As The Blade Turns: Russia is Back with Maya Bagriantseva

[@jainet1898]

58:58 Maya why do you find it strange to choose Vasilisa and Maxim but not Khavronina and David? These two duos have a very small difference in points both in the Grand Prix stages (in which both duos won silver with very similar points) and in the national championship, which unfortunately was due to a mistake in an element that cost them 4 points. Vasilisa and Maxim have been together for barely 1 year and 2 months and they are already competing against the most experienced and winning couples. They broke into the famous "tail" in figure skating, nobody can believe it, each competition they become stronger and at an incredible speed. I hope that being the daughter of influential people like Khavronina is not the reason why they would choose them over these two.. also, her father is military

[@christinasteele8839]

Kaganovskaia/Nekrasov are a breath of fresh air that is actually bringing attention to ice dance. Their speed, his power, her ability to captivate an arena is truly special. How so called “experts” can’t see that is truly baffling.

[@toryrodark4671]

True, I love them❤. I started following Russian ice dancing because of them.

[@alyonabu]

Maya is just a personal hater of Kaganovskaya. She can't forgive her for the split with Angelopol. Interesting but in that duo she liked Vasilisa, now unexpectedly Vasilisa stopped being good 😅

[@junglesuperstar9270]

Cirizano and Pasechnik have better speed .

[@mmg1800]

@@junglesuperstar9270 they're bland, unsalted. In ice dance charisma and presence is important. Pasechnik and Chirizano are not memorable at all

[@alexanderfabianna6635]

What's the story behind Maya's dislike for Vasilisa Kaganovskaya? Not the first time she's so dismissive of her since the moment Dave says her name. She's great and I've been following Russian ice dance. The Russian Federation is pushing for Kaganovskaya Nekrasov and the Krylova/Gorshkov coaching tandem. It's just not their time yet (You know, internal politics) but I do see them as the next big ice dance team vs Khavronina and Narizhny when Stepanova and Khudaiberdieva retire.

[@jurybounackoff3025]

Maya loves Dario)

[@Осень-и5х]

Я узнала,что ей нравилась пара Кагановская/ Ангелопол. Но Василисе было очень плохо и тяжело рядом с Валерой. Поймите! Она не игрушка,она- живая и заслуживает быть счастливой.❤

[@christinasteele8839]

She is not impartial apparently. KN are great together, they have adult chemistry together, not teenage angst like the past. I agree with you that KN and HN will be the future of ice dance.

[@Осень-и5х]

​@@christinasteele8839 Спасибо. Я тоже вижу и чувствую,что они будут в будущем сильной и любимой многими парой.

[@butterfly6546]

Maya is an unprofessional journalist,she is a fan of medvedeva,tuktik and kostornaija. Compliments them and throws shit at others.

[@ebalona5828]

Maya is a good expert but her dislike for Kaganovskaia is so clear (especially if you check her podcasts in Russian) which makes her expertise on Russian ice dance questionable at most, because it is not about the pairs it is Dario vs Vasilisa, and Liza and Maxim are out of the picture for her somehow 😅

[@deea9633]

But why does she dislike Vasilisa?

[@ebalona5828]

@deea9633 idk really, but she always reacts like this, you can hear her sigh every time someone prefer Vasilisa over other russian ice dance pairs lol, some people say because of the kagapol break up, some people say that she really likes Dario and rn KN ranked higher than them (undeserved for her opinion), and there were rumors that Dario tried to leave rusfed they didn't allow him (that's true), then he returned to try to skate with Vasilisa (idk if it's true) but she chose Maxim, so idk but she has some prejudice toward Vasilisa for sure

[@christinasteele8839]

@@ebalona5828well, was she at the arena? If not, I will take the judges opinion through scores more than from someone who wasn’t even there.

[@alyonabu]

​@@christinasteele8839she has never seen them on the arena, only on TV

[@mmg1800]

I think Kaganovskaya/ Nekrasov are great. She's the kind of girl you love in ice dance and Maxim is tall and elegant. Yes, the teenage spark she had with Angelopol is lost but Maxim Nekrasov is a great skater. Even if Angelopol didn't have behavior issues he was already struggling to lift Vasilisa. After that he was paired with Shinkarenko he left her too, she got tall for him, Angelopol is not an option anymore, Vasilisa's body changed and they don't match anymore(he had his boots modified since he was with Vasilisa, his heels are higher than normal skates).I don't get why Maya would chose Chirizano over Vasilisa and Maxim.

[@junglesuperstar9270]

Because cirizano and pasechnik can dance . Unlike vasilisa who is a weird mixture of acrobatics and Brazilian over drama

[@sirena3470]

​@junglesuperstar9270 Chirizano and Pasechnik may be technically good, but they don't have any charisma. They are just so forgettable. Vasilisa Kaganovskaia has that it factor that makes people interested and invested in her. There is a reason why she is literally more popular than Olympic champion ice dancers. Evgenia Medvedeva dominated the sport during her time even though she had horrendous jumping technique. At the end of the day, this sport is ARTISTIC figure skating and being able to sell a good show is extremely important

[@ebalona5828]

​@@junglesuperstar9270they can skate but lifts and spins well...

[@fxcoin4529]

@@junglesuperstar9270Pasechnik and Chirizano literally struggle with lifts all the time, their twizzles also not good, it’s the first time they did it without huge mistakes only at RusNats, Liza step sequence was level 1 two competitions in a row, so I would beg to differ that they “can skate”, and other couple can’t. And I actually saw both couples live, and Vasilisa and Maxim speed is much better than Chirizano and Pasechnik

[@olgasmirnova4588]

​@@sirena3470Why do you constantly write nasty things about Zhenya?! 80% of figure skaters have flutz, but it’s always Evgenia’s fault?!

[@WOWitsANT]

I hope Maya knows how much people actually enjoy her perspective. I feel like she thinks she’s disliked and that makes me sad lol.

[@ingrid4587]

She is -disliked as Dave

[@alexac3098]

@@ingrid4587I love Maya.

[@ingrid4587]

@@alexac3098 you are using word -love -very generously

[@rltrn26]

I love that David has the background knowledge about Russia and all the nuances involved. He is a great skating educator.

[@BrookeP87]

Dave thank you so much for putting this together so quickly! You knew exactly who we would all be dying to hear from. And Maya thank you so much for making yourself available for us! I would LOVE to see The Empress finally get her shot at the Olympics.

[@alexac3098]

Not likely. RUSFED has to submit the names of the two skaters (1 quota plus one backup) in two months that they want to go to the qualifying competition next September. Liza hasn’t competed since…2022-23 and just missed Russian Nationals 2025 which will serve as the comp they will base their decision on. She hasn’t even trained in over a year. I love her but her career is over. Russia’s choice is likely Adeliya Petrosian.

[@BrookeP87]

⁠@@alexac3098 Listen a girl can dream ok? If they pick Petrosian she will be denied.

[@BrookeP87]

@ A girl can dream ok? Petrosian would be denied.

[@alexac3098]

@@BrookeP87 I wrote this comment before watching the whole video, didn’t think about it but you’re right that Adelia won’t be okayed. And although I still stand by most of what I said about Liza, I think there could be an outside chance they could try to name her as the alternate. No way to know how the ISU would judge her appearance in that one Plushenko show (I remember when it happened and her tweeting in real time in a panic). Her reaction could be viewed favorably by the ISU. But the fact that she hasn’t trained in 2 years is going to be a big issue as she’s lost her 3A (according to Dave). But her being well known in the international community, lots of international experience, and being from Mishin’s camp are all very favorable attributes.

[@shimarisu9472]

Non c'è posto per la discriminazione nella mia percezione del mondo (si spera anche per molti altri). Grandi abbracci ai pattinatori russi ❤

[@seashellez]

Everyone knew what was up when the Olympic qualifier was a new event in China.

[@dr.indeanadegraff6929]

Also I've seen neutral athletes from Russia, Belarus, for the first time in 2.5 yrs in the recent world swimming competition in Hungary- so I knew all sports will be opening doors now

[@timothy2491]

If we allow russians back, Two words: Edge calls!

[@Figurefigureskating123Skating]

Agreed, they never seem to get called for anything. Check out the Detailed scores and the American women in particular get called out for everything it seems like as well as some American men. Most skaters aren't completely clean, but do it across the board equitably.

[@yohanes2034]

@@josephl.mulvihill817agree she should be getting e most of the time and ! if tech panel feeling generous. In Jnats when her lutz got greenlighted with no review is just too funny, just like Zhenya Olympic FS moment. However, Kaori still got ! From time to time unlike Russian skaters so there’s that at least

[@LisaAllyssa]

Good luck with that 😮😢. And proper PCS

[@mht4908]

Edge calls also don't apply to certain skaters as well, it's not just the Russians who are getting away with it. Examples include Kaori Sakamoto, Isabeau Levito, Loena Hendrickx, Wakaba Higuchi, Haein Lee, Amber Glenn and more

[@timothy2491]

@@mht4908 all those skaters have received edge calls. But the russians dont AT ALL. (Those specifically with eteri). Flutzgenia received her first edge call when she was with brian orser

[@will74lsn]

The real news is Nobunari Oda performing at 37 beautiful 4T3T 3A 3Lz in the SP at 2024 All Japan! Mind blowing 🥰🤩🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯

[@Rachel-rs7jn]

Oh my gosh, yes, that was so impressive!

[@trl_xprking1425]

the ISU is hijacking the sport 😢😢 let the Russians compete , they do so much to raise the sport levels ❤❤

[@annahamilton4235]

Good show, Dave. People might have all kinds of opinions (and I’m sure some of them will be very vocal in the comments), but good journalism is about providing diverse views and opinions. Well done and please don’t be discouraged by some overzealous comments. I hope you’ll have great views for this show and will continue building yourself a strong brand name in sports journalism.

[@trylogic4084]

That's very kind of you, but I think you're underestimating the brand that Dave already is. He knows everyone and everything in figure skating. If you look back through all of the interviews he's done on his show, top skaters, top coaches, top choreographers, top costume designers, judges who helped write the ijs system, technical callers. He even interviewed Katya Gordieva, for crying out loud. Skating show directors, people who have made skating movies. You name it. He's been around for a while.

[@LisaAllyssa]

Dave is totally right about how the last Olympics left a lasting impact. The images of Kamila crying, Sasha screaming in anger, and Anna being totally blank will stay with me as a reminder of how adults failed those kids - all for the medals, the system, and probably Eteri’s ego. I honestly can’t understand why any parent would put their kid in that kind of environment. And yet, last night, Eteri called out Sonya Akatieva for not trying hard enough, and the comment section was full of people supporting that behavior. It’s honestly just messed up.

[@d.trance6637]

But isnt that what we all want : DRAMA? (and it was not as entertaining as Tonya vs Nancy, but nearly) or do you want boring japanese skating from 1982.

[@jurybounackoff3025]

It is ok that you don't understand..it needs brain) Sasha Trusova has something about 3 million dollars, Anya close to 1, Alina and Evgeniya has much more.. And they have a clear path and possibility of insane careers. Maybe this will answer your misunderstanding)) "Failed them.." you just don't understand what are you talking about..

[@LisaAllyssa]

@ it is ok to be an as…le. Don’t worry, I am sure somebody in this world still loves you, like your mom

[@jurybounackoff3025]

@@LisaAllyssa maybe my three figure skater kids)) Losers will never understand winners. It is ok) Live your pitiful aimless life with peace..you will never understand what success takes

[@LisaAllyssa]

@@d.trance6637 I could tolerate the drama if the girls were at least five years older-then it might actually resemble a mature decision. At least Alina and Zhenya, who were the same age, kept their rivalry within the bounds of sportsmanship and made it compelling. But Beijing? What happened in there was a masterclass in how to ruin everything-zero class, zero benefit to the sport, and a disaster no one deserved to endure. The only thing worse than this mess was Kostornaya’s cringe-worthy apology interview.

[@kimakamaddog]

Trusova screaming at Eteri and giving the finger during the medal ceremony were extremely entertaining. And completely in keeping with her skater personality.

[@sahpire75]

She didn’t flip her the bird? Where can I find this ?

[@christinethorp3684]

​@@sahpire75It was subtle. Watch the medal ceremony again.

[@christinethorp3684]

Actually, it was the ceremony at the arena, not the actual medal ceremony.

[@Oocrs3158]

It sounds like there’s a loophole that would allow Petrosian to compete since the rule focuses on any association with Kamila *after* the ban. Neither Team Tut nor Adeliya appear to have breached that.

[@fxcoin4529]

Nobody would send Kkavronina and Narizhny to Olympics, because her father literally works with Russian military complex and doing construction work in Mariupol

[@julienixon2686]

If Kostornaia came back to singles she could be neutral? She still has the jumps bar the triple axel. And the skating skills. I would love to see the Empress back too.

[@junglesuperstar9270]

She can't come back to singles

[@julienixon2686]

@ never say never when it comes to Kosto. Wishful thinking on my part admittedly.

[@elnurhussein9025]

Because of Eteri’s Russian girl I’m watching your shows. So, they are the best. Deal with it 😂😂😂😂

[@LisaAllyssa]

16:45 Yes Dave!!! Where can we sign up for Liza ❤❤❤? I agree with you, Adelya is going to be in Akatyava’s shoes in a year.

[@miriam3848]

You say 'if you take war and doping out of it'... Except you can't ignore that and pretend everything is fine because otherwise your fav entertainment doesn't have enough spark and becomes just that bit less showy! Priorities

[@TheSkatingLesson]

It was a specific question about the level of competition in figure skating being sustainable.

[@miriam3848]

@@TheSkatingLesson competition will adapt to keep being sustainable.

[@ingrid4587]

He is being paid by ruzzia -so he is spreading their propaganda word to word -it’s almost as if I am watching ruzzian channel -🤡 is saying no competition in pairs 😳:German,Japanese and Georgian teams are 👌 exclusive,yet forgot Chinese as well

[@touche3225]

@@miriam3848it’s clearly not doing that.

[@emilymcmahon2670]

When I tell you I dropped everything and hit play😭

[@b.reamsnider1328]

Thank you, Dave! I was also thinking Elizaveta and was beyond happy when you spoke her name! I 💯 agree with that choice!!!

[@Ali_d800]

Liza doesn't know who he is lol

[@julia-nc6ox]

Thank you for this. I'm not sure how I feel about this personally but if it's good for the sport well, what can you do. You are so right about Elizaveta. This is the one skater I would be truly excited for! I think she was 12 when I saw her live!

[@mht4908]

I really want the Empress to finally make an Olympics, but considering she stopped competing for a while, I'm not sure how well it'll work out. I also want to see Sasha Trusova make it and win the gold she missed out on, but she has to restore and get consistent on her quads to have a shot against Adelia. With her go getter mindset and her extraordinary willpower, I hope she can do it

[@joannm.1756]

Thank goodness for Maya.

[@stsin7]

So Dave decided to share these vids with us on YT again, that’s good!

[@sschimel]

Once again, Dave, excellent journalism, and Maya is an awesome guest.

[@curseknight5]

i stand by Liza!

[@ladymissg76]

Watching and enjoying the replay so much! Pass the popcorn! 🍿

[@kfo2520]

Fascinating and informative, as usual - thank you, Dave. Loved seeing Maya in the Kosto documentary!

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@msmo2060]

That Kosto documentary part 1 was just incredible… waiting for part 2

[@sahpire75]

Where can I see it?

[@pgk3052]

Kosternaya is probably more entertaining cleaning a toilet than a lot of boring, formulaic, repetitive, programs out there. I miss that Sassy Girl!!!❤🎉

[@LimonMitZukerki]

ahhah as much as i agree about her being a great entertainer...she is awful to work / live with. poor gosha

[@pgk3052]

@@LimonMitZukerki I imagine you are spot on with that assessment!

[@LimonMitZukerki]

@@pgk3052 haven't you watched the documentary about her yet? 😁

[@Astrid1111-xx4zc]

Where can I watch this documentary????

[@pgk3052]

@LimonMitZukerki I have not , but I want to. Maybe Christmas Day??

[@d.trance6637]

What agreat show. David at his best - Maya as her best. so much good infos

[@ingai7014]

Ruzzian bot -so you think

[@d.trance6637]

@@ingai7014 dave had to admitt that he misses russian skating

[@ingai7014]

@ he is paid by Kremlin

[@d.trance6637]

@@ingai7014 Go Woike - Go Broke.

[@ingai7014]

@@d.trance6637 I don’t speak orcs

[@PandaPanda-cn7yn]

This morning, Russia launched missiles into central Kyiv, causing significant damage near the National Olympic Sports Complex and the Catholic Church. Is this the ISU's "Happy Christmas!" to Ukrainian skaters?

[@rojurr]

if it’s just about human tragedy + war and not doping, the ISU has many countries that need to be disqualified

[@ingrid4587]

@@rojurrhow about :every day putin threatens world with nukes ?

[@naeemdollie6836]

We did not see a connection between say a Serena Williams and the ill-doings during *Operation Falconer in Iraq and *Operation Enduring Freedom in Afghanistan, and let her compete. A precedent has been set - a country can be an invader and it's athletes can compete on all competition stages.

[@CarmenRosaMarisolZoila]

The russian skaters are not the russian governemt same as us skaters are not the us government. Leave these girls alone

[@ingrid4587]

@ what century are you living :only your argument:we can do it too ?do you rewind back your memory:how many protests in USA 🇺🇸 and millions marching against invasion in Iraq ?any athlete of USA 🇺🇸 you can name was openly supporting war ?not to mention -we had 911 -what’s ruzzia was suffering from ?did any USA 🇺🇸 president threatened entire world with nukes ?go fix your brain fart and try again

[@butterfly6546]

In order to make a film about a career, you must first make a career. Kostornaya had 1 season,and one title, and even that was minor - European champion

[@sirena3470]

European and Grand Prix Final champion. It's extremely likely that she was also going to become the World Champion in 2020 if it wasn't canceled due to Covid

[@vs7639]

The ISU has never been an organization that has actively created stars in the sport. Yuzuru Hanyu’s rise to fame was a result of specific circumstances, the only other example I can think of the same magnitude is Sonja Henie’s success in the 1930s which was also influenced by unique circumstances. These athletes were exceptional, but their greatness was not solely due to their skill in the sport. The ISU has never learned nor desired to create one superstar in figure skating and there is no indication they will start doing so now. Figure skating requires athletes who possess winning streaks, a strong personality, a certain “it” factor, as well as favorable circumstances. While these elements have been present in figure skating throughout its history, they have not always been combined at the same time. GOE and skating skills are what make figure skating “artistic” and enjoyable to watch, but they are also challenging to explain and can be biased. No one would read the rules or watch the ISU videos to understand how the sport is graded. Figure skating cannot change this aspect because it is an integral part of it. Entertainment in figure skating primarily comes from the choreography and the athlete’s ability to express themselves, which can create likable stars but also make the sport repetitive and stale. To add insult to injury casual fans often overlook the athleticism involved in figure skating “believing” it does not take much to achieve success “it’s just some spins and some jumps” which no one can differentiate. At this point, figure skating fans should be grateful that we still have a sport to watch. Drama may sell in the short term, but it is not sustainable. Champions come and go and no one cares, not even skating fans. There is no attachment.

[@LisaAllyssa]

Where can I watch Kostornaya documentary?

[@ingai7014]

Back in ruzzia

[@rodijomuller840]

I saw it on KZbin yesterday - but it's been removed 😢

[@LisaAllyssa]

@@ingai7014never been to Russia, so not sure how I can go back. It will end up on KZbin eventually

[@ingai7014]

@@LisaAllyssa good for you :stay safe

[@donnamitchell888]

Do you have any idea when synchronizedSkating teams from Russia will be included?

[@ingai7014]

ruzzian bots want to know ?

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Not yet

[@ClarkJohnson-oq9ue]

No, it is not good good for figure skating to allow a country committing war crimes to have athletes compete.

[@joeyartk]

@@ClarkJohnson-oq9ue Israel?

[@ClarkJohnson-oq9ue]

@ they should be banned as well. Did you really think you had a gotcha question there? You poor thing.

[@flywings111]

USA should also be banned.

[@ClarkJohnson-oq9ue]

@ bless your heart. I forgot where the US was actively kidnapping Ukrainian children and telling them they are Russian. I forgot where the US is actively using rape as a tool in war. I forgot where the US is actively sending missiles into the centers of cities as a tool of terror. I forgot where the US is actively taking away territory from a sovereign country. I forgot where the US is saying they will use nuclear missiles as offensive tools. Russian apologists are so cute

[@JFRIGER]

@@Loren123fulwhataboutism At its finest

[@razniraboti3992]

I agree with Maya, it's unclear yet that the Ukrainian sanctions list will be reviewed, and it includes so far: Boikova Kozlovski, Galliamov, Aliev, Bukin Stepanova, Semenenko, Kondratiuk, Kostornaia and LIza Tuktamisheva.

[@janethuppi6041]

Maya is great. I always enjoy her perspective.

[@joeyartk]

4th place is good enough for Wakaba to make World's if Shimada is on the podium.

[@yohanes2034]

The ranking order of SP is actually what I prefer in regards to world and 4cc assignments. Discounting Shimada, the first 3 send to worlds and the next 3 eend to 4CC. Japan have so much depth that I don't think sending skaters to both world and 4cc is a good idea

[@joeyartk]

@yohanes2034 The 3rd spot will go to whoever skates best tomorrow. Chiba clearly is being favored by the Fed. She didn't even get an edge call that was obvious, after she got called twice on it at GPF, so she probably will be second unless she bombs. Honestly Shimada should be in first and Kaori and Mone should be in that big group with Higuchi and Matsuike. But politics isnt only in international events

[@davidkane5065]

Did someone say Elizaveta Tuktamysheva?

[@DeserveGold]

She was a part of pro war plushenko show. She was a member of army club.

[@Rachel-rs7jn]

I'm fine with Russians coming back as neutral athletes, as long as they are judged accurately and are doping-free.

[@Rachel-rs7jn]

@@Loren123ful Which is the case so.....great.

[@Rachel-rs7jn]

@@Loren123ful Oh okay, why don't you just supply a list of all the American figure skaters who've whined about not winning and who have doped? I mean there must be a bunch of them according to you.

[@Rachel-rs7jn]

@@Loren123ful I knew that would be your answer. Whenever someone has absolutely no substance to their claim that's what they say. And btw I did google it. I googled "which American figure skaters whined about losing" and absolutely nothing came up. Nada. Not one article, video, or reddit thread. What did come up was an article about Valieva and Trusova. 🤷🏻‍♀Also, what about all the American dopers that supposedly exist? You didn't tell me to google that. I guess it's since you knew nothing would come up.

[@Rachel-rs7jn]

@@Loren123ful Honestly, if you want to troll, try a little harder. At least say something that's true. Like, criticize Ilia's PCS or point out that Isabeau isn't always called for edges.

[@Rachel-rs7jn]

@@Loren123ful I was specifically talking about figure skaters, which I made clear when I said "why don't you just supply a list of all the American figure skaters who've whined about not winning and who have doped?" I'm obviously not going to disagree about Armstrong but that has nothing to do with this conversation. Figure skating is the only sport I follow, and this is a *figure skating* video. So which American figure skaters whined about losing in 2002? (Also, if you have to go back over 20 years to find one example, I would not call that much of a case. If that's our criterion for labeling a country as "whiners" then every country will satisfy it.)

[@Bsssdgrl]

Thank you for doing this! I really enjoyed listening to both of you. Personally, I agree with most of your points. If Russians come back, the competitions will be way stronger. But they have to check every single one of them carefully and strictly. We don’t need doping scandals and pro war athletes. I hope ISU will go through this process responsibly

[@Patricia599]

but will that happen? And how will it happen? That's the problem. There is no way to catch the cheaters because they are always miles ahead. And they have had several years to perfect more doping techniques. Of that I am sure.

[@Bsssdgrl]

@@Patricia599 yeah I get what you’re saying. I hope wada has used these years wisely and developed better technologies to test athletes

[@figureskating3141]

this confusing document is just another way for ISU/IOC to get some bribe money. that's it. as for good skating, jnat's ladies' sp is really great, yet i couldn't stay focused watching russian ladies' sp right after jnats.

[@ametista6764]

To be honest it's just a nightmare all that's missing is a caliper to measure the length of the nose to meet the standards of the "great race" and to give striped uniform to neutral athletes. It's kind of humiliating. Noone athlete deserves to be discriminated. Such an attitude does not promote sporting principles and does not work for unification but on the contrary provides a field for separation and disruption of the main precepts of the Olympic Charter. Many commentators suggest that Elisabetta Tuktamysheva should go. but what about the sporting principle who won the internal qualifying tournament.All these discussions are about anything but not about sport.

[@Elena-e9i8u]

True!!!

[@vincentvandeneynde9820]

wait, does this mean Daniel Grassl won't be able to go to the olympics, since he missed those drug tests and therefore has an association with doping?

[@My-hat]

😊

[@sirena3470]

Aren't those rules for the admission of the Russians and Belarussians as neutral athletes? Why would they concern an Italian athlete?

[@vincentvandeneynde9820]

@@sirena3470 just wanted to make sure because additionally he was coached by Eteri for a breef period as well so idk

[@junglesuperstar9270]

@@sirena3470sounds like discrimination

[@sirena3470]

@@junglesuperstar9270 Well, it's Russian and Belarusian athletes who are sanctioned. These rules are specifically for their admission

[@emilynotrica9066]

I can’t wait to see which Russian’s ultimately get appointed to Olympic team.

[@ClarkJohnson-oq9ue]

I found a supporter of war criminals and state sponsorship of dopping

[@kamila7217]

Playing devil's advocate, Russia needs to be more worried about sending people with integrity more than medaling at the Olympics or they may never be back the way they want to. Liza is the spokesperson they need. Better for her to go and get top 5-8 than send an unknown jumping bean to win and cause more hard feelings.

[@znhurston]

Liza, 5-8? More like top 3. Mishin got Plushenko in shape to compete in Vancouver in one year and Plushenko had bad knees. I'm sure he could easily do the same for Liza who is in better shape and is far more disciplined. Or at least I hope so!

[@QQ-wl6yt]

This reads unintentionally revealing of an unspeakable reason from other federations to not want them back

[@sirena3470]

A podium placement is guaranteed for Liza. She can easily surpass Amber Glenn if she goes back to competition-level training for 6 months. Kaori started to lose her consistency too. The only ones that could be challenging rivals are South Korea's Jia Shin and Japan's Ami Nakai, who will turn senior next season

[@SergejKrolik]

How much you do not want Russian victory is pretty amusing.

[@loyalfan99]

What documentary was Maya in?

[@junglesuperstar9270]

I would assume Kostornaya docu.

[@juanantoniomoreno3409]

Lovely sweater!

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Thank you!

[@leraromanova118]

Дейв такой милый, обожаю, когда он говорит фразы на русском. Очень интересная беседа получилась, спасибо

[@eljj7968]

Omg Kaori, Liza, Amber (and Loena!) at the Olympics would be a dream come true!

[@QQ-wl6yt]

One of these (Loena) is not like the others

[@eljj7968]

@@QQ-wl6yt That's okay, I would still like to see her back. She definitely brings an energy that a lot of the younger skaters don't.

[@emilymclane5965]

Can we watch the Aleona kostornia documentary from the USA? How?

[@TheSkatingLesson]

We watched it on TSL Live.

[@3l3llala13]

I think B&S has more interesting programs after they switch to Eteri's team. M&G are talented but they're saddled with awful choreography and music from Tamara M; They always do the same thing in every program.

[@junglesuperstar9270]

😂😂😂😂 since when Jackson is an awful music .

[@junglesuperstar9270]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@flgirl9128]

Merry Christmas Maya and everyone 🎅 🎄

[@SophiaIce]

They should never participate under these humiliating conditions that violate the Olympic spirit.

[@d.trance6637]

Then USA can never ever partisipate in any future Olympics. (They started several Wars, 65 Regime changes, starting Korea, vietnam....Lybia and of corse ukraine)

[@ingrid4587]

You right -Z patriots should stay home

[@ingrid4587]

@@d.trance6637it’s not your call -Ivan :we 🇺🇸 will do it -do you need ruzzians war lists -also :remind me :when USA 🇺🇸 was up to territories ?and lastly :USA 🇺🇸 didn’t star war in Ukraine 🇺🇦-it’s all putin ruzzia -time to stop switching blames

[@shimarisu9472]

Esatto. Nessuno dovrebbe essere umiliato e discriminato. Questa è la regola principale dello sport!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@SergejKrolik]

The rule about association with skaters with open doping case was introduced in summer olympics for neutral russian athletes - with the same wording. So it's not specific rule against Tutberidze - i.e. there shouldn't be special intent to prevent her or her pupils from participating. That, and the rule particularily uses word "serving" - not "served" or "will be serving". Which can mean not association only when this athlete serving the punishment - not before it begins. Which is quite logical btw - because coincides with standart WADA rules. Else it would mean losing any sense in disqualification term as a notion - because it would lost it's temporal meaning. In that case it should be renamed to "banning for good" instead of "disqualification", right?

[@kfo2520]

Vadym kolesnik’s instagram post on this was pretty compelling.

[@Rachel-rs7jn]

For those of us not on Instagram, can you tell us what he said?

[@elnurhussein9025]

It has to be Adelia Petrosyan. Sorry to tell you in face that WITHOUT Eteri’s girl ladies’ event is just a JOKE. Deal with it and move on. Don’t even try to be smart 😆

[@junglesuperstar9270]

Gorbacheva and Muravieva were extremely interesting

[@DeserveGold]

You say that the russians are needed to have more viewers. Let's see how many people leave after this shameful decision.

[@ingrid4587]

Let’s see how many people will protest when they will announce them before taking ice

[@CarmenRosaMarisolZoila]

I stopped watching international figure skating since the russians were banned. There was no point. I keep waiting for january to see their national competition. Once i saw quad jumps.. i hardly care to see anything else

[@ingrid4587]

@ who cares :don’t watch

[@LimonMitZukerki]

@@ingrid4587 who cares - YOU don't watch. soon russians will be back to all competitions, it is inevitable

[@ingrid4587]

@ just say -when 😆

[@alexia-c2e]

PLEASEEE get Evgenia Medvedeva to the Skating Lesson!!!!

[@ingrid4587]

ruzzian bot joined 4 month ago :visit your local channels

[@CarmenRosaMarisolZoila]

GET TRUSOVA

[@ingrid4587]

@ go back to ruzzia

[@alexia-c2e]

@@ingrid4587 what?😂

[@alexia-c2e]

@@CarmenRosaMarisolZoila her too ofc

[@LisaAllyssa]

20:51 Russian Federation of FS is going to shoot themselves in the leg, again.

[@vasilisashakurova743]

Out of all top girls at this championship the only one who meets all criteria is Alina Gorbacheva. If she goes to the Olympic it will be insane. But iconic

[@Chariot00]

What is the ISU doing about their doping? Are we going to allow them skate unclean?

[@LisaAllyssa]

Banning Russian athletes from international competitions seems like an overly simplistic and counterproductive solution. It’s reminiscent of the misguided efforts to imprison Trump - both are actions that feel more about political theater than addressing real issues. The whole debate about ‘neutral status’ for Russian athletes only reinforces Putin’s narrative that Russia is unfairly isolated and victimized by the world.

[@ddjr6673]

Great as always very interesting - on another note Dave do you know there is a channel called ‘Figure Skating’ that is using your ‘This and That’ logo stills as its thumbnail which would get anyone who listens to your channel to click on it. The channel clearly I has nothing to do with this channel

[@ClarkJohnson-oq9ue]

It is alpine mountaineering

[@veronicapaz1159]

How, where to watch Korstornaia’s documentary? Thanks

[@Greyhounds-m3w]

Love Maya

[@66bayouboy]

Is the war over?

[@d.trance6637]

YES. Ukraine and the west lost on all counts. especially economically

[@DeserveGold]

@@d.trance6637 When will you move to the russia, Ivan?

[@ingrid4587]

@@d.trance6637economically 😂:how much is rupple now after oreshnik ?Define victory -Ivan

[@ingrid4587]

@@d.trance6637Ukraine 🇺🇦👊 got enough support through the end of 2025 from US 🇺🇸 ,not to mention NATO and EU -regardless what Trump will or will not do ,there are more then 300 billions putin money frozen -pumping % toward Ukraine 🇺🇦 👌-not to mention reparations to be taken from ruzzian oil/gas tariffs-but you can call it victory if you wish :you got more land that you demolished,as if 2/3 of ruzzia is in deep poverty as it is -without roads ,gas,electricity ,water and toilets are still outside -Ukraine 🇺🇦 is going West -and nothing you can do about it

[@tomdemay6147]

what does the war have to do with sports?

[@rodijomuller840]

It's good for competition to get the Russian figure skaters back .. Seen the doc with Aliona. Good. But no Eteri bean spilled yet. She has said more on Russian podcasts. Let's see what part 2 has in store.

[@Ppflows]

Maya is such an ICONIC journalist and just DIVA. Thank u for this ep!

[@vasilisashakurova743]

My Olympic dream team: Mishina/Galyamov, Khavronina/Narizhniy, Gorbacheva, Dikidzhi As much as I want Liza there, it’s just unrealistic

[@naomipaiss1651]

Hanyu was only a superstar in Japan, casual fans elsewhere don’t know him. Ilia is well known from videos. But the days of broad based audience for any sport outside football, basketball, hockey, American football are over. Narrowcasting is all that’s left.

[@LimonMitZukerki]

you are SO wrong about this:) Hanyu was a star everywhere where figure skating was at least nominally present

[@d.n.8919]

I agree. It’s unfortunate, but most people know nothing about figure skating

[@yohanes2034]

This cannot be more wrong lol. Figure skating is already a niche sport and unpopular but at least they have heard about Yuzuru Hanyu. My sisters who have never seen 1 full skating program knows that japan boy who retired. Lol

[@flywings111]

Casual fans know Yuzu from videos and articles as well - my friends also heard about him years ago and I'm from a small European country, not Japan or Asia. Fans from 33 different countries traveled to Japan and went to his shows 2 weeks ago so you are really wrong about him.

[@Sarah-e8e8o]

They should send Kostornaya as single skater😅

[@Ryusevi]

I really enjoy these conversations but DAVID let your conversation partner finish their sentences

[@sallyjean2250]

Maya is so smart and so articulate. Thank you, Dave and Maya. I found this really enlightening.

[@kittysk8s73]

Maya, you looked and sounded fabulous in the Kosto doc. Looking forward to part 2 !

[@joeyartk]

Dave wants a Russian that can't win. Lol

[@savanahbabyyyy]

Yes

[@sirena3470]

For Russia, gold medal in men's singles and ice dance is impossible whoever they send. For pairs, Russia can send even the most random pair that nobody has ever heard, and they will still win anyway 😅 The women's singles is a bit more tricky. Dave has a point about Petrosian. She seems like a safe option but this season was her peak, she will never get better than this and it's only downfall from here. Akatyeva seemed like a safe option too up until 2023, and now she is a hot mess. Just like what happened to Valieva, Khromykh, Usacheva, Kostornaia, Trusova, Shcherbakova, Zagitova, Medvedeva and Lipnitskaya. Team Tutberidze students are not able to win anything once they are past 18 years old, their bodies cannot handle harsh trainings and difficult jumps after that point

[@veragorchenina5123]

Tuktamicheva beautiful figure skating

[@miriam3848]

Is the war over??!

[@ingrid4587]

Just the opposite:while putin threatens world with nukes

[@d.trance6637]

Maya is the Best expert on earth

[@ingai7014]

Stop working your butt off -Ivan

[@suzfindsnyapts]

YES --LIZA IS THE PICK

[@Ruta3173]

About wars and doping, this is for America. Your gymnast Simona gorged herself on doping. Look at yourself first, and don't count on Russia's money. There won't even be a broadcast.

[@birgitangermair4483]

Dear Dave, if it was for me, it would be Eliza Tuktamysheva to be sent to Milano, BUT: As much as the audiences liked her, the judges hated her. I remember her doing clean 3A`s with a bracket entry where she got +1 GOE Maximum, where she should have gotten +3 at least. She was heavily critizised for her slow spins, her outfits and her lack of elegance. Even with a clean performance she got hardly ever more than low 8`s in skating skills. The russian federation knows this very well. So, I think that S. Muravieva or Petrosian will get the spot. BTW: I don`t think the russian federation will send a woman who is not able to jump at least a clean 3A or a Quad.

[@savanahbabyyyy]

Sofia Muravieva can't jump clean forget a 3A. She lost her 3A. They will never send her. They'd send Anna with no quad or 3A or Alina with 4S instead

[@savanahbabyyyy]

Petrosian won't get that spot even if she lands 5 quads. No one from Eteri or Plushenko can go based on what Maya and Dave said

[@sirena3470]

​@@savanahbabyyyyI don't think they would send Alina Gorbacheva, considering the scandal she got involved by running away from her allegedly abusive coach. Not a good PR move when the practices of Russian coaches are so heavily scrutinized. If they don't accept Tutberidze/Plushenko students, Anna Frolova seems to be the ideal candidate. She has been very consistent and successful in the past 2 seasons

[@Chastaken]

Liza's jumps were ugly, small, slow,... it didn't deserve more than she got. I have a lot of respect for her as an athlete but her scores were more than generous...

[@birgitangermair4483]

@@sirena3470 Yes, I agree - Anna Frolova would definitely be a good choice! - She is charming,she seems to have fun on the ice and she is consistent. And: At the age of 19, she is beyond the "Eteri Expiration date" and has the perfect age for a grown-up, mature skater.. I always liked her, Unfortunately, I was not able to follow competitions in russia as much as I would have liked to here in Austria, because it is very hard for me to get informations via youtube; it is the only channel that is available for me. It was easier some years ago, but since russia is banned there are hardly any clips of russian figure skating competitions on youtube.

[@5aito5]

This is 🍵 tea gurl

[@alexia-c2e]

If only you would stop interrupting your guests!

[@robamell4216]

get those drug tests ready

[@Rachel-rs7jn]

Yikes, usually you let Maya talk but this interview you kept interrupting her. I get it's your enthusiasm and passion for the issue, but it does make it hard to listen to.

[@TheSkatingLesson]

I was challenging her for a reason due to having a responsibility to the viewers.

[@Rachel-rs7jn]

@@TheSkatingLesson But you can still let her finish her sentences, then challenge her. I mean lawyers in court are challenging each other but they don't cut each other off. Half the time I didn't even know what she was about to say.

[@elisabethanderson7124]

@@Rachel-rs7jn Maya usually interrupts Dave all the time, so I don't think it bothered her if he did the same to her a few times.

[@Rachel-rs7jn]

@@elisabethanderson7124 Oh that could definitely be the case! I don't want to claim I'm speaking for her. I meant from my point of view as a viewer, I found it hard to listen to.

[@controllertatianaleewaytex2863]

Dave, wake up, Eteri wasn't connected to doping and you stated here Eteri was. I got impression that you got hots for her and you know she wouldn't talk to you anymore . All your statements about her sound like you messing with her.

[@sirena3470]

She had 2 students with doping violations: Kamila Valieva got a 4 year ban and Daniel Grassl got a 1 year ban

[@controllertatianaleewaytex2863]

But nowhere was proved Eteri involvement

[@NG-ue4th]

Well tbh I'm not so sure they'll make much of a difference in the ice dance/mens field...pairs, maybe, but of the neutrality was to be followed then that would take out Boikova (maybe even Galliamov idk I'm not sure), even though i actually do like the pairs. At this point I really see them only making a push for the ladies which I'm not a fan of because goddamn I was not a fan of Dani G' trash choreo and just the godawful jumping that they were passing off as 'revolutionary' sigh...eteri please get a decent choreographer, otherwise it's going to be such a torture...

[@controllertatianaleewaytex2863]

Dave, Bagranceva did misrepresented herself and she hided from you and your audience that she works for PRO GOVERNMENT channel Okko. However , she didn't hesitate to mock Russian coaches and skaters. Since her dishonesty , all her further negative statements about Russian coaches and some skaters should be taken as false

[@Maya_skating]

I am freelancing for many different media outlets. But none of them is pro-government. Okko is the official ISU broadcaster, Russian analogue of Peacock or Netflix (a smaller scale). No politics, no newsblocks, just movies and sport.

[@junglesuperstar9270]

Okko is a private channel . Literally opposite to the governmental ones which are channel 1 and match tv

[@controllertatianaleewaytex2863]

@@junglesuperstar9270 name of the corporation who purchased okko for Russia? That's would be the kea answer

[@Maya_skating]

Not anymore. Update your info. And yes. I would never freelance for channel 1 or Match.

[@junglesuperstar9270]

@ key.

[@ЕлиСтоилова-щ6ь]

😂

[@timw7256]

This interview was a train wreck

[@pg5470]

This is so disappointing on so many levels. I am truly disgusted. I refuse to watch russian fasicst and dopers ever again.

[@marinjelcic2691]

Vlad/ Adelia/ Boikova&Kozlovski/ don't follow ice dance 😂

[@d.trance6637]

adelia and boikova6kozlovski will win by far. Vlad has to fight against fellow russian Ilia Malinin

[@ingrid4587]

Ruzzian bots -what’s up :cage was open ?😂

[@junglesuperstar9270]

@@d.trance6637they can't beat Mishina Galiamov. And they almost lost to Khabibulina Kniazhuk

[@touche3225]

Honestly I don’t understand the outrage. What’s the harm in letting them participate in this way? This is a genuine question. Sure, they get a semi propaganda point in saying “Oh they need us” but given Russia’s current economic crisis and internal turbulence I doubt this would have a huge effect on the war especially with the decline of the sport’s popularity. It feels worth it so that some young skaters who aren’t extremely politically can still get a cater despite the choices of their countries leaders. It feels like a good compromise to me.

[@CarmenRosaMarisolZoila]

There is absolutely no harm. We love to see them back!! ❤️❤️ the backlash is fake. Real skating fans want to see the russian girls compete. They are the BAR in skating. Without their standard, where is the sport going?

[@DeserveGold]

@@CarmenRosaMarisolZoila Who are we? You personally. Many people do not want to see doping addicts and war propagandists anywhere.

[@Blanka1100]

@@CarmenRosaMarisolZoila Speak for yourself. There are more important things in life.