Reaver RUSH vs ZERG!?!?! - Jaedong vs SnOw G2!

Jaedong (Z) vs SnOw (P) on La Campanella, BEST OF 3 - Game 2
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[@arturkaczan1776]

I just could hear Snow's evil laugh in my mind xD

[@felipeperez4490]

I am so happy to be alive in a time where you can watch snow vs jaedong

[@no1xtz765]

What an appreciation for this world 😃👍👍

[@DonnePlummer69]

That was hands down the craziest reaver play I've ever seen. Watching snow dismantle a zerg legend with it is just another layer on top of that already insane game.

[@ReicyXrd]

This map really lets Snow go full throttle on his Reaver play even moreso than usual. Hes so good at using the layout of the map to his advantage like when that game you casted vs Stork

[@narsakucanada154]

A few years ago I repented to God then begged for help, "I was until then an Atheist." I then had a dream of Jesus coming before God and he spoke of the Tabernacle in perfect context, "A word I didn't know existed.", and what I felt from Jesus when I held him was unlike anything I've ever felt before - A lifetime of Love every second - It brought me to sobbing and it changed my life, forever. I've had Many experiences since, "Several witnessed", one was seeing a bright orb of light pass across my face in the dark, hours before a major surgery the second I gave up in my heart. Know that God and Jesus ARE real and that they Love us deeply. Let go of your hatred and Imagine yourself holding the people who've hurt you. Tell them you Love them. Always have hope, I believe that prayer, following God's laws & Love is the answer, and through that, Truly becoming humble, merciful, welcoming, giving, gentle, respectful, compassionate, patient, kind and forgiving, To All.

[@nicksterba]

At 3:50 that zergling wanted to attack the zealot so badly it decided to glitch itself through the mineral line.

[@Redkasquirrel]

I can't even tell which zergling it was. It comes out of nowhere lmao

[@Winnetou17]

To put into perspective JaeDong's dominance in the past. At one point, his win rate in these tournaments (so no ladder or other casual stuff, just playing against the best) in ZvZ was 81%. And he had also many crazy games, with insane all-ins, incredible recoveries or simply extremely stubborn very entertaing plays. Like INSISTING on attacking 2 base only muta vs a terran which already had sci vessels and irradiate and still somehow manage to win despite all odds. Man, I so wish to see that JaeDong back. As I wish to see a vulture terrorist again. I really feel like too few terrans properly utilize vultures. That is, not just send some to mine and harrass, but CONSTANTLY send some to mine and harrass. Like not even getting to kill the vultures when another group comes in. Finally getting out of your base, only to be greeted by the 16th vulture raid party. NaDa was a sight to behold, and I'm missing it so much.

[@ivankuzin8388]

It's a shame they didn't add backward replay compatibility to Remastered, we have so many games that are only available as shit quality VODs or old replays you can only view on old patches.

[@2slick4u.]

@@ivankuzin8388 backward replay?

[@ivankuzin8388]

@@2slick4u. Backward compatibility, meaning possibility to play old replays in Remastered with current patch (which is now impossible) I would imagine a game would need to somehow determine a patch version of a replay and then emulate that old patch.

[@JordanR]

Would be nice, but they're not teenagers living jn team houses and playing 16 hours a day anymore. Only way that this happens is with a fresh new generation of young guys with no/minimal family or other commitments. Seeing as SK's birth rate is in the negatives, Broodwar is over 20 years old, and RTS as a genre is not as popular as it used to be, it seems unlikely we'll ever see that sort of renaissance.

[@gasstationpeanuts1814]

@@JordanR Not only that but the amount of repetitive stress injuries, carpal tunnel and the like that these "older" (30 is old in BW LOL) guys have dealt with and continue to deal with really restrains their ability to grind these days. Streaming income is really beginning to bring back the legends though. More and more of them will come back full time when they realize they can make up to $200-300k a year streaming.

[@uglyhobo4602]

Im taking my drivers test today to get my license to drive for the first time in my life. Wish me luck everyone

[@moralessanchezoscarelias6412]

Good luck have fun!

[@BoredLikeHelI]

If you need luck to pass you shouldn't be on the road.

[@Shadowboost]

GG

[@JJ-Toreddie]

Have confidence and no fear.

[@ericjepson3765]

My wife got it first try and she's an Asian woman, you'll be fine...

[@errata]

Can I just say how incredible it feels to watch modern Jaedong games in pretty much realtime? As someone who missed the brood war era of his domination and became a fan of BW esports later, it feels like seeing legends relived again. Awesome Artosis.

[@Fanelan053]

I appreciate how you break everything down. I'm no pro, so it's nice to have someone explain some of the "back end" of things. Thank You!

[@VladTchompalov]

reavers are so clunky but snow made that look so smooth

[@apanthropy]

This is the best content for in between ASL seasons. Thanks for casting all these awesome games between the pros!

[@YoungGandalf2325]

7:50 "Double -Rainbow- Robo! Double Robo!!" 😅

[@1garysan]

8:06 Can just hear Snow saying "Drones die, drones die, okay bye"

[@Medinaxz]

And the evil laughing continues. Fun game.

[@AgentPanda92]

11:06 "Just pain!" -RT 2023

[@Zraknul]

The corsair reaver vs hydra overlord clump play was interesting stuff.

[@KimmoKM]

Regarding the point that Flash is the only oldschool player who is at his previous level, well, by my reckoning pretty much everyone who's still playing actively is absolutely better (they'd be favored to beat their former selves in a mirror matchup). A point often gets made that players in team houses could drill 24/7, and the young players had not yet damaged their wrists, but the strategy has undoubtedly evolved, and even if the players have dropped some APM, I would expect their effective speed to better, again due to efficient play being more figured-out. And I'm not sure even that is true, since I did go back to watch some KESPA-era games and they don't strike me as impressive even mechanically. That being said, Flash has maintained his championship quality relative to the rest of the playing field while e.g. Stork, Bisu, and Jaedong no longer posses theirs, but I can think of other former players who still have it, such as EffOrt.

[@RJB_TV]

most players actually play faster than their Kespa days. Lot of 240-280 apm players now consistently sit at 320-350. Mechanics have definitely improved overall too purely because they have had another full decade of extra practice. Grinding practice has in scientific studies already been proven to have greatly diminished returns compared to less but highly goal oriented practice. Also in Kespa days players kept way more secrets to themselves, now they stream (almost) everthing and everybody can copy one another through first person pov vods. The only real downside players have now is carpal tunnel syndrome messing with their endurance. Talked to some players and there's really almost no proper knowledge amongst players on how to keep your wrists healthy. Lastly, gaming gear has greatly improved too. Better computers, better mouses, better keyboards, etc.

[@stambe8605]

@@RJB_TV Dont forget that in SC:R we have the option to rebind hotkeys, which GREATLY increases efficiency. Another thing to keep in mind is that on lowest latency in SC:R, the game is even more responsive the vanilla BW + we have in game clock so the you can optimize better than ever.

[@Zraknul]

​@stambe8605 yeah the game clock seems like it helps a lot. Knowing vs feeling on timings, especially after some damage has messed up their internal clock a bit.

[@johnnyboy3563]

Artosis..... you missed the 3RD ROBO and 2nd Stargate being put down by Snow. Would have been sick to see a Fleet Beacon for Dweb. That's truly the most epic combo in pvz.

[@DonnePlummer69]

I used to do that combo (reaver/shuttle +dweb) even in PVT or PVP. I'd just disable static defenses with d-web and have the reavers go wild while I was hitting them with gateway units somewhere else. I'm always surprised to never see d-web in professional play.

[@freehatespeech6804]

@@DonnePlummer69 Koreans use d web when they go corsair reaver if it goes to lategame. Look up Stork vs GGPlay on Andromeda. Andromeda was a map on which sair reaver was the standard way to play (it was Zerg favoured if you played gateway style)

[@Cormalek]

Nice to see that Artosis gets the giggles and not flashbacks at Snow's Reaver Carnage ;)

[@ivankuzin8388]

Man, Reavers are just broken af when Snow is using them!

[@Elfcheg]

Scarabs never stuck. He can retarget then just like widow mines 😂

[@Ziegfried82]

Yep, Jaedong was never gonna win going hydra/lurker against that.

[@codyv.2031]

❤ you coined the phrase 'nerd chills' ty for all the great casting throughout

[@OOCMonster]

The return of corsair reaver! That strategy has a special place in my heart from the glory days.

[@Maelthorn1337]

That's pretty ballzy against the guy that builds spire in 95% of his games.

[@yyyy-uv3po]

I like those ladder best-of-3, thanks a lot!

[@electronsauce]

Love this channel! It's been so long since I've played BW

[@sittingwonderduck]

9:34 how does he split the Hydras from the Reaver shot so fast in a split second like that? Mind blown

[@1garysan]

7:50 Double Robo. It's sooo beauuuutifuuuuul!

[@Aikionen]

He's getting reaver speed 😄 Just a fun little slip up there lol

[@JonTietz]

That choke for the 6 o clock base was nasty.

[@fandomkiller]

these games are insane ty RT

[@GASHPAN]

The thumbnail reminded me when he played mass reavers V Arty. GGs

[@benjaminhuver1657]

That was INSANE! Battle of the Gods! I am not worthy! Thanks Artosis!

[@00Noontide]

Gg. Good cast! Thanks for the upload, Artosis.

[@Tamperkele]

At what point did they start adding the eggs on each map? I haven't watched any games since like 2008 so I'm kinda out of the loop, but I don't remember those yellow eggs being as common back then.

[@Matt-ln7lb]

Honestly, I think reavers are a bit underrated in PvZ. They cost less gas than templar, are cheaper to tech into, and deal a lot more consistent damage. Sure, scarabs bugging sometimes sucks, but it's hard to make that happen, and it's very difficult for Zerg to dive them with lings/hydras. They give a much more stable defense against any Hydra based attacks. Of course, if the Zerg has a spire, scourge make shuttling them around very risky and they can't help against mutas, but moving a push a little bit slower to negate the risk of scourge isn't going to cripple the Protoss, and if the Zerg doesn't go spire, Shuttled reavers have pretty much free reign, as was the case in this game. The reason they aren't seen early so much is likely mainly due to the threat of mass mutas, rather than something like the risk of them getting caught by hydras while being shuttled around.

[@lavkian]

Hi Artosis! I love the channel, love getting to watch fresh Brood War every day. One small request - is it possible to have the player views represented on the minimap like in ASL? I find it interesting to watch when players stop microing so they can go do macro cycles and vice versa. Thanks!

[@nooneinparticular3370]

Yoo, thanks for bringing us all the games!

[@Art-uz3fk]

3:47 Jaedongs zergling mineral walks to kill a zealot :o

[@Александр-е8ч8т]

AMAZING GAME! THANK YOU ARTOSIS!

[@zeddpilsner4]

7:25 Reaver speed upgrade

[@nicholasscott2118]

This game was ridiculous

[@justincronkright5025]

I forwarded by 5 seconds a few times - I might have missed you mentioning it, but you need to look for that 3rd Robo Artosis (11:00)! I know Trolls (Snow) have a magical resistance ability/natural species aptitude, but that means when you know you're casting them... You have to be really attentive.

[@freehatespeech6804]

Jaedong would have been a bonjwa if not for Bisu and (especially) Flash existing at the same time as his peak. The same is true for Bisu, and for Flash (Flash only became a bonjwa later than the time I'm referring to). GOAT Zerg.

[@gleboleinik6436]

Goddamn, unreal reaver control.

[@christopherwoodjr235]

That was some excellent reaver control!!!

[@jamesyt6943]

Hey artosis. It'd be cool to see you and tasteless make content together. Probably hard because of the time differences but I would love to see you cast ladder games like this together.

[@tomm1120]

Is getting shivers different from getting chills?

[@FlymanMS]

Nice base clean up

[@tylerwinkle323]

9:35 misclick on that shuttle by protoss

[@jakovmatosic4890]

9:35 holy shit that split

[@D4WeeMaN]

I've seen so many of those from Jaedong. Specially when he does it with mutas, they all just fan out instantly. Insane speed.

[@MrZebub]

Welp, I'm watching this again.

[@einargalleno4603]

I am only going to watch snow’s games after this lol. The guy is a master

[@swampybwoy]

Amazing game

[@itay_530]

Snow is a genius.

[@soju69jinro]

When a troll strat turns into a legit strat.

[@tacticianmatt3791]

Snow uses Reavers like they're Disrutors

[@kadel007]

I wonder if reavers have speed upgrade)) If they had, it would be amazing. (especially for Snow)

[@thomastanner8547]

Big style points for snow. Only way this could have been better is with scouts

[@the1ucidone]

Snow flexed on Jaedong!

[@anonymousman4006]

Artosis care to comment on the rumours that you're hiding your GITC FFAs and Ban/Unban episodes behind your patreon?

[@ivankuzin8388]

I was wandering where these are!

[@deco90]

JD wishes he didn't come back from the army after this one

[@Javahulk]

whats with the zergling moving through the minerals at 3:52?

[@2slick4u.]

WICKED SICK !

[@karpai5427]

Does Jaedong play as Zerg and Protoss? Or are they two different Jaedongs?

[@valentinomanontroppo4675]

too bad he gg'd, would have been fun to see more zerg pop!

[@kassokilleri2ff]

Jaedong is so interesting to watch. He plays the way I would play. Which is basically constantly switching gears. Making you think you're getting all inned and go for macro play. Make you think you're going greedy on macro but hit a timing attack. I feel like jaedong was so good for so long, but now he is not playing as well. He is playing the style which is afforded to a stronger player that he has not really been lately. I feel like jaedong needs to take a step back, focus on fundamentals before going back to free drawing like he has been doing lately. He has lost footing on his fundamentals. But once he regains them again, his free creative switcheroo playstyle will Excell and he will be unstoppable. End rant.

[@DjAtmaWeapon]

Excellent

[@joetechton828]

Snow's Pest Control Services Inc.

[@ShadowzKiller]

I am relatively new to watching this level of play. Why is their APM so high in the beginning when there is nothing you can do expect wait for your workers to work and build?

[@Winnetou17]

Warming up, maintaining the flow, so to speak.

[@bfors8498]

What that heck happened with that ling next to the zealot at 3:51?

[@alexfriedman2152]

IT came from the top and glitched through the mienrals over the drone

[@tastethejace]

There's always that one in the pack...

[@Alexander-uj8cx]

Is this StarCraft 1?

[@jaredmoore3825]

Why are there random Zerg eggs on the map?

[@tastethejace]

It's a custom map feature. They act as barriers that you can target down with a lot of hits.

[@freehatespeech6804]

Good ole corsair reaver

[@Rekoil2234]

God I love this game

[@leocarl5264]

Snow vs Arty.(JD)

[@Mithras719]

Double robo!

[@Crud-Stevens]

Cool Beans

[@invisiblemenproduction]

Spoiler Alert Game3! Nice Games ❤

[@tastethejace]

...does anyone else hear feet clapping?

[@X17-Trader]

wait people still play BW>

[@azurerider812]

Infinity Swarm lost to the Khalai Refugees.

[@deepzerocool]

Unfair

[@TuEIite]

REAVEEERRSSSSSSSSSS

[@AsmongoldvsArtosisclips]

I dont care who says different but snow should just go reavers half or more of time against zerg.

[@cornbeefsandwich2828]

Has jaedong ever played an annoying game?

[@jonahjameson272]

These new maps seem kinda lame I dunno havne't played sc in a while but too many chokepoints it seems like def favors toss

[@joelb1299]

Easy Zerg

[@JohnSmith-rr8hp]

Finally a protoss victory, but that doesnt mean they dont need a buff. Zealots should have +2 damage on start, they are too weak against equalled priced zerglings. Dragoons should have 25% more health Reavers range should be increased by 2. Arbiters cost 25 gas less. Dark Templars have 25 more HP.

[@jamesburke9651]

Spoiler blocker for the fams

[@lReb]

Thanks for posting these Artosis, I like every video you post. Particularly the ones of old school pro's.