That bell wire is probably 'broken' because traditionally, they have a chime/bell as well as a button and powersupply.
@ratbag3592 жыл бұрын
yea both ends will be where the bell was.
@JC-jv5xw2 жыл бұрын
Hmmn. Top class electricians not understanding a door bell circuit? Bell push to transformer = a buzzer circuit. Briefly!
@nolanbrownwig57032 жыл бұрын
Funny that !
@darrenqualters23412 жыл бұрын
Nice vid gents. Are you sure there wasn’t a bell or chime box in between the CU and doorbell push button location ? It’s very unlikely the bell wire would run straight from CU to push button. You were linking it out at CU to test for continuity ? 🤔
@luluboxingtv28802 жыл бұрын
I thought the same
@josephrowley21722 жыл бұрын
11:00 Makes sense to me. It's an accessible enclosure right next to the board, it's pretty easy to find the ring legs if needed.
@alexacb632 жыл бұрын
While there are cases where you don't want to link the earths out because of DIN terminals connecting them together (rings as it makes ring testing a problem for example), IR testing isn't a good reason, as when IR testing your CPCs should be connected to earth, there's never a test which has them disconnected / isolated...
@TheChipmunk20082 жыл бұрын
Yes I always use the separate connector for earths, and bond the metallic box using a separate 10mm earth cable (to take the largest possible current caused by a circuit going down to the box). Hope you did bond the box somehow ;)
@jeffreyfearn56622 жыл бұрын
I just mentioned that, good to know it's not just me.
@socialscene63612 жыл бұрын
@@jeffreyfearn5662 Yes that metal box is an exposed conductive part and should be earthed.
@TheChipmunk20082 жыл бұрын
@@socialscene6361 Either Lee is now going 'of course I did' or booking a return visit (either is fine, NOBODY is perfect. More electricians need to learn that)
@TheChipmunk20082 жыл бұрын
(myself included!)
@lescarpenter1622 жыл бұрын
@@socialscene6361 I am retired now but as a designer I had to make sure that any metal enclosure that held mains power was provided with a dedicated Ground connection. Also had to provide an additional Ground connection for the cover as it was assumed that the fixing screws were/might not be adequate in some way. A bit over the top perhaps but that was the requirements then and the QA were ready to pounce if not present and that included the placing of Green Earth Symbols at the connection points. To comment on another question from someone, was not the change from Plastic to Metal enclosures due to the requirements of Fire protection?
@GavinLawrence7472 жыл бұрын
Nice board, but not enough structural timber removal in this video ! - 4/10
@alsanova2 жыл бұрын
11:21 - Just pretend we didn't see that blowout plaster 😂 Good job, very neat and tidy board change 👍👌
@jeffreyfearn56622 жыл бұрын
Did you do an earth to the metal box? As a live cable touching the metal will not run to earth. Just like doing plastic conduit you can't use a metal lid.
@electrickal12 жыл бұрын
PMSL are you two for real!!?? The bell circuit requires a chime BETWEEN the TX and push. It's clear to see you boys are from the radio frequency era.
@starski45782 жыл бұрын
Great video again, really picked up a lot from watching that. I just don’t get why the customer would opt for the ugly surface mounted FS & transformer over just charging the wireless version every couple of months..
@the_real_hislordship2 жыл бұрын
Instead of the 4mm² to the rings, what about breaking the rings and making two radials on 20A each?
@TheChipmunk20082 жыл бұрын
We often do that for upstairs rings, but only if we find a break
@IronDave1002 жыл бұрын
3 additional RCBO’s would be required. That’s £90. Extra hour or two of labour finding the mid point of each circuit and making sure you haven’t accidentally disconnected any sockets. That’s another £90-£180 (to client). You then end up with 6 socket circuits that need a lengthy description on the label. All this for what purpose exactly? Because ring circuits are no longer fashionable? If it ain’t broke…
@the_real_hislordship2 жыл бұрын
@@IronDave100we don't use rings here. It's an option but never seen. Total socket circuits in this yard is 32 plus 2 three phase sockets and one of those has a single phase socket as well. But yes we were never normal here 🤣🤣🤣
@cjsutcliffe2 жыл бұрын
Nice job! The shallow DoF camera work is a bit distracting at points though! I'm guessing the cameraman has some new glass they are playing with?
@gavowassy76552 жыл бұрын
Don't forget to bond the metal enclosure!
@joeb16422 жыл бұрын
I thought the same thing... previously the din connectors would have done it until they were swapped.
@effervescence56642 жыл бұрын
I still find it odd that CP FuseBox do DP single module type A rcbo's yet Hager doesn't yet, for that reason along I would of considered a double stack FuseBox over the Hager but each to their own.
@dg29082 жыл бұрын
Or Lewden, Wylex...
@heladas902 жыл бұрын
I've just put this fusebox for the win
@joehamilton29992 жыл бұрын
Agreed fusebox also cheaper
@heladas902 жыл бұрын
@PETER WILSON hopefully comes with version 3
@matthewfewings60232 жыл бұрын
11:00 - nothing wrong with bigger single cable to a ring. Isn’t it called a lollipop 🍭 circuit? I’m sure 4mm is fine but I’m trunking I don’t think it’s rated at 32amps
@williammartinculleton58752 жыл бұрын
Back in the day we called it a hybrid ring
@kittsdiy2 жыл бұрын
16:11 We use the one with metal connections all the time in Belgium in industrial and domestic .. difference is we don't need to to any EIRC's for every circuit . Also we do'nt have any order of connecting the earth to the earth bar like in UK . ( needed when you need the isolate the earth of 1 circuit to measure ..) And in this case its confusing if earth's are already connected together before entering the fuse board .. Yello-Green color with no metal connection also existst i think .
@TheChipmunk20082 жыл бұрын
Yes a lot of other countries have a system JUST as safe as ours, without all the rigorous testing requirements.
@jeffreyfearn56622 жыл бұрын
I'm trying to remember if I've seen any, but when using the insulated DIN rail connectors have to use the earth symbol to denote it is for earth.
@TheChipmunk20082 жыл бұрын
@@jeffreyfearn5662 Yes, bit of the ubiquitous g/y tape would work but i wish they'd make g/y terminals that did NOT bond to the DIN rail...
@AllenGoldsmith2 жыл бұрын
4mm on to a 2.5 ring no problem called a hybrid circuit nothing wring with that
@dg29082 жыл бұрын
or a 'lollipop' ring. Sometimes find them where an old 6mm cooker circuit has been used to create a kitchen ring
@Satters2 жыл бұрын
does mean testing not all can be done in the board, need to test ring at joint
@effervescence56642 жыл бұрын
@@Satters Yes, you'd have to test at a ring point because you still need to confirm during any testing that the ring is indeed intact. Preferably from a testing and fault finding stand stand point you would feed a radial from a ring rather than the other way round. The situation in the video though is one of the most ideal circumstances to do it the other way round though.
@andrewcochrane75382 жыл бұрын
One point to bear in mind with your MCB/RCCB is the neutral won't be disconnected in an over current or short circuit condition. Depending on the manufacture's requirements / instructions it can be an issue. There is a different part that Hager have ADA932U - Single Pole & Switched Neutral - 6kA B & C Curve Type A 2 mod wide (36mm) RCBO that may be a better choice in this use case. With the ring circuit it will may will make testing a little more complex and I'm sure most licensed tradesman would figure it out I could can see a scenario where it causes problems. I have no problem with your solution meeting or exceeding the rules & regs, its that by simply extending all the conductors 1 to 1 you avoid the call back should the EV inspector come out and issue you a defect notice (which has happened) and it wouldn't have taken much more work. I try to follow the KISS process as there is no shortage of stupid people out there...
@paulwinfield30702 жыл бұрын
Taking p1ss with amount of adverts
@tomorichard2 жыл бұрын
Lollipop method. It’s shown in bs7671 👍
@TheRealCrAzYShOTTAHD2 жыл бұрын
What a fucking job I would be over the moon with that. I remember seeing the instagram post and thinking the same thing then too
@MrBobmeadows2 жыл бұрын
So neat. I presume the metal connecting enclosure is earthed, somehow? Lovely job.
@OldLordSpeedy2 жыл бұрын
Exactly for this everybody use a metal enclosure for. If you not like saved earth level do you use a plastic enclosure e.g. plug, socket, aso. So many countries change from metal CU's (and products) in the 60's to plastic CU's for more safety to the people. Funny that the UK change now back to metal products.
@gbexpatcornishman3004 Жыл бұрын
In the UK, in many properties the CU is located in a cupboard under the stairs. Electrical fires, often attributed to poor electrical workmanship, are not contained by plastic enclosures. So the logic goes: return to metal enclosures. The wording in the standard, BS7671, is ' ... non-combustible material ... ' if I remember correctly. The intent is to contain potential electrical fires enabling homeowners to escape their property ... and reduce the risk to emergency responders who arrive to effect a rescue.
@brianoneill3502 жыл бұрын
Very neat. Metal box would also need earthing but I am sure it's done
@BlRaidX2 жыл бұрын
the blurred video makes my eyes hurt, he talking about something but its blurred.
@FoxDren2 жыл бұрын
shame the adaptable blox isn't white to maych the other fittings.
@bryanmcnaught61062 жыл бұрын
Ridiculous amount of ads on this video
@josephdavies67772 жыл бұрын
Notification gang 👋
@davidegarga2 жыл бұрын
Logic to do the ring on 4 mm is not a problem and I will do the same BUT on the new fuse dB you are not able to to end to end so for a future find finder you don’t make easy like for electrician Reg a dinn rail need to be instructional because a screw is not foreword so YOU ARE OK but on wego because can be under a accessible place ( wall plaster board ex ) YOU CANNOT DO IT
@barrypritchard23062 жыл бұрын
I have to say you and you work mate do same nice work keep it up 👍👍👍👍
@Sku11Leader2 жыл бұрын
Let me consolidate these two boxes into two boxes.
@ianbird69972 жыл бұрын
Great job you guys love the double stack board 👍
@artisanelectrics2 жыл бұрын
What a beauty!
@Ant867442 жыл бұрын
If you use tuf sheathed or steel armoured cable. You would not require the rcd at the consumer unit. This would also prevent you having no segregation between the 30mA rcd in the board or the built in one in the EV charger. Also make it easier as you will not either have to isolate the ev one turn the function of on the device.
@JayTheSparky2 жыл бұрын
Nice job! Hager double stacker….did you remortgage for that 🤣
@asdfghjkl524722 жыл бұрын
Is that John Travolta?
@grantpatterson14412 жыл бұрын
Gd install, only thing is the trunking lid should have been installed b4 the metal joint box went up, just looks 💩 seeing the trunking lip.
@heladas902 жыл бұрын
Should have gone with a fusebox double stacker and used a miniature RCBO for the hypervolt...
@azioazio64612 жыл бұрын
where do you guys get your trousers?
@kevinpickett72492 жыл бұрын
Lol I love the film studio behind you 3 boards change and a doorbell ( one costly doorbell 🤣) Wago box soooo much easier 👍
@tjscoob272 жыл бұрын
lol 4mm is not 32A
@stephenwillis95182 жыл бұрын
Using 4mm cable is ideal; the cable is rated for the breaker, all your doing is connecting the connection point, using less material, etc. Lee, are the din rail terminals maintenance-free ?
@shooter93152 жыл бұрын
I’ve only just picked up that Lee is left-handed 👋🏻
@neilbissett12402 жыл бұрын
👏👏👏👏😎
@andyclark14262 жыл бұрын
Yous eating again 😂😂, excellent job with the boxes, very neat and yeah if you ain’t doing DIN rail you can be caught out by that earth block, like you say everyday is a school day! I see no issue of running that intermediate in 4mm but I’m not a domestic man, so I’d happily take advice from others, I like the fact you used 20mm stuffers on the metal box, good job lads well done....... did you find the keys??? 😂
@stevejagger86022 жыл бұрын
I still prefer Wago Topjob through terminals in any DIN rail enclosure. Cage clamp connections every time. A well laid out installation. Well done.
@stuartthespark2 жыл бұрын
If that was Cory he would have made good the blown brick on the doorbell 😃
@mcneillmoss Жыл бұрын
good work
@jakes58412 жыл бұрын
11:00 I would say it’s fine, but when doing end to ends would obviously have to do at a socket
@2194jamie2 жыл бұрын
Yeah big no for me I’d like to be able to test at the board as well
@spatrompete26012 жыл бұрын
Could need guys like you in Yorkshire ;-)
@willdean1422 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know why KZbin electricians never seem to use singles between a moved new board and the DIN terminals? Always seems to me like it would be easier than T&E when it's been trunked right through.
@1idd0kun Жыл бұрын
I think UK regs don't allow singles inside trunking because it can be easily open and leave the cable exposed with only one layer of insulation. UK regs are very insistent on always having two layers of insulation at all times, hence the use of "twin and earth" cables which are double insulated.
@OldLordSpeedy2 жыл бұрын
16:16 This DIN-Rail parts are old. In the history all electrician bond all saved earth (green/yellow cable) together at one point into the house in the earth. So they bond all green/yellow over the metal together. In our modern world with RCD/RCBO/aso. we use the saved earth big differently as before. So the companies should sell products with yellow/green colour but not metal bonding to the DIN-Rail. Possible some british firms could produce this product? Funny that other electrician have make same wrong mistake before. 🤗🤣 Yes, no names ...
@rogerbean3932 жыл бұрын
No house was ruined in the making of this video !!!
@Distinctly.Average2 жыл бұрын
Great video but this time the ads were really intrusive. WTF are KZbin doing. At 10 minutes in I had 5 advert breaks and every single one had the same bleeding advert. As for the din rail, I used to use loads of it when building switch gear and large battery backup systems in a previous job. That was over 20 years ago and was amazed to see exactly the same blocks in use. Looking forward to see what wago have done as the alternative.
@OldLordSpeedy2 жыл бұрын
Yes, they with screws are old. Newer one are click'n'pick but same design. They have different small/big products for ampere and cable size.
@Distinctly.Average2 жыл бұрын
@@OldLordSpeedy thanks for the info. I’ve been working in IT rather than electrics for a long time but it still interests me. I suppose.a good design just evolves rather than being superseded
@OldLordSpeedy2 жыл бұрын
@@Distinctly.Average Ha ha ha I start exactly opposite. I start my job-life as IT-computer specialist and change later to an electrician too. No computers works without electricity powers. So I can understand some things with kind "looking over the dish". 🤗
@heladas902 жыл бұрын
*Whispers* youtube vanced
@JC-jv5xw2 жыл бұрын
Neat work guys. I hope that is not the electric van you are charging your drill batteries from? Would be nice to get home the same day!
@artisanelectrics2 жыл бұрын
😅
@smiffysmiffy1232 жыл бұрын
Nothing wrong with taking a single cable up on the ring circuits, but I'd use 6mm.
@shaynemacdonald30512 жыл бұрын
Why would you use 6mm?
@paulmatthews54702 жыл бұрын
@@shaynemacdonald3051 Charge more for it?
@korona31032 жыл бұрын
@@shaynemacdonald3051 Maybe because CPC on 4mm is still only 1.5? So long as Zs is acceptable it's not really an issue.
@smiffysmiffy1232 жыл бұрын
Call me old skool but I asociate 32A with 6mm although i agree 4mm would be fine in this case plus that's what I'd have in the van :-)
@JohnSmith-jk8mt2 жыл бұрын
@@shaynemacdonald3051 4mm twin is actually only rated at 30a when installed in trunking (ref method B)
@glennfilth70332 жыл бұрын
Air tag on your keys and use your phone to find them.
@dac89392 жыл бұрын
Why brother with 3 decades old door bell. Wireless cctv Motion doorbell to mobile is the way
@dac89392 жыл бұрын
@@nickhickson8738 you can turn off when want on phone
@patrickmurphy61562 жыл бұрын
Was there a chime before the board
@fumthings2 жыл бұрын
so, in the thumbnail it looks like the arrow should point right instead of left :-)
@artisanelectrics2 жыл бұрын
It's pointing to the new epic board.
@sRadio-xg4yr2 жыл бұрын
Cracking job, and an interesting configuration for the ring mains which makes sense to me.
@dannyharrison59802 жыл бұрын
Great videos but way way too many adverts on this one 😞
@jimsminimodelsmccrea2 жыл бұрын
nice video but did you get the keys lol
@TheWebstaff2 жыл бұрын
Nothing better to do gang.. ✌️
@theincredibleminecraftbuil90582 жыл бұрын
Great video love it so much and great team work
@williamlowther70512 жыл бұрын
Good job, end result very neat, well done,
@Ben-in6qh2 жыл бұрын
Brung
@philipsmith07522 жыл бұрын
good work Lee and Luke. hope you found the van keys now .
@richrowley83552 жыл бұрын
Very neat board(s) Lee
@Cablesmith2 жыл бұрын
Top job Lee 💪🏻 nicely done
@artisanelectrics2 жыл бұрын
Legend!
@rondo1222 жыл бұрын
that is one nice job guys!
@jamesreid69702 жыл бұрын
Great job Lee and luke 👏
@stevehenke6782 жыл бұрын
Top, top job that my man!
@barrydoherty6362 жыл бұрын
Nice job.
@rPoloBear2 жыл бұрын
Notification gang
@duncanlane222 жыл бұрын
I thought the miniature Hagar RCBOs were double pole?
@justme53842 жыл бұрын
Or are those AFD?
@jamessparks79622 жыл бұрын
They’re only single pole, the neutral remains connected.
@MB-alarms_and-more2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video
@FinlaysFireSystemsElectrical2 жыл бұрын
didnt know you watched artisan matas
@MB-alarms_and-more2 жыл бұрын
@@FinlaysFireSystemsElectrical lol well now you know
@artisanelectrics2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@jamesdyas5422 жыл бұрын
I thought you shouldn’t disconnect the cpc to do an ir test. Surely the neutral could be nailed to a copper pipe that’s earthed and wouldn’t read down with the cpc disconnected? Unless you repeat the test between the neutral and the earth bar and defeat the point of disconnecting the earth in the first place? Excellent videos thanks.
@effervescence56642 жыл бұрын
You should always be repeating tests between all conductors, but if someone was to test IR at the new board without knowing the din rails are on a communal earth bar in the other box any power circuit would throw up a dud reading because of the lighting circuits. Unless you're linking neutral and live to test against CPC. Basically any future EICR will have to be carried out from the box regardless because of the hybrid circuits anyway, as feeding a 32 Amp radial off a ring is fine but feeding a ring final circuit off a radial can be a sod.
@jamesdyas5422 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the reply. So if there was a multi gang switch with upstairs and downstairs lighting circuits that would throw a dud as well? Suppose you could not interconnect the earths. Never thought about it before.I understand ring mains are different. It’s just I see it a lot where they disconnect line neutral and cpc from the d.b. and do an I.r. To me your not testing to earth, just to the cpc in the cable of that circuit. The dentists rooms commonly have a 32 amp rcbo then a 6mm feed to a double pole local isolator then a 2.5mm ring main. Nothing wrong with it.
@TheWebstaff2 жыл бұрын
Shhs this is a quite video..
@mikeypc35922 жыл бұрын
There's this brilliant little feature called a volume button. May help here.
@ShaunOllerton2 жыл бұрын
Lovely job
@artisanelectrics2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! 😊
@kittsdiy2 жыл бұрын
10:50 In Uk you seem to be allowed a 32A breaker on 4mm² ... In some country s in europe nope .. 4mm = 25A here in Belgium . 6mm² 32/(40 A ) 10mm² 63A . (max )
@effervescence56642 жыл бұрын
We have a double standard for 32 Amp circuits though. Traditionally UK power circuits as a radial will be done in 4mm because it's unlikely to ever be at max load. However an Electric Shower, Oven or Hob would be run in 6mm. Then 40 A would be 10mm and 63 A would be 16mm. Just British things. Edit: You can run a EV point in 4mm 32A because of the type of cable even though it may be operating close to max load for the entire time it's on.
@justme53842 жыл бұрын
Finland is kinda 6mm2 = 25A and 10mm2 = 35A
@kittsdiy2 жыл бұрын
@@justme5384 woow even more on the safe side then here in Belgium ... funny
@the_real_hislordship2 жыл бұрын
What about length of circuit? Voltage drop is a bugger.
@kittsdiy2 жыл бұрын
I would not trust that .. 4mm with 32A braker and fully loaded .
@randomcamerajunk69772 жыл бұрын
There are fewer sights more distressing than than in an Englishman in a baseball cap 🧢
@mattw25262 жыл бұрын
So many adverts
@the_real_hislordship2 жыл бұрын
Not on KZbin Premium 😝
@Matt-td9wx2 жыл бұрын
@@the_real_hislordship I haven’t even got premium and I’ve had 0 ads 😂😂
@the_real_hislordship2 жыл бұрын
@@Matt-td9wx it's cheap enough for the benefits. No ads. No wait 5 seconds. Keep playing videos even with the screen off. More downloads available. Can't remember if KZbin Music is part of it too but I have that either way.
@FinlaysFireSystemsElectrical2 жыл бұрын
Nice job there guys, that old mk consumer unit looked pretty interesting with the switches on the MCBs
@artisanelectrics2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! 👍
@andypaddon85312 жыл бұрын
Nice video - good chemistry between these two. Loved the DINN discussion and the attention to detail with the bell wire behind the cement. Keep 'em coming !!!!
@artisanelectrics2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@scottfiddes95162 жыл бұрын
The adverts are getting ridiculous now ££££
@shaynemacdonald30512 жыл бұрын
KZbin premium
@Satters2 жыл бұрын
adblocker
@justme53842 жыл бұрын
@@Satters
@the_real_hislordship2 жыл бұрын
@@shaynemacdonald3051 100%! I love KZbin Premium 😁
@AndrewStrydomBRP2 жыл бұрын
@@Satters and sponsorblock
@andycoulson49172 жыл бұрын
So many adverts. Makes me want to stop watching.
@esuohdica2 жыл бұрын
According to new regs, can you still use a plastic box for the din rail connectors?