Quantum Mind: Is quantum physics responsible for consciousness & free will?

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Quantum consciousness. Is quantum mechanics responsible for consciousness and free will? There is a reductionist claim that the universe is a sophisticated kind of clock ruled by the laws of physics. Are we sophisticated automatons?
But doesn’t this unpredictability of natural laws via quantum mechanics give us free will?
Sir Roger Penrose tried to tackle this. Is there a quantum physics connection to consciousness that ensures that we have free will?
Reductionism is the idea that any complex system is the sum of its simpler fundamental individual parts. Matter, energy, and the laws of physics that determine how they interact is all there is.
Counter argument is that consciousness is somehow different. If a human being was nothing more than matter and energy, then what would be the difference between a person who is alive, and the same person immediately after his death. All the matter and energy of the person would not have changed. There seems to be one main difference - consciousness.
Rene Descartes proposed the idea of a malicious demon. Such a demon could take over his mind to create a delusion about the reality, that nothing may actually exist. Descartes said, there is one thing that even the evil demon could not delude me of, and this is my sense of existence. He said, “I think, therefore I am.” I can only be fooled if my mind exists, If my mind cannot be fooled about my existence, then my mind must be separate from my body. And this idea of mind-body dualism, is sometimes used to justify free will.
There are 3 choices for how consciousness could arise. One is dualism. Free will is explained, but this would by definition, be supernatural since it is not subject to physical laws.
Second is the materialism. Consciousness is a direct consequence of physical laws. But this view cannot explain free will.
Third is that consciousness results from physical processes that are not yet fully understood, but is ultimately scientifically explainable.
Roger Penrose embraced this third idea. He partnered with anesthesiologist Stuart Hameroff to show that some brain functioning is non-determinable based on the laws of quantum mechanics. Microtubules, made of proteins called tubulin, facilitate the delivery of neurotransmitters in the neurons of brain cells. Tubulin can switch between two states of phosphorylation and be in a superposition. If this is true then each tubulin molecule could act as a quantum bit or qubit. Consciousness is the result of the collapse of the superposed states of this tubulin. Penrose and Hameroff theory is called Orchestrated objective reduction, or the Orch OR theory.
MIT physicist Max Tegmark said that the brain is too wet and warm for delicate quantum effects. Tegmark showed that any superposed state in microtubules would decohere within 10^-13 seconds. This is 10 orders of magnitude faster than the time it takes for any known brain process to occur.
Matthew Fisher, physicist at Univ of California, Santa Barbara also showed that the temperatures needed to maintain superposition based on the frequency of neuronal firing is about 10^-7 kelvin, which is much higher than body temperature - 310 kelvin or 98.6 F.
Fisher proposed a theory where quantum superposition could be maintained in the nucleus of atoms. Certain chemical reactions can produce spin correlated nuclei, where the spin of one nucleus is dependent on another. Since nuclei tend to be more isolated being in the center of atoms, the quantum correlation or entanglement, can be maintained for longer periods of time. He found that the decoherence time for phosphate ion is about 1 second, which is enough time for it to have an effect on brain processing. Such ions are found in ATP. Quantum behavior in the phosphorus nuclear spins could be protected from decoherence if the phosphate ions are incorporated into larger molecules called "Posner molecules."
The main theoretical argument against the quantum consciousness theories is that quantum states in the brain would lose coherency before they reached a scale where they could be useful for neural processing.
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Physicists opposed to the idea point out the evidence from brain fMRI. We still need to explain what Australian Cognitive scientist, David Chalmers calls the "hard problem" of consciousness, the subjective quality of the experience that you have. This subjective conscious experience is qualia.

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I would question his assertion that free will and consciousness are the same thing or even dependent; just because we are aware of our thoughts does not mean we are or need to be, our thoughts...

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@@fiddledotgoth Interesting conjecture. But seeing as how there are no examples of one having self awareness without having free will (that I know of), I think we'd have to assume as much until we can see proof otherwise. As it stands every self aware person ever known has had some degree of free will - instances of mental conditioning/brainwashing notwithstanding.

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@@Antifag1977 Erm, how do you prove that anyone apart from yourself, is self aware...?

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@@fiddledotgoth I can't even prove that I am self aware much less anyone else. It is all best guess on these sort of matters. Sure we have things like the mirror test and the Turing test; but we have developed AI's that have been able to pass them that still aren't what most of us would consider self aware. Who knows? Maybe it is all subjective? . All I can say for certain is from my POV I am self aware and so are all the other humans I have encountered. So far as definitive proof - I am not sure that is possible depending on what one accepts as proof.

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@@Antifag1977 You do not need to prove that you yourself are aware and there is, as yet, no way of proving anyone else is; we take it on best assumption and faith but free will is another matter that has more technical aspects...

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“Perceived consciousness”... something has to be conscious to perceive anything

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technically as long as the definition remains tautologous. But perceive in this context is used in terms of illusion. so instead of it being circular it's more like saying "what we are convinced we consciously perceive is consciousness". Of course even if we did have consciousness (depending on how you define it) you still wont require free will to be in the picture.

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@@richardsaid973 Something unconscious cannot have an illusion, either. I have not heard anyone argue that consciousness implies free will.

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@@scienceexplains302 true. I guess that is the problem with arguing by definitions in general...it has to make sense in order to be sound lol. But I have definitely heard theologians and some academic religious people attempt to rationally that consciousness --> free will simply because they define consciousness as mean your "mind" and this "mind" is your spirit. Anyway it does "seem" true that if it is unconscious it cannot have illusion but I was trying to hint at the case where what we may think is "consciousness" may not be "consciousness" at all. Or perhaps, as by the definition of illusion: "a thing that is or is likely to be wrongly perceived or interpreted by the senses" and demonstrate a world where an AI only has infrared sensors therefore it would not be able to "perceive" anything other than infrared even though there is also gamma, microwave, ultraviolet etc. We can then compare that AI to ourselves however, the only issue is that why we have science and alternate instruments to assist us in understanding the world around us so using the definition of illusion still doesn't really get around that issue.

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Very interesting video, but as a neuroscientist working on the topic, there are a few additional issues i would raise with these types of theories: 1. If indeed consciousness were about microtubules, you'd have to explain why you can lose (e.g. in injury) the microtubules of most parts of the brain and remain conscious whereas losing a relatively small number of microtubules in the central lateral nucleus of thalamus instantly delete consciousness. 2. Phosphorylation is the process used in mitochondria to generate energy to restore out-of-balance gradients after neural activity takes place. They are simply "energy repositories", nothing else. So how that would then generate consciousness would still be very mysterious. 3. Re free will, other than "quantum physics is mysterious just like conscious (so one must explain the other)" how did the randomness/probabilistic nature of quantum phenomena offer a seat for the "volition" of free will?

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Hey Arvin big fan fan your videos & less than 20 min shot that you provide on complex subjects of quantum - best part beyond information & knowledge, you manage to trigger the need to know & understand more on this fascinating subject - but whenever there is an attempt to particles, energy & beyond that physics with subject of human consciousness, it's always been woefully short & wanting - we don't understand particles themselves fully, leave alone they coming together in combination & the outcomes - seems like a leaf trying to explain the structure of tree - we now theorize about multiverse & that we may be living in a 3D holographic state (Lenny Susskind) - based in string theory postulates, and multiverse, where do search conciousness - in our existing state & brains or its projections in other multiverse - Michil kaku admits like fish we probably are not able to see beyond our water envelope - we admit we don't know what we don't know & still we want to push with all conviction "theory of everything" - would it not constitute naivety (my respect & gratitude will definitely not allow me use the term charade here)

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Great video - lots to think about 😀 I think there are accurate ways to try and qualify consciousness: Do they respond to an input / test? Are they capable of communication? Are they self aware? Do they have memory of past events that they use for making decisions or reacting (self-consciousness / qualia)? How or why consciousness happens is interesting too. Is our perception of consciousness purely due to physical conditions? Measuring brain activity as you shared is a great example of viewing the physical actions happening. Consciousness and the mind have reactions to physical elements too- like consuming alcohol or drugs may change your perception or how your consciousness would respond (short term or long term). After watching, I think about folks that are in a vegetative state. Depending on the situation, their brain may physically have the same neural connections, etc- but "something" (due to damage?) is not working as expected. Are these folks still considered conscious? With anesthesia awareness, staff can monitor patient vitals as a way to see a physical response (raised heart rate for example). Do you need to be able to respond to a test a certain way to be qualified as conscious? Thanks for the quality video! 🙂 Raises a lot more questions than it answers (things I have 0 clue about)- but extremely entertaining

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Nice comment! The interesting part regarding the issue of vegetative state is that usually in order to determine whether they are conscious, we hook them up to a brain scanner to determine what kind of activity is going on in the brain. No one presumes any other source of consciousness.

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The objection to the phrase "I think therefore I am", as presented by Georg Lichtenberg, is that rather than supposing an entity that is thinking, Descartes should have said: "thinking is occurring." That is, whatever the force of the cogito, Descartes draws too much from it; the existence of a thinking thing, the reference of the "I," is more than the cogitocan justify. Friedrich Nietzsche criticized the phrase in that it presupposes that there is an "I", that there is such an activity as "thinking", and that "I" know what "thinking" is. He suggested a more appropriate phrase would be "it thinks" wherein the "it" could be an impersonal subject as in the sentence "It is raining." Descartes’s dualism seems to tell us that the interaction between the mental and the physical realms is impossible.The interaction problem isn’t just a gap in the theory. It’s a built-in refutation of the theory.Gottfried Leibniz offered a theory to explain how the two realms interect . According to his theory there is no real causal interaction between the two realms. ○ But at the beginning of the creation, God wound up a physical clock that would carry forward the entire physical history of the universe. Beside it he wound up a clock of mental events to carry forward the mental history of the universe. ○ In his wisdom, God designed the clocks so that they would run perfectly in parallel, side by side, despite the lack of any real link between them. It is known as Leibniz’s doctrine of pre-established harmony. ● Both of these are attempts to live with the implications implicit in Cartesian dualism. If Leibniz’s theories seem like desperate measures, they’re an indication of the desperate measures that a full-blown dualism seems to require.

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Good comment!

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Je pense donc je suis. = I think therefore (or so) I am.

[@MichaelAntonFischer]

The problem with that theory of yours? Conciousness and the physical realm are not separate at all. That much science shows. Also mosst recent quantum experiments suggest that the universe is not deterministic, so no clock was wound up. Everything is "decided" by quantum particles as we go along.

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Evolution = Self Assembling Atoms = Impossible

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@@kennethbransford820 well actually that is not that impossible, if you consider virtual particles.

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Great job Arvin, love your breaking down complex ideas into simple knowbits (knowledge bits) 🙂

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As always Arvin...great stuff!

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Appreciate that.

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Awesome episode! There's so much new info and so many ideas that I'd never even heard of before, I'm going to have to re-watch it a couple times to absorb it all. I've been into this type of stuff for a very decent amount of time, and it's rare to come across a video that doesn't just repeat the whole which-way/collapse/consciousness woo etc etc. It's nice to be introduced to and learn new ideas and theories.

[@McDoodle44]

Totally agree! Usually there's the majority believing in free will as it feels somewhat natural to us. Then there's the contradicting thinkers like Sam Harris who propose that we actually don't have a free will and that it can be proven by neuroscience. This video covers some different, way deeper, finer grained material, which doesn't get to a final conclusion at the end. Fascinating stuff that I haven't come across yet too.

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Clearly we are, our ability to reason and think has in a hubris state of “ we must be special “ when l don’t believe that all. We can only do what the universe permits. Ever mirco is a representation of a macro. Edit: what a beautiful channel

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Glad you enjoyed it

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WOW Awesome subject. THANK YOU.

[@MrBledi25]

love your videos! you are a very good presenter👍👍👍. To my understanding the mind and the body are one , you are not the body or the mind , we have lost the way to identify ourselves,we are having a physical experience but what we are is our inner being soul/spirit ,the bridge which connects our soul to the body is our heart. There is no death , death is a human construct, there is transformation, there is no meaning to the universe meaning lives in our mind , The life as we know it is an inevitable consequence of the universes physical properties. Don’t worry for nothing just enjoy the experience.

[@Thomas..Anderson]

10:23 Should be "much lower".

[@davetinoco]

Hubbard wrote about this extensively. The best description I read was in Fundamentals of Thought. Consciousness is a fascinating subject. I think he called it the “awareness of awareness unit”

[@hanssacosta1990]

Another awesome to add to the collection 🌟👏🏾🙏

[@goertzpsychiatry9340]

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[@rushunnhfernandes]

Great stuff😀 .. Loved it... Would love to see an episode on pilot-eave theory...

[@ArvinAsh]

That's coming soon. Maybe 2 videos from now.

[@rushunnhfernandes]

@@ArvinAsh thanks a lot... Keep up the hard work.. 👏👏

[@MichaelAntonFischer]

Delayed joice experiments pretty much rule out pilot wave theory. Although there are some weird variations that try to account for it. Still no pilot wave explanation has ever shown a mechanism for quantum "decisions"

[@rushunnhfernandes]

@@MichaelAntonFischer sorry but thats incorrect... Bohmian mechanics has a better explanation for it than orthodox QM... For reference go to the part titled 'bohmian interpretation' ... en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheeler%27s_delayed-choice_experiment

[@MichaelAntonFischer]

@@rushunnhfernandes yeah I have seen this "explanation" the problem is that it doesn't work. There are several experiments like the Afshar experiment that are exactly set up to disprove this explanation.

[@selmamemic5986]

I’m very interested in this topic and recently read a book called Life on the Edge (quantum biology). In the book they mention a new research that shows how different parts of cells vibrate (produce waves) and that helps maintain quantum behaviour of a system (meaning particle stays in the wavy state). They even found out 2 different kinds of waves that enable the process, white noise waves (low amplitude, but omnipresent) and ones with specific frequency (sharp spikes). Do you think that could help the micro tubules theory, the one by Penrose?

[@patswayze7359]

Great video...thanks!

[@SonuSingh-sn8qg]

Arvin you are one of the best in the field. Would love to see you live.

[@Phoenix-tv4gb]

Free will is easy to understand, it's one free will since there's only One being, one awareness, one light, one love,one energy.... no body,no mind, all is awareness and the infinite forms is actually energy ... no confusion, once you experience it for yourself, it is very clear! 😍💖🕊️🎶

[@akostarkanyi825]

For me this sounds so that then there is no point in the existence of any individual person or of the history of the Universe. "Everything is just one... er....Thing." And for what, then? No, I am Christian.

[@ayzadiaz]

@@akostarkanyi825 to experience ourselves

[@akostarkanyi825]

@@ayzadiaz And... So what?

[@ayzadiaz]

@@akostarkanyi825 ask yourself why, you’ll get the answer, it’s not in a word

[@1CProgrammer]

After watching this video my mind is in super position state, I understand video and I didn't understand video

[@oktc68]

Wow, very interesting. Thank you

[@JwalinBhatt]

Excellent video!

[@lbarudi]

A video that references both Max Tegmark and David Chalmers is a video that certainly has my like

[@tomashull9805]

Tegmark was proven wrong about the brain being too wet and too warm for quantum processes...He never retracted his false claims...

[@leonherrera7957]

​@@tomashull9805 any source on that?

[@tomashull9805]

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/01/140116085105.htm

[@leonherrera7957]

@@tomashull9805 interesting indeed, but still pretty far from consensus (as one quick Google search will point out). No offense dude, but saying Tegmark was "proven wrong" based solely on still disputed claims sounds like a bit of a stretch

[@tomashull9805]

What were Tegmark's claims? The brain is too wet and too warm for quantum processes. What was found? Quantum vibrations in microtubules of brain neurons... I don't care that some, including Tegmark, don't like the evidence against their beliefs... Consensus? Don't make laugh...

[@prateekgupta2408]

I love it when he says *The explanation is coming up right now*

[@3xAudio]

Love your videos friend keep it up. Gonna start making more of my own because of these. Hopefully can use your stuff and style as some inspiration.

[@goertzpsychiatry9340]

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[@RicardoRojasBedoya]

Hi Arvin! From Peru again. Just a short note to point out that my guild (I am a neuroscientist) is not making the adequate distinctions therefore they are not using the vocabulary correctly. For example they are not distinguishing between ATTENTION, INTENTION, MOTIVATION, SENTIENCE - all of which are EPI PHENOMENA and CONSCIOUSNESS & ITS OFFSHOOTS! As long as they keep this up the conceptual problem is not only unsolvable but it is also being mucked up by this! As always Beautiful job my dear friend😉!

[@frede1905]

Something I often think about is the difference between my sense of self, and your sense of self. I mean, if we are just big collections of atoms and molecules placed at various different locations, then how can it be that I am conscious in my body, and you in yours? I mean, if the "me" is a part of my physical brain and body, and not something "outside" of it, then how is this illusion of "me" created in this body, and not in some other body, and in particular, how can different "me"'s be created in different bodies? This is really hard to explain, but what I basically wanna know is what is stopping "me" from being conscious in all other bodies, and not just mine? I mean, we are just huge collections of atoms, so I don't see why my sense of self can't be extended to all other humans. What is "stopping" it from doing that? I am probably gonna sound crazy to anyone reading this comment, but I promise that it isn't that crazy, it's just insanely hard to explain. But anyways, this is really something that bothers me, and I'd really like to discuss it, if anyone out there can relate to what I am talking about.

[@itobitobobbobitob3663]

Yes, I get it. I have not much to add, not in regards of physics or real explanations. The thought is very interesting to me, too. In Buddhism and to same regard in Hinduism there is this idea that the notion of self is a false notion/illusion and that "reality" is just one unified flow and our conscious/ego is creating a divide. So maybe conciousness is the very thing preventing you from feeling your "me" in others and all things? Dunno, just reminded me of what you described.

[@frede1905]

@@TheKaraqi4 Yes, but I think that "oneness" is just a feeling, an experience you get when you take those drugs. I'll come into your brain and alter your perception of reality, and I am sure scientists soon will find an explanation of how it does that (if they haven't already). But that explanation is in some way or another based on our perception when we DON'T take the drugs, because if they figure out how the drugs do what they do, then that discovery is probably based on measuring brain activity when somebody has it in them. And, knowing what "usual" brain activity does to our consciousness, then can most likely figure out how the "new" activity alters this perception. So there's still the question of how the "usual" brain activity creates this conscious awareness. Also, even if this "oneness" existed, then I still don't understand why the consciousness separates into different bodies when we don't have the drugs.

[@frede1905]

@@TheKaraqi4 I still don't quite see why we can't perceive other's consciousness. I mean, by which specific physical process does this ego make sure that my "me" can't be extended to other bodies?

[@solomontruthlover5308]

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[@vaisakhk4564]

I was home alone and with lights out when watching this. The last part sure gave me a jump scare.

[@anotherarmchairhistorian2831]

Yeah that really creeped me out too..lol I certainly wasn't expecting it.

[@vaisakhk4564]

It's worse when you are not expecting it.

[@vaisakhk4564]

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[@anotherarmchairhistorian2831]

@@vaisakhk4564 unless you have some dimethyltryptamine I'm not interested.

[@vaisakhk4564]

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[@smartscience5305]

Hello sir another time. Your video is really helpful . And I usually seek on internet to understand more about quantum consciousness, and your video is really really really helpful.

[@AutisticThinker]

Mind blown! Thank you! :)

[@clapton79]

I read Free Wifi instead of free will and asked loudly WHERE WHERE? LOL

[@azaleaslight7243]

🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

[@swamiaman7708]

Who is the observer inside us ? Are we observing inside or outside ? Does observation make difference in our thoughts pattern ? Our thoughts are becoming our actions so observation is affecting our action too ... it seems ! Are we inside the world or world is inside us ? Please answer Sir .... Only you can answer these questions ......

[@ArvinAsh]

I think there is an objective reality outside of your mind.

[@Qrexx1]

Many people miss the difference between observation and measurement. Quantum systems in superposition need Measurement not Observation. Measurement doesn't require a conscious being. It's simply the interaction of 2 or more systems.

[@swamiaman7708]

@@Qrexx1 I am using the word observation for observing things inside our own mind and the fact is that we are observing everything inside our own mind. From outside we are just getting signals. What we are observing is recreation of reality in our own mind. There observer plays wonderful role. There too observation changes objects of observation just like in dreams.

[@daveanderson718]

Thought provoking. thank you.

[@TM-yn4iu]

A fantastic and open insight to a complex and diverse interpretation or opinion(all sound) of what we yet have the capability of understanding. I do appreciate these videos, as they help me, and others, to appreciate science as an open/valid research that until it proven, it is theory. Theory that is based on true research. Much thanks.

[@KasiusKlej]

One thing we were taught at school, when learning how to program an artificial intelligence software. In order for consciousness to arise, a certain feedback loop mechanism is required. In our bodies it's the signal loop, that starts from our brain thinking let's move a leg, then leg moves, then our senses pick up the signal from here, we see the leg has moved. Luckily programming loops in computer science is easy. We made a machine, an automaton you would say, that can think and play chess. We believe, or at least our school does, that this machine is conscious. It lives in different sort of universe than we do, though, the fundamental law of this universe being that there is a non stop chess tournament going on. And the beast never falls asleep. And the first time people noticed that this AI might have a mind of his own, is when the machine started to deliberately lose some of the games. Therefore, we think, quantum effects are not neccessary for consciousness and free will. Automaton could have a free will, if cleverly built.

[@ArvinAsh]

Interesting. Thanks for the comment.

[@tomashull9805]

And how successful has the artificial intelligence software industries have been in making AI conscious? Last time I heard they were cautiously optimistic without any results though...

[@KasiusKlej]

If you ever saw a sleeping crocodile, thinking he's awake, then you'd notice how difficult it is sometimes to recognize the state the animal is in. The software industries deal with the same problem, except they don't deal with such complex bodies as crocodile's for now. They attach much simpler bodies to their AI brain, like a robot hand with a paintbrush that paints masterpieces for example. The thing may be alive and conscious, still many say it rather looks like a robot and half asleep.

[@tomashull9805]

@@KasiusKlej You can tell what a crocodile is thinking? Why are you wasting your time on AI? You should be playing the stock market... 😉

[@Bolizen]

@@KasiusKlej Did you take something or did you not take something?

[@MacedonianHero]

Plus who says free will exists? That hasn't ever been proven.

[@nileshkulkarni6196]

Peter yup

[@geemanbmw]

@@nileshkulkarni6196 true and that's scary

[@angadsingh9314]

Depends on what you mean by free will tbh

[@nileshkulkarni6196]

Gman k but existence of pure determinism tells us that our current science is correct

[@MacedonianHero]

@@angadsingh9314 The traditional meaning. But I suppose that can be altered and then its just mental masturbation.

[@dickarmstrong4092]

Thanks for this awesome video. The subject is something I've studied and given much thought to for many years. The more I learn, the more complex the puzzle becomes. I love the exploration of these ideas and I hope and I think someday there may be enough data to have a better understanding of this really important topic. In the meantime, it's a worthwhile endeavor to study and meditate on the issue.

[@schmetterling4477]

If you have studied it for many years and it became more complex, then you didn't study it well, because at the heart of it it's all pretty trivial.

[@sumitradevi5498]

You made my day , Arvin

[@tomashull9805]

There exists experiential evidence showing that consciousness may also defile space and time. MRI brain scan images indicated brain stimulation prior to the stimulus... In other words, patients hooked up to very sensitive equipment and during MRI scans showed specific parts of brain activities before the images where shown to the patients... consistently...

[@MichaelAntonFischer]

That is one of the reasons why I think the Transactional Interpretation (while not complete) is probably the best theory we have on quantum "decisions".

[@a64738]

I have heard about that before and when I looked into it seemed like they had forgot to account for the delay we all experience when we see something, thus making it look like people was reacting before it "happened" since they bypassed this delay in experience when using a MRI to observe the change.

[@tomashull9805]

@@a64738 You should read about it FIRST, before repeating unsubstantiated claims....

[@tomashull9805]

@@mxultra8995 With an outstanding predictability? Have you seen the actual experiment? The brain stimuli doesn't happened via blood circulation... too slow...

[@roblovestar9159]

LOL! Defile space and time? Quit thinking dirty thoughts! ;)

[@Fastlan3]

Consciousness disappears at "death" because the chain reaction of converting appropriate properties of energy for which the system of the body relies, becomes incapable of continue said transfer of energy.

[@tomashull9805]

Unless consciousness is quantum and if it is,quantum information doesn't disappear...

[@Fastlan3]

@@tomashull9805 the process from which consciousness arises might be quantum, and the energy that it consist of might not be destroyed, but the ability to continue the particular process of energy transfer from which consciousness arises is completely compromised, consciousness itself does indeed seem to disappear.

[@jamalnamdari4934]

Thank you for this brilliant clip.

[@ArvinAsh]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@BobHamiltonnewradio]

Fantastic! Thank you!

[@mr.lumbergh7273]

The brain is a large-enough structure that any superpositions would decohere very quickly. This is also what arguments such as the moon not existing if no one is looking are untrue; the moon would also decohere immediately.

[@ArvinAsh]

Sure. Looking at things makes no difference in the macro world.

[@nicholastidemann9384]

That's exactly what Penrose and Hameroff are arguing against. You're not the first one to state that the brain is too "warm, wet, and noisy" for superpositions to last long enough to have real effects, but this is precisely what they are saying is not the case, and that in certain structures such superpositions do indeed persist for long enough to affect the large-scale electrical signalling of the brain, and ultimately to determine on a macroscopic scale how the entire body moves. Note that this is not analogous to the Moon at all, because the Moon lacks these microscopic structures which cascade up to maintain superpositions of neuronal activity.

[@mr.lumbergh]

@@nicholastidemann9384 Yes. You're pointing out exactly why I think a strict interpretation of the observation argument is lazy. Yet it persists.

[@birdthompson]

Buddha might say: all that matters is that you realize there is no "I"

[@jasethconnor6501]

I must catch up on Penrose! Great video

[@miyumaftonxd8388]

Fascinated.. Well explained.. Yet the quest remains..for Conscious...

[@gonzalogarcia6517]

Consciousness is an emergent phenomenon product of quantum entanglement and the uncertainty principle

[@numero6285]

ou pas

[@MichaelAntonFischer]

Exactly

[@MichaelAntonFischer]

@meow there actually are several papers on this, but for a Nobel the experimentation needs to be in and unfortunately a few of the most critical experiments are not technologically possible, yet.

[@MichaelAntonFischer]

@meow yeah point taken. Still at this point the evidence we have points to him being right and we don't have a better explanation.

[@MagruderSpoots]

Posnerd molecules. Now you know where nerds come from.

[@ArvinAsh]

Lol. I hope you comment on all my videos! haha. I need a laugh sometimes.

[@esrathe-first9316]

People seem to think that free will exists. But what is free will, when you have to follow set rules to do so? You cannot live without eating, sleeping or feeling. Free will is the illusion necessary to create the idea of consciousness. The free will to chose, is not free will. To consciously know that you are making a choice doesn't mean that you are conciosly aware of the choice. Our senses take in the waves, a small amount of them. We sense less than we sense. Our brains chose what to remember and what not. Then we make decisions based on the scraps. That is not free will, or as much free will as a prisoner in solitary confinement. We cannot begin to understand our existence until we can understand why we exist. But it is fascinating, to hear the theories regarding this. I think therfore I am. I decide on choices, therfore I think I am. Great video.

[@dr.satishsharma9794]

Excellent..... thanks 🙏.

[@LeTtRrZ]

Very good talk. I've often thought about individual experiences, and having learned a little bit about machine learning, I'm inclined to say one thing: It's not necessarily about what exactly it's like to experience, for example, the color red, it's about how that experience compares to others and how it interacts with memory. If you were to teach a deep learning algorithm to identify colors without giving them the specific hex codes, color codes, or color names, it would essentially look at, for example, red, and conclude "Ah, that's similar to the first color I ever saw". The same parts of the AI would be stimulated as when it first saw red. Other parts of the AI that are usually stimulated when it sees other colors such as blue would not be stimulated. I have never actually tried this, however. This is just speculation on my part.

[@ArvinAsh]

Interesting insight! Thank you.

[@XEinstein]

A century ago people perhaps assumed consciousness came from electromagnetism because QM hadn't been described yet. They did not have the physics nor the language yet to describe consciousness in terms of QM. So why would we presume now that there is a connection between QM and consciousness. Since there is no data nor evidence supporting these ideas there is no reason to assume that there a connection at all. My gut feeling (which is worthless, I know) tells me that slowly but steadily there seems to be data to support something underlying QM. Something that has to do, it seems, with information, entanglement and entropy. Perhaps in another century we will have developed a full theory of that underlying 'layer' and perhaps then we'll presume consciousness is linked to information entropy. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@MichaelAntonFischer]

Actually we are nearing it down. Many world's is nonsense. Hidden variables has been disproven and pilot wave is looking less and less likely. So we are left with either a non-real universe, a true stochastic universe or something like the Transactional Interpretation, which is not fully completed yet, but seems to me to be the most promising option.

[@Joleyn-Joy]

In fact there are some reasons. You might think it's not enough but they exist.

[@MichaelAntonFischer]

@Generic Normie well me too.

[@MichaelAntonFischer]

@Generic Normie yeah well the physical definition of non-reality is even worse than what you seem to be referring to.

[@solomontruthlover5308]

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[@bkenglandUTube]

I liked this, Arvin; thanks! Covering the different angles of how consciousness is interpreted makes the most sense. Rather than sticking with just the materialistic approach, which, while possibly the correct one, seems unnecessarily limiting to me (like "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain). One reason folks like Richard Dawkins are so galling to me. Thank you for looking both within and outside "the box."

[@ArvinAsh]

That was my goal. Glad you liked it!

[@chrisaxis5043]

Really exceptional explanation on such complex topic sir