artists don't take art seriously

[@Foxfire-chan]

I feel you and no, you’re not crazy. As someone hoping to break the professional industry of art within the next few years I’ve noticed that there’s a lot less videos out there to find that talk about that kind of thing or the skills you need, I’ve definitely found a few of them but it’s so much less than when it comes to simple tutorials for hobbyists and beginners or art as entertainment via something like speedpaints (with cuts in them or 1-3 minute long) or art challenges which are fun to watch, but aren’t really set up in a way to help you find new techniques or processes, (demo videos are best because they actively help you to do that because the artist purposefully is breaking down their process and explaining it). I also find that many of the channels from pro animators, splash artists and others in the industry and not just making a living off of social media as their main line of income tend to bring in a lot less viewers or are super small. I think this might have something to do with the reason your viewer base might be taking things related to professional art the wrong way, it’s less common to find in general but also likely the sentiment of wanting to “go your own way and be different” is probably another factor. When I was a beginner and not an intermediate looking to improve and eventually go pro, I tried my best to ignore the art fundamentals and only do what I was good at until one day I realized that I would never be able to improve if I didn’t practice what I wasn’t good at when it came to art (the fundamentals), I think a lot of hobbiests especially young ones share that rebellious nature and can take it out on people with more experience than them who are only trying to mean well and help them not fall into the same potholes and level up their skill faster. Keep up the great work and don’t let what others on the internet say get you down!

[@divyasoup]

I definitely find that the influx of short-form media across various social media has done this! I definitely think you're hitting the mark here, especially considering that a lot of what I make tends to be on a platform that has a large age variance and is short-form content. This is a really detailed and really appreciated comment, thank you so much for taking the time to think about what I'm saying and responding !!!

[@LillenArt2]

There is professional art video content out there, but in my experience, it's usually long form and behind a paywall of some sort.

[@SamusGunship]

By the end of the video i didnt know what you were trying to say about the title of your video

[@LillenArt2]

When it comes to younger artists, I hope they don't take their art too seriously for a while. I am concerned that many kids / teens feel unhealthy levels of pressure to justify their hobbies by monetizing them or making them a career path. There are so many 13-20 year olds who like art but are so distracted by these external pressures that they forget to just enjoy life creating things. With that said, I think most people are better suited keeping art as their hobby. It is incredibly difficult to take something so deeply personal, that brings you joy and stress relief, and turn it into 'serious' work. If someone chooses to make art their career, I hope they are not feeling like they have to in order to be a real / valid artist. Sometimes an artist is 'serious' and skilled, but they realize art is best for them if it's not a career. (Shoutout to anyone who had to make that difficult decision.) I would consider myself rather 'serious' about my art. The path I'm pursuing is illustration (both freelance and personal projects). I agree it's important to learn Adobe and whatever else is industry standard, but it's also important to recognize that these standards can (and will) change. I remember when Quark and 3ds Max were standard, and I don't think they are used much anymore.. So, I know how to use Adobe CC, but I also enjoy learning new programs; expanding my skill sets and I encourage other artists to do the same. Currently, I use Clip Studio Paint for digital painting. My tablet is also not a standard Wacom Cintiq, but a Huion Kamvas. I think there is more room if you're not in an 'in house' creative position, as long as you can deliver what the client expects. I truly believe the industry would improve if Adobe had more competition in the creative software space. Maybe Procreate can help facilitate that?

[@ceruleanwake8876]

Hey, I agree with you, but ( and I am throwing my take out here specifically in hopes that it helps you feel a bit better about the situation. ) I feel like the dunning-kruger effect is a little in play here, with you knowing quite a bit and others it seems, on the other side of the paradox have the loudest voices. You do great work in my random internet opinion.

[@divyasoup]

Oh, that's a very interesting thought process. I'm honestly not sure I know that much, I've only just graduated (from art school) recently, so I think I'm definitely more on the limited side. With that being said, I do have enough experience that I hope I am skilled enough to talk about all of this! It's my hope to become a professional within the art industry as soon as possible, so hopefully I'll have better thoughts and advice then!!! Thank you for your advice, I think it's a very possible reason for this!!!

[@dali-dog]

Alrighty I just stumbled upon this video, so everything I say about the situation is based on how you yourself describe it here. Forgive the length of this comment lol I just like to talk. I totally agree that not every video has to be catered to every artist, no video can do that. It's fine and good to give advice mainly to professionals or people who want to be professionals, and to describe objectively and realistically things that professionals do or don't do. People who aren't professionals and know they don't exactly want to be should be able to look at your videos, realize that the advice isn't necessarily applicable to them, and either continue enjoying the videos with that in mind or find a channel that is more applicable to them and their art goals. Honestly, I think a lot of hobbyist amateur artists online have just had bad experiences with having their art shamed, being told that they *have* to take and implement all art criticism they receive as soon as possible, no matter how subjective the advice sometimes is, or else there's something wrong with them. There's a pressure to constantly get better and better, people project onto artists that their only goal should be to constantly improve their art with extremely dedicated professionalism, treating every piece of art as something that exists to aid their growth until their art is something other people will approve of, which can indeed cause burnout in artists and make them feel like they're not allowed to take their time enjoying the experience. As an artist who has no interest in doing art professionally, I totally feel this pressure, and I think it's kind of unfair since the only goal I've truly wanted for myself is just to have fun and create things that bring me joy and comfort, and bring that joy and comfort to however many or few others share my particular niche interests, I'm not personally driven by a desire to be the best I possibly can be at the craft. So in general I agree with almost everything you said, however I will say that I don't really like the phrase "artists should take art more seriously". This sentence does seem to suggest that everyone online under the artist umbrella, whether hobbyist or professional since you didn't specify, shouldn't think that having fun is just as valid of a priority. This isn't just saying what you want for your own art, but dictating what other people *should* want. Now, I'll give the benefit of the doubt that this isn't what you meant, I think the idea is probably just that artists should be more conscious of the fact that this is a legit job for many people, but if that's the case then I think the words you actually used were ineffective at conveying this point and give off a completely different idea. It doesn't help that this is the phrase in the thumbnail too. I think the artists who aim to be professionals in the industry should take it seriously, and I think everybody should *value* artists more for what they do, but other than that I think artists online who do it for fun should take it however seriously they want to. In my opinion this phrase is no better than the sentiment you're criticizing-- I agree that not everything should cater to hobbyists, but not everything should cater to professionals either, art should be however serious the particular artist wanted it to be, or however serious it should be for the spaces they really want to find themselves in. For the case of online artists, assuming they're not trying to get into any specific groups, the internet is a space with a minimum requirement of 0% seriousness, and I think it's neat that everybody has a place here. Some people make art for nobody but themselves and people just like them, and that isn't wrong of them to do so, those people don't owe the world anything through their art, other than common respect and decency of course. Anyway, I'm not hating on you, nor do I wish hate upon you. Again I'm assuming that you didn't intend for that to be the message, and I'm not even mad at all because wording one thing poorly is something we are all more than capable of. I understand that it's hard to have every single word get across properly in a video-- there's always gonna be someone who misinterprets you, and I guess that's somewhat the root of all this to begin with. I'm sorry that this situation has put stress on your shoulders and I'm glad you chose to make a video expressing your thoughts on the matter, overall I think they're very valid and that you haven't done anything wrong. I just had my own two cents on a minor aspect of the video as an artist coming to it from my own perspective.

[@divyasoup]

Don't worry about the length, I definitely appreciate the insight! I definitely agree that hobbyists have been pushed around and harassed online for not being "perfect" at their chosen craft, you're absolutely correct about that. I wanted the title of my video to be short enough to catch people's attentions, and then hopefully they'd listen to my video and understand that I didn't mean "all artists" online! My idea is more about artists taking the craft of art seriously, as in considering it a serious practice and not just a hobby. Obviously many artists are not interested in the professional field whatsoever, but I feel like they should be able to accept that some advice is simply not pertinent to them and move on. Hobbyists are definitely a large backbone within art being so popular and prevalent online, and I would never want to imply that they should absolutely follow what I, or anyone else, says. I really appreciate that your comment addressed so many things! It gives me a lot to think about and I appreciate how respectful you were about it! I would love to expand more on this topic in the future and possibly readdress what I said here, but right now I am just finding my feet on social media/youtube as a whole and just wanted to push this out there to the world! I am really happy you commented, it really helps me !!!

[@dali-dog]

@@divyasoup well the thumbnail did catch my attention (honestly I very rarely click on thumbnails like that or art advice videos in general because I recognize that a lot of them aren't really for me) and I was willing to hear out what you said in the video and I was pleasantly surprised to find someone I can agree with. I'm glad my comment was something that could help you and that it wasn't taken negatively. Good luck with your channel

[@divyasoup]

​@@dali-dogthanks, it's good to hear!!!

[@kipuri4996]

imo i believe that a large majority of why people don't "take art seriously" is that for a while, a considerable chunk of the art community voiced their frustrations with middle/high school art teachers discouraging young artists from exploring non-classical styles and techniques of artistry, that there is only one way of doing art and that is through classical or traditional techniques. at some point in the past, even digital art wasn't considered "real art", and the artists having grown up with this teachers who say things like this this ended up becoming art youtubers who say that it's okay to stray from the rules, that it's okay to draw whatever makes you happy. i dont think it's a bad message in of itself, as you said, there is an audience for hobbyists or even artists going through burnout that would find this helpful. with that being said, i do agree that it is frustrating that there are artists who don't take art as seriously as they should, and especially if they're aiming to break into the art industry, and that the art community is sorely lacking resources talking about art from an industrial and professional standpoint. but i dont think it's the fault of the art community themselves, and im inclined to say that the artists should know better than to disregard fundamentals and better techniques in lieu of just doing whatever they want to and thinking that it would be enough to become a professional artist.

[@divyasoup]

Oh, this is a great addition to my video, wow! You're right, I didn't consider how art teachers in middle and high school might provoke this side of people's thoughts! I definitely think art teachers job's (and hearts) are in the right place, like, their job is to teach people the fundamentals of creating, not the hobbyist's methods, but I definitely see how people would resent that. I think it's very difficult for industrial and professional level artists to become content creators because it takes up SO MUCH time being a creative! A lot of the work is under NDA's and other restrictions, so they don't have time to do their job and then make so much content for free! I am definitely hoping to put my two cents into the art community online and express my own thoughts, opinions, and education on social media, so I'm really delighted that people are interested in what I have to say. Thank you so much for your thoughts!