikes are so light and stiff they need a pro rider to get the best from them. It’s similar to a pro skier in supper stiff boot, a racing driver in a super stiff open wheel car,

[@m.talley1660]

I think it was china cycling (KZbinr) who was suggesting that what the pros ride is special team-only production for those brands. Your money is buying less well made products but helping the marketing and world tour team budgets.

[@dalearnold3801]

Thanks for the video, pink does look great, Vic’s opinion is what most would say when trying a Time for the first time, thanks Vicki. I wonder how much difference that bike would be compared to my older Time Skylon Plasma? Just wondering if I should up grade, maybe a red one. Cheers

[@Mapdec]

Thanks Dale.

[@byc1013]

That Smith helmet is fresh. What model is it?

[@sportsrecoveryonline8802]

Thank you, I’ve had it a while now. It’s a Smith Trace 👍

[@marcselzer]

I have been looking closely at the ADH and this video was really interesting; in part because it is such a genuine discussion about the frame, and also because I want to understand how it accommodates mechanical shifting. It looks like you ran the cable outer all the way through the frame (hence the hack to the chainstay gromet); is that what you did, and would you have done the same with a 2x setup? Do you think there is any degradation in shifting compared to a semi-integrated frame where the cables enter via the downtube? So many frames are now fully integrated, it seems harder to build a mechanical-shift performance bike - it would be really interesting to get your view on the pros and cons of running a mechanical groupset with an integrated frame. Maybe a subject for a video?

[@Mapdec]

Hey. We have talked about it on a few old vids. Yes. We did a full length of cable outer. You can do this with Shimano front mechs too. Going through the head tube is ok, but it needs to go external to the stem after that. The Superbox style stem works ok. I would avoid going through the handlebar. The radius from the end of the stem and into the bar is too tight. As is the kink as it leaves the bar and enters the shifter.

[@ploegdbq]

​@@Mapdec This is great information. Thanks! The bike turned out well.

[@DieterPullan]

@@ploegdbq internal guide available from ADHX to accommodate mechanical shifting 90002409 along with chainstay cable stop kit 90002410. Just ask for dealer to supply

[@enigma1000]

How different is the ADHX in terms of stiffness, weight, efficiency, smoothness?

[@robertkleemann11]

I wonder how you do to get the correct messurement when cuting the steerer tube. If I inderstand it right the Superbox stem is a bit different from a ”normal” stem when it comes to the cutting messurements? Love your videos! 👌

[@Mapdec]

You don’t need as much gap. We tend to play safe, cut to the line and sand off the rest.

[@SamSung-ej3qr]

excellent video , can this frame take a 2by chainset mechanical

[@Mapdec]

Yes. You just need to ask for the mechanical guides.

[@stefanopassiglia]

I'm surprised they shipped the bike without the fork and chainstays axels. I've seen a few forks and frames damaged during shipping. I'm not sure I understand the use of the 3D printed bottom bracket template and when you mention to wrap around cables and plugging the hole at the bottom?

[@Mapdec]

Oh. They have quite a clever box where the bottom tray is made with a brace. The printed tool was kinda handy because with a one piece BB there is not much room down there. The hole at the bottom would normally hold the cable guide which we removed

[@stefanopassiglia]

@@Mapdec thanks, now I get it, I didn't know the Hambini BB was one piece.

[@drscre]

How did you eventually hack mechanical cable routing? Was it drilling the grommet and continuously routing cable housing all the way through from shifters to the derailleur?

[@Mapdec]

Yeah.

[@paulwilliams4990]

Great looking

[@hughstultz7849]

I have put one of these on my bucket list, ahead of my favourite Trek Domane SLR. I have set a reminder to go and play the lottery…🤔

[@Mapdec]

those are two very different bikes

[@TheNationalTrails]

Good going!

[@Mapdec]

Thank you

[@gregkane8635]

Lovely bike health to enjoy

[@valmorell]

I love that this is a 1x build. A frame this good deserves the best. That is NOT two bits of bent tin throwing the chain between rings.

[@Mapdec]

Oh. I’m going to call you out on that. Total budget is better spent on frame and wheels and use whatever is left over to make the wheels spin. Why should a rider have a lesser frame set because their budget doesn’t reach to an overpriced groupsets?

[@tonyg3091]

Ermmm....I have never had that happening on any Ultegra 2x setup I have had. And I'd rather be dead than seen on a 1x road setup.

[@tonyg3091]

@@Mapdec Given 105 is perfectly adequate, yeah...frame and wheels first

[@perseum]

Amazing bike and great video showcasing it. Do you know of any other one piece handlebars besides the Alanera that would work with the Deda DCR headset? Thank you

[@Mapdec]

Depends how integrated you want the cables. You could make anything fit if you don’t mind some cable showing. Otherwise you would need to search for a combo that also had a 56mm top cap.

[@DieterPullan]

Any FSA / Vision Metro will work with the frame fi you want the full integration. FSA's ACR is same solution. Vision Metrons do have about a 20mm forward sweep so need to take that into account when choosing stem length.

[@ulrikmortensen9426]

I like the TT guy saying i have always liked the Garmin service. Garmin pedals are the most unreliable on the market, year in, year out. Save a lot of money and trouble and just buy Favero pedals in the first place. They ALWAYS work😊😊😊

[@jer21ry]

Hi. Very nice frame, love it. Can You tell me how high is rider in centimetres? Time frames are a bit different sizing in actual and virtual seat tube then more commercial bikes on market. Thanks, take care.

[@Mapdec]

Vik is 167cm

[@agie170hss2]

Tire clearance (or lack of it) has so far prevented me from buying a Time. Would there be any chance of showing (or measuring) the clearance that those Pirelli tires have on the front fork, and also the clearance at the seat-stay bridge and chain-stay bridge? Many thanks.

[@Mapdec]

28 is the max.. Honestly, its all you need for this. The frame does an incredible job.

[@agie170hss2]

@@Mapdec Thank you!

[@vedrantrcol]

Hello. I have some technical questions. Is rear deraileur housing in one piece from shifter to rear deraileur? Do you think that small bending radius in front would affect the shifting performance of campagnolo record 12 speed mechanical groupset? Thank you!

[@Mapdec]

We build them to be one long outer cable. It just needs a little modification. Manual shift works great, but replacing a front shift cable will need the BB removing.

[@jimwilliams2239]

Hi Paul. Love this video - many thanks. You're weight comparison seemed to be between this 2023 Alpe D'Huez and an ADHX. Are they basically the same frame, but with a little more tyre clearance on the ADHX, and a slightly different geometry?

[@Mapdec]

The 2 in this vid are both size S ADH. One with mechanical sram rival. One with Dura Ave.

[@jimwilliams2239]

@@Mapdec Many thanks for the reply. I'd looked at the Time website and could only see the Red frame in ADHX. However, looking more closely, I can see that the ADHX has mounting points on the top tube, which these ADH clearly don't.

[@DieterPullan]

@@jimwilliams2239 Team Red is available in AD23 and ADHX (V26 colour way)

[@saltycycling]

You need some leopard pattern bar tape to complete the look ;-)

[@Mapdec]

😳

[@d_mac3233]

Should be able to knock one of those DCR covers up out of a piece of old inner tube 😂

[@dogukantosun5547]

13:26 oh yeah, erotic music for Hambini BB.😁

[@OliverKnittel]

Sex on a stick!

[@utube7930]

the engineering behind this bike genuinely surprised me. The price is indeed ridiculous - but it feels like a giant leap in quality from the current garbage the top tier brands are producing

[@BladeBarn]

I feel like 4100$ I paid was a GREAT deal, vs 6000+ for boring looking specialized or cannondale

[@Mapdec]

Hell yeah.

[@tonyg3091]

Ridiculous? I beg to disagree. A TIME frameset is cheaper than Colnago, Pinarello, SWorks etc and the build quality is on another level.

[@Paddystyx]

Hi. I ride a Look 765, size Small and I’m very comfortable and confident on it but I am also very interested in the Time ADH 23, so if I was to get a Time would I also be going for a size Small and would I be setting it up the same as my Look 765 or should I get a bike fit for the Time as well. Thank you.

[@Mapdec]

I think they would be similar enough to alter with minor changes to stem etc. If you are UK based, give us a call

[@Paddystyx]

@@Mapdec thanks as always. I’ll be in contact.

[@departurexx1520]

This TIME frame can use Mechanical groupset? LOOK 795 blade RS?

[@chrisr3809]

What size frame is this and how tall is vic?

[@Mapdec]

167cm

[@carsten44]

Thanks again for a great show of the TIME frameset, always informative. I'm considering to build the ADHX, but struggling to find the solution for at clean setup of the cockpit. Where the brake cables run inside the the handlebar trough the stem. The DEDA Vinci might do the job, but its heavy and not really pretty:) Do you think the FSA ACR headset (1,5") will fit this frame? BR/

[@Mapdec]

You can run cables through the inside of the Superbox.

[@carsten44]

Just discovered that the DEDA superbox DCR supports internal stem routing.happy days:)

[@DieterPullan]

@@carsten44 Yep Superbox V2

[@marcinpomorski]

have you tried assembling this frame with token ninja bb? i couldn't get a hold of hambini bb so i ordered token since i've used it in my other bike... when it came to fitting my LBS asked me to drop by. bb goes in the shell, no friction and there is even a bit of slack. i'll measure it, but i doubt it's the frame - it's brand new. we've ordered another bb, but i'll be there tomorrow to check the dimensions. i was just wondering if it's a common thing, knowing BB manufacturers tend to be loose with their tolerances...

[@Mapdec]

I haven’t tried Token but I know Rotor come up small. Time are usually dead in 46mm and that catches a few folk out.

[@bennop.2553]

Excellent frame. But with those big and too many Time logos, it looks dated, unfortunately.

[@Mapdec]

I have to agree. It doesn’t need the top tube and fork logo at all.

[@Onigure]

Go figure... I'd like them bigger. 😅

[@simonstucki]

They are offering a version without paint and logos! I wish everyone did that.

[@jk-hj6ub]

👍👍👍

[@RB-xv4si]

So I’ve been reading a lot of informational resources on RTM (scholarly articles and such) and it’s drawbacks and advantages; not just drinking the kool-aid of Mapdec and Hambini. So one thing I saw repeated was that it does have an advantage of good surface finish on inside and outside surfaces. Some (don’t need to name anyone here) take that to mean an objectively higher quality product. The problem with that thinking is that you can’t necessarily see voids from the surface. Surface finish isn’t necessarily indicative that no voids exist within the composite. As a matter of fact, RTM is a less costly alternative to the pre-preg autoclave method used in all the big name brands everyone loves to hate on because it involves less costly equipment and procedures; hence, Time framesets often cost less than the uber-desirable racing framesets. Everyone is always gasping at the lower prices..well, now you know why. Pre-preg autoclave method actually is the gold standard in carbon composite manufacturing and ensures the least number of voids. It’s the chosen method used to manufacture F1 race car parts, in fact (i.e. cost almost no object), which is very telling. So any gripes about the top brands really come down to poor execution and QC. They are using the current gold-standard process; and it’s not RTM.

[@Mapdec]

There is a lot of layers in this. A good surface finish should be standard no matter what, the method is irrelevant. I think the thing that is impressing me with the time frame is how it feels. It really does ride like a steel frame. It’s quite incredible. This might be due to how Time are blending Dyneema and Kevlar into the carbon sock wrapped around the wax mould. I would love to get an ultrasound rig for frame reviews one day.

[@RB-xv4si]

@@Mapdec agree. That would really sell it for me. And yes, surface finish is important, especially where any bearings, axles, or other mechanical things interface with the frame.

[@timhall7771]

OK, OK, done. Where do I sign?

[@Mapdec]

See you Monday ?

[@1afterthep]

I've got a bike with 2x11 Ultegra mechanical disc and would like to upgrade to the current 2x12 ultegra di2. are there any parts I could keep? brake calipers? crankset?

[@Mapdec]

You could keep the brake calipers, but I wouldn’t bother. Everything else would change. The new calipers are a good upgrade. The pins don’t rust in

[@1afterthep]

ok, thank you for the quick answer. In that case I will just try not to care too much about those two little cables showing. crazy how fast you can go from a owning a top end bike to owning an obsolete ego crusher, haha. nice channel you got going there, enjoying it.

[@KD_cycling]

Surprised by how heavy it is tbh. A dura ace build with all the carbon bling still over 8kg?!?

[@Mapdec]

What were you expecting?

[@KD_cycling]

@@Mapdec For a bike calling itself the Alpe D'Huez that costs as much as these do I'd expect sub 7.5kg and hopefully closer to 7kg. My Ultegra TCR SL disc from 2018 weighs in at 7.5 Inc power pedals, lights, Garmin mount, sealant etc. Seems like the Achilles heel of what is an otherwise beautiful machine

[@Mapdec]

@@KD_cycling quite likely. There is that much difference in the cranks alone let alone the deep rims.

[@x3631]

what size is her TIME ADH ?

[@Mapdec]

It’s a Small.

[@x3631]

thanx

[@AndreasReichl-h5v]

hey; great build! i do have a question on the size as i am thinking about buying a adh disc frame soon. is this a size s frame, i suspect. is this correct? what is the approx height of victoria and whats the distance from middle of the bottom bracket to the top of the saddle approx.? i am 172cm "tall" and think that a size s fits me the best (at the "old" adh 01 i am riding a size xs), but i am not sure if i can get the front end as low as, although it should work out. bb-top of the saddle at my bikes is approx 69cm/70cm.

[@Mapdec]

Hey. Vic is 168 and this is a small. Give us a call at the shop if we can help you build one.

[@AndreasReichl-h5v]

@@Mapdec Hi again, thanks a lot for the answer and sorry for having forgotten to say thanks before. I made my calculations regarding the fit and I it should work out if the Superbox stem does not produce a lot of extra height. And also thanks a lot for your great videos on this channel. Since some months I am enjoying your videos and by the way learn a lot too. Unfortunately I am not placed in your region as I am from Linz/Austria, but if I pass your the region I will have a visit (I really want to go to northern England and Scotland - of course riding the bike and enjoying the great landscape as I have seen in some of your videos). Fortunately I can build up a bike by myself (for a few things I have to go to a local bike shop) and if I have enough time I really like building up a bike. I pretend to build up the Adh Disc by myself. One further question to you: As I read a lot about the pros and cons of integrated cables and as you build up the Victoria's Adh Disc with a 1x mechanical drivetrain. Would you, as a real mechanic, build up such a bike also with a 2x mechanical drivetrain? I ask, because I am still using mechanical shifting on all of my bikes (Shimano and Campag) and don't really see the sense in changing to 12 speed or changing to electronical shifting as I am super happy with the performance of my 11 speed Campag or Shimano shifting. And of, course, I do have a lot of the 11 speed mechanical stuff lying around at home and therefore save money ;) Thanks again for your work, great and really helpful videos as well as your super pleasant and kind manner! And sorry for killing your time too. All the best, Andreas PS: It seems as if we appreciate the same bike brands - I do have an rim brake Time AdH01, an "old" Look 595 Ultra and a Ridley X-Night with Cantis ;) All of them are great! Chapeau to you!

[@Mapdec]

@@AndreasReichl-h5v hey. Mechanical is possible. You need to ask for the routing kit when you order. It is super tight in the BB are for routing so you might need to consider your choice of BB. A Hambini only just fits, it tricky.

[@LakeDistrictcyclist]

I need to stop watching these build videos or I will end up in divorce and you guys building me a bike 😂😂👍 looks stunning

[@Mapdec]

Just make sure your wife always has a better bike than you and it all works out 🤪

[@natures-nomads]

Certainly a good looking bike

[@diegoeleazar9154]

Trek should be watching this since they hate drop seat stays.

[@ericbeech2652]

Could you get a 30mm in the frame?

[@Mapdec]

Of course

[@hen5608]

@Mapdec, so you can fit a 30mm tyre to the frame?

[@Mapdec]

@@hen5608 oh. Not the Adh. You can in the Adhx

[@ductrung3993]

Id love them to release an even more gravel centric frame later: more upright and works for 650B wheels

[@Mapdec]

I think they will. I suspect a new race bike (Scylon) will come first, and then maybe after that.

[@nicknick194]

Did you say this was a size small? But 73 defree head angle? Is that an error? Cheers.

[@Mapdec]

Ah. Maybe. Is the small 0.5° less

[@nicknick194]

@@Mapdec yeah 72.5 and 74 seat angle. Not meaning to be pedantic, I was looking at these in size small so wanted to confirm what I was watching was my size 😄

[@Mapdec]

We have one here to try if you like

[@nicknick194]

Yeah, I'm in North Yorkshire and regularly head across to the Lakes so I will definitely do that! Cheers

[@bikernaut1]

GXP crankset? Why?

[@Mapdec]

It’s what we had.

[@bikernaut1]

@@Mapdec i hope you change it 🤞

[@user-xg2fj5uc2g]

Any issues with brake hose routing around the BB area?

[@Mapdec]

No. It will get tight in there with mechanical front and rear mechs. But fine.

[@user-xg2fj5uc2g]

@Lech Orlowski Had to grind some material away on the "chainstay" in order to run the hose above the BB

[@sankarpai]

Why not show the bb measurement closer? Its fun to see something that important is skipped

[@Mapdec]

Lots of other vids that do.

[@Paddystyx]

Hi, is this bike as stable as your LOOK 765? Thank you.

[@Mapdec]

Not so much on really steep descents, but other wise yes. It’s stability comes more from the stiff frame giving you a very confident ride, whereas my 765 rely on a slack head angle. Come and try if you can.

[@Paddystyx]

@@Mapdec i might just try and get to you. I really appreciate your reply as always. Thank you.

[@arifazhari7598]

As much as the pun intended. It’s “time” and look* for professional giving their honest opinions.

[@cjfetters]

does this frame creak?

[@Mapdec]

No. It is very precisely made.

[@albertmaziarz6739]

anchor my 5.4 tubulars direct mount rim brakes with pedalas cages argon 18 ultimate -pro 52 cm. 710 grams not paintent 310 gr.fork

[@graemeross1998]

I quite fancy a time

[@Mapdec]

Come give one a try.

[@graemeross1998]

@@Mapdec I will do I fancy building the new alpe de huez x I have a kanzo fast gravel bike and I've put 32 gp 5000 on it and run it on the road

[@saltpeppertofu5871]

Pinarello or Time?

[@Mapdec]

Umm. If you’re pushing over 4w/kg at threshold and have a competitive mindset. The Pinarello. Otherwise the Time. Reason is the Dogma vibrates on rough roads and it’s at its best over 35kph when it hits cruise mode.

[@TheClanmack]

I have a Look 765 HM, how do you think the Time would compare to it ?

[@Mapdec]

Oh. Good one. That must pre disc era and what 6-7 years old now?? Hard to answer that to be honest. I think you might find the Time a smoother ride, but a lower more agile ride.

[@tonyg3091]

8.2/8.5 kilos is a bit on the heavy side for what this is supposed to be but then again I guess I could always ride with just one bottle instead of two so it is OK 😀 The quality of this frame is mind-blowing.

[@Mapdec]

What it adds in weight in more than makes up for in mind blowing rigidity and power transfer.

[@tonyg3091]

@@Mapdec No doubt about that. The best bike I have ever had weighed about 11 kilos so I am not one of the weight weenies

[@peteT269]

That seems like a very heavy frame to be honest. I would expect that red bike to be way, way lighter with all those top components, with a frame costing 4 grand. Why is it so heavy?

[@Mapdec]

It’s not very heavy. It’s about 180g heavier frame than a hi modulus climbing frame. Quite a bit of that is the stunning paint work. The rest is all accounted for in how unbelievably stiff it is.

[@peteT269]

@@Mapdec OK, good to hear. I'm thinking of upgrading from my 2020 BMC SLR01 Teammachine. Do you think this would be a noticeably better upgrade?

[@davidcarino6500]

1 thing I did notice from riding so many different bikes is he's right the true European frames may not be as light as say specialized, Trek etc. They are made in the same factory. The true European frames do buzz less! I was very surprised from a C 50 vs Emonda.

[@Mapdec]

I have a customer with a Colnago C50. Beautiful thing in the Italian flag colours. Everytime I service it I cry as it is slowly corroding away at the joints. It’s been repaired a few times. So stiff you almost have to dance on pedals to survive.

[@peteransel2715]

Great looking frame, but you said, "Weirdly" about a half dozen times, regarding parts supplied/not supplied, inability to download manual, etc. That's the kind of crap you'd expect from an open mold, $2,500 Chinese made frame, not a $5,500 European made frame.

[@bengt_axle]

Why go with 1X for a climbing bike that will never see a tyre wider than 30mm?

[@Mapdec]

Simplicity

[@DanTuber]

Would love to take it for a spin in a bumpy car park just to see how special it is. I'd probably aim for every pot hole i could find. 😆

[@Mapdec]

Come and try it. It’s here to ride from the 12th. We have a demo Adhx coming too.

[@DanTuber]

@@Mapdec You'll have to ship it to me. I live on the other side of the world.😂

[@Mapdec]

That’s far 😞

[@DanTuber]

@@Mapdec But worth it 😏

[@gokaygs]

Sounded like "feeling of improved confidence" would have been more precise than "feeling of precision".