Jaedong (Z) vs SpeeD (T) on Tempest. Want to support ArtosisCasts? / artosis I'm probably LIVE right now, check me out: →Twitch: / artosis
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@monsieurpanda44518 ай бұрын
This is some karmic experience to see a Zerg player harass by aerial units all the game by a terran.
@abstractdaddy13848 ай бұрын
Ha, I've thought that exact thing before.
@assault4108 ай бұрын
i was just thinking this LMAO
@skykur8 ай бұрын
Cathartic to see, gave me chills
@MikeLhawdsYouTubeAccountHandle8 ай бұрын
Lol every terran's feeling when watching games like this 😅
@blacklight47208 ай бұрын
So satisfying. My favorite game still would be that of Bish0p. He had some crazy wraith micro in that match.
@frankhubbard56428 ай бұрын
I'm old and not at all capable of playing the game, but I'm a huge fan of the game and especially love watching it through the lens of Artosis. Outstanding content, sir. Thank you
@stambe86058 ай бұрын
You can still play the game if you are old, just play Protoss. Ive played mostly Terran and some Zerg back when i had more free time and was younger, but if i decide to go back and play semi seriously i might give Protoss a shot. Its a good race for old people with slower hands and arthritis. You can still enjoy the game without going 250+ APM and play more strategic and sneaky.
@khav998 ай бұрын
@@stambe8605 You got it brother I still play terran on SC2 but SC I switched to protoss fun race to play
@alvarorubenvera59157 ай бұрын
How old are you my man?
@benjamincarmona37038 ай бұрын
It is always a treat to watch some good fucking wraith micro
@Gamerextra10298 ай бұрын
Zerg getting dismantled like that by Wraiths is poetic justice.
@FlymanMS8 ай бұрын
One thing more underrated than Ensnare is good wraith micro, and it’s a beautiful thing thing as we’ve seen here.
@blacklight47208 ай бұрын
Have you seen Artosis commentating on the Bish0p match? damn, it was so sexy.
@FlymanMS8 ай бұрын
@@blacklight4720 I saw it and I loved it, Bish0p was dominating his opponents
@somekindoflandcow8 ай бұрын
This was a super fun game showing off both sides of the 'why don't we see X more often?' question. This could have been an entirely different match if even one or two things had happened differently.
@mattthemaddogdollar8 ай бұрын
He built his first spore colony 12 minutes into the game.
@novitrix96718 ай бұрын
Crazy how not greeting and making 2 aa each base saves so much time, resources and pressure.
@TheFloydsta7 ай бұрын
just losing 3 drones is basically a spore colony lol @@novitrix9671
@Deadly4678 ай бұрын
wraith micro was a thing of beauty
@Girthbrooks7158 ай бұрын
I’ve been watching for a little over a year now and I don’t think I’ve seen a match where wraiths actually win the whole game. Love seeing a good off meta build dominate
@문종보-w6h8 ай бұрын
I love starcraft
@captain-go4jz8 ай бұрын
Me too and I hate artosis
@codymoreland44968 ай бұрын
I love starcraft more
@michaelbird91488 ай бұрын
Beautiful opener and micro. Those first two engagements were so efficient for crippling JD, and then the micro from there was just so excellent.
@meguemil85428 ай бұрын
Randomly came across your channel. I'm loving it! Great commentary, you give a lot of insight and your knowledge of the game shows
@keagancollins32438 ай бұрын
If you’re a brood war fan check out his ASL casts, tons of fun to watch
@plzrelax8 ай бұрын
Would love to see Zerg Christmas someday in a pro game (plague + ensnare)
@NealX_Gaming8 ай бұрын
I don't know why Jaedong decided to make landing the Ensnare harder than it needed to be. Just let the Wraiths walk into Overlord detection and click on one rather than targeting an area.
@stambe86058 ай бұрын
This exactly. Unless you've been practicing alot vs cloaked Wraiths with Queens, its better to go for a homing shot when the Wraiths are detected by Overlord/Spore than to go hail marry with a skill shot which requires alot of prediction and is detrimental for the outcome of the game.
@kayDawgTV8 ай бұрын
The one who controls the overlords, controls the game. It's like a terran version of bisu.
@basimaziz8 ай бұрын
I love, love, LOVE watching Wraiths work! YES! WOOOOOOOO!!! Excellent play from Terran!
@tjsanderscu8 ай бұрын
Genuine question … why didn’t Jaedong make 2-3 spore colonies WAY earlier?
@Dodovacer8 ай бұрын
Typical "professional corner-cutting" - total rubbish decision.
@paulkruger79348 ай бұрын
Fair question. I guess even with 1 spore at each mineral line the the wraiths would still be able to harass a lot (imagine just 1 stronger turret in a mineral line vs mutas) and at the same time it would slow down his build a lot and make it less likely to ever catch up. That being said, there was definitely something off with Jaedong's build, probably burrow should have to be ready a bit quicker if that's his first line of defense, it didn't do anything this game. But important to remember that these wraith builds often have a bit of a domino effect and look really insanely good when everything works out perfectly from the get-go, and can be completely hopeless if even one thing goes wrong.
@novitrix96718 ай бұрын
Greed, will to skillflex, deathstar arrogance syndrome. To name a few potential reasons.
@MythrilZenith8 ай бұрын
All these pro gamers calling themselves Hero, we need some pro gamers using the name Villain.
@taz319998 ай бұрын
A Queen involved in a match against a Terran player and still no infested Command Center. One day I will see it happen... one day.
@samuelkim59818 ай бұрын
I do not know why JD chose not to put up spores in the natural and main early on. It would have helped immensely with the detection issue. I do not know how much he has practiced ensnare vs wraiths so it seems he just wanted to try it.
@FelipeMedina-yz5pw8 ай бұрын
Am I the only one screaming "GET SPORES!"?
@Joshua-c2e1z8 ай бұрын
I usually root for the Terran but I felt sympathy for Jaedong with SpeeD's Wraith micro and use of cloak while continuing to expand. If this had been the first StarCraft game I had ever seen, I would have thought Wraiths were one of the top units the way he kept them alive made them seem invincible.
@donyodonev14938 ай бұрын
Impresive! Someone to win against JD in this way! Really nice strategy and play!
@michaelfrancoisgermishuizen8 ай бұрын
That was massive damage
@non_da8 ай бұрын
I kinda wish the Ensnare upgrade, among a few other caster upgrades was slightly cheaper in gas and maybe slightly faster to research, nothing too drastic. But Ghost, Dark Archon and Queen getting slight buffs would be pretty exciting. I think as for Ghost you would need to do something more than just upgrade their spell research though. They could use some extra damage so they aren't entirely useless outside of their spells.
@brownbrewsommelier8 ай бұрын
He misses is a bit of an understatement. I think I got a splash of that ensnare through my screen
@n1te8 ай бұрын
When you see mass wraiths, always get burrow. Saves the drones or at least makes them spend scans.
@freehatespeech68048 ай бұрын
My valkyries have gotten ensnared by S rank Koreans. One time I won the game, one time I lost, but both times it had a good effect against the valkyries. Ensnare has its uses.
@mexorcist25758 ай бұрын
2 port so fun to watch. Are you going to be casting any of the ASL qualifier games on here? Would like to see some.
@taylorjensen27878 ай бұрын
I ALWAYS forget that ensnare makes the units attack slower too. OP
@abstractdaddy13848 ай бұрын
It's a negligible difference for most units. It really gets stimmed marines though. It literally negates the stim effect.
@Larsgman2 ай бұрын
The way this guy was controlling those wraiths while simultaneously keeping his economy going is something really amazing to watch. Can’t believe he got away with that wraith harassment
@csucskos8 ай бұрын
I feel like ensnare should be used more often against bio. It's only the cost of 2 mutas. Obviously not a queen rush, I think it's better to have a full group and harass the terran at early game, but as a few off, when the bio is bigger and you are trying to pick off from the groups with 11 mutalisks. Maybe parasite the vessels, since drops are super deadly... I dunno, queens are so underutilized. (I never understood why mass queens are the best counter to mech, since so many times I've seen a couple emps demolish the queen cloud and then the zerg gets ovverun, but maybe it's as some zerg player said - can't remember if soma, Jaedong or Queen or someone else - that the biggest problem with zerg is that if you mistime something you lose pathetically and you look like a fool for even trying.)
@Pico1418 ай бұрын
EMP is not a consistent counter to queens blowing up your siege tanks, especially if zerg sees beforehand that you have a vessel with your mech. Just watch ASL games where mech was used and countered with queens (you won't find many recent ones because that's how hard queens counter mech, almost nobody plays it against zerg anymore)
@tohothewriter80028 ай бұрын
Queen builds is similar to DA rush builds, they cripple the early game economy for a two base all-in. There's a lot of risks involved that will leave you basically dead in the water if the rush doesn't do deadly amounts of damage.
@Pico1418 ай бұрын
Zerg is very tight on resources in ZvT and making queens just to use parasite is rather useless, when for the same amount of gas you can get a defiler giving you a cloud of invulnerability. I was always wondering whether ensnare + lurkers could be used to catch and destroy bio in midgame, but if it hasn't happened in 25 years, I guess it's too hard to pull off
@EebstertheGreat8 ай бұрын
Jaedong experimented with ensnare against bio back in 08-09. It was OK. The thing about ensnare is that it takes just as much micro as any other spell, but it's not quite as good. Most spells do at least something every time you cast them, but ensnare does nothing unless you can force an engagement right as you cast it. So you spend a little money and a lot of attention on something that is likely to completely whiff if you screw up. And when you orchestrate everything perfectly, well frankly, you probably don't need ensnare to win anyway. Also, you say "only 2 mutas" like it's nothing, but it's not at all obvious to me whether I would rather have 2 mutas now or one queen with one ensnare in a little bit. 2 Mutas is pretty significant.
@felipediazflores11518 ай бұрын
Com'ooooooon Jaedong.... ONE spore will counter this haaaard. My bro waited to Hive to make a spore .... sad zerg noises.
@Dodovacer8 ай бұрын
not sure whats wrong with him. See him play so bad all the time is just sad.
@CS__23148 ай бұрын
Why didn't Jaedong build 2 spore colonies at each base and go into hydra/lurker? Instead he loses 15+ drones and a group of mutas to the wraiths.
@Andrei31118 ай бұрын
because zerg sucks anyway
@staarfajter9228 ай бұрын
Static defence is usually a bad investment. In hindsight yes, he maybe should have made atleast one in each base. Hindsight is 20/20.
@Ziegfried828 ай бұрын
If he had slipped in that drone and saw for sure that it was 2 port wraith...I bet he would have. But you can't just make spores not knowing if the terran is going air, it cripples your econ.
@junioraltamontent.75828 ай бұрын
There's a player named Eonzerg I love to watch bc he has a habit of making spare creep colonies to convert when needed. It's not nearly the investment of a sunk or spore but odds of one of the two being helpful at some point are high.
@513pollo8 ай бұрын
Frustrating when Protoss and Zerg players tap out early. Is it me or do Terran players stick around longer when things get bad for them?
@FlymanMS8 ай бұрын
Terrans are so used to beating that they endure to the end
@stambe86058 ай бұрын
We are used to getting harassed and abused till no end since the beginning of this game. You cant give up easily as Terran if you want to get better or grind out games. Also Terrans have the best comeback potential of all races IMHO. But in this game Jaedong GGed on time so to speak, as the Vessel cloud was starting to whittle him down and he had half of the supply of the Terran while on equal bases with much less economy due to the Wraith harassment.
@luciansevastru70878 ай бұрын
JD was so dead at that point; he didn't want to stick around and get rolled over, so he chose to spare himself the humiliation. At this level, there's almost no mistake Speed could have made to lose him the game.
@janpaulbusch14378 ай бұрын
Hey Artosis, every day your Videos are helping me get through relaxing on my armchair whilst eating chocolate! Thanks!
@Rockboygg8 ай бұрын
Not a terran player. But it feels refreshing, cathartic even, so see the TERRAN harassing the Zerg! I was like "now you know how it fells like!" Im susrprosed that no terran has done this before until now.
@AlexanderEddy8 ай бұрын
That was a unicorn game
@paulkruger79348 ай бұрын
Think this is as close as it gets to a flawless game
@baptiste28638 ай бұрын
Back to my parents place for a bit country side, good meal, a glass wine, a fire, a bit cold for south of France. Then under a heavy load of blanket watching people trying to make ensnare work all comfy on my little phone, thank you 😄
@madafaka35878 ай бұрын
I swear to god, why pros hate spores so much!?
@nightmareTomek7 ай бұрын
2:37 So many possibilities! xD wish that was also in SC2, but there are always the same builds despite being more units available...
@petercrocco54618 ай бұрын
Love the last stim at the end of the match.
@USALibertarian7 ай бұрын
After only 25 years we finally know how wraiths are supposed to be used.
@Rethaxian8 ай бұрын
I fucking love wraith games. Underutilized in my opinion.
@exist01428 ай бұрын
If I'm not mistaken, the unburrowing-when-attacked thing only applies to computer-controlled units, not player-controlled ones. It was likely implemented to make the AI not just sit there with burrowed units while the player kills them. I don't believe this applies to multiplayer, but I'm not 100%.
@quikdeath1008 ай бұрын
I don’t understand why Zerg tries to go Queen before building one spore colony in the main and another in the natural. Just seems like an easier way to combat Wraith openers
@Ziegfried828 ай бұрын
Spores are super expensive to make, so most pro zergs avoid building them especially early game because it cripples their econ. If Jae knew for a fact that it was 2 port wraith (if he had slipped that drone in) he probably would have made at least one spore for sure.
@Pleiades278 ай бұрын
Man i love seeing double starport/-gate wraith/corsair, even more so when it works out beautifully. Anything to make Zerg suffer!
@Repetoire8 ай бұрын
what a game! it all came down to that ensnare! wow!
@stevie_mac8 ай бұрын
Coolest game I've seen in a while
@wraith_wr8 ай бұрын
Good decisions by both sides, but only one prevails. :D
@karpai54278 ай бұрын
Again. Defiler's Plague is instant, Queen's Ensnare is a projectile.
@novitrix96718 ай бұрын
Defiler balance has yet to be detected...
@plethoranz8 ай бұрын
Artosis, is there any chance you could make a series of the ASL qualifiers? Maybe with some player backgrounds, and focussing on some interesting player stories/paths? I'd love to learn about newer players, and as a watcher/fan for over 10+ years of your stuff I think it would resonate well with us.
@Fanelan0538 ай бұрын
It's cool seeing different techniques
@ShadowMKII8 ай бұрын
Honestly, I would seriously entertain calling myself "Villain" if I were a "pro gamer".
@MrDarthDread8 ай бұрын
I want to see you narrate someones everyday life
@MtDuckford8 ай бұрын
Artosis, do you have a game where you play like Speed? With Wraiths? That strategy seemed completely overpowered in the hands of Speed.
@sleeper18558 ай бұрын
And this is why no one goes for ensnare
@danielmoyle55038 ай бұрын
Dude a damn spore. Its better than losing 10 drones.
@GASHPAN8 ай бұрын
Interesting strat. Well executed. GG!
@alanchen66258 ай бұрын
It should of been gg when he killed all drones
@alanchen66258 ай бұрын
What did I win 😊?
@MattBrain93368 ай бұрын
Why didn't Jaedong build spore colonies the moment the first Wraiths flew in?
@Lappmogel8 ай бұрын
He didn't have an evo chamber
@patrickburden82578 ай бұрын
What a treat!
@paulkruger79348 ай бұрын
Arty you said ASL qualifiers are coming up... I think back in KSL days you and Tasteless actually casted the qualifiers. I assume that's not possible for ASL?! I'd love to see as many games as possible including the brackets, sometimes it's frustrating to see someone not qualify for ASL and have no idea whether they even tried or wtf happened, whether it's up and comers or more senior players.
8 ай бұрын
Gg, great cast as always!
@tohothewriter80028 ай бұрын
Plague and the Devourer's attack also reveal cloaked Wraiths by the way, not just Ensnare. A good strategy by JD, but it wasn't quite fast enough to be in time for the SK Terran death push of his natural... which didn't need to do a whole lot to be effective. Amazing game by both players regardless!
@EebstertheGreat8 ай бұрын
Yeah, not just the three goops, but all spells that cling to units and have visible effects reveal those units. Specifically, Defensive Matrix, Irradiate, Lockdown, Maelstrom, and Stasis Field do the same. (Parasite effectively does too, but only for the player who cast the parasite.) Optical Flare doesn't reveal the target, I guess because it has no outwardly visible effect.
@stambe86058 ай бұрын
Maelstrom doesnt reveal burrowed units and does not affect mechanical units, so in practice it doesnt "stick"to the unit like the other spells. Unless you make invisible zerg units via bugs there isnt a zerg unit that is invisible in a sense like the DTs or Observers, so it has no revealing effect. Statis Field reveals the unit, but also makes it invulnerable making it not so effective for that purpose (you have to bring detector and wait for the thawing). Parasite i think also reveals units for the allies of the player who cast it.
@EebstertheGreat8 ай бұрын
@@stambe8605 None of those AoE spells hit burrowed units at all. The ones that don't disable units do stick to them through burrow, though. (If you mind control an enemy zergling and put it under an arbiter, it will be cloaked. Then if it gets ensnared, the cloaking field won't work. If you burrow it, it will be invisible, but then if you unburrow it, the ensnare will continue to reveal it under the arbiter.) Anyway, Maelstrom doesn't only work on zerg units. In particular, it works on ghosts and Dark Templar. It's true that parasite will reveal a unit for anyone you share vision with, because they can always seen every cloaked unit you detect. But enemies won't see it (for instance, in a FFA or 2v2v2).
@stambe86058 ай бұрын
@@EebstertheGreat Only Stasis and Maelstrom are AoE spells from the mentioned above. And both are not effective at revealing cloaked units. The post specified other abilities that reveal invi units on top of the 3 "gooey" spells zerg has.
@EebstertheGreat8 ай бұрын
@@stambe8605 Stasis and Maelstrom do reveal cloaked units. No spells reveal burrowed units except parasite, not even defense matrix or irradiate. And I didn't mean to list practical counters. How do you practically reveal an enemy unit with defense matrix? It's just a complete list.
@lavkian8 ай бұрын
Hi Artosis! Is there a chance Shield Battery will catch on more with modern Brood War players? If not, is there a specific reason why? Thanks for continuing to upload these, it's awesome watching them!
@sommigame8 ай бұрын
If you haven't watched it yet, bisu uses shield battery against soma quite effectively, and he talks about them quite a bit there. It's on this channel, has shield battery in the thumbnail
@FlymanMS8 ай бұрын
Battery is nearly useless after early game
@Biggestfoo8 ай бұрын
Where can you find the gamers8 interview with Jaedong?
@Okiwano8 ай бұрын
Even if he could have won, would you want to put in that effort? Next game, it's just ladder, right?
@anthonyc7198 ай бұрын
Lost 40 games to Speed on ladder lol… it would be a privilege! That was some gosu shit
@UCfjZmDYoZY3laj2mfiinm7gc8 ай бұрын
5:17 Except Lurkers
@UCfjZmDYoZY3laj2mfiinm7gc8 ай бұрын
Not able to kill that egg 10:20
@EebstertheGreat8 ай бұрын
And irradiated units! Nice thought by the devs so you can use burrow to shield nearby units from irradiate as intended.
@anonvideo7388 ай бұрын
I think it has to do with how units with no attack react. For example if a melee unit gets shot by an air unit they will just run around a bit. Burrowed units have no attack, os they do the same thing. Lurkers do have an attack so they do not try to run away if hit. @EebstertheGreat And I think irridate doesnt make units move since its direct health removal instead of damage (so it doesnt trigger armor).
@EebstertheGreat8 ай бұрын
@@anonvideo738 No, the code specifically checks if units are burrowed and if they are irradiated. An irradiated unit won't unburrow even if you shoot at it with a marine or cloaked wraith or whatever. Blizzard's website told people to burrow irradiated units so they don't damage their neighbors, and they specifically coded in an exception to make sure this tactic worked.
@stambe86058 ай бұрын
@@EebstertheGreat Interesting. I never knew that or seen it mentioned before that its specifically coded so they dont unburrow if they are irradiated.
@nestitortheshowman8 ай бұрын
I don’t understand why terrans always use a bunch of turrets and zergs do not. Jaedong could stop that wraith harrass with just a couple of spores on each base.
@ZoeCalico7 ай бұрын
I'm no expert but i believe it's because it costs zerg larva that they absolutely cannot spare
@kevinf.25568 ай бұрын
i really dont understand why not a single spore in the mineral line, especially after you see THAT many wraiths... absolute complacency - its a standard in all SCII matches the moment you see early starport aggression from P or T for a reason, defense vs cloaked/super speedy air arass units is like one of the first skills checks after all. i know this is super rare in SCI because most worker harass comes from vulture/templar/reaver drops in the early game in SCI, however that ensanre should not have been the make it or break it card - extremely disappointed :/
@kevinf.25568 ай бұрын
@valentinomanontroppe4675 yes?
@ConstantineIII8 ай бұрын
Damn! Wish that would have gobe differently. Gg!
@cyberneticdex698 ай бұрын
❤❤❤
@j.mbarlow59528 ай бұрын
Why not transition into Valkyrie if your Wraiths are still alive?
@kno6ndg78 ай бұрын
Queens are good against tanks, but that's it.
@ilvivente8 ай бұрын
Great game
@serhiy_serhiy8 ай бұрын
Already saw that game... Saiyan casting. A little bit unfortunate.
@Soursass8 ай бұрын
The year is 2042. Mankind has destroyed all civilization as we know it through nuclear Armageddon. There is no more internet. StarCraft is dead. Yet Artosis is still casting soundlessly into the void.
@AlojzyZyrokompas8 ай бұрын
Painful to watch. That first miss was anticlimactic.
@Daemurry8 ай бұрын
저그의 신이 이제동인데 이제동을 이겼네. 테란 컨트롤 잘 하네
@shanebarnes46228 ай бұрын
Crazy good game!
@mayalabo39068 ай бұрын
satisfying~
@dewinmoonl8 ай бұрын
I think when tou fight wraith you treat them as mutas. You make anti air. JD lost sooo many drones he could've made 8 spores with all the losses
@joelb12998 ай бұрын
Super EZ Zerg. Burrow + ensnare + bad micro = loss
@Caeldori8 ай бұрын
Amazing micro
@TheAeolas8 ай бұрын
Overlords should have the option to land
@novitrix96718 ай бұрын
Balance cannot be detected...
@sleeper18558 ай бұрын
Watching zergs die to 2 port wraith makes me sad.
@jemm.82778 ай бұрын
Why not make more spores?
@somecooney53048 ай бұрын
Zerg is the underdog in a TvZ. Always has been. Always will be.
@blacklight47208 ай бұрын
Zerg is the underdog? With Mutas and defilers?
@SharpwithanE8 ай бұрын
For the algo
@ComradKirich8 ай бұрын
Briliant
@ethansaltmere8 ай бұрын
wtf is that wraith micro so insanely broken
@novitrix96718 ай бұрын
how dare anyone besides zerg pull off air raiding micro!!!
@novitrix96718 ай бұрын
Spoilers Terran up the skies!!!
@-Nick-T8 ай бұрын
30...40!
@Tablon_Nibbles8 ай бұрын
Each time I see Jaedong I get more convinced that he is overrated for me. For a reason or another, he is defeated. And that's normal for me, not always you get a win, but Jaedong has questionable play.
@ThunderChickenBucket8 ай бұрын
nice
@Berry_Bruiser8 ай бұрын
1 spell, it really could of gone either way. Great game from both players.