Artix Linux: Arch Goodness Without Systemd

[@WR3ND]

My main concerns with systemd are that it is overreaching and prodding most of the rest of Linux distros along with it, reducing choice. It's sort of like Ubuntu with their Snaps and such. In and of itself as an initializer it seems more or less alright, but it's too needlessly dominating in the ecosystem and in its implementations elsewhere.

[@idokwatcher2062]

It's appauling, but it's a lost cause, this is what GNU/Linux is now.

[@charliebrownau]

The same people pushing SystemD + Pulse Audio are almost all the time pushing - Centralisation + Closed Source Drivers + Corporations along with Censorship , Diversity, Safe Spaces, Feminism, Removing merit , Diversity quotas and speech codes

[@Purjo92]

@@charliebrownau "Censorship , Diversity, Safe Spaces, Feminism, Removing merit , Diversity quotas and speech codes"

[@GMAH111]

@@charliebrownau rent fucking free lmao

[@Atlas-yh6vg]

@@charliebrownau My man, remember to take your antipsychotics.

[@pkmolle]

Artix has been my daily driver on both my desktop and laptop for about a year or so, never had any problems with it and the combination of runnit and the ability to use yay makes it everything i look for in a distro :)

[@crolinuxgamer5231]

I had problems with using regular arch because of some systemd problema that I couldn't find fixes for. Changed to artix linux and everything worls with 100mb less of usage on boot which very important on my system because I dont have a lot of ram. I was also able to install gamemode. Loving artix linux so far.

[@kenba8176]

same, 60mb on idle in tty when using runit. 70mb with s6 but two seconds faster boot time.

[@crolinuxgamer5231]

@@nexusanphans3813 I use bspwm ;)

[@unixdiver]

Can you tell me how to install gamemode in artix?? Bcz as i know Gamemode is requires packages from systemd

[@crolinuxgamer5231]

@@unixdiver you will need to manually download from the aur and install it, if you search it on arctix linux forums there will be an question on it

[@soulofhogwarts]

Those say personally they dont have issue with systemd they either does not have low end machines like mostly would do or does not experienced the problem with it YET.

[@chris-jy7eb]

I agree, trying to edit videos on am2 motherboard is painful

[@MoGuy-zy1gh]

As others have said of themselves, I’m not a programmer, so I don’t quite understand the problem many people have with systemd. Be that as it may, I watched a video on Artix OS (using runit) back in July and thought I'd give it a go. I was pleasantly surprised. After running it as a secondary OS for 2 to 3 weeks, I decided to install it as my main system, and I'm really starting to enjoy it. So far I haven't run into any major problems (no more than I would using a standard Arch OS), and it seems to boot quite a bit faster, and with less memory, than the same system did using systemd. I'm definitely glad I found it!

[@nadirzenith1298]

I tried to use it, but I couldn't install any package. Whenever I tried to install something like Firefox, the browser would never appear on the menu. Was I doing something wrong?

[@simonjesusbeliever3467]

You don't need to be a programmer to understand the problems of systemd. Systemd is bloateded .

[@kenba8176]

Tried artix s6 for fun, my booting times literally went from 15 to 7 seconds. Good video. My dad is using artix runit with xfce, he says it is just like manjaro but faster. He moved from mint to manjaro because i showed him how to use the aur and he needs some packages that is not in debian or ubuntu repos.

[@stop8576]

U have an awesome dad

[@eznix]

Very nice intro look into Artix. The project does supply weekly builds of all the iso's, so you can get an up to date install media that will help with the number of updates to do after an installation. :-)

[@OldTechBloke]

Good tip mate

[@wv1swlamatswl523]

Certainly looks like a nicely laid out desktop environment. Thanks for showing it.

[@jajajajahahahahaja]

I have used artix for a few months I distro hopped from Gentoo but I'm kind of missing it so I might go back. Artix is not a bad distro by any means though it actually really good!

[@Alicia-kd6vv]

This is one of the distros i have been considering switching to. I definitely want to explore beyond systemd. Endeavour OS is amazing in its own right, and I feel like Antix can replace my current Fedora 33 install. I just want to run openbox, and customize it to my liking.

[@OldTechBloke]

Good choice!

[@akhilak208]

Loved this review and your presentation style start to end. Felt very cosy like home listening to this one 🙃. I'm a Linux fan, been mostly working on Ubuntu desktops and run Ubuntu Mate on my old lap, Windows10 on my newer one. But all this while, I've been looking for a lighter, leaner, yet elegant distro, that keeps the Linux spirit authentic. That's what took me to Arch n then to the big "systemd or not" debate and finally at Artix. It's incredible how community is such a boon to newcomers. Thanks again.

[@OldTechBloke]

You're welcome

[@johnjoyce]

Man this is just what I needed. Artix perfectly fits the Linux From Scratch part one, LFS, requirements. Hot damn!

[@johnterpack3940]

It's not a question of whether or not systemd works. It's a question of the motive behind it. The lead dev says his goal is to "own everything between the kernel and userspace". It isn't just an init system anymore. He's trying to hijack linux and turn it into his own version of Windows. There are other options that work every bit as well, are less buggy, and aren't malware. Systemd is a hostile takeover.

[@albussd]

What are those said options?

[@johnterpack3940]

@@albussd a few of them were in the video.

[@albussd]

@Hayden Richmond Thank you.

[@amigaworkbench720]

I dunno what is wrong with using bsd-like init system with everything good that is Arch? Also why would anyone dislike distro for not using systemd? If systemd is really that good, Android (most popular linux based os) would be using it.

[@Jaredthedude1]

Nearly every desktop distro uses it...

[@adamkoxxl]

Also Android is not just "an another distro"

[@amigaworkbench720]

​@@adamkoxxl Linux is just an kernel. And just by doing quick internet search, only difference is license.

[@Winnetou17]

Sorry to necro. I don't know what is wrong with not using systemd. Or why people would hate on that. But, I just have to point out (sorry, I'm THAT guy) that "If systemd is really that good, Android would be using it" is a really bad argument. If Android is not using it, that tells you nothing about systemd or everything else.

[@stefhannington2218]

I think I prefer the Arco arch installer. Currently using the Hefftor xfce spin and its really really good.

[@taidee]

I’m not a programmer so I don’t have as much sense of what the problem of systemd is. Thanks for showing us in the grand OTB review style but on this one I’ll really pass.

[@muhammadosama3358]

systemd is bloat and is the equivalent of svchost.exe on linux

[@albussd]

@@muhammadosama3358 You mean on Windows.

[@leighhorton2806]

Otb good video artix is good. Arco you did before has one advantage for me anyway. Samba works with arco install. Leigh Horton

[@perforongo9078]

For most people, SystemD isn't bad. It does everything in the background, and everything works just fine. On my other computer, I liked SystemD, but on my current computer, whenever something goes wrong, it's always something related to SystemD- so I might just think about trying Artix Linux out.

[@soulofhogwarts]

Artix will be next arch.

[@DCM777.]

For sure not lol

[@OldTechBloke]

Whilst I understand your viewpoint, I can't see it

[@soulofhogwarts]

Technically if arch is "fully customizable linux" why it dont provide choice over init systems. Why we only get systemd init version of arch?

[@DCM777.]

@@soulofhogwarts Because Systemd works and acts the best, a thing Arch saw a longgg time ago!

[@soulofhogwarts]

@@DCM777. I humbly disagree with you on that. Systemd is the worst for the boot time. for shutting down time. for handling services and so on.

[@SenorRossi70]

I like your t-shirt... :D

[@yetanothertop589]

Which room, fully sound proof

[@folksurvival]

Artix is the best version of Arch available now.

[@HelvecioGomes]

Tried it but it has a lot of sound issues. Even in it's forum it's all about sound issues and trying to fix it.

[@OldTechBloke]

That's a real shame

[@idokwatcher2062]

What do you mean? Due to lack of PulseAudio (another systemd abomination) ?

[@user-yo7hz8gw4t]

@@idokwatcher2062 PulseAudio isn't part of systemd and installs fine on Artix.

[@Ax4400]

which linux distro is easiest for as content creation box for newbie content creation exploration?

[@BrucesWorldofStuff]

That is funny, I use a Gentoo Cheat sheet for Sys-V init on MX as I can't remember the command... Lol I have had Spectrwm not build right and LightDm just spits ya back to the login screen. I just rebuilt it again and it worked... Had that happen 2 times in testing my process... This is using my manual install I scripted for Linux Mint 20... Not sure what to tell ya about Dwm issue... Good luck on your search! Love Linux, always a adventure for sure! :-) LLAP

[@BrucesWorldofStuff]

@Panagiotis A Natsis Thanks you for that information, I will put that down in the "Book Of Linux By Bruce"... :-) Ya just got to love linux for the always learning curve... Lol I have more to say on my the Spectrwm not loading but will add it to the other commit... :-) LLAP

[@BrucesWorldofStuff]

@Panagiotis A Natsis Once again thank you for the information and it will go into the "Book Of Linux By Bruce"... The story goes, I do a manual build of Spectrwm for Mint 20 and I DO Not use "Make Install" to install the binary. I made a script that set all the files to the ~/bin and I run it from their. Mint has the real Old Version in the repo I wanted the newer one. Well on 2 of the tests the build didn't work right and Spectrwm would not load and spit me back to LightDm. This happen 2 times out of 25 tests. :-( So I started Cinnamon and ran the command spectrwm in the terminal and it did nothing. Keep in mind this is a stock build and the Spectrwm.conf is NOT configured! So I built it again and when I ran the command spectrwm in the terminal again, I get the output of " Spectrwm 3.4.1 and there is another WM Running"..! So I gave it another go and SpectrWm loaded from LightDm... :-D This worked both times... Lol Btw I don't use the default bar, I use a conky. Lol I use the Ubuntu mono fonts in the .conf file and things seem to work.. If you are interested you can go at look at my project on my Github. github.com/bescott9944 Take care and Thanks! Sorry I'm bad about Rambling... LLAP

[@OldTechBloke]

Nothing wrong with rambling Bruce :-)

[@Nortzzzz]

i have been a linux fan but the biggest hindrance i have with it so far only is its lack of various drivers especially with dongle wifis. i have a very old laptop and most of its hardwares are external and proprerities so looking for drivers is really very hard. so that's why i revert back to windows but when i updagrade to newer laptop, i will install back linux. i have been using manjaro btw.

[@OldTechBloke]

Manjaro is a great distro

[@idokwatcher2062]

Make an informed decision which dongle to buy. Look at which chipsets are best supported, then buy.

[@Nortzzzz]

@@idokwatcher2062 yeah. learnt it the hard way. but no worries because when i replace my old laptop, i will be going back to linux. manjaro in particular

[@petrdemuth4963]

I have migrated from Arch to Artix and messed up the system for a while. Took me couple of days of troubleshooting till I reverte back to Arch. If I would test next time that would be a clean install :)

[@jpwillm5252]

Yes, it's better to install Artix

[@johanb.7869]

They warned you and you said it yourself, to use a text installer instead of the graphical one because of issues you would get when you do a upgrade;) btw I can still see a white line on the right.

[@OldTechBloke]

True enough mate. The white line seems to be something related to dwm and how it shows virtualbox in full screen

[@markrush2107]

I'll never install Artix, but it was a nice video anyway. Thanks!

[@BrucesWorldofStuff]

You might also try to disable LightDm and see it you can start Dwm in a Xinitrc and see what that does. That would tell ya which way to go... Then there is always Google... Lol LLAP

[@OldTechBloke]

Yes tried that and no joy. Really strange issue, I'm thinking it could be an xorg issue that may be related to virtualbox but no matter. Everything works good on my main arch system

[@BrucesWorldofStuff]

@@OldTechBloke DistroTube did a on Arch yesterday and he had a issue where Xinit would start Xorg and then it would hang. He said the same thing, might be related to virtualbox video drivers, so he changed the driver setting and it booted just fine. So that maybe just what ya said... Lol VBox strikes again... :-D LLAP

[@nsawatchlistbait289]

Thats a very nice intro

[@celestialadministration]

I just like alternatives. However s6 is hardly used.

[@dwmkryft]

I use YTvanced so mostly just turn my screen off. OTB sounds like one of those bygone early noughties radio stations! just imagine a Linux radio station.

[@JTT2505]

Anyone know if paru can be installed on Artix or is it also systemd reliant?

[@OldTechBloke]

Sorry Jim I don't know, but doubt it's systemd reliant

[@JTT2505]

@@OldTechBloke Thanks anyway. I'm back on Arco now. 😁 👍

[@javierpacheco4363]

I think so. Check it out the Luke Smith YT channel, he use artix and have an installation script and it install paru, so I guess para can be installed on artix.

[@juzujuzu4555]

Systemd is like cancer, it's spreading everywhere, making software dependent of itself, and thus trashing big part of what makes Linux great. I don't get the benefits of doing this. As it certainly isn't speed of booting, don't know if Threadrippers etc. would be booting much faster with systemd, but my openRC boots as fast as systemd on 4 threads. And I'm not using OpenRC parallel option, which would speed up that somewhat. I really don't like that so many distros are moving towards Systemd/Linux systems, as that's essentially the truth of how far that cancer has spread already.

[@jpwillm5252]

Systemd is a kind of windows that drives your linux system. :-/

[@gbowne1]

affraid of the terminal? ahh right.

[@gbowne1]

I am a MX fan.. 100%

[@LDWilliams]

I lost interest in the distro at "ask nicely" TBH.

[@taidee]

LD Williams yep, it’s too elitist for my taste too.

[@LDWilliams]

@@taidee not so much the distro itself, just the folk that run it,

[@barend63]

Personally I don't have an issue with Systemd.

[@pkmolle]

*yet :P

[@OldTechBloke]

Me neither - at the moment :-)

[@enrott8560]

Yay won't install discord on artix might be just me idk

I am using artix. Arch with no systemd is faster :)