Asad Umar: The Way Forward, Hyperinflation Risks & Painful Reforms | 343 | TBT

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00:00 Introduction
01:50 Economic Overview
04:04 Current Account Deficit
06:18 Fiscal Deficit
10:34 IMF Program
15:47 Structural Problems
23:35 Charter of Economy?
26:55 Mass Joblessness
32:29 Structural Reforms
35:20 Energy Transformation & Wheeling
38:32 Natural Gas Pricing
42:09 Iran Pakistan India Pipeline
43:07 Youth Empowerment
44:47 Digital Economy
48:20 Government’s Economic Policy
51:08 Supporting Digital Payments
53:05 Role Creation
55:14 Economic Disparities
58:33 Innovative Finance
1:00:05 Sukkur Hyderabad Motorway
1:01:38 Project’s structure
1:03:24 Funding & Investments
1:05:24 Major Reforms & Radical Changes
1:09:49 Steps toward change
1:11:07 Real Estate Transactions
1:13:58 Hyperinflation risks
1:18:14 Hope for Pakistan
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[@king1pak]

‏ ‏‪میں اوورسیز پاکستاني ہوں، عمران خان نے مجھے اپنے ملک سے پیار اور محبت کرنا سکھایا ہے اور ہمارے اندر فخر ، ہمت ، وقار پیدا کیا ہے IK Zindabad💪🇵🇰🦅gg

[@Glashutte1900]

Fake accounts and fake propaganda copy pasted ..do some better job get some better comments as content to promote your terrorist leader

[@umarwaseem288]

Way above and beyond, perfect, and insightful conversation than what happens on so-called linear media TV channels. Muzamil, nothing can stop you from reaching the highest! Lots of prayers.

[@arroabdurrehman]

Iska new career start karnay k liye acha platform diya ap ne 👏👏 ab se ye media pe as a "economic analyst" aya karay ga.

[@najeebhamayun1372]

Thanks to the Pakistan army for giving us the opportunity to understand political engineering and economic crisis so closely.

[@kozmoz55]

Maza nahin Hai. Baat tau tab ho jab army also starts flying airplanes. Lol

[@Glashutte1900]

Why you are blaming our Great Pakistan military..Why are you the terrorist behind the attacks coming out and commenting with your fake accounts. Get lost of get ready.. you cannot hide behind the ip addresses for long

[@tabishiqbal7957]

😮

[@nobelcreature6201]

Thanks for inviting Aristotle, I was desperately waiting for his bluffs and blusters, which I had been missing for the last 5 years. P.S. That time (in 2017), I used to think that he is intellectually superior to most of the economic geniuses.

[@getmefriends2003]

That’s why he is still better than the most finance minister Pakistan ever had! Removing him was one of the biggest blunders of Imran Khan. Asad Umar is a genius and most importantly he is a true patriot - so whatever decisions he would have taken in his tenure, wholeheartedly would be for the benefit of the country rather than some personal benefits.

[@faautobahna9416]

@@getmefriends2003 he is a paper tiger. such so called leaders who can't take heat should stay away from kitchen. people will not be fooled again by this coward.

[@azzamhaq9556]

@@getmefriends2003 He should be called Ass- turtle instead of Aristotle.

[@bloodwargaming3662]

​@@getmefriends2003iam Indian , your finance ministers are a joke , this dude said this situation is man made and no natural disaster hit Pakistan . Ha Bhai ye itne floods ,COVID Mars me hua na ?😂

[@ismile87]

Asad Umer on Muzammil’s podcast, I couldn’t watch more than 2 minutes. If it was one month ago, it would have been one of the most important podcasts for me. Muzammil is my favorite and Asad Umer was a source of inspiration for me. I used to try not miss any of his 1:1 interviews / shows. But seems everything changed after press conference. No excitement, no feelings to see him today 😢

[@usamamian309]

Same!

[@razahnspeaks]

Same feelings.

[@faautobahna9416]

Asad Umar at best is a paper tiger. If he wants to do good for Pakistan now, he should restrict himself to safe college teaching or go back in business. I could not go beyond after 1st minute.

[@raiwasifjaved5401]

Education, education, and education is the only solution to all our problems. Through education one can understand his/her duties and rights otherwise we are witnessing what could happen.

[@wilddreams6301]

I think law and order is equally if not more important...if people don't have the fear of being accountable, they will not let this country be stable at all...the literal unwritten rule is if you are more powerful than the other person you can oppress them and get away with it all you want...!

[@khan2407]

it is a well-known fact that the causes of a country's economic issues are multifaceted and cannot be attributed to a single factor such as education or the lack thereof. It requires a detailed analysis of various factors such as political stability, corruption, economic policies, and external factors. It is, therefore, essential to have a comprehensive approach that involves all stakeholders to identify the root causes and work towards a sustainable solution.

[@wilddreams6301]

@@khan2407 Yess! You are right. There are probably a million problems with Pakistan and all those does contribute to this condition of our country...

[@raiwasifjaved5401]

Through education, people will understand the importance of all the factors that you both mentioned, e.g., political stability and rule of law and etc. Actually, these are the rights of people which they only demand when they are educated. Otherwise, people can be manipulated in various ways.

[@raiwasifjaved5401]

Totally agreed with Habib Khan that all problems are multi-facted, no doubt about that.

[@ImmadShahid]

A great insight into the Economy by Asad Umar, really loved to hear it, and got to learn more about the Economy. Full Marks to you Muzamil for holding this non-political educational discussion with Asad Umar Sahab

[@faautobahna9416]

Sahab Asad Umar is certainly. Please God never place him again in any job where he may face any pressure.

[@fahmad7194]

The generals have landed us in this mess. Only they can get us out by relenting their stranglehold on every aspect of life

[@ibratnak]

So you're saying Pakistanis are educated, productive, honest, realistic, efficient, hardworking, selfless, introspective, data-centric people?

[@fahmad7194]

@Ibrat I am saying Pakistanis could reach this potential only if the army relents its neck lock that Pakistan has been in since its inception

[@stangerdanger7252]

@@ibratnak Military's double game in Afghanistan has landed Pakistan into $150 Billion dollar lose, and 100,000 dead people. Just look at rallies of banned groups in Pakistan in support of Military all of a sudden. A group who believes in genocide of Shia Pakistan which are 20% of Pakistan, can be seen supporting military in their rallies, with military men near them. Why Military has eliminated them? why keep these groups alive, and pay them free money? Then look at the amount taken away by military in the form of budget, salaries, and pension. What is left for Pakistanis? How many schools, colleges or universities can be made with that peanuts? Pakistan has less than 300 universities, and someone expects big economy from that ? Then comes the real estate sector which doesn't pay any tax on 100 of Trillions of values, like zero tax, why ? Because military is the real-estate property dealer.

[@ibratnak]

​@@stangerdanger7252 So you're saying the progeny of Abdali, Ghaznavi, Khalji were victims in the entire war on terror? This is not your fault. The blind spot that shifts blame from the Afghans has been systematically created since partition. In 1948, General Akbar Afghan tarnished our relations with India forever, before killing Liaquat Ali. Ghulam Muhammad Afghan dismissed the government of Khawaja Nazimuddin without any reason and started a long chain of unfulfilled civilian mandates. General Ayub Afghan, who had killed Quaid, became martial law administrator and killed Fatima Jinnah. Then General Musa Afghan started Gibraltar in 1965. General Yahya Afghan was the chief architect of the fall of Dhaka in which General Gul Hassan Afghan massacred Bengalis. It was only in 1972 when we had started 3 wars with India, seen two martial laws and lost Bangladesh that Afghans were removed from top army positions. Fast forward to 9/11, Afghans killed 70000+ Pakistanis, but we blamed America for it. Then in 2010, an Afghan propagandist was launched into Pakistani politics, but we called him an Israeli agent. Today whenever a terrorist attack by Afghan Taliban takes place in Pakistan, Afghan parties start a rigorous campaign to malign the Pak army. Today, Afghans spread terrorism as TTP, racism as PTM, sectarianism as JUIF and anarchism as PTI. Our societies have been infiltrated by Afghan influences such as polio, misogyny, terrorism, illiteracy, overbreeding, corruption, drugs, insurgency, extortion, abduction and religious hypocrisy.

[@afeefsohail4869]

@@ibratnak bro who run the realeastate, cement, Fuji Foundation Bussniess they dont need educated, productive, honest, realistic, efficient, hardworking, selfless, introspective, data-centric people

[@callout9492]

Although our economy and country is in a royal mess, listening to Asad it’s reassuring to know there are sane voices and hopes of normalcy in governance.

[@maazawan7629]

This sane voice's rendition did culminate into a negative 0.4 economic development

[@farhanathar2256]

Asad umar types alone can't do anything, now we need to get that in our head. When awam is disloyal and so called 'Parhay likhay with degrees' try to black mail their own country, when In crisis, that they will leave the country etc and country hasn't given them anything. When this filth of a mindset prevail, it doesn't matter how positive or solution oriented, sophisticated type come in public and try to present positive picture, things will go from worse to worst. Disloyalty with country on awam level deserves the disaster which could take hold of any country. Without deep nationalism, there's no way forward. Awam needs to realize it for their own sake and for country's sake, raise young kids with Pakistaniyat (so if crisis arise they don't chicken out which is the case right now with millennial and gen z)and they become the force with which country can rise instead of them becoming deserters while carrying the spirit of individualism. (not saying positive hype, positivity of any sort isn't needed, Asad umar is in the league of his own but we need to be real and stop acting like without nationalism and with current mindset which our clueless youth posses we can move even an inch

[@khan2407]

A great conversation especially to understand the current situation of the country. I watched it twice to get complete clarity on the situation.

[@abdaljabbarhusayn610]

Dear Syed Muzamil, Lots of love from Manchester UK and best wishes. Keep going in your search for the truth as it is ultimately the truth that sets us free. Your expressions of despondency and fear are the correct emotions during these dark times. My father came to the UK in 1961 and we have nothing to be proud of back in my mother and fathers villages in Azad Kashmir. It makes for tragic reading despite sending money back home and lots of investment. The mindset has completely let two tribes down. They just want us to send money home, and it has become a bottomless pit. 60 years on, no education, the few that were, lived with a sense of self entitlement and just took and took and the uneducated are living in the hope of leaving Pakistan for a better life, but with no education, those dreams lie in tatters. So for me, the mindset and mentality need major reform throughout the land. Secondly, we need a complete and utter change of political leaders. We here in the UK lose Politicians to failure fairly quickly, but over there, Politicians despite failure seem desperate to cling on to power forever and ever. Its time for new people, fresh minds, different thought to run the country. Old school mentality needs to be wiped out. I think the country is heading for a default, bankruptcy, revolution, sobriety, new intellectual thinking and then progress. I doubt very much I will see it on my life time tragically, but wish the country well. Coming out of denial would be a great start. The country needs sobering up. I read today that even Shell have given up and are pulling out such is the demise.

[@riazhussain8074]

Bhai keep inviting such figures on your podcasts. You'll move the mountains

[@rkhan8375]

We need to educate our people by presenting a blue print of other economies and also we need to highlight more often the limiting factor so a lay man can understand these conversations.

[@ShabbirAliKanchwala]

Two of my favorite personalities. What an amazing podcast Muzammil. I see your pain in the questions. Asad Umar for once was not able to give that answer which you were looking for, but you know it.. he cannot. May be he did off-camera. Such are the times we are living in!

[@MegaApurv007]

Few months back this a grade chutiya muzamil hasan was saying that pakistani economic fundamentals are really strong.

[@ahmad-masroor]

the most english you speak during the podcast the more you push away those who dont understand english. thus they are not educated on economy. while the english speaking already is 1% of the population. you miss the 99%

[@ammarhaider36]

😅Ahn

[@Sheikhazeemsh]

Thank you for commenting in English the same 1% ko kuch nahi pata kya bola hai aap ne 😂

[@Sheikhazeemsh]

Jo sahi baat hai apke 90%yeh podcast dekhein gay bhee nahi hum 10% ko English se koi masla nahi 😅

[@Metalfreak327]

Jis ko samajnay ki talab hai woh raasta dhund le ga. Let's not pretend like English is a foreign language in Pakistan when every sign post and legal document is in English. If one doesn't speak English, and they have the motivation to learn in the CURRENT status quo; they're probably improving their English. I don't expect such podcasts to influence the uninitiated. Let's start drawing a line between who cares and who doesn't.

[@farhanathar2256]

@@Metalfreak327 this is a very silly mindset to have, there's no deep science in the fact that speaking common /national language will have more an impact /reach than an alien language (let's not pretend English language is widely understood here, we need to call spade a spade rather than acting privilege all the time which our youth has become accustomed of doing). Education should be done in national language which is spoken and understood through out the length and breadth of the country.

[@abubakarkhalid9649]

Pakistan needs serious economic reforms like India did in 1991. Make a mini silicon valley. There are a lot of talented technologists in Pakistan just like India. Equipt the youth with tech skills. Give cheaper cloud solutions etc. Teach them Java or Python or A.I Someone has to take the lead and think beyond party politics otherwise, the same beggarnomics will continue. Even China and Saudi Arabia are reluctant to give money anymore. Asad Umer, Miftah, Shahid Khaqan all saying the same things but who is finally going to implement?

[@user-uz2gj7nn7j]

Complete trip of turkey !!!!!!!!!!!!! kzbin.info/www/bejne/a2Kvgnl_qLmcbNk

[@MegaUali]

great idea, also get rid of tax on tech related jobs...i know its counter intuitive but that is what foreign companies would like and govt will make a lot more money on income tax and gdp growth will improve rupee's value when foreign companies bring $$.

[@MegaApurv007]

No, paki tech workers are not at the same league with India, the difference is of night and day. If you have any doubts in that google JEE advanced question paper which every good indian software engineer appears in to enter all the good engg colleges in India. Print that question paper, try it yourself and give it to the best graduates of your country and then see how many of your students are able to solve that then you'll now the difference is of night and day.

[@MegaApurv007]

All the problems of the pak stems from the fact that pak is not able to increase it's exports over the years, the problem is the dearth of paki competent technical talent in pakistan, one or two shining examples are exceptions to the norm. The mini silicon valley you're talking about doesn't grow in few years, Tata consultancy services made a joint venture with IBM in 1974 and started ops in bangalore, so the idea to make a silicon valley in pak, that ship has long sailed away. Now nothing much can be done pak is beyond repair, Pak is going to be remain bankrupt for a long time to come.

[@AsifKhanzada]

It’s always great to listen to Asad Umer, the host should have listened to him, instead he’s speaking more than Asad Umer

[@adnanshahidaziz]

Some great insight shared here. Unfortunately none of these suggested reforms were ever implemented when PTI was in power. This is my million dollar confusion. Why did we not see even the initation of such reforms in those 3.5 years? Its so sad that everybody knows how to bell the cat but no one actually wants to do it!!! Iss awaam ki takleef unfortunately kissi hakim ko nahi hai!

[@Blindlifepk]

Exactly

[@aishasaeed3631]

They tried their very best but unfortunately the same old hurdle ( military involvement) was the basic cause of that failure as PTI never had the simple majority to implement their own agenda of reforms. Hur tarf se LEG PULLING & BLACKMAIL shroo ho jati thi. Wese I wonder that why don't you have that depth of thinking in you to determine that yourself?

[@adnanshahidaziz]

@@aishasaeed3631 if the premise that you’re giving for PTI’s utter failure in governance stands true then that is more of reason for me and other bashaoor people of this nation to not give in to the blind cult following and the sheep mentality and not to hand them the reins ever again. If they fail to deliver irrespective of such hurdles (which by the way are and will forever be part and parcel of every government everywhere especially in Pakistan, you just have to work your way through it) then they should step away from politics and play cricket. Honestly speaking jo hakoomat apnay mulk ke capital mai SHOPPER (plastic bags) na permanently band karwa saki in the 3.5 years it was in government woh hakoomat kya khaak chalaye gi (this small example shows their utter majboori (incapability or I should say sheer incompetence) to do anything. I have zero expectations from the present political entities but with PTI, lots of expectations were attached by the poor and despondent people of this country which remained unfulfilled and hearts broken. I wonder why you don’t have that depth of thinking in you to determine that yourself.

[@luciferelijah7023]

I had fhe same question whem i last saw asad umer podcast and i reaearched on it . I found out many of these reforms were initiallized in the pti era tye IT exports increasing to 4.4 billion dollar anjually from 600 million happened bcz of the reform many more were started even laws were made but r still not implemented . They tried to make a reform in energy sector but ipps ne international court mai lejane ka kaha k electric ko bhi reform krhna chaha but wahan ppp stood by them . They tried to change rhe agriculture but wahan fojio ne nahi hone diaa thura research krhne and u will be ahocked rhr our dountry is corrupted to the vore

[@luciferelijah7023]

​@@adnanshahidaziz in u r so called deep thinking u have lost the bigger picture here talking about banning plastic shoppers how about handeling covid ehich the world acknowledged? . U need to understand that pakistanis havibg messiah mentalityy will never ever be capable enough to fight or change themselves and the assertion of the pti gov for people like us caused imran to lose his power . The investment in people training them was ( my own brother did a course for free ny the government which enabled him to earn atleast 1.5 lac pr month) pti was investing on people but unfortunately a country growing with a 6.1% growth rate was brought to hault bcz of the corrupt elite mafia also known as pak army

[@AsadKhan-ep4eq]

Insightful analysis of the political economy. The challenge would be to get more people like Asad Omer on the show who don’t harbour a bias. The show could’ve been contained to 45 minutes max to retain listener’s interest. Maybe also expand the scope to include sociopolitical issues as well

[@joefrancis1410]

Loved your hour long show with Mr Asad Umar. We do have very smart and visionaries in Pakistan. With their help Pakistan will come through OK Cheers!

[@shawngoesonn]

Oh goshhh, only if i had a penny for every time Muzamil says "yeah That TOTALLY makes sense "

[@sohailsethar]

Asad Umer Shab suggested creating competition, which is a great idea - let's take PTCL as an example. There was a time when obtaining a PTCL landline number required reaching out to high-profile individuals or ministers, but with PTCL's privatization, competition emerged among businesses -- Observe PTCL's journey from being a public entity to its current status as a private entity. Privatizing the entire energy sector will create competition, resulting in better services. Satisfied consumers will enhance Pakistan's reputation, attracting more investors. This is a significant development for both the young generation in Pakistan and those abroad, encouraging them to stay connected with Pakistan. Moral: Privatization ensures better services, happy consumers, and a positive message for Pakistan, leading to ongoing economic improvement.

[@aamirmehmood2071]

one of the best interview I heard in a long time, you have done great a job Muzzamal Hassan

[@zahranaz7005]

Muzzammil you tried to get something out of Asad Umar sahab's mouth and he's such a shrewd and intelligent person, he didn't. Kudos both of you! I'm happy people like Asad Umar sahab still re with us in Pakistan. Nobody can stop such heads to barge in and rectify the mess that the foolish sarkar is creating.

[@ak99-to1gz]

It's sickening to see the conversation in Pakistan is about getting the money from some one. Podcast like this are breather that there are ppl in country who want to do better. Poor & Middle class would be fine with the tough pill since they are used to, its just the elite who would be cry babies since their renting economy would crash. Thanks Asad Umar for sharing your knowledge.

[@m.waheedanwar7105]

They are not fine I am seeing them from my own eyes pushing them beyond the poverty line and trust me that's the last line anybody wants to see themselves in we have to do something otherwise we are liable on day of Judgment why we did not took a stand for them for us

[@ak99-to1gz]

@@m.waheedanwar7105 that is what am saying, they are already so down that tough pill wouldn't be significantly more trouble for them. Personal experience from 80s India. 1991 helped my family. Same trajectory change happens to you brother.

[@javed.756]

Yeh woh saheb hein jo apni hakumat k hotey huey economy ko nahi sanbhal saky

[@amanarif9306]

Unfortunately, our elites will never let the economic reforms happen because it will directly impact their wealth,and that is the choas of our country here elites want to he more rich,but don,t want to see the country rich.....

[@Yankee7000]

This man is SINGULARLY responsible for the economic struggles that PTI faced in the beginning. Totally UNQUALIFIED for the job as Finance Minister. He convinced Imran that he was. Completely found out in his first meeting with the World Bank Chief LaGarde. Imran corrected his mistake but gave his opponents including Bajwa the excuse that he did not have the team to run the country. His importance is self exaggerated. He was eventually put where he is good at: running a project such as the COVID management. An MBA is not an economist by any stretch.

[@nomanalirajput]

dear he was the first bali that imran gave to bajwa when bajwa pressurized imran that we need these supplies for that army would need usd. kindly wrap up this imf drama. and this is our new stooge make him finance minister.

[@faautobahna9416]

Plus it's proven now that he can't take any heat. Suited for safe office jobs or as a teaching business / economy in schools.

[@markhor5372]

Asad Umar, please go back to PTI. Once you delivered a lecture in GIKI when you first time became MNA; I was also there in that lecture as a student. I was quite impressed with your intellect. You should be in PTI and please go back in PTI.

[@Glashutte1900]

PTI is now Pakistan terrorist institute...all followers will soon be in jail with their leader..the donkey king

[@tariqehsan7876]

Most important point " Invest in teaching youth Digital skills"

[@Eagle-eyed978]

Asad Omer really disappointed by leaving PTI. He should have stood by PTI and Imran khan. Such a shame...

[@sherryahmed5483]

Let’s have a free and fair election that’s the only way to get out of this mess

[@zmnali78]

its a dream

[@m.waheedanwar7105]

Just commenting so it reaches further our youth needs to see this we will wait but we will not InshAllah stop until we correct the mess of our previous generation and make a better one for our coming ones. Pakistan Zindabad

[@zehraahmed5380]

Good podcast Muzammil! I like how this was not polarising and political. Asad Umer is a sane and trustworthy voice. P.s woulnt it be better if you speak in Urdu so that more and more people can benefit from these conversations?

[@ghaziausaf]

Yo you gotta do subtitles in English. We're in 2023 and you are on a global platform.

[@Arrow-gk7hg]

Asad Umar is a '''''smart boy '''' and will sideline himself from the ''''' current turmoil'''' in Plotistan and will try and survive to live for another day .

[@syednaeemali6929]

I believe this is the time when Asad Umer is Completely ready to take up the responsibility as Our Finance Minister. unfortunately, things are not in our (Pakistan) favor. he must deserve a chance in Policy Making & Planning and IT Ministry.

[@faautobahna9416]

The only place ready for Asad Umar is a safe college lectureship where he will not have to dread any pressure.

[@Glashutte1900]

Ha ha ha you must be joking someone's who had almost four years of absolute power and control couldn't do a ShiXx now you want him again. Undoubtedly we are a nation of donkeys and deserve the donkey King as Imran Khan to destroy us from within

[@FawadMasud]

You have Asad Umar and cannot ask him Pre and Post 9th May situation make this podcast not very well.

[@sherdilkhan4188]

Bro your talk time is more than Asad Umer, and you were interviewing him!

[@nav021298]

PTI chairman zindabad!

[@sali11629]

When it mattered most, he deserted his leader and fled the battle. Rather than giving lectures on the economy and attempting to position himself as "the sane man in the room", I advise him to learn some lessons on bravery and courage from patriots like Aliya Hamza, Murad Saeed, and Ali Muhammad Khan

[@Glashutte1900]

Lanat on your Donkey king Imran Khan who have destroyed this nation with a great design..he and the terrorist like you should be in Prison now

[@MSAHRS]

Pakistan need more people like Asad Umar, he is really a mentor and genuine person I believe

[@faautobahna9416]

a kaghazi sher he is.

[@talhaghauri]

Two elites talking about elites was my favorite part 😂

[@aizazg7785]

u surely don't know the meaning of elite! Elite is people like nawaz sharif, jahangir tareen etc... the podcaster isn't nearly elite

[@talhaghauri]

@@aizazg7785 podcaster was my classfellow 😊

[@shabbirahmed2191]

@@aizazg7785 and imran

[@bilalbaig8586]

@@talhaghauri Anybody who becomes a Minister automatically becomes an elite even if he was not before. All societies are run by elites.

[@Anony479]

You want to start your own blog mr non-elite? Critique for the sake of critique is a waste of time.

[@shahryaraly]

with all lil knowledge as a Pakistani citizen, i can say that in Pakistan there is not one but two state banks(central), 1st is for B***Y civilians which is out of cash(PKR) & 2nd is for our brave generals which is full of cash(USD), this is the right time to use those reserves and save Pakistan from drowning economy & inflation.

[@shahzadriaz5947]

Good to see him

[@naushadjamil1288]

Sir he doesn't know anything about the economy at his time he was also the culprit of this situation

[@sananography]

He was not stop believing that a miracle will happen his reforms were one of the best. Economic recovery would be extremely painful

[@jawadalikhan1215]

Is waqat jo situation ha us ki responsible srf pdm or un ko lane wale han

[@user-cr5nz8op7w]

@@sananography he thinks the solution of economy will be someone who will dig somewhere and will find gold, dollars and Pakistan will be saved lol

[@Pervez6946]

Only lectures can't do enough. When he was the finance minister, the economy was down to its knees. How can an employee of a fertiliser been able to run country's economy?

[@taimurmalik2792]

This was a fantastic interview. Thanks as always, Muzammil. What these deep dive interviews with Asad and Taimur Jhaghra reveal is that the myth and lies concocted by Pakistan’s ancien regime (and IK hating media) such as Dawn (Pawn?!) had no basis at all. After the worst IMF program in Pakistan’s history, and inheriting an economy in tatters the PTI really was moving the country towards major reforms and achieved a decent amount for such a short stint (rudely disrupted by COVID), and despite having such a shaky coalition government. Without a deeply reformed techno-democracy Pakistan is doomed, and the revenge of Thermidor (the month of the French Revolution when the ancien regime struck back against the revolution) has entirely decimated this country!! Please invite Haroon Sharif and the former head of the CPEC authority, Khalid Masood to your show as well.

[@waqashassan8245]

can't believe they sacked Asad bro. he could have been a great Finance minister.

[@ibratnak]

If we prevent black money from entering the real estate economy, it will end up elsewhere, inevitably in a rent-seeking industry. How do we create incentives that ensure black money ends up in export-oriented industries such as BPO and startups? How do we funnel rent-seeking behavior into IT exports?

[@uzairakram6074]

Very good question 👍🏼

[@tanzeelahmad7423]

hmm.. incentivize black money into IT exports...🤔 nice suggestion.

[@ibratnak]

@@tanzeelahmad7423 It was more of a question than a suggestion. How do we make foreign IT Projects a locally tradable asset? Incentives are already there for IT exports, but we're still not seeing significant growth.

[@reez1728]

​@@ibratnak Why worry about exporting IT when we are exporting international Jihad through the many hate groups that we fund and sustain. Surely they'll trigger another war which would allow another inflow of dollars like 80s Afghan Jihad and the whole war on terror sham.

[@mubasharrashid1201]

You saved my 100 minutes by saying that "You can close if you are expecting sayasat related things"

[@SaraAli-pu7vj]

We LOVE you Asad Umar, Sahib. Thank you for standing with IK. #IstandwithKhan

[@HamzaFayyaz5]

He's not with IK

[@SaraAli-pu7vj]

@@HamzaFayyaz5 I think he is.... He is just very clever about it.

[@raheelkhan7243]

He is a coward mf

[@MrLeeJunFan1]

Hope for the best. InshaAllah all will be well one day 🤲🏼

[@faizahmed6068]

Asad Umar came to Dubai to give you an interview? Well done!

[@umerjaved6315]

The best thing about this podcast is that host has done great homework and prepared himself so well that he is bringing out best from asad umer's experience. Well done !!! The sad part is that the theories which he is telling he had to explain all these to inter pass bureaucrats and stubborn establishment due to which obviously he couldn't deliver. Another good part is that he praised his opponent party's finance minister three or four times because he know he was good in his job but was operated by a stupid leader.

[@Tmaxar]

Your microphone position always blocks the face of the host and the guest. If you keep it a bit on the side, it won't affect the sound quality but certainly improve the video.

[@zahranaz7005]

'Simply the money which is going in, you have to be able to answer for that yar' the perfect solution Asad Umar sahab presented.

[@adnanabbasi9482]

History will always remember him as an "Inflated Balloon" of PTI "TEAM FINANCE HEAD & MIND", just flattened within 6 months of PTI's government and shamefully overthrown by Imran Khan, while he don't know about it. Several days took him back after a long silence and start doing the job of Imran Khan on the same wages. Baba, in logoan ko Economy par mut bulaya karo, yeh Economist nahi hayn. They are FLUKE

[@Glashutte1900]

Wisely described

[@maazawan7629]

Intellectual dishonesty at its finest from Mr Asad Umar

[@aslamtj]

Excellent! First time had opportunity of listening to highly intellectual gems

[@shahzaibbaig6202]

Imran Khan best PM of Pakistan Pakistan zindabad

[@shansyed9301]

Give youth laptops, short IT courses, short soft skills courses, high speed internet, tax free international income option and see them grow their wings. In this era, if you are less than 30 yo and not studying IT or CS then you are wasting yourself as well as your country’s future. I am v sad to see the disappointment written at Muzamal’s face. He even stopped asking his last question about Pakistan future in 2050. Cheer up mate.

[@Abdul.50]

Sir ap Hamara dil hain please imran khan ko nahi chorna....

[@faautobahna9416]

He has already left Imran Khan.

[@Glashutte1900]

Tere Imran Khan Donkey king ko Milne ab tu bhi jail me Jana ..ha ha ha

[@faisalm1988]

I wish Asad, Miftah etc could bring these ideas to their own parties also. Real estate transactions lesson has been given by everyone, but no one actually follows it. Every single government has made this worse with PTI eventually doing a free for all on their last amnesty scheme. A talented person and I hope to see him involved in governance instead of hate politics. Small critique for Muzammil. You need to bring more divergent thoughts to the show.

[@mylord3003]

When Darr is there, why dar?

[@abdulrehman-zu8ez]

Enabling youth toward digital economy is the key🙌🏻

[@waqasbukharis]

Idea of calling asad umar as economist is a pleasant idea. Tired of hearing fouj and politicians relationships.

[@nav021298]

Always positive and smiling, MashAllah

[@phenomenology101]

Even after announcing this is not political, Muzammil went from PDM to PTI. Talk economy please

[@je2685]

The only hope & true leader the Legend Imran Khan is trying to help save Pakistan from the evil crooked regime of PDM , it is bestowed upon all Pakistani's to stand with Imran Khan in this fight & protect Pakistan's economy & failing democracy . Long Live Our Hero Imran Khan , Long Live our Nuclear Strong Nation Pakistan .

[@itsbilalahmed]

First time I've heard someone talk about structural reforms in such detail. Like what a structural reform actually is.

[@naureenghafoor1917]

Much needed interview for many reasons

[@Hatchetman247]

I’m sorry but 75 year old sisters showed more courage & loyalty then you Asad

[@silentlatif]

Hi! I watched only your IK's podcast (IK in Red Tees)😂. Didn't know you guys have been doing such an interesting, brain titilating podcast. With IK, I thought you were an FM Radio😅. I am sorry to say, but its your prerogative to get to your Target Audience quickly. Well I am an Indian author & quite interested in Pakistan. One correction on a very good research that you did on Dr. Manmohan Singh's bringing Liberalisation/De-licensing to the Indian Economy in 1991, hence his getting to becoming the PM as a result thereof: I think his becoming the PM was because of him being a pliant loyalist who deserved the post due to merit. So far one of the best ( among the 2-3/ all so far) Fin Min & PM of India. Thanks, I am looking forward to more of your pofcasts.

[@ahmadtariq4042]

Muzammil Sir please do invite @Wildlens by Abrar. He is in Pakistan now.

[@ehtisham.1878]

Looks like the best political economy discussions on Pakistan are on this channel

[@akhtar262]

اب انکو سننے کا دل ہی نہیں کرتا۔ مشکل وقت میں چھوڑ گیا ہے

[@kyadav4640]

ISI NDMA ASF FC RANGERS NHM WAPDA KPT ANF FWO CAA PIA CPEC NCOC ....All such dept in India are headed by civilians since 1947. Good luck😊

[@muddassirahmedkhan5947]

Very nice. Asad Umer is a nice person and can provide good solutions even in hard scenrios like that prevailing now a days

[@faautobahna9416]

he is a scared cat at best. economics you can learn better from a college lecturer.

[@sallysally58]

It is a big surprise that the experts are not Highlighting the disastrous failure of Central Bank which is the major cause of economic crisis. Salim Reza should speak openly about the criminal failure of incompetent and corrupt central bankers such as group to which Mr. JAMEEL Ahmed and INAYAT belong to.

[@foolingothersfoolingothers]

Build infrastructure(straight motorways,highways to be connected to Karachi from all over Pakistan), Make these people(doctors,engineer) rich through incentive,no tax,loans etc. Instead of increasing salary, decrease cost of production of goods.See your economy boom.

[@ghulam937]

Bhai you talk more than guest and give your own point of views whereas you should be neutral and restrict yourself on only simple questions. Let the guest talk

[@rawalpindiupdates]

The way forward Cut Army size to only few thousand active personals on border may be 50k maximum. Make 6 months military training mandatory for youth. Take back land from feudal Lords. Forget about so-called Kashmir issue. Where other 200+ million Muslims are living in India, Kashmiris should now live as their party. Normalize ties with Israel. Open business with India and Israel. We need to learn a lot from them. Dismantle all secret agencies and create one civil agency led by all civilians. Nationalize all Military owned businesses. No body should be allowed to keep dual nationality. No ex-Govt or Military personal above 17th grade should be allowed to send their children abroad for studies.

[@codezero5382]

He and his party is real culprit of this calamity

[@mayankjaiswal3738]

Muzamil, another good one. Try to bring Miftah ismail/ shabbar zaidi

[@talha9076]

Great idea!

[@kozmoz55]

Pti did not lose asad umer. Pakistan lost a progressive mind. Thank you hafiz and haaji saab

[@Glashutte1900]

Hafiz sahib will soon be coming in your dream as well .. get ready all of you traitors have Crossed out redline by attacking our pride and honor our great military. So keep on barking till you have more time in hide

[@muhammadharoon5836]

Now he is becoming but when he was assigned the role of finance ministry he resigned now he is becoming an expert.

[@faautobahna9416]

He was fired by Imran Khan.

[@osamasameer3221]

He is a credit to this country and pti

[@hijab2412]

Glad to see Asad Umar here....will always b his fan

[@mahralikhan2582]

This is for the new government that comes in: - De-escalate political temperatures and exit election mode asap. - Sit with the opposition to reach a consensus on the economy, rule of law and peace on the political front till the next elections. - Focus should be on delivery and not on political optics/gimmicks. - Ensure the rule of law so that the public revives its confidence in the system and make sure no political opponent is targeted unnecessarily. - Prioritize and present political/economic/security issues in parliament for debates/consensus. - Work with field experts to refine the solutions provided by parliament, to get a realistic execution plan. - Involve the private sector/media in this process to scrutinize the plan and to keep a check on whether it's being executed properly. - Reform/restructure gov institutions/bureaucracy by the plan and bring in the right people for the job, ensuring merit. - Lastly, do not hesitate to do what's needed to execute the plan in letter and spirit.

[@reez1728]

None of this can happen until all the generals are tried, convicted and executed for their crimes against the state of Pakistan.

[@tgfawad100]

Aristotle and aflatoon are discussing economy

[@ambiguousguy]

Just to refresh the memory this guy was the first one to be kicked out of finance ministry for incompetence by PTI.

[@kyadav4640]

Not PTI...it was IMF for speaking too much container English without any meaning 😊

[@hamnalodhi8946]

Land reforms missing in entire National fabric - social economic cultural political military aspects all crippled because of it

[@yasirkhalid01]

How about requiring real-estate transactions to be done using CBDC, and baking in taxation into the conversion rate?

[@Playlist-td3rd]

Ye achi batein hum 15 saal se sun rhe hain. There's no solution to this land. Pakistan se zinda bhag! Laanat is riyasat pe.

[@umerjaved6315]

Muzammil i think one question was left, and it was that if asad has so many solutions then y he couldn't deliver? And i know his answer as he was so cautious while he was giving answers related to politics. but any how we could've got the answer that who is behind this current financial situation of pakistan

[@user-zl4wx7cg7t]

Yes Si,r your are right.

[@muteebahmad4953]

He is part of the elite, that you are referring to.😏

[@GeneralWarlord007]

Bro tameez se, you don’t want to have a cbdc in Pakistan. US and EU are resisting and E-Naira is a drama adoption wise. Other than this, loved this conversation. Thanks for making this possible.

[@Hamza-ez1my]

Seems tho Muzamil is weirdly obsessed with CBDCs and tracking citizens spending

[@GeneralWarlord007]

@@Hamza-ez1my it looks like that indeed. Symptoms of a person not aware of the blessing the country has right now. Most want this tech to increase the nations tax base but what good having new tech bring when the treasury has a massive leak in it and most of the laws decided by people with special interests.

[@ibrahim.allahwala]

Structural changes system changes Moral changes Political changes Islamic changes Institutional changes Army changes . Sadly, everything needs to be changed in our country.

[@salmanfarooq7784]

if you are morally corrupt, nothing will work