Arturia Pigments wants me to sell my Iridium (again)

I finally bought Arturia's powerhouse soft synth, Pigments 4. Turns out you were all right - it's awesome, but is there still a case for keeping my Waldorf Iridium? Why even bother with hardware synths anyway?
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[@emilyharpist]

First

[@JamesonNathanJones]

Gonna pin this comment for the world to see and tell them it was Barry

[@mrwplay1]

Did you watch the video before replying? Lol

[@emilyharpist]

@@mrwplay1 no, but now I did. the track sounds too good!

[@mrwplay1]

@@emilyharpist I can see I am going to have to up my game. In my defence I just felt compelled to watch, listen and experience first. And I got lost in the wonderful electronic textures before heading for the keyboard. “Game on! For next week Emily 👏👏👏”

[@X22GJP]

First what? Idiot? Only reason I ask is because only idiots post like that in forums and comments sections these days. Kudos for not writing f1r5T though.

[@VenusTheory]

Single handedly keeping Waldorf in business buying and selling this many Iridiums

[@JamesonNathanJones]

Basically a vendor at this point, and yet they still steadfastly refuse to send me the keyboard poly aftertouch version 😭

[@petewigley9985]

@@JamesonNathanJones I watch both your channels. I used to own a Waldorf Q when they first came out back nearly 25 years ago. I've owned and sold many synths, but I do always come back to the fact that the Access Virus TI can do everything. I haven't tried the iridium but it sounds a bit shiny and glassy/polished if you ask me. Opposite to the prophet 6 for example. Imo even the Peak still isn't as good as Virus Ti. It has all the wavetables, pretty much everything in there. you can even make it sound 'analog' even though its a virtual analog anyway. I have pigments and I don't ever use it. For some sounds I'm sure it sounds perfect, but overall I just find most soft synths sound grainy, and lacking dimension/depth. Plus lets be honest, can you name one soft synth that actually haas a good filter? (they don't exist). In my theory, audiophiles get fussy about what cables and amp they use with there speakers (small differences in sound). Surely then it makes a difference to using a soft synth or a hardware synth? I can hear the difference. Other people think VST sound superior to hardware. Its just not true. Diva is good, not bad but is it better than a peak even? or a Nord lead 2 (never owned one) but I bet it isn't.

[@Cautionary-Tales-Band]

@@petewigley9985 there’s no inherent difference sonically between a VA and a VST synth

[@petewigley9985]

@@Cautionary-Tales-Band The scientific explanation would be that the processors in hardware are designed efficiently to do the processing they need than the ones in a computer. Everyone has different ears but to my ears after using vst and hardware for years, the best hardware sounds better than the best VST's. No software vst has a filter as good as a va or especially real analog. The algorithms for them aren’t good enough to emulate the sound of a real analog filter. Just like digital eqs imo don’t sound as good as analog. The Virus has the best non analog filter I've ever heard, but it did use 7 top of the range processors from 2003. It is a bit of freak - yes there is Viper but it doesn't sound as good. (otherwise everyone would just use Viper vst). Allan and Heaths filters are better than pioneers, I think that's pretty much widely accepted?? One's analog the other is digital. Not a debate really! People will always believe what they want to imo. Whatever suits their beliefs. To my ears you can’t get the sound of a moog voyager out of software, and for the reasons as explained above a vst can’t even beat a processor designed/programmed specifically from 1998 (jp8000 - digital aliasing that sounded good !or virus c). Do top studios still use Hardware Reverb instead of VST plugins? Yes because the algorithms for reverb are incredibly complex, that only recently VST reverbs could get 75% there. Same applies to VA hardware - algorithms. Plus why do people spend £4000 for an analog summing box instead of just bouncing things in a DAW? Maybe because its specifically designed to do that one thing? However you are right, VA and VST's should sound the same theoretically but they don't imo, simply because a VA can use algorithms which are powered specifically by a whole processor designed to do that. VST's are always at the mercy over too much CPU usage. So there is why VST's don't sound the same and it's not just my ears hearing differently to yours. Not a debate. Don't hate America 😅

[@Cautionary-Tales-Band]

@@petewigley9985 that's not really true, and hasn't been for years. The CPUs in modern computers are much, much faster than the chips inside something like an Iridium, and unlike say... a GPU, audio processing isn't particularly optimisable by using specific hardware architectures, so hardware VA units aren't out-performing computers at all. In fact, when designing hardware synths, CPU limitations and constraints are a much bigger issue than when designing VSTs. (Analog summing boxes have been empirically debunked by Dan Worrall. They don't do anything,)

[@ryanhursh6322]

Damn that moment when the Polybrute and Pigments plays… immaculate 👏🏼

[@rgeraldc80s]

I love Pigments! But for me, the biggest thing with soft synths and hardware is much of what you said. Soft is easy to fire up quickly. The reason I love hardware so much is my life is always on a screen and hardware is like mediation. My job is on a computer, I stare at phones and screens all day, including KZbin and movies, so being able to not look at a screen (or only a small led screen) and just use my ears is peaceful and inspiring. Yes every sound is available in software, so use both.

[@artephank]

It depends on the workflow. I have all my gear (not that much really) always connected to each other, so I just turn on my stack and it is ready to play. It is literally faster to turn it up than to boot up Ableton. But sure, software is way more powerful. However, it is also more intentional - you kinda need to know what you want to achieve. With hardware you can just mess around with buttons and knobs;)

[@mickeythompson9537]

*"The reason I love hardware so much is my life is always on a screen and hardware is like mediation."* So good, it needed quoting!!

[@VinylWave11]

You stated it in a way that I definitely feel with hardware synths, I loose myself in it like in meditation and then it is not like work. It is bliss to be there with an actual instrument. While I do also use software. I have moved to only using it for mixing and mastering mostly, which has been very freeing. I don't unplug my Iridium or other synths from my mixer setup, so I just push the on button for the synths and GO. I do move around my setup for my samplers and microphones as I am experimenting with different workflow and sound options, but that is the extent plugging in something.

[@InFamousProductions]

well stated. same for most of us tech nerds I think haha

[@unisonosc1617]

@@mickeythompson9537 problem with this idea is most current production hardware has a screen and menus. Its more common it will be a small screen with menus and encoders to scroll through settings and even more sub menus. Even the new Oberheim OB-X8 requires the user the scroll through settings on a tiny screen just to set oscillator volumes in its mixer. If you are using simple analog gear with true knob per function, no screen, menus, or patch memory then that is valid.

[@license_________2________chill]

the rare soundtuber who makes stuff I'd actually want to listen to

[@syneman1]

Pigments is a game changer. The step sequencer is also amazing! Thanks for your honest opinions. The most important is what works best in your workflow,

[@fallenshallrise]

When a lot of this 'hardware' is a bunch of digitized knobs controlling software running on a really shitty chip and barely any ram then running a plugin for a digital synth is actually a huge upgrade.

[@dbefore7165]

Exactly!

[@jimonaldo3108]

Dude I loved the sounds you were making so much that it inspired me to open my software synth and try to make some cool patches. I’m usually the type of guy who just uses patches but you gave me that kick just now to make something cool unique and mine.

[@nicof7704]

I appreciate your very thoughtful content, it’s amazing to see the way you view the world of music and synths and hardware and software and all of this technology

[@ReneGBoscio]

One of the things I love most about your videos is that they feel like watching a docuseries. Every now and then some musical themes from previous "episodes" (i.e. your discography) will sneak in and pull at all the heart strings. Like when "As of Old" comes in at 3:21.

[@JamesonNathanJones]

Haha thanks man! That one feels like it was from a previous episode of my LIFE 😅🙏

[@HarMegiddo]

Excellent wisdom about hardware and not going into debt or feeling less than! Cheers mate!

[@irauchimax]

you're a brilliant human being, thanks a lot for the knowledge and for the time you put in your passion. I will give a listen to your creations !

[@JamesonNathanJones]

Really appreciate that! 🙏

[@watchaddicts1213]

You had it, you sold it, now you have it and…enter The Pygmalion. I love this this! Done it…many times. I can imagine you watching this video as you read over your new list that explains why you Just buy iridium one more time. Good show!

[@mycityglory]

Really enjoying the sounds you're creating with the polybrute. That mixed with pigments? Even better. Keep up the good work.

[@MistyMusicStudio]

Making patches away from the computer is such a relaxing way to spend downtime 🧘 Pretty much all my hardware was bought "because it's fun without the computer" haha. Your layers gave me chills! A little reminiscent of Ori & The Blind Forest OST [which I love]

[@ntrnlgrv]

I feel the same. I have to work on a computer for my job. My hardware is my release from having to look at a screen.

[@FlowJunkie65]

Awesome vid, Jameson. Many thanks!

[@ryanperrault8174]

I've found that mixing the sounds together works really well. They compliment each other and help fill out sounds/spaces the other are missing.

[@raysubject]

Anothar very good video ! And btw great music playing background, really damn good !

[@ryan.noakes]

Good video, thank you for putting this out there. Though I learned synthesis on a vintage Buchla synth (so much fun!) I am purely on software synths since graduating from university because I have no space in my rather small room for any hardware. I picked up Pigments last year and have been really happy with it since.

[@adrianmartinezflores4980]

Is great always hear you, watch you and learn from you, thanks for sharing all you knowledge with all of us. 💯🎶🤗🙌🏽

[@commodoor6549]

Your videos are, smart, thoughtful, and intuitive. And damn it, you make so much sense.

[@willswitchcraft]

love that last line.......................awesome voice, always awesome insights.......................

[@jamesc9862]

Pigments actually piqued my interest in the Iridium/Quantum. Glad to hear I'm not missing out on too much with just Pigments alone. Both software and hardware have their strengths and should be appreciated!

[@andreasoberg2021]

Quantum Mk2 is incredibly fun and fast to work with. I use it every day.

[@KnoxBronson]

Your song is so beautiful. Very inspiring!

[@vampolascott36]

I just love seeing anything with an Iridium.

[@jon_gee]

Right on!!! Nicely done. You are a great teacher. LISTEN UP KIDS this guy knows what’s up. I started with Acid Pro and Reason and a crappy home built PC and made some of my all time favorite tracks I still listen to today.

[@brodytrumpet]

Thanks. Intelligent and heart felt. This has been often on my mind

[@Drew_Vernon]

I just got an Iridium, and I'm absolutely loving it!

[@alanbg2278]

Just happened upon your channel and found a resonance. Thank you, your insights are inspiring...

[@JamesonNathanJones]

Thank you!

[@michaelkonomos]

Man I ADORE Pigments. It does SO much. I love hardware and software both. thanks for making this.

[@artephank]

I tried Modwave plugin (demo) lately and it is like pigments lite but waay easier and faster to use. Highly recommended, will buy during next Korg sale

[@larrypoulton6401]

Firstly, I agree with you. I started making music in 1980 with a Korg MS20, SQ10 and a 2 track cassette recorder. Fast forward to the last 20 years and I have bought and sold too many synths to remember. I have just sold my last and am left with a Moog Sub37 as every synth nerd should own at least one Moog in their lifetime - right? I have been using Pigments since it came out. I 'clicked' with it immediately and have created hundreds of patches. I even manage to sell some now and then. The hardware vs software does my head in. If I needed a wet tissue, a rusty spoon and an Atari ST to make music, that's what I would use. Its whatever works for you. I do like he immediacy of knobs but have found, as I grew more and more familiar with Pigments, that I navigate around it just as quickly and am often rewarded with many surprises. Keep the music coming - it sounded lovely.

[@M.W.777]

Bro....like...for real!! Props and you have a new subscriber! Keep on "Tweakin'"

[@InFamousProductions]

and I totally agree with the separation of patch making vs track making. it is so separate , and I may spend a few hours at night only making patches, just to pull it out when ever for a track. great look at the situation.

[@ChiturnerCa]

Wow, okay cool. I was thinking about buying Iridium when tuning in and I'm so glad you created this. It's one of those things that I don't really need right now and could use the money on more important things like saving for a rainy day...at least until next year! Haha!

[@mysterienvril]

I am new to sound design and while as of yet, I only have software synths, I definitely would like to get a hardware synth or two. I am enjoying learning all of it. Thanks for your videos.

[@VinylWave11]

When I sit or stand to play music on an actual physical instrument no matter if it is a guitar, synthesizer, or Sampler, get inspired by my options and limitations. I move with the instruments physicality of feel and sound. I began decades ago with guitar, saxophone and piano. Mine is a different informed perspective of many decades of creating art and then music with both physical art tools and computer aided art tools. My day job for years included a lot of work on computers, years of creating art and music mostly with computers and then iPads and Apps and then the pandemic. I think computers and other screen time made me numb! I am moving towards a much less DAW and computer dependent workflow, not without computers, BUT I like many people want options that don't include touching a computer or staring at a screen, or dragging and dropping anything unless it is dropping something in an actual trash can. I have been experimenting with other options for music production for the last two years, with microphones, instruments, an MPC, Zoom recorder, and SP 404 MK2. I don't unplug my Iridium or other synths from my mixer setup, so I just push the on button for the synths and GO. I do move around my setup for my samplers and microphones as I am experimenting with different workflow and sound options, but that is the extent plugging in something. I am opening up to really experimenting with process and to be honest it feels really great to not touch a mouse or look at a computer screen for days, to put it bluntly it's AWESOME to have zero screen time for a week. I have goal this year to start having one week a month that I don't look at any screens...well only the screen on my MPC or my Iridium, not even a phone or email! It makes me very excited to think about it. I think I will wear Hawaiian shirts and no shoes, only flip flops those days too and only talk to other people in person. Because the days and weeks that I have done this so far are much more productive and creative. One other thing I am also doing with the free time that has been freed up from scrolling and searching is reading books...with real paper...with a variety of ideas...from the library...Life feels much more like LIFE this way and it is better than a vacation!

[@GrahamFMcElearney]

Great video!

[@trailerstuff1062]

that polybrute sound is amazing! well done

[@Dan_Corkery]

Just stumbled upon your channel while searching out something else on KZbin and took a chance on this video..glad I did. I'm not sure I would go as far as to say I like your face or love the sound of your voice 😛..but I really love your style of presenting in general combines both, enabling you to present facts and details in a very accessible way. I took advantage of the free video you linked to and the full course interests me, but I'm not in a position to jump into that right now..maybe later though. Thanks for the content.. really looking forward to diving into your past posts/shares. Subscribed..liked..and bell selected. 😉👍

[@JamesonNathanJones]

Appreciate that Dan! Don’t worry, the southern drawl will grow on you over time. It’s like a fungus. 😂

[@Dan_Corkery]

@@JamesonNathanJones Just to clarify for anyone reading..I was joking about the looks and voice thing. I'm sure many consider J's attributes beyond reproach.. personally though, I don't judge a person based on either. (..got to admit, though, that "southern drawl" sounds pretty cool. 😁)

[@HJPhilippi]

Knowledge meets honesty meets sarcasm. That's unique and what I like most about your videos.

[@JonMurray]

Great video dude! ✌🏻

[@peterhz55]

I've used both Iridium and Pigments for a couple of years. I don't think I would ever have seen one as replacing the other. The Iridium is just so enjoyable to use - a digital synth that's as much fun to use as the Matriarch. Pigments is as good as VSTs get, but actual hands on control is hard to beat. This being said, your Iridium sound pack is truly excellent (one of the best out there, I think) , and is set up to use all the Iridium control possibilities. So please don't abandon the Iridium, and make some more sound packs....

[@jammystraub488]

It's interesting you compare it to the Matriarch, because I do love my Matriarch. It's nice to hear they have similar fun factors.

[@DodgaOfficial]

Sound design truly is one of those things that can give you that "secret sauce." Presets are cool, but even if you modify them a little bit to your tastes, it can really take your music to the next level. Learning to use a synth is a huge benefit to any producer.

[@philipford6183]

I parted with the last of my hardware keyboards some years ago, as I'd begun to fully-embrace a world of softsynths. By the time I purchased Pigments I already had things like Ominsphere 2, the Korg Collection, Kontakt, etc in my arsenal of sounds. TBH, I've never looked back and I don't miss the hardware. My only regret is that I never really dig into any of these amazing softsynths; I'm very much a surface-level user (presets all the way, for me), yet I know something like Pigments can do vastly more than I'll ever use it for.

[@judethree4405]

That’s me also. This becomes an issue when you collect too much gear (hard or soft). Like maybe if you just had one good synth, you could deep dive into it, but when you have 5,6,7 synths, it’s you can barely keep up with firmware updates, let alone deep dives.

[@nathanallen9291]

Really want to hear this track when its done. So cool

[@medenine4828]

Seriously gorgeous patch on the poly brute.

[@Pichuscute]

That sounds absolutely incredible.

[@skriptico]

u totally right. The hw vs sw debate got me tired. great video. subbed.

[@sinatrabone]

Dude, you're hilarious :). And I find your "hey everybody, can't we just get along" approach to be refreshing. Thanks!

[@SRV2013]

Just get Omnisphere, which I did, and I never look back.

[@MrMEINNAMEISTMENSCH]

I like your vibe! :)

[@stickyfox]

I saw one Arturia keyboard that was, essentially, a security dongle for their soft synth. This was years ago and it told me everything I needed to know about the company and their stance on IP.

[@lenni-hazels]

I guess this means things have changed a bunch since then. I only own the Minilab 3 but that piece of hardware is great (besides maybe quality of the pads) and I'm considering getting Pigments 5.

[@piet245]

If you look at the inside of the Waldorf Iridium Core, which I bought and will be returning the same day, you immediately believe that the Pigments can do almost everything that the Iridium can do. It is not for nothing that they say that the Iridium is a plug-in in the box.

[@final_mile_music9713]

You’re right about not needing hardware. But not in the generalization that you can’t tell the difference IMHO. I think ‘it depends’. There’s stuff things like pigments does that my hardware doesn’t, which is why I use it. But then that’s true in reverse for my Grandmother. And other HW synths.

[@VinylWave11]

I had Serum, Deva, Zebra, Falcon and many many other software synths before I ever bought a hardware synth...It just was not productive, motivating, fun, easy or practical for performances. There is just something about software synths for me that a software synth will not get me far enough on any project. It wasn't until I bought hardware synths that I could really produce really great finished work. I may still use a software synth as a filler. However, I wouldn't trade my Waldorf Iridium Keyboard or my Moog Matriarch for all of the software synths in the world. I understand what you are trying to say; but, in reality, while yes you can make music with just software (its a good way to learn with and begin with), I wouldn't take software synths to a live performance or want to count on them to stay with for a music career. There are a lot of very reasonable synths, Korg Minilogue XD, Minifreak, and just so many others now at a price of almost the same a having any 2 or 3 of the software synths that I do like (Serum, Falcon, Deve and Zebra...maybe Pigments...maybe...I think Serum and Falcon blow Pigments away by quit a lot). It is also really a pain in the rear to learn on just software in a lot of ways; and, I found it to be a huge rabbit hole that wasted a lot of time and money when I could have just purchase one of the great synths under $1000 and progressed much faster. While Iridium is an expensive synth it is well worth the money, it literally will do almost anything. The only synth that I feel is a real match for it is the new Waldorf Quantum MK2 ($4799.99), which is still less expensive than the ($4999.00) MOOG Minimoog model D re-release (which is in my opinion very over priced for what you get compared to the ARP 2600M or the Quantum or the MOOG Matriarch). What I'm trying to say is I respectfully disagree. Pigments and/or even Omnisphere will never equal the Iridium especially the Keyboard version, unless they package it like Waldorf has with Iridium. It just doesn't have the same immediacy as hardware. That is exactly why there is such a re-emergence of hardware. Even MPC is not the same as software. In my opinion, software is great for augmenting working with hardware, that is where is really does shine. However, I still would rather even record to a High fidelity 16 track recorder; and, then arrange and master in software...If I have to, which I do still do and need to do to finish production. And I am not in any camp saying hardware is the only way. But for anyone who would come to me for direction of where to start, I would not recommend starting with SOFTWARE synths. There are too many great synth options that do end up costing much less than software synths and will facilitate learning in a way that software synths don't as easily or even as cheap with the current options. With Pigments costing $199 (which I do also have a licensed copy), a decent 49 key keyboard controller running at close to $500, you will already be spending $700 and that does not include the cost of a computer that will run Pigments well, my old 2012 MacBook Pro (yes that is what I'm still using) cost was over $3000 (I do not like the new Mac Laptops). Thus you could actually buy a Waldorf Iridium Keyboard version at $3799.99 vs a computer, Pigmants and decent keyboard controller at roughly $3799 or more for a new Mac Book Pro with a 16" screen and ram and memory upgraded, because if you did want to grow, practice, and go perform with it you would need a really good laptop with a screen that isn't hard to read, a very good keyboard controller, and USB interface, so you are going to exceed the price of a Waldorf Synthesizer really fast.

[@brandonaikin5445]

I really agree with your opinions about hardware vs software. I like them both. I use hardware for live and software for studio... give or take here and there. Not frowning upon others' choices, that's just what is familiar to me. I love knobs. Cheers mate, thanks for the good post.

[@dtreestudio]

SUBLIME! Enjoyed your thoughts. Thanks!

[@qomplex]

Software instruments have truly come a long way. Exciting times to live

[@JimAlfredson]

I recently acquired a Quantum after lusting after one as soon as I saw it debut at NAMM. And it is a monster. But I've owned Pigments since ver 1 and yeah... it basically does the same thing. In fact, when they announced the Quantum, my first thought was, "Okay, so it's basically a hardware version of a plug-in. What's the point?" Then I played one at NAMM and instantly got it. Like you said, the tactile nature of hardware is the best reason to own it. There's just something about sitting down at an instrument and exploring it without having to use a mouse and keyboard, with real physical controls and buttons.

[@MarkSoundDesigner]

Thanks for this video, I immediately bought Pigments 4, among other things in this period it's 50% off, I paid 99 € 😀while I wait for the Polybrute to arrive in 2 days!

[@NineFourOneMedia]

Felt the same at first, Pigments is excellent, but keeping the Iridium.

[@downpatmusic]

I bought Pigments and forgot I had it. Your video just reminded me I should load it again! Problem with software synths, I forget which computer they are on on my 5 networked Macs and PC's. One can amass a heaping mess of them over time. You can't sell them in theory. And they need updates, and eventually outlive operating systems on older computers like I run and keep as they still have good interfaces and create tons of voices of great old software sounds. And then when you are ready to upgrade computers, re-installing them, etc... The best part about them is working in the box-in the computer, and then bouncing. I use them for SFX production synced to picture. Select the tracks and bounce a stereo file. Done. Post it, Hollywood downloads it, and it hits the air. For music production, I find I mainly I use the large sample libraries designed for scoring, the VSL String and Piano libraries are fantastic, CineSamples, 8Dio, Heavyocity, Spitfire, and many many others, etc... A must for composers to have a staple of sample libraries run in computers. I still run an old analog console and outboard gear along with all of this digital stuff. I like both.

[@travelwithhanfi866]

I think you can install Pigments on up to 5 computers. I always install on both my systems.

[@GWills-ys6rd]

I agree, it's about workflow. Hardware replication is more of a requirement when there is an element of performance, such as occasionally (or regularly) playing live on a stage.

[@roodegar]

I run Pigments on the MP MIDI Controller. This way it gets a touchscreen and physical encoders. I believe that’s as close to a hardware Pigments as you can currently get and still cheaper than an Iridium. Plus you can use the controller for all kinds of other plug-ins as well.

[@DJREN2]

I started with bit of hardware. But realized its expensive for one. And a lot more hassle setting up. Software is great. Many options and ease of use with some great controllers. Novum is a great VST synth. You can get a 90 day full demo to test to.

[@musicismyvegetables2900]

I am at the starting point where I only have software synth and I ask myself why should I get a hardware synth for thousands of bucks when my setup so far is only the fraction of the costs.

[@AdamElteto]

I would say at this point, the thing that is really going for hardware synths is reliability in performance. You do not get glitches, crackles, pops, clicks and that unintended bitcrushing sound in hardware boxes as much as you do in a computer setup. A PC rig has too many links in the chain that can ruin performance, and the CPU is designed to do a lot of different things generally, not just ONE thing really well. You have an audio interface capturing MIDI (or USB MIDI), you have the PC itself, then the OS, DAW, VST, then the sound goes back out to an audio interface... Many links that can break. You can spend $3,000 on a MacBook Pro, another $1,000 on an audio interface, hundreds of dollars on a DAW, $480 on Omnsiphere, and you can still drive the whole expensive rig to glitching with ONE instance of Omnisphere. On the other hand, you can buy a Korg Wavestate for a few hundred dollars, it has a cheap Raspberry Pi in it, and it does not glitch like a multi-thousand dollar computer rig. Mainly because hardware synth embedded computers are designed to do one thing. My Korg, Roland and Yamaha hardware units do not crackle, pop, click glitch or otherwise emit random unwanted noises, and some of them are decades old. Sure, they do not do all the fancy stuff a PC with a DAW and VSTs would do, but at least they are reliable in the studio, on the road, and on stage. As an example, I doubt 20 years from now my computer/interface/OS/DAW/VST rig will perform as well as it does now. But most of my hardware synths have been doing that, and they do not seem to be in decline.

[@dbefore7165]

Hardware synths are just computers in a standalone box, they can have just as many issues

[@earlsfield]

I bought Iridium about a year ago. Had it for a few days, sent it back and bought UDO Super 6. Thing is, IF you are a gigging musician and/or work without the computer, Iridium is quite feature packed and it has a lots to offer. However, for me, it was just another box containing plugins (very good emulations, loved kernel, nice wavetables), so in no way is it a wasted money, but for two grand I felt I could get a different instrument. Again , I started in early nineties with hardware synths, mostly romplers and few low end fm stuff, and of course one Iridium is like space shuttle for all Roland JVs and Yamaha TX81Z out there, even for the DX7. But since I can choose to use something like Pigments, that has almost all the features of the Iridium, and I do use computer (rarely for sound source and mostly for tracking, but still I have quite a few plugins), I'd rather invest money elsewhere.

[@N-trepid1]

Curious, did the Super 6 live up to expectations? I've been on the fence for a couple of years now re: the Super6. Very impressed with the S6 & UDO. Then Dave Smith's final act the Trigon 6 was released. Completely different sound pallet, but what a gorgeous sounding compliment to my OB6. Super 6 verdict? Thanks.

[@earlsfield]

@@N-trepid1 Super 6 is an absolute monster and probably one of the most original poly synths in the recent years - at first I was looking at it as J6 clone, which I also have, and thought I can give it a pass, but then realized J6 was only the inspiration. It can do all the classic analogue stuff (it is FPGA based, but the signal path is analogue and filter and amp give it rich, high end analogue sound), but more importantly, it can do many things my Sequential Prophet 10, OB6 and REV2 cannot. Will add a few videos soon, just can't get the time. So S6 is total score, community including George is amazing and instrument keeps on getting serious fw updates. FPGA does prevent for certain minor things but allows for crazy programming if you have bold idea, like the one George had with S6. Absolutely, my second used synth last year, maybe Prophet 10 and REV2 do more classic stuff work, but S6 is equally there, from low end creamy bass, over all kinds of cross mod stuff with digital waves, to awesome super-wave pads. it is a monster, really. tune into my channel, should post 3 s6 videos by the end of the week.

[@frankwalders]

When I want to make a sound in any soft synth I open them (if possible, Pigments can) in standalone mode, that gives me the focus. Opening it in a DAW is more distracting, but of course in other situations darn handy.

[@michaelkonomos]

I like how you talk about using a synth to build up a palette of sounds that are your own. Kind of gave me a lightbulb moment of “oh yeah, keep and reuse my own patches”. I don’t know why I always feel like I have to start with an init. Hadn’t thought about how reuse can lead to a sense of style and continuity

[@JamesonNathanJones]

I go through extended periods where I feel like I’m just stockpiling patches or sounds and then don’t use them for months, but when I come back to that synth later it’s almost always a great jumping-off point for an idea or two.

[@michaelkonomos]

@@JamesonNathanJones That's a hot tip. Seems so obvious now, not just practically, but artistically, but for some reason I just hadn't thought about it that way. I do love some sound design... lol

[@G8tr1522]

@@michaelkonomos i take it a step further and use it as motivation for making a quick beat. Ie, the patch is so good, that i HAVE to put a beat behind it, and a few hours later, i have a rough draft.

[@watchandproduce]

Hope you create some videos showing how you create Pigments patches. I like hardware too but just like that software VSTs don’t require as much cables and power draw in addition to all the benefits you mentioned. I love my S88 and Maschine MK3 hardware (USB powered) and how NKS allows me to control and browse VST synths from Arturia, u-he, etc.

[@MarianoPerez]

I've been noticing that for me the hardware/software balance is becoming having some affordable smaller synths and a vst with a touchscreen laptop. That touchscreen really adds a nice dimension to programing. The flow is not as nice as hardware, but close enough.

[@TonyAndersonMusic]

Hello. Question for you. Do you prefer cheaper American cheese on your cheeseburgers or higher quality cheddar? Please comment and reply. Thank you. Wonderful film by the way - would love to see you do a screen recording session of how you make sounds in pigments

[@JamesonNathanJones]

What’s that stuff that comes in a can? Nothing quite like a cheesewizburger.

[@watercolourmark]

I've dabbled with pigments for a while as a MPE synth for a Linnstrument. I've recently been on a small computer journey. Firstly getting a couple of used M1 computers. But being a PC guy I found it too disruptive when I had to fix something. So I've just got a tiny 6800U computer in the form of a GPD Win Max 2. I have a love/hate relationship with a new computer as it involves weeks of installing software. But I use that process to ditch a lot of software. But so far I've got stuck on Pigments. Just discovered how brilliant of a synth it is, but also every patch is hooked up with great MPE mappings as standard. These tiny powerful computers are amazing - low cost, low energy but powerful. But throw in a MPE controller and Pigments and it is all I need. I am happy to be that small computer music guy. I hear size doesn't matter. Pigments is a very special thing all the same. Just thought I'd point out that I've had a completely different journey but came to the same conclusion on this.

[@static-san]

Pigments is my favourite soft-synth. And the first one I actually paid for. I downloaded and played with the trial version about 2 years ago. Less than 2 days later, I'd paid for it. That said, I'd love a MiniFreak-sized keyboard that would be Pigments in hardware (if possible, multi-timbral).

[@TonyThomas10000]

All in the box, and have plenty of soft synths to keep me busy (including Pigments).

[@amazeus1980]

I have sold about 15 or 20 analog synths and now I enjoy my 10 year old iPad apps and software....and LOADs of analog wav samples...

[@chedwick]

Yes, there is this eternal debate hardware vs. software. I have hardware, and software synths because I like the different experiences each one can provide to me, but that's subjective. So, let me point an objective reason to choose one over another: longevity. When buying a hardware synth, one can be sure that the hardware will not change (you can avoid firmware updates etc.). When buy software synths then now you have Apple/MS changing the CPU, operating system specs, APIs, computer hardware specs etc. If you really like a synth, and there is a hardware version of it (or similar) do consider buying it (if it does make sense financially, of course) because it will stay with you longer. All in all, software or hardware, I don't care, make music, noise, whatever floats your boat!

[@rottingsunrecords666]

I really enjoy my hardware synths, especially my Juno but I actually use a plugin based on the Juno in my metal music. The synth has a higher noise floor vs the plugin and has a few things the originals didn’t. I like both workflows. Hardware when I’m burned out from looking at a screen and software the rest of the time. I also started with just a laptop, a cheap guitar, and an interface I found at a pawn shop, usb mic for vocals. You can get stuck in thinking new or better gear makes you a better musician but it really doesn’t. Only time and dedication makes you better

[@leeberger1051]

Finally a video that actually makes sense regarding the debate of hardware versus software. It all really comes down to individuality and what one wants. As far as the listening debate depending on the type of music you make and perhaps the listening setting I don't think it actually makes a difference. For instance you and the drunk chick in the club listening to electronic, hip Hop, or at the rave festival is not listening for what the music was actually made with but the vibe you get from it. Thank you again for such a common sense video. Keep up the great work bro.

[@camparikiller]

Commenting because the KZbin algorithm knows all, sees all, and recommends videos with comments on.

[@JamesonNathanJones]

Your sacrifice for the machine (learning) is noted and appreciated 🤖

[@mamojula]

Nice video, well said, fully agree with you! subbed.

[@alexwestconsulting]

i'm normally dawless but picked up pigments 4 with that insane existing customer offer price at the end of the year. hard to pass that up. i got a used prologue too, and as much as i like it, it's shocking that pigments cost me less than a 10th the price of a used synth, where pigments is sooo much more sophisticated (not that pigments is as close to prologue as it is to iridium, but you get the idea),

[@VagrantShadow]

I was 100% Software (besides guitars, but fully digital amps etc) and I've expanded into a few hardware synths and pedals just because my CPU can't handle everything at once and I think mixing everything is fun and works well and you get the best of everything :D

[@JeremiahTrue]

I recently bought a Hydrasynth and realized that, in many ways, it was Vital in a box with more limitations. With that said… I really enjoy using it and love the sounds I’ve made with it.

[@maximrecords5492]

Bravo!

[@Jegkedermigmega]

Interesting arguments. They resonate quite a lot with me. I have the Hydrasynth for the second time now, and I am constantly contemplating selling it. Why? Well, because I can easily replicate a lot of the weird and glitchy stuff I use it for in Pigments, and Pigments furthermore adds more variety to the sound (sample playback etc.). I've had a hard time pinpointing why I haven't pulled the trigger on the sale yet, but I think it's because I end up in peculiar places with the Hydrasynth. So even though I can easily make things that sound alike to the Hydrasynth with Pigments, I often times *don't*; this is - I think - due to the nature of the workflow and UI of the Hydrasynth. So I think there's something to be said about the very nature of having hardware in front of you, the way the UI is laid out, and how the workflow compliments your way of thinking etc. So I will probably end up with keeping the both of them, even though it rationally seems redundant, and a big part of me is trying to sell it because "that's the smart move" :) So thanks for sharing.

[@Noise-Conductor]

Don't sell it.

[@wadehathawaymusic]

Cool video. Helped me decide about Pigments. Thanks. Yeah the hardware vs software 'debate' is tired. I use both but mostly hardware. It's just what I like. All love to those who do only software. In the end we all just dig making sound, noise, music, whatever. Peace.

[@StrayMedicine]

Yeah, the main argument for hardware now is just how hands on and immediate it can be. Though controllers with knobs/encoders can help bridge the gap a little it still isn't quite as ideal because the spacing of controls is unique to a hardware synth a lot of the time (especially if it is a knob per function synth.) Definitely will always use software but hardware has changed the way I make a lot of music and has made it easier for me to jam

[@freewheelburning8834]

Hardware typically offers a more seamless rendition of sound compared to software, as it bypasses the computer's processor and operating system, preventing potential degradation and fragmentation of the audio into digital bits. This results in a more continuous and organic output. Take Deadmau5, for instance; Joel utilizes modular synthesizers as hardware to achieve a more dynamic sound, a feat often unattainable through virtual modular synthesis alone.

[@darkcognitive]

Use both, depending on the mood, simple as that. Doesn’t continually have to be a competition in your head between this Vs that all the time, although i get it, it makes for good content for a video. I have a polybrute, iridium, and a few other hardware synths. I also have software synths…both have their own place in my studio and their own ‘time’ for me to use them…and in a lot of cases, i use them in conjunction with each other.

[@InFamousProductions]

good answer.

[@AlexCBrandon]

I have an Iridium. And am open to software having more capabilities. Funny thing is, either one at this point has so many capabilities we’re mostly spending time talking about the capabilities vs. actually creating with them to better potential in instrument design or music composition. I hit “subscribe” because I like that you demonstrate the opposite of an elitist attitude, which I have gotten from some segments of the community. Particularly modular synth folk and those who use Max MSP and Cycling 74. :)

[@JamesonNathanJones]

Thanks! Completely agree. I try to always demonstrate how I use the things I talk about in my music. It’s ultimately about what inspires us the most to create.

[@rave6577]

You dont need any Hardware, that is true but hell its way more fun to tweak and have a physical thing infront of you.

[@rick3421]

beautiful music

[@IhorMedia]

I think I have Pigments 4 too! As well as many other plugins that I keep buying...

[@thomasinlondon2849]

I want to see the video of you making patches on the Uridium without looking at the screen. Sorry I couldn’t resist. Good vid. Thanks.

[@JamesonNathanJones]

Someone bring me my blindfold! 🤔😬

[@delscoville]

I have bioth hardware and software. I do have the V Collection. Along with the Keylab Essentials 88, it's like having a collection of synthesizers. As far as hardware, I have a Motif 6 and a new Mod6+.

[@donniecatalano]

Well, the market told everybody that vsts were greatly superior. Then when they needed sales, they told us that we needed physical control for a better experience. Then the new cool was having actual synthesizers... And the loop goes on 😩

[@craigcaudill3999]

I came into the conclusion a month ago that Im sticking with Soft synth after I stupidly baught a Casio workstation thinking I could gow dawless. but after getting my bitwig and Omnisphere2 I think I have all I need. but I'm excited to eventually use my hydrasynth.

[@fuzzix]

Love your videos showing up in my recommendations. Great insight, no dogmatism. I dunno if this means anything to you, but my brain has decided to file you under "The Dan Worall of Composition". As for hardware vs software ... well, I work exclusively in software, and with good reason. I have absolutely no idea what I am doing. If I powered on a load of hardware to do this, it would be an affront to the ethics of economy.