Artificial intelligence says sodium phosphate batteries will power the world

[@electricviking]

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[@jeffg4686]

Correction - Artificial Intelligence OUTS the worldwide elite hiding another one from us.

[@synaestesia-bg3ew]

Just a naive question. Are we talking about the same sodium we can find in the ocean or a different type of sodium.

[@jeffg4686]

@@synaestesia-bg3ew - same sodium - different amount of electrons - well depending if battery is charged or not

[@keithhunt8]

Combining sodium harvesting from sea water for batteries, as part of a desalination plants post processing could be pretty cool.

[@devilsolution9781]

how easy is it to turn sodium chloride to sodium phosphate?

[@semaJ455]

I'm absolutely sure you've read far, far more than I have, and I really appreciate that someone has and that they've managed to communicate it clearly and to the point. Keep up the good work!

[@PaulRussell-o4i]

Great thoughts Sam. I also think that Sodium batteries will have a positive impact on Geopolitical stability. Bring it on, the sooner the better.

[@binmanblog]

This is just the start of the battery revolution in 20 years from you won't believe how far and fast they progress.

[@Simqer]

AI doesn't think for itself (yet), it just regurgitates what is said on the internet. So when you say "AI says...." It basically means "The Internet says..."

[@macmcleod1188]

Really depends on the AI. Ai is inventing and testing new proteins faster than teams of human researchers could.

[@ChristopherLeeEdwards]

What proteins? The synthetic ones they want to put in milk? They ones that go into mystery meat? Or the ones for your next mandatory vaccines?

[@johankasandarwi5093]

Same as the people who believe that Jesus Christ is their savoir instead of saving themselves from all the crab around the world. Think for yourself idiots.

[@samuelwikstrom7721]

​@@ChristopherLeeEdwardsprobably they will use it to make new vaccines faster, yes. And it probably should be made mandatory to participate in public life.

[@macmcleod1188]

@ChristopherLeeEdwards I'm sorry that you're incapable of carrying on a civil conversation. Apparently, I must have kicked your dog or something. Google: "a.i. protien research" Medicine, biology, advanced materials research, protein folding problems. They're going to put us about 25 to 35 years ahead and where we would have been. That's going to save lives, make new technologies and inventions possible, and perhaps even extend the human lifespan.

[@igors6593]

Battery development now is like a Petri dish-numerous technologies are competing and advancing rapidly. It’s reminiscent of the IT boom of the '90s, which reshaped the world.

[@freeheeler09]

Whoever can build a 50 kWh, sodium, home storage battery for less than $10,000 will disrupt the traditional electric utility cartels as much as digital cameras disrupted Kodak! A 50 kWh battery hooked up to rooftop solar would be the minimum baseline needed to power a 3-bedroom home and an EV off grid,,year round! Who among you engineers out there wants to be the next billionaire?

[@stanmitchell3375]

I think they will be soon

[@vanthongyen8187]

50kw ??? 5000$

[@glike2]

EG4 48V batteries already cost about that much, add $3500 or more for an EG4 12kPV inverter or similar + misc install...

[@yodaiam1000]

LFP out of China is already much cheaper than this.

[@markumbers5362]

I think the tipping point that makes off grid cheaper than on grid is just a 20kwh for under 10k.

[@markumbers5362]

I saw an interview with Shirley Meng about a year ago. She stated her main focus was on helping battery manufactures scale up sodium iron. She said they could do everything that lithium could but at a significantly lower cost.

[@macmcleod1188]

Did they solve the size problem then? I thought Sodium Iron was for neighborhoods but not for cars and small vehicles because it was heavy?

[@RedRouge-j4j]

​ @macmcleod1188 Sodium Ion or Sodium Fe? (cf LiFeP ?)

[@Mark-l9k9q]

​@@macmcleod1188 Indeed. Sodium Ion batteries have a low energy density, meaning they need to be larger than their lithium equivalent. Not only that but, they don't have as long a lifespan. At the moment solid state batteries seem to be the way forward but the truth is, batteries are an ancient technology that have never been a great way to store energy.

[@macmcleod1188]

@@Mark-l9k9q Oh, I think the sodium ion batteries are going to improve rapidly. It's such a new technology. What is it now, 2 or 3 years old? My question was specifically about the weight/size factor of the Sodium Iron batteries because I had the impression they were more suitable for Home and Neighborhood applications than for vehicles.

[@MrChakra108]

​@@Mark-l9k9qLife span? Check Natron (US) or Faradion (UK) sodium ion providers, they claim 10s of thousands of cycles.

[@JoeSimonsen]

Still seems like Sodium batteries are a better choice for grid storage purposes, opening up that Lithium battery for EV usage.

[@MrChakra108]

Not really. It's all down to costs. Na is always going to be cheaper. And hence Na, K, Ca, Al, Mg batteries are the future, not Li.

[@JoeSimonsen]

@@MrChakra108 I'm fine with it. Just need it to do the same thing which is store energy for later use at a reasonable density

[@scriptles]

Sodium Ion and Graphene Aluminum batteries are the 2 that really have my attention right now. I also think range is less important if charge time drastically gets lowered. 30 - 60 seconds to a full charge and if you can get 250 - 300 miles you are fine. But get to where you have 1 minute charge time with 1000 miles and now you are going to be mass adopted.

[@takumithao1992XD]

Thanks for the comment. Didn't know graphene aluminum batteries was a thing, gonna go deep dive that whole subject now lol😂

[@scriptles]

@@takumithao1992XD Right on. I heard some great things about it. I think price is still holding it back since graphene is really hard to make. I love diving down these rabbit holes lol

[@frankcoffey]

It’s not a question of what battery technology we know about today. The idea is battery technology of many kinds will be amazing and will advance at a very rapid rate.

[@timewa851]

^^^^^^^^^^That claim has been made for forty+ years.

[@frankcoffey]

@ 40 years ago batteries were lame compared to today’s batteries and that progress was made without today’s computing power, funding, and number of researchers. It’s going to speed up.

[@Mark-l9k9q]

​@@timewa851 Yep. Batteries are still ancient tech that has seen improvements but cannot, by it's very nature, advance to compete with the ICE.

[@mikewallace8087]

@@frankcoffey It is going to speed up to what end ? Warp factor 10 . Batteries do not have limitless advancements .

[@Puzzoozoo]

@@frankcoffey Cold weather still sucks the charge out of them sodium or not.

[@juddmeyers6311]

Thanks!

[@electricviking]

Welcome!

[@tuy60]

Commodity Futures prices can be fairly volatile. Moves are often because someone believes that there will be a shortage. That shortage may not ever actually happen. Current prices have come down but that does not mean that supply will keep up with demand. Whether that demand is real or not. Having Sodium batteries as a back up will help to keep prices more stable because manufacturers can switch chemistry as prices fluctuate.

[@leedilley438]

Great insight on new batteries!

[@gregarnot5066]

Sam, I subscribe so you can keep me on the leading edge You make me look intelligent Merry Christmas to you and your family

[@chuckrogers5567]

Great video, Sam. Thank you.

[@JoeyBlogs007]

The issue is supercharging ubiquity or lack of it. That's the key to sodium battery uptake for the EV industry. If you have 500 kW superchargers everywhere, battery density and thus EV range near immediately becomes secondary and thus not a concern at all. Not in the slightest. If you only get 300 km range from a sodium battery, but can recharge in around 10 minutes, that's not a problem at all for probably 90% of motorists. Most of whom would only rarely make 300km road trips.

[@neilmckechnie6638]

Become a taxi driver to become a £Millionaire 😜

[@ldnwholesale8552]

I live in Australia where 300k trips are very common place. Thatmeans 3 stops to drive interstate, I can do that on one tank of petrol. At city prices! I suggest the Americans may have something to say as well as whatever you read EVs are not their answe either

[@Truecolors326]

A.I. told me this when I asked what will be the most common batteries in the future Based on current trends, solid-state lithium-ion batteries are most likely to become the most common battery in the future, offering significant improvements in energy density, safety, and charging speed compared to traditional lithium-ion batteries, especially for applications like electric vehicles and grid energy storage His whole Pitch revolves around A.I. is so smart.and.told me this....while my results are more REAL AND TRUE

[@johnmacken3880]

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[@DavidPlayfair]

A Very Merry Christmas to you and your family, Sam!

[@williamcrowley5506]

So it can come from sea water, so reducing the cost of desalinization?

[@sinoevc]

Very helpful sharing, thank you

[@electricviking]

Cheers, appreciate you watching!

[@pkul9583]

Lithium-ion: Best for portable electronics and EVs due to high energy density and established infrastructure. • Sodium-ion: Promising for grid storage or where cost and abundance are key. • Sodium-phosphorus: Suited for industrial and stationary applications. • Hydrogen: Ideal for long-range or heavy-duty transportation where quick refueling and high energy density are crucial.

[@berndbarty]

Dags för Jul, mate

[@johnflynn110]

I'm no expert but I predicted sodium would replace lithium in batteries to a friend back in like, 2008. Crazy lucky guess!

[@davidnika446]

What A.I. says depends on what's fed in to it. It can be made to say anything. While it is very possible that sodium will dominate some day, we knew this was possible anyway. So A.I said "this" and A.I. said "that". Well, which one? Aren't there hundreds of companies working on A.I.? Why do we keep talking as if it's just one thing? Shouldn't we AT LEAST say WHICH A.I. says something?

[@donniewaltman1877]

I'm running a sodium ion bank for my car audio build 180 ah is good to power 22 k watts and is way safer than other lithium compounds

[@alexd7466]

We've been hearing this story now for 6 years. "it will be ready for production later this year..."

[@klippe]

i have long stated that sodium was the way to go it . the thing they need to look at is the annode and cathode material for enhanced speed and storage capacity. flight looks well possible for large aircraft now. it was research that got us here

[@clavo3352]

This is great news Sam Evans ! I'm 70 now so going to have to watch my diet so I can last long enough to see the end of the automobile internal combustion engine. Solar powered homes and hospitals cannot be too far off. Farming with more of a printing machine than a wheeled tractor pulled plow. It's time to pay people to learn how to be happy, and dance.

[@dudleymills1427]

2:30 "Australian company has developed a codm battery with an energy density of well over 200 W per kg": A battery is a collection of electrochemical cells and includes cathode, anode, electrolyte, containment, connections, ... the lot. 2:40 "sodium batteries have now hit a staggering 458 W hour per kilogram": That is the energy density of the cathode material only. Not a cell, not a battery. From researcher's paper "an increase in the theoretical energy density from 396.3 Wh kg-1 to 458.1 Wh kg-1".

[@LILEE376]

I hope they will find soon a much sustainable and environmental-friendly battery cell type. If sodium based that it is. They have time to make it better.

[@theenergizer248]

Isn't sodium and phosphate both a byproduct of desalination plants ? The stuff the wash back into the sea.

[@tonyprice1526]

Sodium yes, phosphate no. The counter ion to sodium in sea water is mainly chloride. The main source of phosphate is mining

[@neilmckechnie6638]

Marrying the two is the secret-sauce for abundance. Making desalination plants ubiquitous will lead to fresh water for all and a boon for regreening and rewilding inland islands in the Sahara to create vast areas of food production and biodiversity. In time, vast plains of fertile savannah, in the Sahara, will lead to the proliferation of grazing animals that will return the soil to the optimum bionutrient state and save numerous species from extinction, like the cheetah, lion, elephant, giraffe, rhinoceros, bison, painted wild dogs etc. The return to balance through vast herds of ungulates roaming the savanah to enrich the soil, where their numbers are controlled by predators. This savannah land could encompass the central interior of the Sahara and be around 10x the size of Spain and support billions of roaming grazing animals. The Boring Company would provide underground tunnels for transporting water, with zero evapouration, to huge underground cysterns to build up the water table. Large lakes and riverine systems would return to the Sahara to optimise biodiversity. The amount of desalinated water would be around 1 Billion cubic metres a day. The desalination plants would be run on perovskite hybrid solar panels, wind and tidal power together with Tesla Megapacks for energy storage and distribution.

[@adamkatolik1633]

“Sodium Vanadium Phosphate” not an expert here but the Vanadium part sounds exotic and expensive

[@nicklov1]

Apparently sodium ion batteries can perform in cold climates much better than Lithium based ones. If this is true, and if they can produce sodium ion batteries for ev’s economically, it will have a tremendous boost for ev sales in colder climate countries.

[@stevenbarrett7648]

Interesting proposition as is anything that uses cheap readily available compounds such as sodium. Salt Lake City are going to be happy !

[@carusmike]

When many people talk about depreciation they REALLY do know what they are talking about.

[@billallen275]

Lithium is too scarce for the kind of capacity that we need. This is great news!

[@DanRyan-pq2ov]

Cool, Thanks : )

[@electricviking]

Welcome!

[@vinniechan]

Sodium battery tech is the tech i most look forward to If we are to have green power we need a lot of grid scale storage and lithium based battery will be too scarce and expensive Sodium is cheap and abundant In application where you have a bit reaction time and dont need to rapidly discharge like anticipating grid demand sodium.would fit right in

[@mikapeltokorpi7671]

AI forgets to mention 4% less energy from Sodium ions and 20% less energy density of Sodium ions.

[@adam_nykali]

I can't believe you didnt take up what the anodes and cathodes of those proposed sodium batteries are going to be which are the parts which are more difficult to source of the battery

[@oberstraphry]

Vanadium undergoes a redox reaction too. This may account for the difference hard to tell without the exact chemistry. There is a Canadian company that make vanadium batteries…..

[@PL22-JudgeDredd]

China is already gradually replacing lithium ion with sodium ion batteries. I think in less than 2 years, sodium ion may be used more but it all depends on the cost factor. The price drop in lithium has slowed down the use of sodium. Sodium has better discharge capability but the density is still too low. Should tech improve, then it will be a good alternative. Further, i think it is cheaper to produce sodium ion.

[@DwainDwight]

very interesting.

[@electricviking]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@old_pilot]

AI good at predicting chemical reactions. Believable then that it may recommend Sodium Ion. Both CATL and BYD have contenders. Interesting to see it all unfold.

[@mondaycinema]

I read an artical on solid state sodium sulfur batteries.

[@markyormark7747]

watt hours per kilogram is the most important metric, but I am also interested in watts per kilogram, or the "C" rate of batteries

[@vaidyasethuraman452]

Have you talked of Sakku battery supposedly solid state- may be I missed it.

[@AllisonChaynz]

Can you comment on the fire safety attributes of both technologies?

[@benmcavoy8674]

Sic outro tune Sam :)

[@andrewr7820]

Can you do a piece comparing/contrasting Li-Ion, LiPO and NA-Ion batteries?

[@CARambolagen]

I know that EVs and large scale storage are super important, but could you do a video why the cheap cell prices just won't arrive at the customer of eBikes??

[@brentcowan8077]

GM used these in the 60's developed by Nasa for the space program. PROBLEM is they're only good for maybe 80-100 rechrging cycles before they burn out.

[@josephduvivier3322]

Am I missin something? What about the cost of Vanadium?

[@RichardFooter]

Would be interesting to see what energy / volumetric density you would need for short & long haul flights. I appreciate EV powertrain is more effecient than Jet Enginer powertrain, offset by vastly higher energy density of current fuels, further offset by retaining your takeoff weight @ landing as you don't burn the battery mid-flight. Perhaps, like concord, long haul flights become a thing of the past?

[@neilmckechnie6638]

If Aeroplanes were made of reinforced carbon fibre combined with structural battery packs, then the overall weight could be 50% lower. With a jet engine for take off and to climb to 50-60,000 feet and an electric motor power delivery to half distance and then a coast or glide phase for the final 50% of the journey, would be the cheapest and fastest form of air travel.

[@kenjohnson6101]

The original paper is doi 10.1038/s41563-024-02023-7

[@John-m6e6p]

How do u invest in this Australian battery company?

[@johnwang9914]

Remember that manufacturers still want designed obsolescence. They want you to buy another new car after three to five years. The limited number of charge cycles of sodium ion batteries may seem like a disadvantage to us but might be considered an advantage by the manufacturers, it only needs to be good enough for the three to five years so that the consumer might find it acceptable. Pass regulations that require the manufacturers to allow affordable battery replacements and you might see another battery technology dominate in the future.

[@SarvajJa]

Sodium is EPIC. ALKALINE RULES!!!

[@davidbaker5561]

Once EV’s saturate the market, there will be plenty of charging points, so range will be less of an issue. Then if sodium has a great price advantage, it might well become more popular than lithium.

[@BigVine-m5i]

Have you heard that Honda and Nissan have agreed to merge?

[@AKJammer1]

Unless Honsan gets on the stick with electric it’s just delaying the inevitable.

[@undisclosedthai]

It will be a triventure, that I personally called it MitsuNiHon because it sounds like Three Japaneses.

[@tireddad6541]

He has a video out on it

[@craigmarley5926]

Okay, I only know a fraction of what you do about battery technology, but I do know something about real world usage. Sodium phosphate looks promising when you look at energy density and cost. However there are other metrics involved in the real world. Energy density, cost, longevity, fire hazard, charging time, cold-weather performance, are all factors of importance. You addressed the first three, but here in Canada, the last three (especially the last two) are of major importance to buying or not buying an EV. How good are sodium phosphate in these areas?

[@gervaisarsenault5698]

Well the first version are always not has good has the other ones but the next version will get better. the version 1 is to test the production lignes then you improve them so i am not in disbelief that eventually they will get much much better and the source material are so cheep it will be a big deal in the near future. The future look better every day thanks for the video keep them coming love your work.

[@blue_beephang-glider5417]

Lab research and pilot production for sodium yes... But. What unknown problems will be found as production gets going. Sodium metal heat storage in theory was 98% efficient for solar thermal plants 20 years ago... Where are they being used now???

[@Ryan-ff2db]

Mathematically speaking, nothing is 50x less then something else, unless we go into negative or imaginary numbers. What you mean is 1/50th.

[@timewa851]

don't worry. none of this is happening in Real Life.

[@JoeyBlogs007]

Also, when the battery pack is considered, it's not even close to 1/50th the price. closer to 30% to 40% less.

[@ChristopherLeeEdwards]

Are you sure? The city I live in gets water from the dam at 1 cent for 500 gallons. If you go buy a cup of water at the bar, it can be more than $10, before the tip. That's a 500,000X mark up.

[@Ryan-ff2db]

@@ChristopherLeeEdwards Times literally means multiplication. You used this correctly as in a mark up. The video says 50 times less. It's like when someone says something is 200 percent less. Outside of perhaps a singularity, there is nothing in the universe that is more than a 100 percent less of anything.

[@Ryan-ff2db]

@@JoeyBlogs007 They're talking about total input materials. Sodium is currently 1/120th the cost of lithium. With all materials accounted for 1/50th is probable. You are correct though in that the finished product would be 30 to 40 percent less as input materials are not the largest cost.

[@JohnPamplin]

Even if the energy density was the same as lithium ion,, the fact that it should be cheaper AND have a 50 year lifespan should be the tipping point for that type of battery. Better for grid storage, definitely. Plus, remember where lithium comes from - IIRC, not many places. Sodium is everywhere.

[@albert7311]

Lithium will be directly extracted from underground brine sources, after the brine is reinjected sans lithium. See international battery metals.

[@justinmas299]

Pulling the sodium from the ocean could mitigate the slowing of the north atlantic current. No ice age for Europe, the beavers will rejoice.

[@nicholaspostlethwaite9554]

Believe these new techs only when they are real and common products. Good to know there is more progress but also frustrating that it is not real world for some time after it is first mentioned.

[@ben-l8g2n]

AI learned from Viking. 😊

[@chrisvielle6629]

Regardless of when a new battery technology comes along, it's gonna happen.

[@kurtlowder3276]

its hard to say what chemistry will win in the long run. there are so many in the works. sodium is certainly a contender. the electric viking though needs to admit his credibility on the subject is not something we can fully count on. he is reading media that has a tendency to hyperbolic about every tiny little bit of progress that happens in battery research, and of course the battery researchers and manufacturers always need to inflate their progress to get the next round of funding. I don't mean to sound critical. I love sam. who works harder than him. its just tough to follow because he has had about a hundred battery "breakthrough" videos. it does not matter which breakthrough wins. batteries will continue to get better and cheaper across all the many factors that are important. we will have an awesome "utility belt" of battery chemistries for all the various applications. I think that is the great part. it will allow us to work on a number of chemistries. for now, the lithium iron phosphate magnesium are so difficult to compete with because they are at such a massive scale. hopefully we can count on someone like China to subsidize the ramp of sodium ion so that it can reach as a scale where we get to see its ultimate potential.

[@dmitribovski1292]

For static grid scale batteries liquid metal is the way to go.

[@gregarnot5066]

Sam, I can’t distinguish between your “sodium iron” and “sodium ion”

[@lakshmanprasad2798]

Manufacturers have set up huge facilities to build batteries using current technologies. Wonder if the same facilities can be utilised to manufacture different types of batteries as the technology keeps emerging and evolving and minimise the risk of obsolescence at a super fast rate. At least the ICE manufacturers survived for over 7 decades.

[@mrbig7718]

Could've swore we were saying this a year or two ago, but nooooo lithium was the way

[@JedPotts-jv2ux]

sodium batteries have a good 5-10 years of "early adopter pricing" before they drop in price like lithium did. price decreases happen incrementally as new manufacturing facilities are opened by companies attempting to undercut each other, and they only ever do it by just enough to beat the competition, because that maximises the profit they can make before someone else builds a new factory and undercuts everyone again.

[@yanassi]

It’s possible ai only offered what it gleaned from it’s resources of what humans had said. I do wonder if ai can project possibilities from the elements table?

[@quinwatier4281]

Sodium lithium phosphorus is the best it utilizes similar process and what goes on in the centre of our son

[@WatZ-In-Ur-Head]

Might be cause all the exploding Lithium batteries... another house burned down 2 days ago in Sault Ste Marie , CA from another E-Bike battery explosion.

[@GeoGeo451]

AI does not reason, it simple repeats what people say on the internet. It is a popularity contest. But maybe it will be true, I wouldn't trust the AI on this

[@carpenter3069]

Unfortunately AI just nicely concatenates research papers from flawed human beings. They still suffer from the GIGO issue. If the research is flawed, then the AI's recommendations will be too.

[@DiyOddJobLabourer]

most of the things you mention is great. except when, the cost of edible salt is than subsequently increased due to astronomical demand from Battery cells. We know the sea is basically unlimited source of Na+, and that we have been harvesting NACL from sea and mines. Next question to Ask AI chat.... how much NA+ demand from battery before, the price of edible salt is affected?

[@pucky900]

I've said for a while now... energy will be the next disruption. It's a cool time to be part of it.... like watching Apple show off the first Macintosh

[@sony5244]

If anyone makes 10 kw sodium battery under 1000 US dollars, then this will change the world and even poor countries can afford it

[@AjayTiwari-en9nz]

We already have lithium ion phosphate battery packs available for 100$ per Kwh in China. In india we get the same for roughly 118$per Kwn. So already the lithium ion tech is touching the affordability benchmark. CATL is on plan to release it's sodium ion battery packs this year for 73$ per Kwh. The world is changing fast!

[@daleast5047]

Of course, sodium iron should be preferred as its environmental footprint is mild v Lthium is a deadly metal.

[@alanwhiplington5504]

It's a pointless thing to say because AI doesn't have an opinion. It simply summarises what it finds in the world of information around it.

[@kevinroberts781]

They want to much $$ for them. Sodium battery should be 1/2 cost of lithium yet they cost more.

[@adus123]

A lot can happen in 10 years only reason lithium is doing so well is because we have it all worked out already.

[@11000038]

What ever happened to dendrites. Are they an endangered species.

[@NoelyBob]

They are the next big thing and always will be.

[@lesnypatrol7292]

How it is possible to trade a EV without information about battery capacity ? are there all customers idiots ?

[@whizzo94]

I've seen pictures and videos of Lithium mining and the environmental damage it does. Isn't the idea of EV's to be more environmentally friendly ? Sodium battery chemistry has got to be the way forward IMHO. Do sodium batteries usually have a faster charge rate ? I also like the idea of Hydrogen vehicles, not burning the hydrogen in an ICE, but using it in fuel cells to drive electric motors. Don't know how feasible this idea is though ?

[@MrBrelindm]

Ditching the need for cobalt is lithium's human rights/forced child labor problem because of Cobalt's scarcity. How abundant is Vanadium? How is it mined/sourced? Phosphor is fairly abundant so the chemical bottleneck with sodium chemistry batteries will be the vanadium and it's ethical sourcing.

[@cupofcalculus]

If you ask AI "How many Rs are in strawberry?", Google's Gemeni will tell you there's 1 R, ChatGPT will tell there's 2 Rs. AIs answers are not to be taken as fact.

[@JoeyBlogs007]

I just asked ChatGPT and it said: There are three Rs in the word "strawberry." 🍓🍓🍓

[@hespelf]

I guess we can also say: humans asumptions and comments about AI are not to be taken as facts. That's because we can note AI's flaws and hallucinations at one point in time, but this quickly changes over time, and gets no longer valid.

[@johankasandarwi5093]

Since when does AI have its own Department of R&D to be able to make such a bold prediction! Do not believe everything you ask AI .

[@slavaiershov1008]

Vanadim is more expensive than nickel ~same price as cobalt

[@davroscaan1318]

I'm pretty sure the AI wants carbon-based batteries. 👤👤👤👤👤👤👤

[@tristanderoo]

hahaha spooky

[@tireddad6541]

Elon Musk tests AI by asking about battery chemistry. Thought that was interesting