DATA DISASTER - One of the worst days of my career

[@artisanelectrics]

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[@Tony-fl3rl]

You should tape your cat 6 in both places on your fisher . Just incase you have to pull it back up the wall with the cable on it then it won't get stuck . .

[@timalejandroalm]

Angle drill to cavity (if there is one) and rod up to the loft. Can take a few attempts to get a rod all the way up but at least the damage from failed attempts is minimal. If in a gable wall remove brick and re-bed in afterwards. The Pat box can be carefully cut in after the rods are in place. Network switch in the attic and you’re away. Best to practice on your own property or a test property a few times. Also works from the outside with steep angle up the mortar line. Probably an argument that it violates some reg somewhere but real world sparking and common sense has to prevail sometimes

[@guywilkinson]

I can't believe that people don't move their stuff for you. If I have contractors around, I help them as much as I can to make the job as easy as possible, we are all human 😂.

[@danielhearnden3776]

Nobody moves anything no one has common sense anymore

[@geoffupton]

@@danielhearnden3776 aye its extinct like initiative, manners and thinking! very well put

[@tonyl1984]

Lazy bastids not moving there own stuff 😂

[@scotspie501douglas7]

Guy i,m the same as you I had a carpet fitter in and I cleared the room and he was like wow thanks for clearing the room and he told me the young people are the worst they hand him the keys and go to work

[@russrockino-rr0864]

Same here Guy, but I am also an Electrician, so I know the other side of the coin. People don't move their stuff and then complain because the job takes longer.

[@BarneySaysHi]

When my father build his house, he had added empty conduits to all the rooms in the house. Seeing how much stuff you have hack out here to pull Cat 6 through the house, I think my dad made a wise decision back then.

[@coniow]

Oh! You guys REALLY made my day :-) ! Running a Co-ax cable from the loft to the living room. Dots and Dabs all over the place, NO straight drop down, and doing it single handed you can't watch the hole downstairs as well as feed the fish wire from the floor above. The air was blue a lot of the time. Couldn't cut access holes as the wallpaper was old and out of print. NOT redecorating a large L-shaped living room for 1 hole. Did it in the end, but most of the day to run ONE cable. Makes me feel a WHOLE lot better that the Pros have the same problem!

[@andypaddon8531]

Mixed thoughts about non-trained networking people. Ok - it's not life threatening like gas or electric .... but customer still pays good money to have it work. Sharp bends can reduce data rates (see Krone website for details). Also cables needed continuity and data load testing (burst and thru-put) with an appropriate tester. But the skillset of cable running is pretty much the same. Defo need a star layout rather than any daisy chaining --- will have dramatic effect on speeds. Also fit conduit in tight spaces ready for future fibre installation. Finally needs to provide detailed documentation of cable IDs to customer (akin to labeling a consumer unit). Keep up the good work and great films!

[@Hyperion1900]

Yeah ROYYYYY - Glad to see Reuben still on the tools

[@ScottSmudger]

I feel like you guys need to watch some networking videos on youtube or speak to a network engineer to understand how network lines and switches are supposed to be used, as I believe this job would have been a lot easier if you guys had the appropriate networking knowledge. All individual network points need to go to a router to have internet access. For the most part you would have all lines terminate into a patch panel, from there they would be connected to a switch which would further have an upllink to a router. For this job you could have all individual ports go up into the loft and into a patch panel or switch, then a single line down to where the router is located. However it depends on what the client wants and the performance that they would want to get out of their network. If you're not aware I hope you're using shielded cat6 as when ran parallel to mains cables there can be some interference caused. Love your videos, no criticism intended just some advice.

[@jamesastbury5240]

It's nice to see someone else struggle and think about the times I've had days like this. Glad to know I'm not the only one 😂

[@judebrown4103]

Loved the voiceover work... especially the histerical laughter from Reuben when he was taking the p!ss out of John! 🤣 You know, I think Reuben gets cooler by the day, never seems phased by anything, such a good lad. Looked like an absolute nightmare and it was a shame the clients didn't move their stuff out of the way, just don't know why people are so inconsiderate and thoughtless. Well done chaps, hope the next one is a doddle.👍😅

[@artisanelectrics]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@JackdiyGarden]

When they're being charged £100 an hour I wouldn't expect anyone to clear the rooms!

[@liamcosgrave5410]

​@Jack's DIY garden. That is exactly why you should clear the rooms.....why pay someone hundreds of pounds to move furniture

[@Matt-td9wx]

@@JackdiyGarden sooooo then they can spend more time on the job and charge more ? Mint 👌👌

[@isfiyiywafibc6qaiiiiiiiiii570]

You're fine at wiring but who on earth thought this network topology was a good idea!? You're drilling holes already, might as well just do it properly and actually have separate runs instead of daisy chaining switches for days.

[@Igor-oe5fm]

They made two separate runs, you should watch til the end.

[@JamesScholesUK]

@@Igor-oe5fm It's a poor choice (I assume from the client) to put a second switch in the music studio and route back into the plate though. Just asking for trouble down the line when you have two identical looking ports on a wall wired up for different purposes. Would have made much more sense to put a patch panel in somewhere (maybe the loft?) so it can be clearly labelled up for the next person.

[@matthewmcmullan9669]

We all have those days, it's one of the reasons whilst I'm refurbbing my house I'm installing conduit runs up the walls

[@Dan-Athema]

Always love it when Sparky's moan about other trades messing up electrics when they arent trained but it's ok for Sparky's to do networking when they aren't trained to do it and always make beginner mistakes 🤷‍♂️

[@TeamFoxhoundUK]

What mistakes did they make?

[@lewis94uk]

Yeah but data won't kill anyone or start a fire lol

[@TheMattSturgeon]

I agree with the sentiment, but the subtle difference is that when you mess up electrics it can actually be dangerous. Here it looks like the customer has designed the network and simply asked Artisan to install it.

[@djselectrix1395]

@@TeamFoxhoundUK wiring it like an electrical circuit from socket to socket

[@djselectrix1395]

@@lewis94uk could fk up if he wants to use POE on that

[@teessidecomms]

Can we bring Corey back already? Sick of these Dodgy DIY Jobs.

[@cedard5388]

Only Lee and John are more qualified and experienced than Cory

[@jk-8761]

@@cedard5388 At house bashing ( demolition ) maybe. Follow his linked inn, blew my mind how he can be 25 and done so much.

[@madgebishop5409]

Corey is too busy making drivable tool boxes 🤣

[@roydowling2542]

​@@madgebishop5409 we all want one

[@perryoffler4802]

I’d recommend getting a floor to ceiling pole to attach your laser to if it’s magnetic. Honestly such a nifty piece of equipment that saves so much time setting up also just use electrical tape to attach the holesaw to the bit it would save losing it in future! Learnt this from using sub-par 1/4 inch drives for a long time! Hope this helps

[@Mallyhubz]

Dropping the cable down next to the soil stack can usually work quite well.

[@zoidberg444]

Thats how I did it in my house. It gets you to the loft and from there to anywhere you need to get.

[@Silky_boi]

I’m a fan of this style video. Ruben is the perfect voice over for when shit goes wrong 😂

[@wombatomba]

Ideally those Cat6 "permanent links" should be certification tested or at least qualification tested. Termination quality is as important as cable quality, especially for Cat6 and above. Also, as others have commented, Ethernet cables can carry PoE so the assertion that it's "just data" is simply incorrect. Indeed, if the client is into media production, many of the network devices in those applications require PoE.

[@Martin_Martin_Martin_1]

They should all be separate runs back to the main network switch, not in and out like a ring main circuit

[@Igor-oe5fm]

They are, you should watch the video

[@ToolTimeToday]

Can't get over how lazy some people are at not moving belonging's for people coming in to the home to do some quality work for them. i had all the radiators changed in my home and i moved everything for the contractors as i'm good like that. Also what a day you must have had with all those metal stud wall's, What a mare. i hated doing domestic work like this because of how cautious you have to be on not to damage anything. good job guys.

[@Chris_In_Texas]

Back in my network wiring days that is why I got of out residential, and focused on commercial and industrial wiring. Drop ceilings are so much easier to do! Keep up the good work. Note to video editors: I do like to the format change as well. I am "not" a fan of all the slow motion music section cuts, as there were so many in the previous videos. 👍🤠

[@paul_smith66]

They are sound diffusers that you want at your first and second reflection points, including the ceiling.

[@black.phoenix.]

There it is, a creative way of turning a otherwise normal job into something so enjoyable. Love the voice over, John some days are like these. One day I broke 2, yes 2 flat screwdrivers blades. Broke my old Wera and I always have a second one on the bag just in case. Changed for the new one and later that day broke the second one. No using it as pry bars or chisel with a hammer, just unscrewing some stubborn (and very stuck) screws. At least Wera replaced the new one since it was not supposed to happen that in a new screwdriver... Some days we should just stay at home under the blankets...

[@artisanelectrics]

Glad you liked it! We're trying something new 👌

[@chrisgoodwin3617]

Wow guys I really felt for you on this one. Your grit and determination shone through like a million candle Night Sun. I would say that, although the apprentice doesn't have the responsibility, Reuben is a calming guy and really showed what a great asset he is on this nightmare job. Great video. Chris, Northampton.

[@patriciamenhennett2035]

I'm sorry, guys... As a data tech in Australia, l don't install electrical wires. Data wiring is so different to power wiring with strict separation rules for safety and to eliminate interference due to emf or induction. I suggest you employ a communications tech or pass the job on. Love you guys, but you are bringing tears to my eyes. I can't watch any more..

[@davidfreeman4625]

WiFi is great, that's why I just had a heap of cat6E ethernet ports installed at home. WiFi for phones but hard-wire everything else. No issues.

[@petertallowin6406]

It was interesting seeing you guys do something that is not your data day job....... 😉

[@alistairnewman7615]

Never run single Cat5E/6 to an outlet, always duals. Guaranteed another on will required later on.

[@tryp1cac340]

as a IT Infrastructure engineer who does a lot of Copper and fibre data, this video was painful :D, also the datajacks are called keystones

[@TheRehoboth76]

Normally love your content. Why is it when electricians running data cables they always look like fish out of water? If you're running CAT6a cables should always use foil shielded to cut out electrical interferance, for runs of 30m or less you can get 10Gb data rates. Like others have said, avoid daisy chaining switches, just run a cable from the router/switch to every point you need if possible. Finally, if you're going to run data I'd have thought you'd use high end modules and face plates, they make the install look so much better, try metal Krone connectors (from Excel) as these don't break over time. Still love your other content though 🙂

[@durvius2657]

15:50 Like a true camera man, he does not interfere with nature.

[@cinemasbyjames]

We end up doing the same sort of thing routing data in finished houses. New builds with jumbo stud are a nightmare for drywall screws catching on the cat6 and shredding it. Ball & chain attachment is your best friend when routing cables on new builds

[@johnavery15]

Love, love this voiceover style. Something new and different. ❤

[@Anthraxnz64]

I feel your pain, I just finished 18 runs of cat6 in my 1974 built house. Access was easy but still a nightmare... so i can only imagine this job lol

[@Cheezy083]

As a network engineer.... that was hard to watch. But I love your videos even so!!

[@dansummers2965]

That foam's for sound-deadening, specifically echo-reduction. Lots of hard surfaces in a room leads to little echoes all over, and while you won't hear the echoes on their own it makes the sound harsher and buzzier than it should be. A surprisingly small amount of open-cell foam in the right place will deaden the echo, leaving just the original sound.

[@cedard5388]

Nah, it’s art 😂

[@danf6491]

Wouldn't external cat 6 have been an easier option? I can see why they wanted cable over WiFi with all that metal in the walls. Oh and that dab at the top of the wall is usually used as a fireblock , random dabs in places but usually a full run around the whole.perimeter of the board (although it's really ever done) glad to see you got there in the end . Yeah royyyyyy!

[@firestormv01]

Wow, that's really interesting! I've always wondered on how data cabling is run with the differences between US and UK houses as US usually uses sheetrock for interior wall surfaces and the UK usually uses lath and plaster. Thank you for the perspective from across the pond! Although we're a world apart, there are many commonalities: - If you don't leave a tab on your tape/rod you're a bad person. - Attics are always faster. - Two story houses suck for running cables! If you have the opportunity, a borescope camera is a significant quality of life improvement as it can get to places in wall cavities where phones can't go (and you might be able to use it to retrieve your lost bit!)

[@gbexpatcornishman3004]

UK usually uses lath and plaster? In historic properties > ~ 60 - 70 years old perhaps; not in more modern property!

[@xxxyyy9544]

Maybe make a pilot hole to feel what`s behind the plasterboard instead of going Gung-Ho with the hole cutter and creating a Swiss cheese art work to compliment the acoustic panels.

[@cedard5388]

Voice over caught me off guard, but think you can hear when they started getting more comfortable, and I started to like it

[@artisanelectrics]

It's something new! guys are enjoying doing them the more we do!

[@danieljadorie829]

Watching residential electricians and all the craziness they have to deal with trying to get a cable somewhere is astonishing.

[@muttlymoo]

I feel your pain.. Some days you have luck.. some days everything is a pain in the arse and goes wrong

[@ronanotoole1973]

We had work completed in our house recently and I completely emptied ALL rooms for the tradesmen. Ye have yer job to complete, why should ye be furnish movers too - BAD form. I'm a infrastructure guy when it comes to cabling for data etc., as outlined to yer boss man before - feel free to hit me up - I'd happily help ye, for free. Ye do stellar work lads, MUCH respect.

[@HA05GER]

Job will be charged by the hour likely anyway so just costing yourself more money.

[@Amped-JDS]

This is exactly why Sparks shouldn't do Data and cctv. They really don't have a clue what they are doing or why. Its just a cable in their eyes but it is so much more and anyone in the trade knows you never run a single cable EVER. I am a spark these days but ran a B2B ISP for 15 years until 2016. I have built data centres and surveillance systems for years. And the info at the end about using B was just wrong. Talk about mis information. Stick to your lane guys. your videos are normally informative but this was quite cringe.

[@ForTheBirbs]

Ah Reuben, you've earned another gold star with your movie choice....

[@andreacoppini]

And this is why I told my remodellers to run conduit to my data outlets then did the cable myself… I doubt these guys even did a basic continuity test on those cables…

[@dataterminal]

2:30 I know you said you it's not a dangerous cable, but you do realise these network cables can run up to 90w of power over them if the owners make use of the POE/++ standard, 802.3bt/802.3at/802.3bt.

[@dataterminal]

I noticed you didn't mention any cable certification report done in the end. You really should sign off the install so the customer has a certificate for their insurance/house documents if they sell.

[@havoctrousers]

For data cables? Don't be daft.

[@MrThehyperpunk]

this is why outdoor rated cat 6 is your friend challanging runs i would have checked external routes as well

[@gbexpatcornishman3004]

What, pray tell, is wrong with ' ... I would have ... '; save of course in this case the lack of capitalisation of the personal pronoun?

[@euroluke3905]

As a data engineering myself who installs data daily, I feel your pain lads

[@MrFranKane]

This was just a sparks fever dream... well done lads turned out in the end

[@StuMazza180]

We let an electrician run Cat 6 once...once!

[@guywilkinson]

Well, in the house we just bought, previously an open reach dude had stapled 4 cables over skirtings/architraves over 3 doorways and stairs before reaching 5 bt boxes and 2 wall warts. At least a sparky would attempt to hide cables 🤣

[@JGS123WRPTP]

@@guywilkinson there’s the issue. Openreach.

[@guywilkinson]

@@JGS123WRPTP I don't understand why they can be so bad, I guess it's cheapest fastest method. Once in a commercial property I worked in doing panel wiring, they went diagonally across ceiling with telephone cable because they were short of it 🤣

[@davidjones6779]

Good effort. Suppose everyone knows how old builds are made and know exactly what needs to be done to achieve your goals. Seems new builds are all different. Maybe when it comes to the planning stage/quoting that research is done so that the TEAM knows what to expect and understand its construction.

[@BerkeleyTowers]

Surely the initial visit/estimate goes something “we’ll need access to here here and here…… if we haven’t got access, we’ll be leaving……”

[@barrieshepherd7694]

The Krone gene in me says that if you want those insulation displacement connections to be reliable punch down onto a firm surface not your hand.

[@JamesMCrutchley]

Local architect and building company designed a whole housing development to have conduit for ethernet and expansion built into houses to make upgrades, and let home owners customize after purchase. During home buyers inspections they discovered the third party builders went cheap and did none of the conduit. Said it was cost savings and the lawsuits started. No conduit or customization possible. It was a nice idea but the company that built them decided to cut corners in many ways. They are being sued by a bunch of angry home owners. The houses were also supposed to use special materials to get gov tax reduction. None of the work was done. They used standard materials and again stated it was cost saving. The materials and design required for tax reduction were not used. Looks like the third party construction company is going to fold and it is very common for them to cut corners, use cheap materials, and fail to meet requirements. Most of them do not get discovered until the buildings start falling apart. Sometimes half a decade later. Happened so frequently that local municipalities started doing detailed inspections throughout the build out of new buildings here.

[@LynxSnowCat]

Yeah; I used to put a pieces of scavenged/offcut u-channel on the lip/edge of a ladder; (to keep it from cutting into my shoulder too) but it would "catch boots" and get tossed when I wasn't around.

[@artisanelectrics]

Those old school tricks

[@lehoff]

I put cat 6 across my house myself... well I'll caveat that, I had some electrical work done and asked the electricians to run the cables for me, but I did all the terminations and testing myself. I don't expect electricians to be data experts - but they're good at running cables neatly, safely and quickly. not everyone knows how to wire a patch panel properly either. There are standards for data cables, and it needs to be done properly, whilst it may not cause h&s issues, it has to be done properly, especially if you're paying electrician's rates.

[@benjaminvivar7855]

Every Electrical Company has a John… We keep him around Where’s John ! He’s not done ! Than they ask for a raise. I always try to avoid Stairway walls, they have a lotta blocking.

[@gainmaster1]

John made more of a mess than anything

[@AzrethK9]

Why only running Cat. 6? Especially if it's such a complicated run. I'm running Cat. 7 for nearly all my installs for over 10 years now and it costs almost the same but will be longer future proof. Still a very good video showing all the problems with running data cables on occupied houses.

[@TeamFoxhoundUK]

Did anyone understand that cabling at 16:48? So a Switch in the cupboard goes into a wall port, that goes upstairs to Room A and terminates at another wall port. From Room A, you're going to disconnect the wall port and put on an extender that connects to your new cable, the new cable then goes up through the loft and then goes to the Music Room and terminates at on Port 1 of a 2 Port RJ45 panel. Then from the Music Room, Port 2 runs to the Room B?

[@TheManLab]

Just using more than one switch. Bit of a bodge rather then doing a proper star network.

[@elminster8149]

@@TheManLab Plus it will limit the bandwidth at the end of the run.

[@jamescourt2842]

There bass traps put in try an reduce low end frequency within room if it’s bit too resonate as it’s bouncing off the walls.

[@Alex-xs6ht]

Now that’s a timber yard of a house! And metal yard!

[@keitho77]

The narration during the video is hilarious!!

[@artisanelectrics]

Thanks for the feedback!

[@davidaitken952]

Top tip, carry a bit of blu tack to remove the switch screw covers with zero damage

[@jonathanadams9725]

Really liked the voiceover 🙂

[@webzterd]

Having put 600m of cat 6 through my house, it was good to see these sparkies struggle. That house construction method REALLY didn't help.

[@kieranmccarthy6072]

New builds are a nightmare to fish anything

[@tonywebb9909]

Retrofitting new builds are always difficult. I would do it on a day rate. Call me old fashioned but a 16 MM. capping lid and a steel wire coat hanger would work better.

[@markgilder9990]

Times I’ve moved a cabinet and it’s fell to bits😂😂

[@robk391]

1000%

[@paulfletcher4556]

Tip for magnetic bits etc you aren’t willing to loose is tape them back to the attachment item, may prevent a loss

[@nja1098]

This is why I invested in a hand camera scope. Makes it that much easier

[@rjkelectrical6086]

Taking after BIG John from BOSH TV on KZbin with the voice overs! 🤣🤣

[@tcpnetworks]

This was a fantastic video!

[@artisanelectrics]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@imark7777777]

I dropped think it was a screwdriver or it might've been a drill bit into some concrete block webbing a.k.a. down my basement wall. Thankfully I remembered at some point the next day that we had a ring magnet and some rope. I definitely recommend having a magnet on the trucks, vans, tool bag, etc. and if it's something you can attach a rope to and reasonable size even better.

[@TheMattSturgeon]

Good idea, but I doubt it'd work here with all that metal studwork everywhere

[@smakarl0]

Oh yes, Artisan furniture movers, soon to be artisan electrical.

[@UnfittedNoise]

Crazy how the homeowner made no effort to move anything, quite embarrassing.

[@Fedexkilla]

I usually call them Ethernet outlets or RJ-45 ports as I've heard them also called.

[@prodyn0139]

YMCA had me creasing 🤣 top video as always

[@andrewjameson5918]

A challenging day, Nice

[@steve11211]

Artisan electrics turning houses into swiss cheese.... Most customers would say "I just want a couple of network points, shouldn't take more than a couple of hours... I hate chasing in newer properties, anything with chipboard flooring I avoid like the plague..

[@gadgetman36]

Jordan please buy Rueben some shoulder pads to protect his bony shoulders from the ladder!

[@artisanelectrics]

Will do 🤣

[@paul_smith66]

@@artisanelectrics ...or a gym membership!

[@TKFReflex]

Or just carry them lengthways and rest the fibreglass section on your shoulder instead (y)

[@JohnWatkinsUK]

Or just carry them upside-down

[@stevedavis770]

@@JohnWatkinsUK Or just drag them along the ground. 😁

[@jonathansheppard8875]

Should get a network guy should have done this instead of electricians who don’t know what they are doing….

[@scotspie501douglas7]

great video that customer has too much money with all that tech also a modern house no bloody room

[@KoScosss]

I am getting 1-2 sockets of cat6 in my future home 🙏

[@don1estelle]

You think you had truble Phishing cat6 you should try a Terraced house I had to run a external black cat5 to the Atic to a switch in the Airing Cupboard then find the head of the studs in several places with Nogins in the way to drop the cat5s to ethernet sockets in upstairs rooms!

[@rsforthewin]

Bogies! Killed me 😂

[@zulfqarali905]

Hi John and the boys keep it up you heroes it looks fun 😊 Ali Walsall west midlands england

[@Spark101.]

Data cables have the same rules as power and lighting cables. (In terms of wiring zones)

[@jameswebbe]

I feel your pain

[@andypaddon8531]

Use a little drop of Loctite 222 to secure the bit to the end of the holder - will keep it on but not like concrete,

[@Quuelas]

YEAH ROYYYY

[@artisanelectrics]

YEAHHHH ROYYYYY

[@davidjones6779]

With the keyboard there I would say that is some sort of sound proofing.

[@robjones2011]

Love the new voiceovers - but it does remind me of the game "Hitman"!

[@stevestevo4243]

Not the best advert for Artisan, your vids are normally great to watch but this one came across as 2 blokes who didnt have a clue what they were doing. Sorry guys, like I said I live your channel but just being honest with you.

[@daveedee3626]

I hope the audience learn not to hire electricians to run network cables. This is the least "artisan" work I've ever seen this channel produce and I'd rather run my own than have strangers butcher my home and not care about standards or best practice for Ethernet.

[@theowebsterelectricalservices]

I think John should sneak a ymca dance in to every video 😂😂👌🏻

[@balensydney]

I like the commentary…

[@jockwalker24]

I thought at one point they were doing this as a ring circuit (when they said they were running 2 cables down, one in 1 out) but then I noticed they installed 2 keystones at one of the points. I'm guessing all individual cables run back to a patch panel or switch?

[@TheMattSturgeon]

Looks like the customer had asked for multiple switches daisy chaining off of each other

[@elminster8149]

At one stage I thought they'd gone back 20 years and started installing Token Ring.🤣

[@ThomasHeather]

with the ladder digging into your shoulder carry it facing the other way so the slope of the steps match your shoulder.

[@alphamegansw]

Mate ! 50 mm gap or barrier between LV and Comms ( well in OZ anyway) …. Otherwise potential for power on comma or EM disruptions on data !!

[@barrieshepherd7694]

"EM disruptions on data !" Not enough imbalanced current flowing in domestic power cables to induce any significant level of noise in a CAT6 data cable with differential connections at either end. Aus cabling rules, for data, are to protect the trade from DIY installers.

[@alphamegansw]

@@barrieshepherd7694 mate it’s in the rule book( I did the capstone and have been a cabler and in electronics…and worked with sparkies for 50 years, but I guess you DIYers know differently …..as/nzs3008 section 3.9 for reference…….it’s also for your safety!